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  • @LovellTrin
    @LovellTrin  Před 5 měsíci +80

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  • @ladygaygay94
    @ladygaygay94 Před 5 měsíci +4558

    It’s wild how Snow thought running through the forest YELLING AND WIELDING A WEAPON was the appropriate way to get Lucy Gray to talk to him lol

    • @aetosia6490
      @aetosia6490 Před 5 měsíci +250

      He did not want to talk to her he wanted to kill her 😭

    • @toxic.velvet
      @toxic.velvet Před 5 měsíci +313

      @@aetosia6490He did wanna talk to her, at least initially. In the book, his narration states that he only wanted to speak to her and “make her see sense”. Even after the snake bite, he aimed his gun and shot at the Mockingjays, not her. The way I see it, he was delusional enough to think that he could’ve convinced Lucy Gray to stick around, despite the fact that she had already made it clear beforehand that she has no space in her life for people who betray her trust

    • @emilycamille7254
      @emilycamille7254 Před 5 měsíci +203

      @@toxic.velvetI read the book too and he definitely was going to kill her. All he could think about in the cabin is her showing up and ruining his perfect life. Plus when he thought he shot her he was happy about it. If he really just wanted to talk he wouldn’t have brought a gun or been happy about hitting her with a bullet and leaving her to die. He was only telling himself he wanted to talk with her to convince himself he’s not a murderous narcissist like he did every time he killed

    • @aetosia6490
      @aetosia6490 Před 5 měsíci +31

      @@emilycamille7254 thanks for saying this cuz I was so confused reading that reply. I figured my memory must have short circuited but I guess not

    • @toxic.velvet
      @toxic.velvet Před 5 měsíci

      @@emilycamille7254 @aetosia6490 I think y’all need to go back and reread my comment. I said he only wanted to talk to her INITIALLY. Yes, he did eventually delight in the possibility that he might’ve accidentally shot and killed her. But killing her was not his primary goal when he first went out to start looking for her. We all interpret things differently and that’s what I remember thinking when I read the book last year

  • @abigailcanales
    @abigailcanales Před 5 měsíci +1204

    Tigris calling him Coriolanus instead of Coryo, and telling him he looked just like his father got me chills. That’s the exact moment she knew he was not the same…

  • @ahmeehan
    @ahmeehan Před 5 měsíci +1763

    tbh i think tom being casted and so attractive speaks to the fact that snow probably used his attractiveness as a way to gain power

    • @paddyq3235
      @paddyq3235 Před 5 měsíci +287

      Thats literally something the book touches on too. He knows he's attractive and uses it.

    • @Recyclable89
      @Recyclable89 Před 5 měsíci

      @@paddyq3235yes! Thank you

    • @marim8494
      @marim8494 Před 5 měsíci +29

      That makes sense. I think the media literacy when it comes to that choice is extremely poor though😅My stomach turns fr LMAO

    • @UnBesoDeCristal
      @UnBesoDeCristal Před 5 měsíci +65

      + whiteness. is a very prominent theme in the franchise, despite largely moving on from modern and original racial systems, it is a colonial society evolved upon ours, and considering he tends to think of the districters, specially those from the lower ones who were explicitly our modern racialized communities, it makes sense.

    • @mnj4621
      @mnj4621 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@UnBesoDeCristalexactly

  • @LizAsInElizabeth
    @LizAsInElizabeth Před 5 měsíci +2956

    I really need them to release the 4.5 hour version of this movie

    • @witchy.business
      @witchy.business Před 5 měsíci +187

      Right? It’s a good film but it could seriously be amazing if they were able to flesh it out a bit

    • @Hersheychocolate12
      @Hersheychocolate12 Před 5 měsíci +87

      I mean they made the hunger games 4 into 2 parts. I wouldn’t be mad if they did it with the prequel since it’s a one and done. Plus I felt it was missing things as someone who didn’t read the books.

    • @samjensen392
      @samjensen392 Před 5 měsíci +81

      As someone who did read the book, they had to condense a *ton* of stuff.
      I honestly don’t know how they could’ve effectively cut it into two parts, because it’s so starkly structured into three. Sure, the first movie probably could’ve ended at Lucy Gray winning the Games, but then the second would be too short, and, honestly, I’m not sure people would come back for it; despite being a direct continuation, part 3 feels like a completely different story, and while the events of it are really good and really important to Snow’s character, they’re more introspective (in the book, at least, though I do think they did a pretty good job showing Snow’s thought process in the movie). There’s a lot less action than, you know, the battle to the death. The original trilogy was able to split the final movie into two parts because the story had escalated from the Games to literal revolution and warfare (and, frankly, those two are still widely regarded as the weakest in the series, even after we’d had two other movies’ worth of time to develop and care about the characters). No matter how they split it, at least one of the movies would have felt sparse and unnecessary

    • @Recyclable89
      @Recyclable89 Před 5 měsíci +11

      I don't think it's that's long I think the uncut is 3.5 hours 🙏

    • @honeysweet4804
      @honeysweet4804 Před 5 měsíci +1

      AGREED

  • @RachelZeglerLovesHugs
    @RachelZeglerLovesHugs Před 5 měsíci +2402

    trin the wig oh my god

  • @SocarellaDeToussaint
    @SocarellaDeToussaint Před 5 měsíci +2278

    Lucy going into the Hunger Games with an Esmeralda dress and breaking Snow's heart is Mother

    • @SocarellaDeToussaint
      @SocarellaDeToussaint Před 5 měsíci +82

      Also my theory is that Lucy found a portal to Narnia and is now this universe Taylor Swift

    • @asanaquarian1302
      @asanaquarian1302 Před 5 měsíci +48

      her name is lucy gray. It's her first name.

