Most people don't handle "I love Emilia" that well, and I think many people miss the point of it. A major part of Rem's adoration of Subaru stems from his previous actions and "not giving up on anyone", which directly saved her and thus gave her purpose in her life. Rem is in a catch 22 because while she would love to run away with Subaru, Subaru picking Rem over Emilia (particularly in this instance) would mean that Subaru is giving up on Emilia (for whom everyone knows he loves). And not giving up is what draws Rem to Subaru, thus "if we run away together now, I would be leaving behind the Subaru-kun that I love most". In this light, "I love Emilia" can be interpreted as less of a rejection, and more of an affirmation of Subaru filling into the role of the hero that Rem sees, who never ever gives up, including Subaru's adoration of Emilia.
I totally agree. In fact it was Rem who rejected Subaru first. He told her everything she wanted to hear from him and she answered with her love fantasy. But it can't ever be more than a fantasy for her for exactly the reasons you layed out. He opened his heart and gave himself completely into her hands with his will broken and his sould shattered. If she was selfish, she could use his weakest moment to her andvantage and take what she always wanted. But that's not the kind of person Rem is and this Subaru is not the one she wants. His love for her would be selfish, but her love for him is selfless. That's why she'd rather see him happy with Emilia as the Subaru she loves, than as a broken empty shell with her. In the same way Subaru's love for Emilia is also at it's core selfless, even if it became tainted with his flaws creeping up in the last episodes, which is what he embraced at the end. Emilia saved Subaru from his darkness, like he saved Rem. It's heartbreaking but at the same time beautifull.
And that is why my form of checking people's media literacy is how they see this scene . It wasn't "I pick Emilia over rem " it was I choose to not give up on something I love . The quality which rem loves the most in subaru
the problem with this is his "love" of emilia is little more then a fascination at this point and his childish belief he isekai'd into the hero of a story, and she the heroine who will make all the suffering and struggle worth it. she's a touchstone not a love I do believe you're right in part that people who disliked the "i love emilia" disliked it because they liked rem. but i also think a big part of it was how shallow his love for emillia appears to be at this point.
@@arizona_anime_fan Part of that is just due to the nature of going from LN to anime. You miss out alot on Subaru's inner thoughts, especially at pivotal scenes like the lap pillow scene which is where he officially falls in love with her.
@@melumichan To be fair, I think you could make the argument that Subaru's story only really begins here, with everything else being a prologue. It's pretty much what he says himself at the end of the episode after all XD
I really do like that he rejected Rem in this scene. She was genuine with him throughout the episode, if he strung her alone and didn’t make clear how he felt it would be rough.
I firmly believe that episode 18 is the reason rem became so popular. When this episode aired there was an insane tip in the balance of the rezero waifu wars.
I got the English VA to autograph a picture of Subaru because of episode 18. Subaru is overly hated because people don't really like what they see, but Subaru illustrated that he also sees all these things himself and I've never seen a more powerful meltdown in anime before or since. The english VA acted the absolute hell out of the scene too Rem was a real one too, I understand why some people love her so much, and it explains a little bit about why she was so nutso in the OVA praising Subaru so hard. It was funny, but with context it hits a lot harder
1:30:52 I understand that perfectly. This episode changed my life because I saw myself in Subaru's words. Putting on a mask of pride due to being ashamed of yourself, being so young but still feeling that you have wasted your life. When he said "I did nothing" a feeling of shame and regret came over me because that was exactly the way I was living my life. This episode is very divisive because many people focus on "Rem's confession". That is the name by which many people remember it. So when that confession is not reciprocated is the moment where many decide to hate Subaru and the series. They feel the romance is the point and tend to ignore the rest. Almost no one hates the episode because of the discussion, in fact Subaru acknowledging his faults is payoff for most viewers, it's just the last few minutes that tend to upset people. And the point is not to belittle Rem's feelings either. They are a crucial part of making this moment work. The parallel between the two and the development Rem has had makes her the perfect person to have this conversation with Subaru. It's not just "Rem's confession" or "Subaru's episode". The dynamic between the two characters is what allows the message of this episode to be conveyed. It's called "From Zero" because it's about always being able to start over even if we don't have Subaru's power. No matter how many flaws you have or how much you hate yourself, if you are able to recognize that there is something wrong with you then you can decide that you want to change. And yes, deciding that you want to change is not going to fix all your internal and external problems, but in general it is usually one of the few things that we actually have control over. And starting from there is the key to making things better. Subaru isn't perfect after this, it's not like everything about him has changed here. He hasn't become more competent, he hasn't fixed his mental health, he doesn't love himself, but he has finally decided where he wants to take his life. That's why this episode is so beautiful.
