Himiway Range Test - Throttle Only
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- čas přidán 9. 01. 2021
- In this video I ride both the Himiway Cruiser and the Himiway Escape under throttle power only to see how far they can go on a single charge. The range numbers were surprising. As a bonus, I also tested my Rad Mini Step Thru for comparison.
Great job. building up that data base as you test more and more bikes is going to be really helpful to the consumers.
Great video, I ordered the Cruiser Step Thru in February. I really love the look of this frame, suppose to ship out in April. can't wait to get it keep up the good work.
Very nice video. Ordered my Cruiser Fat bike this morning, can't wait. Just Feb 1st here in MN, know I'll be out riding soon after assembly, Cold, yes.....
Looks like a learning curve on the assist and power. Jack
Excellent video and very educational! My wife and I just went to Coronado, CA and averaged about 20mph on setting 4 peddling on damp sand for approx 10 miles. We both have Himiway Cruisers, but hers is a step thru. It was windy and a lot of resistance with the damp sand, but great fun! The battery was certainly assisting quite a bit and dropped a couple bars! Actually, it's hard for me not to pedal, and I know the battery will last longer by assisting it.
Thank you thank you very much for that information, you are really helping me to choose the right bike for me. Appreciate your videos and keep them coming
Thank you for another awesome video!
I cant tell you how many review videos I have watched on fat ebikes in the last 36 hours and you have presented some of the best and most unique information I have seen yet. Keep up the great work bro.
Wow thank you! Glad you are enjoying!
I’m in Virginia Beach. It’s all flatlands so I’ll do the same test with my Himiway when it arrives and send you the numbers. Thanks for a great test!
Wow sweet let me know too. I need to commute 18 miles one way
Great video and I think I am going to do this test on my bike. I have a town about 12 miles from my house with some good up and downhills. I am a big guy at 285lbs and the bike is the Bikonit MD1000. I think it will help significantly to have a much better idea of what the bike can do range wise. It will also give me a feel of what it feels like at near drained and know I better head back to home or camp. Great video!!
Thank you for a great comparison! You did a wonderful job!!
Thanks! 😊
You are, "our field expert!" Thank you. My wife and I live in a mountainous area and she is almost ready to buy. And this video mattered.
Thanks for helping me finalize my decision on buying a Himiway. This video did it! Keep up the great videos...
Wow. Amazing tests. Thanks so much!
Now that is a proper range test, thank you. I think you are right about the heavier bike and the chunkier tyres, they do make a huge difference. If you want to take a longer trip like say 40 miles than the trick is to pedal hard for as long as you can and only rely on the battery to get you home.
Great video. Watched it end to end. Only thing I didn't hear was battery capacity numbers for the 3 bikes. Take care.
I hope you gained more followers. In a Fb group Sat someone had a question about their motor upgrade & of course I mentioned your channel.!
Thank you for the mention Ricky! much appreciated!
I find your reviews and explanations of the details of the bikes you report on to be very helpful. thanks.
One of the things that I am interested in knowing about fat tire cruisers (like the Himiway step through) is how easy it is to pedal without using the motor.
I have been running errands and cruising up and down the coast from Santa Monica to Redondo beach for a couple of years on my big heavy classic 3 speed beach cruiser that weighs about 50 lbs. I weigh about 200 lbs and sometimes, on my way home from the grocery store, can have close to 80 lbs of cargo in saddle bag bastets and the front basket.
There are a couple of hills I cant deal with using my 3 speed hub and I would like to get an ebike to help with those situations. I'm also interested in extending my cruising ground a bit. and want to be sure I can pedal the bike home if I push the battery range too far.
I would like to be able to use my ebike without power assist for a lot of the nice flat beach bike paths near where I live and actually am not allowed to use a throttled ebike in some parts of paths. Fortunately those are flat parts.
A fat tire bike is attractive because the 2.25 inch tires on my current bike sometimes have problems with the sand drifts on the bike paths early in the morning before the maintenance workers get things cleaned up.
So I would really appreciate hearing from folks about their experience pedaling their himiway bikes without power assist. Is 10-12 miles reasonable to do, without power, on a fat tire bike like the himiway? I currently have a couple of 25mile roundtrips I do on my beach cruiser.