    • @cawcaw9089
      @cawcaw9089 Před 5 měsíci +16

      "esmeralda dress" 💀

    • @Zivanovaable
      @Zivanovaable Před 5 měsíci +4

      Esmeralda dress. Exactly what I tought.

    • @felipe21279
      @felipe21279 Před 4 měsíci +9

      The covey seems to be inspired by the romani people so it kinda makes sense.

  • @darwincox8475
    @darwincox8475 Před 5 měsíci +590

    “I’m just sending water”
    “Tuberculosis on legs”
    “I’m going to have to cancel my reservation”
    You can’t say it wasn’t a comedy

    • @carlaramos3481
      @carlaramos3481 Před 2 měsíci +3

      And the « time for my milk and crackers » !? 😭

  • @natasham4184
    @natasham4184 Před 5 měsíci +676

    Trin with the wig: Snow
    Trin without the wig: Heather Chandler

  • @Itsezyyyy__
    @Itsezyyyy__ Před 5 měsíci +1140

    Really is crazy how he basically robbed sejanus after killing him (if you read the book you’d know there was cash behind that framed diploma) and then continues to take advantage of his parents smh crazy

    • @jtm881
      @jtm881 Před 5 měsíci +39

      He stole from him too?! He is truly awful...

    • @zoex3316
      @zoex3316 Před 5 měsíci +122

      @@jtm881well at first he thought he‘d die too (after sejanus was executed). So he send the money to tigris. But he took it after he got to the capitol 😭 and he got anything he wanted from sejanus parents he really felt no guilt

    • @angelwings967
      @angelwings967 Před 5 měsíci +13

      Yup, he’s a menace.

    • @Zivanovaable
      @Zivanovaable Před 5 měsíci +8

      It remembers me a fairy tale in which the villain girl pushed the fairy into the well, dressed her dress and marry the prince instead of her. 🤔

    • @falsenostalgia-shannon
      @falsenostalgia-shannon Před 5 měsíci +21

      And along with the money, he took a cookie from Sejanus’s things and casually ate it. WTF

  • @karliitos
    @karliitos Před 5 měsíci +504

    Hunter delivered that last Tigris line so good.

  • @aetosia6490
    @aetosia6490 Před 5 měsíci +935

    There are actually mayors in the original books, I guess it just wasnt mentioned in the movies. In the books katniss is given the mockingjay pin by the mayor's daughter

    • @ia490
      @ia490 Před 5 měsíci +38

      ​​@@rubyw.4900she's the mayor's wife's sister, so Madge's aunt

    • @rubyw.4900
      @rubyw.4900 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@ia490 thank you!

    • @jrlombardi5251
      @jrlombardi5251 Před 5 měsíci +8

      I remember the mayor of 12 appearing in the second movie, being called as such

    • @alina09292
      @alina09292 Před 5 měsíci

      Yes! I was looking to see if anyone said this

    • @hipe8987
      @hipe8987 Před 5 měsíci +3

      oh i forgot about that but now I really like how for katniss the mayors daughter was kind to and gave a gift while for lucy grey the mayors daughter was cruel and evil to

  • @ELOWORA
    @ELOWORA Před 5 měsíci +185

    The way you described Snow being in love with Lucy Gray is exactly how I see it. Boy was in love in the way that he wanted to keep her in a cage by his side forever so he always knows where she is and she can never leave. Like he literally wishes she was back in the cage in the capitol when he's with her in 12, there is something SEVERELY wrong with this man.

  • @skylaralley2465
    @skylaralley2465 Před 5 měsíci +401

    I love the way Lucy’s disappearance played out. Not only Snows spiral, but the question becomes did Lucy plan to leave for good when she left the cabin? Maybe she did go out to get Katniss, and took an extended amount of time to see how Snow would react, given his quickness to kill loose ends. Was it a final chance to see Snows true colors? Did she stay around until the first gunshots went off, or was she already gone and him saying he killed 3 was enough proof for her? We don’t know. We only know Lucy from Snow’s perspective, really driving forward the mystery of Lucy Gray.

    • @palithepancake2873
      @palithepancake2873 Před 4 měsíci +11

      How I interpreted it from a conversation earlier where she said that trust was the most important to her.
      I think she realized she couldn’t trust him/he didn’t fully trust her and saw how unhinged he was slowly becoming and wanted to get tf out before she turned into another loose end he wanted to deal with.

    • @majdahajlani3112
      @majdahajlani3112 Před 4 měsíci +2

      You know the theory that Lucy Gray survives being shot and escapes to district 13 to become the woman that becomes president After snow (actually Katniss shoots her )

    • @darylesese
      @darylesese Před 2 dny

      “Goodbye Lucy Gray. We hardly knew you”

  • @weronikalinda4917
    @weronikalinda4917 Před 5 měsíci +222

    I completely agree with what you said about Coriolanus wanting to own Lucy Gray. In the book he's constantly thinking about her in such disgusting, possessive terms, that she belongs to him, she's his, he literally gets angry about the fact that she had a life before she met him, like calm down

    • @brookiie
      @brookiie Před 5 měsíci +17

      fr poor lucy gray unfortunately falls for SUCH controlling abusive ppl which is pretty much what happens in real life unfortunately

    • @GigiM_winx
      @GigiM_winx Před 4 měsíci +19

      Exactly! Like Snow was 3 steps away from R-word-ing lucy, no fr he would surely force himself on lucy if she stayed. In the movie he may look nice but if someone knows his inner thoughts like the books, he is like Weekend's character from the new Idol series. Like there's a line in the book where he says "Tigris had a vulnerability that invited abuse which was sweet and snow couldnt get that thought of his mind"..... WTF DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

    • @andpeg
      @andpeg Před 4 měsíci

      @@GigiM_winxIn mockingjay Finnick mentions that Snow & the capitol elites were committing inc*st. You think he acted on those thoughts…?

