Matt Christman and Will Menaker list Good Movies with Bad Politics on Movies That Made Me
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Will Menaker and Matt Christman of Chapo Trap House run us through their favorite movies that are great in spite of their terrible politics. [Note: Game of Thrones season 8 spoilers occur at 46:30.] - Komedie
A regressive film with fairly good politics is the original Rambo. The entire point of the movie is that Rambo was used by his country and then discarded like a used condom. The violence had a reason: Rambo had PTSD and instead of getting treated, he had to struggle to live and was treated with contempt by the law. The sequels took an original premise and turned it into brainless action movies.
In the original movie, this is somewhat deflated by him just having an outburst and yelling “they didn’t let us win!” Particularly a let down considering the book was pretty consistent about having good politics in this regard
Nope, it sucks. It uncritically pushes the myth of protesters spitting on veterans (literally no proof it ever happened at all) and overall portrays American soldiers as the reaL vICtIms of the war, not the innocent Vietnamese who had their country invaded.
An amusing parallel to this would be the Ben Shapiro segment where he tries to decode how actually a lot of movies have conservative messages. Including any film where characters struggle and overcome adversity, because that is a conservative value according to Ben.
Most Hollywood films err to a fairly bog standard conservative message in order to be commercially viable.
Agree with you in theory, but few things strike me as less amusing than watching Ben Shapiro trying to decode anything.
@@user-yc4dc2fs5n What about Shapiro pontificating about synthesized dolphin pussy juice that you can just buy at a grocery store?
Ben is too stupid to do anything nearly that advanced. That he doesn't drown during thunderstorms is already a miracle.
Sam Rami's Spider-Man would be one of Ben's favorite movies, although he does knock some points off for the "blatant trans and woke propaganda."
Deathwish 3 oddly enough was the first film I thought for this.
40:05 "Red Dawn" seems to take inspiration from a forgotten US-made WWII-era film "The North Star" (1943), which is about Soviet Ukrainian teenagers becoming partisans against the Nazi invaders in 1941. Both movies have elements of humanization of the enemy, most of the teenagers end up dead, etc. Milius had to have known about the film, he strikes me as very knowledgeable about Hollywood films.
I think Red Dawn is actually a lot more subversive than it gets credit for.
Cop (1988)
James Woods starring in an adaptation of a James Ellroy novel. Great ending.
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So great you got a couple Chapo boys on the show! Been enjoying their peripheral movie takes for a long time.
Oh wow didn't realize this was you, Josh Olson. "AHOV" etc. Kudos. These Chapo guys (obviously I am older) know far more about movies than their peers. Why? They bother to watch.
Men in Black=hilarious, charming, heartwarming, feel-good copoganda
1:00:29 Incredibly predictive observation, Dallas Sonnier (the producer cited) is now a major figure in the Daily Wire's media department and produced "What is a Woman?" and "Lady Ballers".
27:10 "Death Wish III" was shot in a condemned part of London, UK doubling as NYC. The "purse" Will is talking about is a 35mm SLR camera case, the gun used to kill The Giggler is an AutoMag 160 .357 automatic pistol, a quirky gun for people who like hand loading their own ammo from modified .44 cartridges because they never made enough AutoMags to build demand for rimless pistol-sized .357 bullets. Why it was used in the film is beyond me (it's flashy-looking?)
U rly know ur “Death Wish III “
@@Fucyallfr It's a train-wreck of a movie, and I didn't even mention all the set ugliness Marina Sirtis suffered through as a minor character. (Jay Bauman brought that up in a RedLetterMedia video.)
@@MrJohndoakes interesting. Ur ability to recall that info is pretty cool.
Gotta rewatch Gremlins 2 sometime. GOATed movie
I never realized how meta Gremlins 2 is, like a self aware rose.
I gotta think Chris listens to You Must Remember This and the logo is a reference
Warren Oates surpasses every role he plays.
Always loved the early Dirty Harry Movies and a lot of Clint Eastwood's work from the 70's and 80's. A lot of good movies with sus politics right there.
The point of the racist joke in Chinatown is to show that Jack Nicholson's character is crass. (It was made in the mid 70s not the 50s, people were a little more sophisticated than this person thinks.)
And the puking in Ace Ventura is a reference to "The Crying Game" Im pretty sure. Doesn't change much in this case, but I'm disappointed neither the original conservative writer nor Matt and Will realized these things
"And the puking in Ace Ventura is a reference to "The Crying Game" I'm pretty sure."
It is, the reference is getting forgotten because nobody talks about "The Crying Game" much, because the reveal feels like a gimmick lost to 1992.
I looked at the CZcams comments under what was described as one of the best movie ending ever - that of Scary Movie - and saw an awful lot of people who had no idea that was a reference to Usual Suspects😂
How ever will you sleep at night
The Matrix - It isn't even a question of sides, the movie in itself is just a call to completely giver yourself to paranoia and social alienation. Your friends, your family, the people on the streets are all Agents, the only thing you can trust is the weird cult of weirdos on the internet. This movie is to be forever championed by fringe weirdos.
You've Got Mail - I don't know how people can ignore the ominous discourse about fascism on the background through a big chunk of the movie. Such a weird movie, but it does have a hypnotic quality to it.
The Nolan Batman movies
The Departed - maaan, that completely gratuitous opening monologue.
And My Own very personal opinion:
The Misfits - What's the problem with eating the damn horses. Goddamit?! Horse meat is good for you.
"They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" was made before "Network" and is better. Simple story but bites harder. And it's on CZcams for Free
Great film
54:29 the weirdest take on Old Guy Modern Action is the recent sequel to Police Story, because its Jackie Chan doing a stoic muttering Liam Taken performance. Of course, more interesting in this, the 'existential threat' isnt "Taken" nativist birth replacement paranoia, but Western pop culture as signified by gay fashion, club music and drugs
Argo i feel like fits the criteria (minus the 5 minute vanity shot of affleck flexing in the mirror for no fucking reason lol)
I re-watched Stripes many years ago, having remembered it being funny. It did feel super lazy, and the idea that any of these people were young enough to be recruited into the Army was silly, as well as the idea that none of them agreed to get a buzz cut. Literally none of them looked like they could possibly have ever been in the military. I realize it was a screwball comedy, but man, everything about it takes you right out of the premise…which might be forgivable if it was genuinely as good as its cast and it's just a dud.
At 1:03:40 "Powerball"? Does he mean Rollerball?
Haven't watched yet. But the title is already good!
Are they hanging out with Mike Enoch? They were right about Bernie Bros!
This made me watch Red Dawn for the first time... And now i have to be embarrassed as a socialist saying that it's one of my favorite 80s action movies.😂
I absolutely love all Hollywood 80s action movies - even though as a leftist you might think I wouldn’t.
One of my fav right wing movies is the first remake of invasion of the body snatchers from the 70s. I also like the 90s version just called body snatchers which takes place on a military base.
Wait, since when is the 78 version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers right wing? I see it as a critique of materialism, boomer malaise and disillusionment, obsession with the self via Nimoy’s vapid self help guru, and a post Watergate view of the government as an evil force conditioning society.
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William Hurt was only in A History of Violence for about five minutes, but he shouldn't have gotten a nomination and not just because his Philly accent sucked. Ed Harris was a billion times better and got no love at all.
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