Watched several of your vids...all good! Did my research on EBikes in December and pulled the trigger on the Himi Cruiser Dec 29th. Supposed to ship any day. Your info pushed into the Himi camp...Thanks!! BTW....Your whiskers are Bad Ass. Must look like a Wild Man cruising the road at 30 mph🤣🤣
Thanks Jim, Glad you enjoyed the videos. Hope you enjoy that Himiway! Great bike 😁
Cool video dude!!
Great info for a possible new purchase!! TY
Karen at @7:00. Awesome review by the way, great points and ideas spoken. I have the City Pedelec (EU version) and was surprised after I managed to get 45mi on the first charge, mainly riding on hilly roads here in Spain. (250W - 15.5mph = EU Legal)
thanks for the video. My Himiway Cruiser is supposed to arrive this Thursday.
Awesome!! I hope you enjoy it, is this your first ebike?
Great test!
Your roads remind me of Colonial Williamsburg area. I used to live there. Good video.
Boy, it must've taken you a long time to do all that riding! Add another great, informative video to the collection!
about 2 hour for each bike
@@CitizenCycle925 thanks for the videos
@@CitizenCycle925 you are awesome and we appreciate you!!
@@metalman69201 you are too kind!!
@@CitizenCycle925 very informative video thanks
Excellent video!
What I really like about your test, is that it provides the logic that helps puts the rider fully in control of ensuring that their battery lasts for the intended trip length. BTW, how would you rate the non-assisted pedal effort expended to get back home on these individual bikes?
Am loving that Escape look.
Excellent video!!! The Escape reminds me of my Camp Scrambler, eats up the battery so fast! Of course 13/14ah equals much less range than 17/19ah batteries. When I finally cook my battery, I will replace it with a 19ah!!!! My Rad Runner gets crazy good range, even though it's 14ah, it must have to do with the wimpy 'peak 750' watt motor! Keep up the good work!!!
It's the controller that puts the limit at 750 watts, and Rad does this for legal reasons and battery range. I'm an engineer and I've tested the Rad motor at 1,600 watts continuous. The stock motor took the power so well that I left the test controller on a RadMini 4, and it's a hoot going 0 to 20 mph in 4.9 seconds.
@@Altema22 Thanks for letting me know that, cause I have the 35 amp controller from Bolton on the way!!!!!
@@woodsculptor675 it's addicting, isn't it?!?! :-)
Great, Great Review!
Thank you for this. Most review channels are full of fluff and you just get on this thing and show us what we need to know 👏
I try hahaha 🙂
@@CitizenCycle925 I hope you do more throttle only reviews. Thank you for what you do.
@@splicecentral9079 working on one now actually, the Aventon Aventure bike 😁
@@CitizenCycle925 nice! Man I'm telling you I'm on this Insomnia inducing rabbit hole of what to buy as my first ebike. Something that would somewhat replace a car. I considered aventon but somehow I don't like the aesthetics. And yes, that matters too lol. I'm eyeing the Juiced cross current x and biktrix juggernaut classic. Oh, so many choices lol.
wow great idea for testing, i think ill do the same test on my bolton blackbird so i dont have to worry about range anxiety!
I would be interested to see The outcome.
You earned a subscriber.
hi , I like to say something about my ebikes. One thing is strange, some of them show on computer that battery is empty but when you check it on battery self screen, by pushing button on battery then there is still 30% of power. Another bike show 2 bars on computer but motor was cuttng t off from power. So best way to check battery if is totally empty is little button on battery with led scale. Sometimes communication between battery and computer fails. Btw great videos man !
Awesome video!! Thanks for all the great info you put out there. I am wondering if the smaller Himiway’s battery may not have been maintained properly before you got it? Since it’s kind of a test model bike, who knows how others may have been storing the battery or how old it is. They could’ve had it stored in super cold or hot places. Do you know what kind of cells are in that battery?
I appreciate the time and effort you put in to making your videos. I know these kinds of video take a long time to make, and we only see a very small fraction in the final result. Keep up the great work!
That's a great point, I was also wondering that as well, I have no idea how they maintained the battery before I got it and they are Samsung cells inside.
