All About TPO Roofing
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- čas přidán 18. 11. 2013
- How a TPO roof is installed By T and G Roofing Los Angeles Office: www.tandgroofing.com/
Florida Office: trustroofing.com/#/
We are a family owned and operated roofing company serving the LA area since 1982. We have completed thousands of projects call us at (818) 459-0702 for more information on single ply or a free estimate.
I really like TPO systems. As a home inspector in FL I see it on a lot of mobile homes and the owners love it. I also get scrap pieces from a roofing buddy of mine and I use it for roofing my bee hives
in 1979 the braas system everything was hand welded area and details, back pain, knees red raw, the solvent weld was 3 times, we used to do the upside down roofing system a lot quicker than the flex disc fix
For some reason , there are always people that think they can do it better , I bet you any money , most of the haters here can't stand on a roof for 8 hours, they don't even know how is like to be on your knees heat welding the single ply membrane ,they don't know how the white single ply membrane burns your face and bothers your eyes , as usual brainless people , write , comment ,nonsense stuff.
you guys did a very good job, I'm glad you didn't show this people how to actually do it , it's not worth your time , as long as the roof don't have a leak in the next 10 years , you are a good roofer!! most of the bad roofers have a leak on the first fucking rain and they still brag about knowing what they're doing .
Good job !
I reply with facts. I have been doing single ply roof for 30 years. Started with Hypalon (Burkline), Trocal, JPstevens, Bondcoat, Firestone EPDM, Carlisle EPDM. Got certified for Firestone in "86 back when ya had to get certified to install. I have been offered jobs with Johns Manvill and Sarnifil to be an inspector. We installed Carlisle back in the day when you earned points for perfect roofs and could use the points to buy things from their catalog. So putting on a punch free roof is how I was taught 30 years ago. So when I said there were things done wrong they were. If i inspected this roof they would have been back fixing more then a few things. As for fall protection 6 foot up 6 foot in. PERIOD. 25k fine from osha dont feel good in the bank. Last leak I had was 5 years ago and it was trade damage. My name is on here if ya dont believe me check with any of the big Manufacturers Carlisle, JM, Sarnifil Firestone here in southern CA. Ill let them tell ya.
Jim Comstock > Did checked your references and u had major leaks in all your projects ... you were ban from the industry. I heard you are selling umbrellas to your former customers..
Thats pretty funny have a great day.
I roof all day every day from torchdown modified to hot tar gravel to foam and TPO this roof would never pass inspection it’s wrong insulation he ripped the owners off bye giving them a crap roof
First of all, the box is ugly as fuck. Line that shit up so it looks presentable. Second, wear sunglasses X87+ so your eyes wont supposedly "burn". (The reflecting sun rays wont melt your face either)
Third, Quality matters.
It's beautiful!
Wow you guys did a good job look awesome
good presentation!!
Thank you!
To all of those who want to give OSHA so much praise.... When a government tells a grown man how to set up his ladder then that is too much government! This man is obviously capable of sett ing up a ladder and being his own judge as to whether or not it will hold.
OSHA does not exist to stop a person from choosing to do something unsafe. It's there to prevent a boss from coercing their employees to do something unsafe.
I might add...OSHA rules are written in blood
@@mr.g937 thanks for the insight
@@mr.g937 Wrong. OSHA exists so that government nannies can keep a job where they don't have to actually produce anything. OSHA fines companies hundreds of thousands of dollars daily for employees doing things the boss doesn't even know about. Notice they fine the employer, who knows nothing about it, not the man who actually did the alleged unsafe act.
@@darthnatas953 Nothing I said was incorrect. It's usually the employer making their employees cheap out on safety gear and skip certain procedures in an effort to save on time and money. You think a roofer gives a shit how quickly he does a job he gets paid by the hour on? No. Do you think he cares that a harness slows him down? No. So in the end it's because his boss tells him to hurry up or he's fired that he chooses to skip it.
Excellent video content! Your team did a great job!!!
Thank you very much Peter, we agree! :)
hello! Great job! That's a beautiful roofing work!
for how long have you been working in this field?
Hi, I am the owners son. This company has been in business since 1980 and Tommy has been roofing since the mid seventies. In terms of Single Ply PVC and TPO we have been installing these for about 12 years.
im thinking about taking a job doing this. Not fond of heights .Ive had to deal with them as ive been a carpernter for years but not a fan. like it gave me anxiety watching ur guy with the heat roller on the edge. couple questions though i was always you had to be tied off that close. but then where ? sometimes theres nothing to tie too. also when you installed the seam on the edge , why wouldnt you use fasteners? it seems like that would be the ideal place, protecting from wind etc?