    • @Lonovavir
      @Lonovavir Před 2 měsíci +3

      I'm so glad Lucy ditched that toxic abusive creep at the end. One red flag, a major one about murder and she was like, I'm gone.

    • @TravisKastl-ui9mk
      @TravisKastl-ui9mk Před 2 měsíci

      @GigiM_winx All he meant by that was she was vulnerable because she was sweet. And if you read the whole thought he has he is clearly worried about her not that he thought it would be cool if she was raped

  • @kaxidoscope
    @kaxidoscope Před 5 měsíci +572

    I think it’s interesting how he finds Lucy’s earring in the mud after he shot at her and pockets it… just to continue hunting her. Like he’s sick and twisted for real

  • @aninhaqueridoca2
    @aninhaqueridoca2 Před 5 měsíci +1574

    the fact that trin and rachel are friends makes all this more amazing

    • @Kevin.Costner.
      @Kevin.Costner. Před 5 měsíci +100

      Wait Really? how did Her and Zegler meet? sorry i'm out the loop

    • @captainbraddy
      @captainbraddy Před 5 měsíci +10

      Wait really

    • @bleepblip2568
      @bleepblip2568 Před 5 měsíci +80

      @@Kevin.Costner.rachel is a youtuber so they probably met through youtube

    • @Genesis_06178
      @Genesis_06178 Před 5 měsíci +51

      guys is it just me or did Rachel's comment get deleted??? Watched the video like an hour ago and refreshed and don't see her comment anymore...

    • @Victoria-eo1xp
      @Victoria-eo1xp Před 5 měsíci +30

      ​@@Genesis_06178I can still see it. I think it's just because trin unpinned it and pinned the raycon info instead

  • @boowind4432
    @boowind4432 Před 5 měsíci +941

    Just a quick little correction, driven snow is freshly fallen snow blown into drifts by the wind, “pure as the driven snow” does actually mean pure/untouched 😅
    The song is more an illustration of Lucy Gray’s belief that she can trust Coriolanus

    • @Orangecataura
      @Orangecataura Před 5 měsíci +16

      This is why research is important, I didn’t know this either

    • @Eebo69
      @Eebo69 Před 5 měsíci +9

      thank you i was gonna comment this since it was bothering me, its from shakespeares macbeth

  • @julietcbond
    @julietcbond Před 5 měsíci +357

    hey bestie! “driven snow” actually is an old term from the 1500s that means snow that was carried by the wind into drifts. the saying actually does mean to be pure! i think it’s supposed to speak as to how she sees him, in contrast to who he really is. the driven-through snow theory does make sense and also could have been intentional though! another cool word play thing about it is like driven Snow, as in he is driven and ambitious and nothing gets in his way. he’s only pure until that becomes his downfall. snow may land on top but it doesn’t stay for very long…

  • @JC_Cali
    @JC_Cali Před 5 měsíci +147

    i so appreciate how this tale (movie + book) not only opens up the world and lore of the Hunger Games, but also accomplished NOT making Snow a redeemable or flawed hero - despite how attractive he was lol. Kudos.

    • @jtm881
      @jtm881 Před 5 měsíci +15

      Yeah, I really liked it! I was afraid that it would lean into making the audience sympathise for Snow because he had some sort of traumatic back story, but Suzanne delivered with this story.

  • @michellelindeberg6652
    @michellelindeberg6652 Před 5 měsíci +148

    The most pivotal scene in my opinion is when he kills in the arena, you could see the shift in his eyes when he continued to beat up the boy even though he could have left after the first punch.
    He was obviously shaken up by his actions but when he told Tigris about the power he felt I just knew this was when something shifted in his psyche.
    I haven’t read the book where I know he always had a superiority complex and was bad, but in the movies I think this was the first big step towards the reality that we see unfold in the hunger games trilogy.

    • @benjiecfelix5264
      @benjiecfelix5264 Před měsícem

      In the book it becomes clear too that he gives up the choice of his actions by blaming it on his twisted notion of what is human nature, so he's never to blame for anything that he does, after all he "had no choice", it's an amazing book and the movie is also wonderful but it's much clearer in the book how Snow has always felt superior to everyone - instead of sympathizing with other's struggles because he himself has gone through some of it, he truly and fully believes they deserve to go hungry, to pay for the crime of trying to start a revolution, to die in the arena, but not him. Suzanne Collins keeps portraying white supremacists so well it makes me go a little insane lmao she's AMAZING

  • @Le_re1102
    @Le_re1102 Před 5 měsíci +214

    I think Coral going after Lucy Gray is because Lucy Gray is obviously the favourite and has the attention of the Capitol more than any of the others, similar to how Katniss was the careers’ main target in her first games

  • @VanessainSTEM
    @VanessainSTEM Před 5 měsíci +57

    "there is no worse crime than being annoying" REALLY GOT ME OMG

  • @matilda8675
    @matilda8675 Před 5 měsíci +341

    when he comes back from district 12 his hair is so much more white (cold), i love that they did that to show his change in character from before he snapped to now

    • @celiathirimanna5118
      @celiathirimanna5118 Před 5 měsíci +49

      he said he wanted a bleach and tone, smiley face 😀

    • @krstne444
      @krstne444 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@celiathirimanna5118bleach and tone?