I did the sam thing with the stock Rad Rover on some rolling hills and got 23 miles, only had one bar left, under 20%. I tried to keep the speed at 18 mph and only turned the pedals over twice when pulling away from stop signs to save the motor.
your 'cool bro' i like your style and personality,i've had my himi step-through since early june and never went more than about 5 miles a day ,but i did notice those bat. bars leaving i'd say just like your 'vid' showed,i'm going to have to finally trying out what you did ,theres a 20+ miles trail where i live,which they put in when they tore up thee central jersey railroad,and it's paved 'flat',so i'll try out my ride on it,i only would ride to the bridge which emptys the lakes in the raritan bay,here in keansburg,n.j.,which is only about 1.8.-2 miles 1 way,but i try to let ya know how i make out,although your vid. basicly covers me ,"MABEY" i'm not impressed with my mileage from out of the box,say happy 'turkey day' to you friendo,like your style...GOD BLESS...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!++++++ pal AL
HEY Thanks so much for giving us some idea as what we can expect from these two bikes >> My question to you isi am 77 years old and YEAH ,,,I'm gonna buy one of these new E bikes . I was really heade into the RAD-BIKE Untill you threw a wrench (IN A GOOD WAY ) into the decision . I now have decided on a HIMIWAY .. I AM A BIG GUY 265LBS Istill get around pretty good .Wife says no more motorcycles had 17 of um . but this is gonna be my new CHOPPER ...
Thanks for your info .
Great Stuff
Could you please do a range test for the modified RadRover? Also, if you do please post the screen settings so those of us who want to copy your “Beast” will know. Thanks Citizen!
Mate, thanks you for that!! Very interesting test. That himiways pretty cool, and ur test jst confirm a few things for me!! LoL! CheeRz Mate!!
Himesyway cruiser the one I liked. Thank you
I hope these companies give you some money. This test is needed for ppl 50+. I’m over 50 broke my femur I needed mostly throttle for two months. Great job buddy
Nope, I don't accept payment or sponsorships at this time. Trying to stay unbiased.
@@CitizenCycle925 I guess I meant was Hiniway is getting the best review for free. They could at the least after this review,send you a $1000,tool set and cabinet. Lol
@@CitizenCycle925 Good for you. I appreciate honesty.
Great video as always.
Something to think about with any perches is customer service.
I have three Himiways two are broke down. Check out the BBB before you buy a bike.
What do you recommend
Nice video. How far can u go pedaling at a high PAS level on the Himiway?
I've built quite a few ebikes and have ridden them for thousands of miles and batt ah is the biggest factor and tire pressure
I should be getting my Himiway step thru cruiser in August. Without throttle are they much harder to peddle than a regular bike?, Thanks for the info.
VERY nice . You just did , what I have been hoping to see someone do . T.Y.... Gubs
Hard to know what the bulk of the ebike community wants to see, but I figured this video would resonate well.
@@CitizenCycle925 Yes , I am sure that is true , except for Distance / mileage . Why "ALL" Ebike reviewers don't have a path , trail , route they use to check "every" Ebike on they test , is borderline ignorance to me . And I mean , what we ALL want to see , without peddling !!!! As soon as I see a " mileage / distance "review where a tester says he is going to peddle , the test and video is done for me . Find a trial , use FULL throttle until it dies . That is the ONLY way to get a good mileage test , using , as much as possible , the same variables . THEN we will know , or have the best idea of COMPARISON'S and Mileage . IMO , this should be done for even the hard radical " off road" Mountain bike . That way we STILL get a good comparison of MILEAGE . Taking them off road and PEDDLING proves NOTHING !!!! ... Sorry brother , but this shit drives me nuts and seems sooooo baseline ..... Thanks again .. Gubs.
I just noticed I bight the same mirrors. They just arrived. I thought they’d come left and Right. I had to take one apart and switch the connection. Was that what I was suppose to do? They also arrived from Amazon in just the box not a box in a box not even taped closed or instructions. I have the Rad Wagon and I really really dislike the Swan sword back handle bars. Any suggestions. The Jones H bar has been out of stock for months. I found something similar but the review said they’er on the skinny side. Great job. And I don’t mind if you don’t answer my Q or take your time. I raparse You Have a Life too.