Great video bro
Thank you!
We use 80mil for the deck and 60mil for flashing only and unsupported for detail.
great job on my roof in orange county!
Thank you so much for the positive feed back!
Need termination plates around penetrations before you wrap and flash them
You are correct :)! We have upgraded a lot of our specs since we installed this one. This roof remains in service 10 years later and we continue to improve our process everyday.
Doing the exact roofing.. but, it must be nice working with no wind. I do Rhino bond and fully adhered systems Calgary AB Canada
Rhino bond in the wind is a pain
HI. I am about to start a 100,000 SF gravel roof just like the one you replaced and we may use TPO. I have some questions: Is TPO more expensive than other roofs? What kind of screws are used?
We have a gravel roof. This company installed tpo for us. So far so good. I don't know what kind of screw they used but it's holding up well
great business to ne in if your not the worker. millions can be made
What size generator would you recommend to use to run 2 leister heat guns?
any solid mid range generator (4000+ wats) will run 2 leister guns fine. Usually for our guns we are able to find on site power but have a 12000 watt honda generator we use for our robot welder and as needed for the hand welders
I feel like this is in San Pedro near the bridge
Which adhesion is best for TPO sir
How does this compare to Modified Bitumen for longevity and less maintenance? We have puddles on our roofs after a rain. Southern California, so not too much rain.
last alot longer. does not split at the seams like torch.
Torch is the king of roofs 3 ply torch. Single ply can easy put a hole even with a nail head.
Bitumen is 1/2 thickness is a beast of roofing 3 ply torch, easy can last 30 years with maintenance. Compared with 40 mil, 60 mil , 80 mil TPO.
Can the final TPO surface be painted in a color to make it look less institutional?
Hey! TPO Comes in other colors such as gray and tan. There are other custom color membranes available as well. Getting the product in original color that you desire is always preferable to painting after the fact :)
How do you secure the foam board ? Plates n screws too?
Yes they make wider plates that are designed to hold the insulation down :)! In some other systems insulation can be foam adhered down as well.
What about possible dry rot that needs to be repaired? Especially if structural integrity is comprised like beams and purlins? Your roofs only gonna be only as sound as the roof deck under it. 🤷♂️
That's up to the buyer to decide 🤷♂️
You can also go in the attic from the inside and check the plywood and beams!
You make a great point, not all roofs can have a recover done. This particular roof had a sound deck, did not have major water intrusion issues. This allowed a recover to be done and save the building owner lots of money and get his tenants a waterproof covering. You are correct though in a lot of cases a full removal is the only way to go.
Can you use this product on a corrugated metal roof?
Yes you can, you would install a special insulation first which is ordered specially for each metal roof and fits into the standing seams, the TPO or PVC then gets installed on top, we have done several like this
Depends on the thickness of the metal but generally yes depending on your proximity to high wind zones and the pitch of your roof. You may need "special" fasteners as well. Call a reputable commercial roofer, they’ll give you a proposal and spell out your options.
But what about in climates you leave windows open all year round like puetro rico. No ac as I enjoy hot weather . Like I need no insulation. Recommended TPO . Windows act like a cooling system. As me likes it at 85 to 90 degrees. Asking them how to install without the insulation as same temperature as outside. For concrete.
Heard that
Hi tommy how do you eliminate wrinkles with tpo roof ?
Our wrinkles went away after a few weeks.
Best way is to install the material tight in the first place. Mechanically fastened systems are designed to have a bit of give in between so that the system can expand and contract, if it is to tight then the welds can be torn in that process. If there are wrinkles beyond normal measures, they can be cut and then the area cleaned and patched, this can be unsightly though and add extra points of potential water intrusion.
They must not have OSHA in California
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I know, they're not even wearing helmets. SMFH
Why would they need helmets osha does not require
Osha does require to come off 6foot from any fall surface greater than 6 feet
This video is beyond me.... the way the roof access ladder is set up on the stairway. No warning lines whatsoever, no monitor watching the guy using the robot, using supported membrane instead of detail or non-supported membrane for field flashings... Hahahha these guys are a joke
sorry one more question for anyone why go decking_ gravel- rigid foam -TPO. why cant they leave out the gravel?