    • @brookiie
      @brookiie Před 5 měsíci +2

      honestly kind of a great way to show his change especially considering they basically removed his mother’s compact’s role which essentially did the same thing in the book going from full compact and powder in act 1 aka his warm curls to just the powder in act 2 his buzz cut which is him being stripped down to his most basic form to even that melting away and becoming paste in act 3 when his hair grows back and is now a cold toned slick backed look like his father his newest form

    • @brookiie
      @brookiie Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@krstne444bleached to be blonde and toned to be more cold toned

    • @krstne444
      @krstne444 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@brookiie no i was quoting tana mongeau😭😭

  • @carolinea6769
    @carolinea6769 Před 5 měsíci +115

    Not only was the Mockingjay pin originally given to Katniss by her bestie Madge who was the Mayor's daughter, but its original owner was also Madge's aunt who was both Katniss's mother's bestie and Haymitch's ally in the Second Quarter Quell (man held her hand as she bled out to death)

  • @madelineb2199
    @madelineb2199 Před 5 měsíci +201

    The book definitely adds a lot of information/context, but also makes it harder to empathize with Coryo. There are moments when you still do, but hearing his inner dialogue- he feels entitled to Lucy Gray after he believes he “saved her and sacrificed everything for her” (like boy no you did that for yourself and your future) so he started to give me the ick like halfway through instead of at the very very end lol

    • @annamaria9392
      @annamaria9392 Před 5 měsíci +20

      Exactly he’s so possessive over her and does everything for his own benefit (which honestly would be kinda hard to show in a movie but i think the movie still showed his selfish nature)

    • @judigemini178
      @judigemini178 Před 5 měsíci +2

      This is good to hear and gives me hope because I wanted to read it after seeing this movie, and im sorry to say how disappointing the movie was for me specifically due to the level of sympathy it seemed keen on showering on a character that is the devil incarnate

    • @shubbadubba
      @shubbadubba Před 5 měsíci +10

      And even before that, I would say probably from the beginning of the book, the superiority complex he has because he's a Snow and the way he thinks about Sejanus (who considered Coryo his closest friend and even a brother) in his internal monologue really shows that he was selfish and self-centered from the very beginning - that he was always headed towards evil one way or the other and that it wasn't that Dr. Gaul or The Games made him evil, but that they just brought that side of him to the forefront whereas before he was putting on a persona.

    • @brookiie
      @brookiie Před 5 měsíci +8

      what’s crazy is he kinda reminded me of katniss in the books. in the books katniss HATES that she owes her life to people throughout the books and snow feels the same way about lucy gray after the arena. only katniss feels like she can never stop owing them while he believes he doesn’t. it also shows how different their love is like she falls for peeta for who he is while snow falls for lucy gray for how she reflects on him and how he views her not how she actually is. it shows how they are similar but different

  • @oliviamorris8736
    @oliviamorris8736 Před 5 měsíci +67

    that viola davis impression almost made me cry laughing,, why DID she say that??? thank you viola

    • @brookiie
      @brookiie Před 5 měsíci +9

      bro in the book dr gaul is SO psycho in the books like she loves a good rhyme starting multiple sentences with her saying “hippity hoppity” viola did her justice

    • @motaku220
      @motaku220 Před 3 měsíci +2

      the acting in this movie was soo fucking good

  • @vmantrio7724
    @vmantrio7724 Před 5 měsíci +55

    My favorite line is after the reaping when Lucy gray finishes signing one of snows classmates says “well she’s mentally ill”

    • @xAlphaBxtch
      @xAlphaBxtch Před měsícem

      “Singing? Is she out of her mind?”

  • @trinaq
    @trinaq Před 5 měsíci +662

    Rachel has an amazing voice, she should honestly sing in more projects.

    • @Kevin.Costner.
      @Kevin.Costner. Před 5 měsíci +25

      Fax i think thats how she got her first acting gig on that musical movie

    • @jtm881
      @jtm881 Před 5 měsíci +19

      Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised! Not that I thought she would be a bad singer, but I still haven't watched West Side Story so I didn't know how great of singer she'd be- she was great though

    • @lightworthy
      @lightworthy Před 5 měsíci +18

      @@jtm881I did see West Side Story, and I was still surprised! this movie’s soundtrack really showed off her vocal prowess in a different way!

    • @heatherL4834
      @heatherL4834 Před 5 měsíci +26

      ​@kyraproulx3941 She has range. In West Side Story, she sang in a beautiful soprano. This movie, her voice was deeper and darker. I was surprised, too.

    • @lightworthy
      @lightworthy Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@heatherL4834 exactly! i loved her in west side story, but her voice in this movie stuck with me much more!

  • @Mohammadzabuasi
    @Mohammadzabuasi Před 5 měsíci +100

    Some notes:
    -Mayors were there even in the trilogy but they didn’t include that in the movies, just in the books, the mayor’s daughter was even the character who gave Katniss the Mockingjay pin and they were friends (in the movie Prim gave it to her)
    -The start of the hunger games from Lucy’s POV was honestly great since in the book it was just from Snows’s POV
    -Lucy didn’t write “The hanging tree” for snow, it was about the execution and also it was in the POV of her ex lover (Billy Taupe) who tells her to meet him at the hanging tree and by the end before he dies he tries to stop Lucy from fleeing away, the whole song was explained in the book.
    -Pure as driven snow is actually not that meaning, the song meant that she trusted him, you can look what “Driven snow” actually means.
    -They don’t play the recording when they hang Sejanus in the book, so we never actually know if Sejanus knew that Snow betrayed him, all of this is honestly so sad, Sejanus deserved better.
    -I loved the mystery aspect of the ending in that we never know what happened to Lucy gray, just like in the ballad, there’s so many possibilities.
    Tbh the book gives more context on everything as it is always the case but the movie was really good!! Suzanne Collins is honestly a genius with her writing and discussing important topics by inserting them in the story!