What is the speed limit set to for this video and does it matter? I feel like you burn through the battery with a higher speed limit.
Nice video. Where did you get those mirrors?
Thank you! Great vid. I'm almost set on the Himiway but my kid wants a wagon. Maybe with a battery upgrade, I can get a Rover near Himiway power level? You planning to do a range test while pedaling? Maybe aim for 50 miles? Either way, subscribed!
Thanks for checking out the video, doing the controller upgrade to the Rad Rover will get it near Himiway power. I probably won't do a pedaling range test it would probably take me 60 to 70 miles to deplete that battery. Appreciate the sub!! 😁
@@CitizenCycle925 thanks👍
Would you do a test run on the Rebel minnie beach cruiser..theres 2 sizes, thank you!
Good testing because my himiway shut off on me halfway but I knew the batteries were low and the display showed but cut out and I walked home and thought it was broken but just needed charging 😅
it's cool, that helps the motor temp i believe
Himiway looks better with each test.
Lot of work for you.
thx
thank you
Hmmmm ..... Very good test but I wonder what the difference would be in July-Aug when it is 100 degrees farenheit in the shade. My rule of broken thumb is 1 to 1.25 miles per amp hour but being conservative and wanting to extend the battery life, I tend call it 1 mile per amp hour.
Did you modify the Cruiser to go past 20mph? if not, can you make it so it only goes 20? I dont know much about this but it feels like if you can max out slower you could conserve battery for more range. Im looking at getting a Cruiser in the next few months, Im a heavy guy and one of the places I want to be able to ride to is about 10 miles each way in rolling hill territory, Id be happy maxing out at 15-20mph for the entirety of the trip.
I love the way the sellers advertise their e-bikes Powerful motor (250w) Massive battery (10.5ah) first hill or head wind the new owner comes across they wonder what's happening.
Yes, and it seems that everybody says their motor is "Powerful" no matter how much it isn't.
Thanks !! Curious about the weather? Does cold weather generally kill the battery quicker?
Almost 30 miles is impressive 👏
Cold weather does decrease battery range, especially with the battery exposed like that. It gets worse when it's below freezing. I have a battery jacket on mine, and it helps.
I would like to ask what mirrors you have on your bikes and where to get them, thanks for a great video, it is helping me decide if I want to order the Hemingway?!?
a lot of my bikes have MZS Tuning mirrors but they changed their product recently and they dont fit well anymore, lately i have been using Hafny bar end mirrors from amazon.
What one has the better ride?
Thanks
would you do a range test on the xp?
I weigh 200 lbs.and get about 25 miles on my Himiway Cruiser with moderate to sometimes full peddle assist, but I never do just throttle only (I actually try to go mid-peddle assist towards the end to conserve battery). These were warmer days as well (50 to 60F). There are hills as I trail ride mostly. I thought I would get more out of the battery though. If I used throttle only and did no peddling I would probably get less than 20. When I got my Himiway bike the voltage in the controller was set to 36V instead of 48v and it caused me to run the battery dead on my first 2 rides (until Himiway instructed me to change the setting to 48v) . I'm wondering if this effected the cells in the Samsung and caused issues with my range? Or do you think this is pretty normal?
That doesn't sound normal to me, unless I'm not understanding how steep the hills are. I'm around 280 and ride in similar weather, about half pavement and half sand/dirt trails with an average amount of long slow hills on both. I'm 70/30 on PAS vs throttle and easily get better range, two 15 mile rides over two days leaves 2/4 lights on the battery which is where I recharge now. I nearly made the same mistake with 36v, I went around 48 miles spread over 4 days on my first charge, and the display only showed 1 bar missing but I noticed it was extremely weak and came home immediately. While it was charging I saw a video mentioning the 36v problem and flipped mine to 48v.
I'm on PAS 4-5 most of the time, depending on if it's a hill. On flat ground even with a larger 50t chain ring I can't comfortably keep up peddling with PAS 5, it just ends up turning the pedals for nothing and that throws me off. My average speed shows around 17mph usually, and I rarely go over 22mph, so that might make a difference?
This needs to be redone for the escape since you had the rear axle bolts loose.
What is the make of the battery on the first bike please?!