Gravel was added only to hold the original Membrane down
It was only a part of the ballasted membrane system
What this video is showing is the installation of TPO OVER that system , because the former system had failed
And of course they remove the rock before installing the TPO over the top
He used unsupported flashing to flash a curb that is wrong u are suppose to use tpo not unsupported
Now you can use unsupported. U dont know nothing.
Since this video we no use reinforced wrap on our curbs with non reinforced detail on the corners, with that being said the vast majority of roofs we did like this are under 10 year warranty and do not leak or experience problems
I keep seeing these videos of roofers working with out fall protection
most roofers, especially flat/ low slope roofers, seem to have minimal regard for osha and safety regulations.
While I firmly believe safety is not optional, that opinion is exceedingly rare amongst professionals
Do you guys glue down your material to the insulation?
The insulation is fastened to the wood deck and the single ply is fastened to the deck on top with screws every foot on center.
Depending on the product, Firestone TPO can be fully adhered using TPO Adhesive leaving a seam to be welded down, or mechanically fastened using screws and plates every foot.
please write in the average cost of square meters? Thank you!
too many variables to say that. Depends on insulation type, mechanically fastened or total adhered. PVC or TPO or EPDM.
I'm interested in PVC or TPO as EPDM. The average cost of standard, without dismantling the old blood. Thank you!
ballpark for mechanically attached (screwdown) is about 100 for 100 square feet. you convert for meters
Ours was $21,000 USDfor 6500 sq feet over the existing roof. They swept off the gravel, installed insulation, and installed the TPO on top. No AC units and no parapets. 5 estimates and that was the lowest price. Everyone else was at $28-$43k
$230-$375 per sq. depending
Jobsite is far from OSHA compliant. They would probably run out of ink with all the commercial jobsite infractions. Damn
why are a hater ? didn't you see the results ? these guys know what they are doing , I would like to see one of your job sites, about OSHA , they don't bother you unless you have an accident , OSHA is only on government jobs sir , learn your ABCs
I was not hating Eric Garcia. Also you should really do more research before you make yourself look even more foolish. Yes OSHA is gov but they have jurisdiction over every square inch of this country. If your a General Contractor , Roofing Contractor or any other construction trade or a manufacturer or distributor af all goods and services in this country and operate as a Corporation , Incorporated , LLC and even special conditions as Sole Proprietor then everything you do is subjected to OSHA jobsite inspections.
Regardless if someone calls themseves Bubba Gump Roofing or if you work for the Department of Defense you are required to operate in accordance with OSHA regulations and standards. I have watched your videos too Mr. Garcia and have to admit I am literally shocked with your comments pertaining to OSHA. I suggest you bring your company up to speed on Jobsite compliance Do you even know what the OSHA abbreviations stand for ? Occupational Safety Health Administration and when was the Occupational Safety Health Administration created and why ? It was created within the labor board and passed by Congress in 1979 as the Occupational Health and Safety Act. And the why is ..to assure so far as possible every working man and woman in the NATION safe and healthful working conditions and to preserve our human resources." Now does that sound anything like it was intended or limited to Gov projects ?
And yes , all my projects regardless if they are Residential or Commercial are OSHA compliant. Residential contractors are full of people who think they know it all and usually more than not they learn things the hard way but when you do Commercial work then your held to a higher standard of compliance. OSHA fines are harsh on Residential but Commercial fines are brutal however OSHA will fine a Residential contractor just as fast as they would a Commercial one except most times depending on the infraction a Commercial contractor can absorb the fine better than a Residential one because more money in Commercial jobs.
OSHA field inspectors drive around in the inner cities , suburbs , catastrophe zones and they have even been known to show up on jobsites after a permit is pulled from the building department. Lots of times your competition will report you to OSHA just because they are butt hurt because you won a contract that they wanted or maybe they just didnt like you ? There is also a good possibility that another contractor reports you because he was fined for the same infractions that your getting away with ? Another possibility is they are following regulations and requirements and feel since they have to wear harnesses , toe boards , hard hats , safety glasses , caution tape , railings ,flags along the perimeter of the roof, construction cones , fencing , fire prevention , grounded extension chords , first aid kits , trip hazards , fall hazards , hatch locks , ladder extending a minimum of 3' above the gutters/Eves and lets not forget a safety plan and in some instances having an oppointed safety observer so they feel like you should too.