    • @mossy_oak
      @mossy_oak Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yesss thank you I was looking for someone to point these out

  • @aalllllllexx
    @aalllllllexx Před 5 měsíci +113

    The idea of people in the capitol still facing property is alluded to (from my interpretation) in the Mockingjay book. Specifically when katniss and crew camp out at those different apartments and all they have are a few cans of food. And then with castor talking about it taking his family 5 years to save up to bring pollux home. Just an added element of the capitol just being about appearances of oppulence. But those appearances don't really benefit anybody but the very few people who actually have control and are in power.

    • @darlingdannid
      @darlingdannid Před 5 měsíci +25

      in ABOSAS snow talks about how the civil servants are second class citizens. still capitol, but not elite. it makes sense that they'd be barely hanging on as the elite got even richer. a widening wealth gap would also make the games even more of a necessary distraction, and also to show the civil servants what could happen to them if they ever rose up against the oligarchs.

  • @wirsindallesonaiv
    @wirsindallesonaiv Před 5 měsíci +8

    "That man's got a skirt and he's not afraid to use it" - great line! Loved it!

  • @Itsezyyyy__
    @Itsezyyyy__ Před 5 měsíci +230

    She paid homage to the iconic j law’s bow in hunger games where she says “thank you for consideration” and I thought it was a cute lil mic drop cause she wasn’t supposed to bow lol and Jennifer even said to her jokingly that she stole her bow😂

  • @JamesKRBlake
    @JamesKRBlake Před 5 měsíci +106

    Fun fact: adrenaline can make you do crazy things like lift a beam off the boy you think is as pure as the driven snow 😂

  • @saige2975
    @saige2975 Před 5 měsíci +32

    the buzzcut was a set up like i’m just a girl

  • @eliabrown8435
    @eliabrown8435 Před 5 měsíci +68

    Okay but Trin definitely ATE up the Dr. Gaul impression

  • @hilarianalzaro
    @hilarianalzaro Před 5 měsíci +28

    snow is sue sylvester in another universe

  • @antoinese
    @antoinese Před 5 měsíci +25

    love that you brought up the sue sylvester comparison because not only does he dress like her but he literally thinks like her in the book

  • @Itsezyyyy__
    @Itsezyyyy__ Před 5 měsíci +164

    Omg her performance with the snakes was so good, just thinking about it makes me wanna cry

    • @BooksRebound
      @BooksRebound Před 5 měsíci +24

      I'm so mad there's no studio version of The Old Therebefore 😤
      That scene with the snakes was so good. That's my fav song from the film

  • @emmajames8799
    @emmajames8799 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Yes, the districts do have mayors. They cut it from the movie for time, but the mayor of district 12 actually knew the everdeens and was seemingly fond of them. His daughter, Madge was the only person other than Gale whom Katniss considered a “friend.” Madge is originally the one to give Katniss the Mockingjay pin when she visits Katniss after the reaping.

  • @JNDReacts
    @JNDReacts Před 5 měsíci +50

    I think my favorite thing about this prequel is the worldbuilding/lore. The origin of The Hanging Tree, the song that became an anthem for the revolution (at least in the movie, not 100% clear about the book), being written by Snow’s ex! Possible Katniss ancestry (Lucy Gray’s cousin, Maude Ivory)!

  • @perryod5327
    @perryod5327 Před 5 měsíci +29

    they way you are able to mimicking the exact cadence the actors say lines is crazy trin 😭😭😭

  • @yasmingower16
    @yasmingower16 Před 5 měsíci +88

    Opening shot jump scare. I love it.

  • @zeroda1637
    @zeroda1637 Před 5 měsíci +173

    Rachel is such an icon and she was the perfect choice for Lucy Gray Baird like she’s just so talented, one of the most powerful people today

  • @Itsezyyyy__
    @Itsezyyyy__ Před 5 měsíci +59

    His last words in the movie and the book made me seethe lol, I wanted to yeet it right out the window after finishing like idk what I was expecting I mean it’s his literal villain origin story and I know his love story is doomed but you just automatically feel yourself rooting for 18 year old snow until he’s no longer coryo. But I mean at least the book made me feel something that’s for sure😂 literally bawled for sejanus during the book and the second time watching as well. And the fact coryo is sobbing and apologizing before he proceeds to rob him is crazy. Like are you sorry tho? Sure just keep taking money from his parents as well. Guess guilt isn’t your thing but poison sure is

    • @jtm881
      @jtm881 Před 5 měsíci +2

      I haven't read the book yet (bc literally where is the time?), but we're they insinuating the Sejanus was an addict in the film? I wasn't sure if I understood that scene correctly.

    • @adriannab6620
      @adriannab6620 Před 5 měsíci +4

      ​@@jtm881in the scene in the train to district 12 he says that he got the morphling for his knee that he hurt when he and Corio were trying to escape the arena

  • @tabiyaconyers8823
    @tabiyaconyers8823 Před 5 měsíci +106

    In the books Katniss gets her Mockingjay pin from the mayor’s daughter, but it was cut in the movie. So in the books the Mayer and his daughter plays a bigger role but I think it was cut for time.