I am 6' 1" tall, would the Rad Mini Step Through fit me? I put my seat height at 38.5" from the floor. And Thank You for your wonderful Videos :)
Regular radmini would be better
This is important, because you NEED to know when it's time to turn around and go home. Don't ask me how I know! 😂
I know the feeling. I was on one line in my RAD display on my way home one. I’ll tell you what though,once I recharged my battery,after getting home,my battery performance has never been better. Didn’t ride till it died,but close but Wow what a difference. Just like the day I first rode!
How’s your Tuchus feel at the nd if the ride on the escape?
Lol
Outdoor temperature also effects the battery...
where did you buy the mirrors?
I suppose if you did this in the summer heat, the motor temp would be a lot warmer than it is at 40 degrees.
Why didn't you stop at the stop sign before checking the motor?
Loved the test. I live in Sun City and weigh 320. I would be using this for riding around our subdivision. Will the Himiway Cruiser handle that wt? And what is the approx cost of the Himiway Cruiser? Thank you in advance.
Hi Richard. Right now they're $1499 on the Himiway website, payload capacity is 350 lb you should be good.
I have the Cruiser in Europe but the trottle is limited to 6km/h. How can this speed be increased?
My power meter has NEVER worked but with my pedal assist at level 3 out of 5, I’m averaging 42 miles per charge. It takes at least eight hours to recharge the battery.
Awesome review! For some reason, I still think the Rad mini looks more sexy than the Escape. I wish they painted the battery white, which would make it even sexier.
tilt the camera up unti the speedometer display is ner the bottom of the frame
Kevcentral got more but he is a real bike-guy.
Hello did you test the himiway zebra
Why theThrottle on my step thru makes only 7km?
Cant run full speed.
28.5 is great, you should do the same test next summer when it's above 85
i was wondering how much effect the air temp would have, may have to re-try when i warms up for sure :) thanks for checking out the video and congrats on your channel, i see you just ordered the LectricXP, probably one of the best bang for your buck ebikes out there, great bike, my father has one. Also, i have been considering getting a small drone for filming, but know nothing about them. i wanted one that follows me as a ride. you have any videos on those kind?
@@CitizenCycle925 Most higher end drones have some sort of follow or tracking mode, for you i would go with the mavic air 2 or search best follow me drones or something of that nature. I never was into that stuff but maybe i will try it now because i have about every high end drone on the market. i also pickup up the radrunner and a Jetson Bolt Pro to mess around with. I have not been on a bike in 40 years haha
Hey all. Doesn’t matter if it’s 30 mins after you place an order with Himiway. If you cancel (I tried 26 hours after order on a weekend)...they will charge you 8%. The fact they did this to me really concerns me on longevity/reliability of the bike and any future customer service you might need. Just my two cents. Good luck
If you read the ordering instructions it clearly stated cancelled orders will be charged 10%
@@kevinmcdermott8033 They might’ve updated since my order. Just trying to help. Haven’t come across a company that doesn’t offer a 48 hour cancellation policy (yet) besides Himiway. With that said, they did pay me back after some back and forth...but it took me going to the BBB
@DeathNikki they could do 48 hrs to change your mind without cost. Side note, I found a Himiway Escape on Craigslist from an elder woman. It was too heavy for her. I do really love it but here in Portland, OR I only get about 12-15 miles on throttle. My Rad bike friends are getting almost double. Probably because of the weight
Does it matter what gear you are in?
Pretty good for saving ⛽️
How much difference does tire pressure make in range? I just bought a radmission and the max psi on the tires is 65 wich is what I've been riding it on. I generally only use pas 2 out of 4 and pedal all the time and I've done a few pretty long rides, one of which was about 40km and I only used about half the battery. That seems pretty impressive to me. Would my range drop much if I lowered the pressure for a bit more comfortable ride?
i'm not sure how much difference it would make, my guess would be not that much. and since you pedal a lot and also dont max out the pedal assist, you would probably still have plenty of range. air them down and try it for us :)
I'd like to see a test on how far you can go (Hypermiling) I have not seen anyone do that yet. I have gone a 110 on single charge with 4 rides. I know someone has exceeded that because I still had 2 bars left. I only recharged it because I was going on a planned 60 mile rail/trail ride the next day and knew I couldn't make it on what I had left. Mostly PAS 2 on the Himiway - tried not to use the throttle. Anybody???