Thanks to Obama he signed a bill called the "Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015” which raises the maximum fine for a lesser violation moves from $7,000 per worker exposed to unsafe conditions to $12,500 per worker. The maximum fine for a serious infraction moves from $70,000 per worker exposed to unsafe conditions to $125,000 per worker exposed. That is up a staggering 80% from the 90's.
As far as hating on this video I said nothing in regards to the workmanship. I was merely stating a fact that if this guy got his jobsite tagged the fines for non compliance could shut down a roofing company pretty quick. It would not take long with a crew of 4 to rack up well over $100,000 in fines for lesser infractions and could meet or exceed $500,000 for willful infractions.
I knew several roofing contractors that were fined well over $250,000 and over $1,000,000. Also knew a painter that was fined $160,000 for exterior infractions. Needless to say 2 of those guys I mentioned lost everything and closed up shop. They were good hardworking roofers but they ignored the regulations and it bit them hard in the ass.
Humor me and research OSHA regulations for roofing and jobsite compliance and take that knowledge and apply them to your daily routine and your weekly safety meetings if you have them.
dont know where you are but osha pops up all the time here in CA. My guys were harnesses within 8 feet of any leading edge with a drop of anything over 5 feet. I have not had to make any phone calls to family telling them bad news. 6 foot up 6 foot in is osha i go above that. have been for 20 years. Been doing single ply since firestone and carlysle were the only options. EPDM the old days.
This company has been doing my roof for a while. Sure, doesn't look OSHA compliant but I'm not sure how they get away with it so often. Their work is pretty good though and we've never had an issue. The city always finalizes the permit on it as well.
Is 15-20 years the real life of it? 50 sounds a bit exaggerated.
I've been noticing roofing jobs in my area where this company installed my roof(Orange County, CA) and even with major builders, no one had harnesses when installing or repairing roofs, even flat roofs without parapets. So I"m not sure how strict OSHA is. Apparently, they don't pop up that often?
I think this company loosely throws out the number "50 years" for their caulk and roof. I'm sure they're probably 15-20 years. Hopefully we'll be good for 20+ years.
Every roof penetration needs to be at a minimum 8” high of the roof level
that actually varies by manufacturer and city. Many are starting to say 12-14", pipes are generally 5-6" for manufacturers, and many places only hold the rule along the lines of :"high enough for manufacturer approved terminations and penetration seals", which is usually 2-3".
Colorado Consultants For Roofing yes anyone can get away with anything but the right thing to do is 8” minimum for every penetration
Formatable lol. It's reinforced pin head
Weld first
Your thin insulation will not hold up to hail, forming small dents in the membrane straining the scrim. This will simultaneously make the membrane more susceptible to hail but potentially also cause premature delaminations. However, this us an industry issue for letting people do it with a system that's barely been made since 2001 (I know it dates to the 70s, but fire-retardent chemical shortages resulted in a formula change in 2001, for those who don't know roofing history and want to Google to say I'm wrong without knowing CSPE from EPDM.) Beyond my hatred of using one of the worst insulations out there, I agree with your quality. Also, for Gods sake open up your walking welder and clean it out before you fry both the element and motor. The fact I can hear that screaming "kill me" from that distance is a genuine concern to me.
I work for this company which is based in Los Angeles where it almost never hails, we offer and hold to 10 year labor warranties on all of the hundreds of single ply roofs we install every year and dont have problems with our roofs during our warranties (the few callbacks we do have we handle swiftly) :). We also use Secure Rock and other stronger insulations when we can, this option is cheaper though for customers on a budget and we hold to the same high performance standard.
@@PapiSquati I'm in LA also, looking for TPO flat roof company to replace a flat roof.
Regardless no fall protection
shit they make peel n stick
That is not tpo, probably epdm
We can get a haircut
Guys gonna go blind 😂
Tell your hand welder to get on his knees and weld it right. Everyone thinks they can weld I guarantee his work will fail.
This roof was done almost 10 years ago and remains in service, leak free and functional. The detail welds are the most important part of a TPO system I agree with you there. We probe our work multiple times as part of the process to ensure we don't miss cold welds.
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I do roofing I am a badass roofer give me ur address to one of ur jobs I’ll go and show u what I can do
Cheap foam no hd iso bords big oof. The glue gana eat strait thu it o wait they didnt add glue on a 2 story flat elevation cheap work all the way around...
Why would you add glue on tpo when it is a large amount of the time screwed in? At least in Cali..
Sunglasses bra