  • @icequeen050
    @icequeen050 Před 5 měsíci +48

    District 12s mayor is also a big plot point in the books because his daughter gives katniss the mockingjay pins because they're friends

  • @conansglasses2645
    @conansglasses2645 Před 5 měsíci +27

    I feel like most questions you had , are all answered in the book.
    For example , not only was the mayor mentioned in the FIRST hunger games book , Katniss' best friend from district 12 was Madge, the Mayors daughter

  • @mixedupmatt3658
    @mixedupmatt3658 Před 5 měsíci +14

    I liked this movie because it showed what the hunger games were, vs what they are (or again, were since they don’t exist in that canon anymore). The tributes being so poorly kept, Jessup dying from rabies, the girl with tuberculosis, the other girl who died before the games, mentioning how it’s possible for most tributes to die from hunger and dehydration first. But by the time the 74th games are around the tributes are treated like royalty. And I like how in the movie a lot of that is implied of Snow’s doings. It also makes me realize the hunger games was probably originally a couple hour event versus the multi-day event in the 74th. I’d really like to see more movies and books about the games themselves and even more about how snow works his way up to becoming president, it would be an interesting thing with the hunger games of course having their own stories but also having an overarching background story of Snow’s rise and fall. It would be pretty cool I think. Some of the lines I thought were a bit corny but I liked it, and the actors did an amazing job. I’d need to see it again to really understand it but I enjoyed it, can’t wait for it to hit streaming, and I really hope Collins delves deeper into this universe and how Snow and even Tigris end up in their spots, because Tigris used to be a designer in the games and what exactly happened to have her not be in that position anymore?? So much to explore, so many questions. Ziegler’s voice is amazing and fits Lucy Grey so much in terms of just having a strong and powerful singing voice. Anyways, I think it was a great movie, I’d definitely rate it a 4/5 as well))

  • @_oxytosin
    @_oxytosin Před 5 měsíci +11

    i thought of the school bell prompting the beginning of the games as a way of saying, “lesson has started” since part of the reason for the games is to serve as a lesson for the districts-in addition to the fact that they’re kids.

  • @Calm_your_boobies
    @Calm_your_boobies Před 5 měsíci +183

    The jumpscare girl
    The way they made snow a twink is criminal, they knew we would crumble

    • @ZuzusHouse
      @ZuzusHouse Před 5 měsíci +33

      WDTM TWINK?? He’s totally a dark academia hot Chad

    • @Unknown-jg4uq
      @Unknown-jg4uq Před 5 měsíci +34

      Dude, he has muscles and stuff, he's a twunk at least

    • @nekone12h
      @nekone12h Před 5 měsíci +2

      He felt entitled to everything they had. To him, “they are district and they got their money from weapons after his family lost their money from district 13. Also they have no children to inherit their money. He was their son only friend, so who is better to inherit their money than him?” In the books they named his as their heir, but did not adopt him as son and give him their name “Plinth” and he is happy about that, he would not give up his “Snow” name for a name from the districts

    • @Orangecataura
      @Orangecataura Před 5 měsíci +6

      He’s not a twink he’s a chad

    • @hana-rv6ru
      @hana-rv6ru Před 5 měsíci

      @@Unknown-jg4uqTWUNK😭😭😭😭😭

  • @embodyingmysticalmac
    @embodyingmysticalmac Před 5 měsíci +61

    Hey there me again. She didn’t write Hanging Tree about Snow. There’s a whole mental rant he goes on in the book because he’s over her writing about Billy Taupe which is who The Hanging Tree is about. She didn’t have enough knowledge about Snow to insinuate he’d “wear a necklace of rope side by side with me” which means basically getting hung together. Just wanted to clear that up because the movie does a shit job 😅

    • @jtm881
      @jtm881 Před 5 měsíci +1

      No... I thought it was fairly clear, didn't they show how he was hanged before Lucy Gray wrote the song? At the same time, I think I might be biased bc I have context from reading the original trilogy (I haven't read this book yet)

    • @toxic.velvet
      @toxic.velvet Před 5 měsíci +16

      Wasn’t the song about the District 12 rebel couple made up of the man who got hanged for killing 3 people and the woman who got hanged later on for planning to run away to the north (can’t remember their names)? Maybe my memory of the book is a little off but I’m pretty sure Lucy Gray wrote an entirely different song for Billy Taupe about him cheating on her with Mayfair and breaking her heart. Regardless, you’re def right about The Hanging Tree not being about Snow

    • @ia490
      @ia490 Před 5 měsíci +19

      The Hanging Tree is about the first guy they showed hanged in the movie (the one that told his girl to run)

    • @embodyingmysticalmac
      @embodyingmysticalmac Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@ia490 yes that’s the scene she sets but there are two stories in the song. The one about the man “they strung up” who “they say he murdered three” and how he called out to his love in his last moments. Then there’s the story of Billy Taupe asking the Lucy Gray to meet him at the hanging tree the day this all went down. The last verse that states “wear a necklace of rope side by side with me” which insinuates they’ll be dying together at this meeting which is how she feels if she goes back to Billy because he literally indirectly got her name called in the reaping. She’s also saying “strange things have happened here, no stranger would it be if we met up at midnight in the hanging tree” because her name was not supposed to be called, she wasn’t supposed to have a chance at surviving and returning (to the aforementioned “here”) so why wouldn’t something as strange as her going back to Billy after everything be possible? Hope this helps.

    • @embodyingmysticalmac
      @embodyingmysticalmac Před 5 měsíci

      @@jtm881 in the book there are allusions that it’s about Billy even though Lucy Gray never says it outright. Have a read, eye loved the books and this one reignited my spark in them.

  • @Neumonics429
    @Neumonics429 Před 5 měsíci +25

    I appreciate that the show isn't just the Hunger Games again. It's a new creative movie in a world I like. It could have easily been another uninspired cash in.