I think it’s fair to say if you were on PAS and off the 100% throttle the Escape would go much further just like any other bike. Probably 30-50 percent further. Your thoughts? 💭
Yes it would go further but estimating percentage or distance etc...brings us all right back to the speculation game which this video is trying to avoid. This vid does a good job eliminating the changing variables contributing to range of each bike. This is a baseline test and a good one short of doing it in laboratory conditions. 5 Stars to CitizenCycle for unbiased, truthful facts as a baseline that everyone can then form their opinions from. This is something that has been lacking from most e-bike reviews over the past 4 years as well as our government.
good evening, I have a himiway zebra, and the trottle can only support up to 6 kmh, can you tell me how to change the settings so that the bike can also drive maximum speed with only throttle, thank you Jan Willem
Just search "Citizen Himiway programming" and you'll see my video about how to program Himiway bikes 😁
Running a battery to empty is very hard on total battery life.
It would be great if the larger battery fit in the smaller bike and vise versa. Do they?
batteries are not interchangeable between the Himiway Escape and Cruiser.
Hey, My Himiway finally showed up! Now the weather is bad. Hopefully, soon I can review it. I had it out yesterday after trying to figure out the display, I had it at 39 miles per hour in assist selection 1. I have to figure out what I did wrong.
after 3 years on a 5 year batt. range will all ways shrink...but nothing drastic but your head will recalibrate the batt. bars on the controller..
Good overview. My experience is your butt will make you get off any bike long before you ever come close to exhausting the battery. Even with a cushy seat.
So true! I have a RadMini with dual batteries, and I'll stand up and use the cruise control to give my butt a rest! I don't think I'd survive using up the whole 90 miles of range on one ride, but it is nice going for multiple rides without charging.
Nice range on the Cruiser, disappointing range on the Escape, especially since the Mini with the same battery went way further. The Rad may be less "exciting" in the power delivery, but they do it on purpose, and it beats struggling home like you would with the dead Escape.
I wouldn't worry about the motor at those speeds. The stator windings heat up the most, and at high speed there's enough air tumbling around to pass the heat to the case. Lugging up a long grade at low speed is not healthy though 😉
PS: I did a similar abuse test on my dual battery RadMini, and got 53 miles on one charge. Both batteries together are 29 Ah, and my normal range is 70 to 90 miles.
That's a heck of a range on your rad mini, seems unnecessary, how long do you typically ride at a time? I wish Himiway would have put the 17.5 amp hour battery in the escape as well. Maybe they will start selling a larger one aftermarket. Thanks for the comment! 😁
@@CitizenCycle925 - My shorter rides are are around 14 miles, longer ones are up to 34 miles. The range is overkill for short trips, but I plan on exploring this next summer. There are other benefits to the setup though, like not having to charge for days, less stress on the battery (drains less), and more torque. The extra torque comes from less voltage sag under full throttle, thanks to dual power feeds and 12 gauge wire instead of the original 16. With both batteries full, the throttle sends 1,649 watts to the motor.
What mirrors do you have on your Himiway Step Thru?
they are MZS Tuning brand, bought on amazon. you have to make sure they have rubber inserts though, and not the aluminum.
I'm a big boy so could you load that puppy up to 300lbs and do the same test?
This is like the srkcycles channel for ebikes
That's good range on the cruiser. My Rover with the 35 amp controller, upgraded 750w motor, and the stock battery gives me about 22-23 miles on throttle only (which is how I normally ride).
You made me think about how I describe the upgrades to people. I tell them a stock bike will do 24 mph and at about 12 miles starts dropping the speed two or three mph's then another couple miles per hour around 18 miles and 21 mph... Upgraded I get very close to the same range but the mph starts at 33 mph then drops to 28 mph as the battery drains. So right up until the battery dies completely the top speed with upgrades is 3 mph higher than a stock bike with a fresh battery. The biggest range killer is the 35 amp controller is set up to shut the motor off at 40 amps to save the motor.
A Lot of starting and stopping is going to take some extra juice I think too.. Dead stop take offs.