  • @rzuue
    @rzuue Před 5 měsíci +6

    I think Sejanus also was very much broken after the games. He started out relatively level-headed and smart, but witnessing his friend being brutalized in the capitol and the Hunger Games, nearly dying there himself, it must have really traumatized him. Maybe he had nightterrors over and over again and was impatient in district 12 because a part of him hoped it would put and end to his suffering if he could make a change for the better.
    And we should consider he's only 18 or sth, fresh out of school, maybe not the age where you're able to plan successfull rebellion or sth.

  • @BooksRebound
    @BooksRebound Před 5 měsíci +54

    "Driven Snow" is actually referring to pure white snow drifts. Its an old timey phrase that i just happened to have looked up by coincidence a few days before seeing the movie. So yeah, its snow thats be blown into drifts.

  • @josiespets6410
    @josiespets6410 Před 5 měsíci +22

    Sejanus wanted to be a medic but in the book they wouldn’t let him because he was to good at shooting (like bro just fake being bad like what)

    • @alittleconfused5783
      @alittleconfused5783 Před 5 měsíci +8

      He tried faking being bad, but he was still much better that everyone else.

  • @mrsstyles10002
    @mrsstyles10002 Před 5 měsíci +37

    Funnily enough in the first Hunger Games book one of the first Characters who is introduced is one of Katniss’ only “friends” Madge Undersee the Mayor of district 12’s daughter who is actually the person who gives Katniss the Mockingjay pin at the Seam (not Greasy Sae) Mayors have been in the book universe Trin! (Still betrayed you haven’t read the books)

  • @michaelaporee260
    @michaelaporee260 Před 5 měsíci +19

    Why does Trin do such a good Viola Davis 😂😂😂

  • @juanitaparpandacute3511
    @juanitaparpandacute3511 Před 5 měsíci +11

    23:10 yeah in the movie the snakes seems like out of nowhere, in the books the snakes play a much bigger role and are like a looming danger for a while on coryo's mind, also in the books doctor gaul has been publicly executing tributes like for quite a while if i remember correctly she pareded them aound in chains like 2 times so the snakes to end all the tributes seem like more of a fitting thing in the books

  • @fa1seidol
    @fa1seidol Před 5 měsíci +13

    Rachel and Tom were amazing as Lucy and Snow! I loved Trin’s in depth insight on the film, Hunter ate as Tigrass as well!

  • @embodyingmysticalmac
    @embodyingmysticalmac Před 5 měsíci +41

    Mayors have always been a thing because in the Hunger Games book it’s the mayor’s daughter who gives Katniss the mockingjay pin.

  • @elitettelbach4247
    @elitettelbach4247 Před 5 měsíci +27

    A little saddened that we didn’t also get a Michael Microphone collab for this one, but a Trin solo adventure is always a good time! I also really enjoyed the movie!

  • @BeyondSafewords
    @BeyondSafewords Před 5 měsíci +4

    The relationship between Coriolanus and Lucy reminds me of a quote from Mike Flanagan's Haunting of Bly Manor:
    "People do, don't they? Mix up love and possession. I don't think that should be possible. I mean, they're opposites, really. Love and ownership."

  • @amanda6876
    @amanda6876 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Watching snow turn evil was heartbreaking. The actor did a great job portraying both sides of his character, I feel

  • @nerd26373
    @nerd26373 Před 5 měsíci +91

    We appreciate Trin's insights on this film. Seems like she goes into depth with how this whole movie plays out.

  • @muminaweliyo
    @muminaweliyo Před 5 měsíci +12

    The costume?? Oh you’re taking it🙏🏾

  • @BaBeMariposa22
    @BaBeMariposa22 Před 5 měsíci +11

    Especially when get the context of the book, it makes you wanting to watch it again

  • @BradsPitts.
    @BradsPitts. Před 5 měsíci +15

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought the snakes felt a bit rushed. Which stinks cause a lot of that scene worked so well, it was just too much too fast

  • @annazully2680
    @annazully2680 Před 5 měsíci +24

    every content creator is feeding my obsession with the hunger games with their vid releases recently 😂😂😂

  • @Itsezyyyy__
    @Itsezyyyy__ Před 5 měsíci +15

    And people thinking Lucy the villain cause she played him only for him to turn into one anyway, yet they were probably both playing each other let’s be real. And she did the right thing leaving first but I think as soon as he got bit he felt betrayal and the footprints he saw were definitely his cause her feet ain’t that big and he had just been circling the forest looking for her. And the fact he has no idea what happens to her drives him mad bc she’s probably off long gone and taunting him so he shoots at the mockingjay for singing hanging tree then he gets rid of the guns anyway

  • @yandracuello9922
    @yandracuello9922 Před 5 měsíci +11

    2thing I need to get out of my chest
    1. Snow is so smart and clever and he couldn't came up with a better answer when asked about the third one??? Like babes c'mon
    2. By the point the games started Lucy gray must've been stinking.

    • @adriannab6620
      @adriannab6620 Před 5 měsíci +8

      In the book Corio and Tigris prepare her for the interview by giving her soap and washing her dress

  • @y2kaylaog
    @y2kaylaog Před 5 měsíci +13

    JUMPSCARED BY THE BOB WIG

  • @alcy03
    @alcy03 Před 5 měsíci +13

    girl i did not expect you in costume 😭😭

  • @Ada-fz9ug
    @Ada-fz9ug Před 5 měsíci +23

    Girl the districts have had mayors! Katniss was given her mockingjay pin by the mayor’s daughter, who was her friend. I think they’re there to report to the capitol and be a ruling figure for the Capitol because they’re very rich

  • @zuzuthefirelord164
    @zuzuthefirelord164 Před 5 měsíci +11

    the fact, that I watched the movie once and just couldn't help ms to see it twice, cause something about it got me hooked, ofc it's not perfect and some things weren't included like the 1st kiss and the development of the games and snow's healing process, from the terrorists attack, which took more time in books and was way more descriptive, but still the performance of the main characters, lucy's gray voice, iconic visuals and overall atmosphere is just top-notch
    actually the mayor's drop was in the 1st book, but they didn't include it in the movie, btw, mayor's daughter gave katniss legendary mocking jay as a present, but if you haven't read the book, it's gonna be a surprise

  • @itse.volution
    @itse.volution Před 5 měsíci +10

    I’m absolutely dead from Trin just staring at me in a red suit with a blonde wig I can’t🤣😭😭

  • @gentryquattlebaum372
    @gentryquattlebaum372 Před 5 měsíci +9

    girl what do you mean you didn't know there were mayors? Katniss' best friend in the books is the daughter of the mayor of district 12

  • @mirraculous
    @mirraculous Před 5 měsíci +24

    there were mayors in the books!! the pin was given to katniss by the mayor’s daughter in the books!!!

  • @handlelicker989
    @handlelicker989 Před 5 měsíci +8

    For 6:01 katniss was actually bestfriends (sorta) with Madge the mayors daughter and she’s the one who gives katniss the mockingjay pin in the books 😭

  • @Itsezyyyy__
    @Itsezyyyy__ Před 5 měsíci +24

    Holy crap yea I just realized they don’t hold a memorial for the fallen ones but thanks to reaper it’s somewhat easy to keep track when he stacks them side by side. And I thought it was funny cause instead of accepting his fate in the movie, he’d still be stacking bodies by one another while Lucy messes with him since they go head to head in the end (she basically distracts him with flag😅 remnants to get him to come after her and down to the puddle) yea explaining that just now made no sense as for a few other deaths so I see why they changed it in the movie lol

  • @wolfiiu
    @wolfiiu Před 3 měsíci +1

    i recently heard a relationship therapist say “the overall feeling of love is safety and respect”. I don’t think Snow ever truly loved Lucy Gray because he never felt either of those things for her. He thought that he loved her, but in reality he felt of her the way you feel of an object or an animal; like a bird he would keep in a cage forever. He never loved her, he wanted to own her, like a prize.

  • @Itsezyyyy__
    @Itsezyyyy__ Před 5 měsíci +15

    Yea usually obsessions stem from planned meetings lol so it was doomed from the start and explains the lack of a meet cute cause planned meetings seem almost stalkerish but it would’ve gone toxic regardless

  • @sweetener.
    @sweetener. Před 5 měsíci +4

    Honestly idk if this is because of recency bias but i think this is my fav movie of the whole hg series. Catching fire was my fav but ballads of the songbirds and snakes is just so raw & powerful. And i think lucy gray is just such a unique character

  • @leahjk97
    @leahjk97 Před 5 měsíci +13

    I am so obsessed with this video I loveee the bosas hype like I am so obsessed with this movie. also I have literally listened to this soundtrack like a hundred times oop rachel ate that soundtrack up

  • @vitoriawithanaccent
    @vitoriawithanaccent Před 5 měsíci +3

    “stop trying to make poison happen, it’s NOT gonna happen” - someone to snow at some point probably

  • @shannonranalli8688
    @shannonranalli8688 Před 5 měsíci +4

    GIRL that opening with the red blazer and WIGGG had me GAGGED

  • @eldunari0291
    @eldunari0291 Před 5 měsíci +6

    I have been WAITING for this video!! Love the matching costume, as always! ✨

  • @privateserpent8498
    @privateserpent8498 Před 5 měsíci +8

    if u don’t want to read the books i def recommend listening to the audiobooks! the storyline and plot details are so much richer and add sm to the watching experience and a lot of the questions u had are answered! amazing vid as always ❤️

  • @musicnerd2639
    @musicnerd2639 Před 5 měsíci +7

    the dedication to the wardrobe in this video is everything and more ty trin bae 😚😚

  • @juliadebbesay9465
    @juliadebbesay9465 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Everyone keeps talking about how fine snow is, but what about my men reaper and treech??😭

  • @sinthia345
    @sinthia345 Před 5 měsíci +9

    Your voice overs in the characters are so GOOD!!!!

  • @cultofdumbpling4699
    @cultofdumbpling4699 Před 5 měsíci +9

    snow lands on top (of me)

  • @hayeon4820
    @hayeon4820 Před 5 měsíci +10

    I've watched this movie three times and Trin makes the impressions so well that I'm watching the movie for the fourth time😂😂

  • @gwenpenaco7506
    @gwenpenaco7506 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Man I want to watch it three times too. I watched it second time yesterday. You right. THERES SOMETHING that you cant get sick of

  • @alyssa3044
    @alyssa3044 Před 5 měsíci +4

    "that man's got a skirt and he's not afraid to use it"

  • @mirraculous
    @mirraculous Před 5 měsíci +1

    i love hearing your opinions on such movies it’s always so interesting

  • @madif6390
    @madif6390 Před 5 měsíci +4

    The fact everyone called Ms. Tuberculosis “ill Dill” is insane

  • @Aquariusgirl212
    @Aquariusgirl212 Před 5 měsíci +2

    This is such a respite from finals god bless you Trin

  • @karinadoshi3950
    @karinadoshi3950 Před 4 měsíci

    ur so right when u said it’s rewatchable bc i really want to see it AGAIN

  • @kingaling6701
    @kingaling6701 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Same! I left the theater feeling this movie seemed really rewatchable.