Ep 18 is, arguably, Inori Minase's, not just her best performance as Rem, but perhaps her best single episode performance of her career. She absolutely nails it here. Rem knows Subaru loves Emilia from the start, Rem knows Subaru is at rock bottom, but she still wants to be his rock. Great performance. Yuusuke Kobayashi deserves a helluva lot of praise here as Subaru here, too. The two carried the epi with great skill. VA work at its finest.
As an echo of episode 18, there's a certain episode of S2 I cannot wait for Tee to see. Subaru is one of the most interesting characters I came across besides my favorite one (not hard to guess based on my profile) in the medium. Tappei did an excellent job at portraying this type of person, and I use person on purpose, because he feels more than fiction. He feels like people we can, may or have encountered in our lives. Even us, ourselves. It's raw, unfiltered, all too real. It didn't feel like I was seeing a character moment, it felt like I was witnessing a human being in its essence.
A man of taste i see , Churaragi Koyomi, natsuki subaru , i bet you like Hikigaya hachiman , for me its i can't choose between Hikigaya and Subaru , ararararagi comes 2nd
@@totheblue69 Haha. I indeed quite like Hachiman although not as much as the other two. Maybe because I think he stayed too long in that stage where he's kinda off-putting but his growth was amazing to witness!
Been looking forward to the episode 18 reaction so insanely hard -In episode 15 it was said they can’t take the particular road they took now due to fog on the row which means the white whale is around so they took a detour so he arrived early in the morning of the supposed day of the attack -Subaru rejecting rem is probably another reason why people told you beforehand that he’s a bad main character but imo the last thing he could do was being honest to Rem and he was so immediately -It’s interesting he’s convinced people see through his mask but he’s the only one who truly feels this was about himself
Well, to be fair, ever since he's arrived at the capital, he's kept having people see through his mask. Though, it's moreso his old mask that he wore back in our world, rather than the new heroic one that he's unintentionally gained through Return by Death.
@@Birthday888I wouldn’t say how he acted in the capital was like his old self it’s mostly informed by his trauma and abandonment issues he developed through being in a new world and being scared to lose anyone without being able to gain intel through returning by death The royal candidates did lecture him but Crusch said she didn’t want to see him as insignificant and even Priscilla was testing him so they don’t nearly see him in as much as a negative light as he sees himself so no I wouldn’t say people can see through how he really feels about himself, most reactors don’t till he revealed it this episode and some don’t even after it since they focus too much on rem and not Subarus dialogue
Given Subaru's return by death seems to trigger when he chooses the wrong route in a game, it's entirely within the realm of possibility that he lives out the future Rem imagined and on his deathbed he resets to the appa vendor. Now THAT would be some endless eight ass writing (or that TNG episode when Picard learned the flute)
Eh. I disagree on Subaru saying that he's got no more answers or solutions is arrogant of him? Because he's really only talking about himself in that moment. He's not saying that there aren't any ways to solve the situation and that he's thought of every single possible solution, he's solely talking about the things he can do to try and solve the situation. Like, if someone else came by and offered an actual solution to Subaru that he thought could work, I think Subaru would have taken it in a heartbeat. But everyone who he has reached out to simply doesn't believe in him. Like, you mention that he has other options, like trying to better negotiate with the other Royal Candidates, but the reason Subaru can't see those options isn't because of pride. It's pretty much the exact opposite I think. Subaru can't/doesn't see all the other things he could bring to the table because of all of this internalized self-hatred and loathing. I wouldn't call that pride or arrogance.
Hmm... I kinda disagree with you about the time machine situation as well? Like, everytime Subaru loops, it's inherently a traumatizing event for him. I don't think he needs to go through tens of billions of loops in order for his feelings of seeing no way out and giving up to be justifiable.
40:02 I think that's why the witch doesn't let him tell anyone about his power. Another thing that I find interesting about this power is the "checkpoints", because like, who activates them? Subaru unconsciously or the witch, because there will definitely be a challenge in the future that the time to restart and the time for things to go to shit will be too short for Subaru to make a smart choice.
This episode really spoke to me. Finally realizing that you hate everything about yourself, and you would give anything to change it, is only the first step. You either move on, and become someone you can be proud of, or you stay hating yourself until the day you die. But it's so hard to find the strength, and the motivation to make that change and to reach out for the help needed to achieve it, and this episode really shows you that Subaru has support, and he can make it through this. Even if he falls into depression a hundred times, there will always be someone there to help him get back up.
Ep 18 is a universally recognized all timer and for me the first time I realised that the best of Anime, wasn't just infinity shonen and rom coms (my experience up to that point), and was actually cooking up really compelling story telling, Re zero was my 3rd ever anime the first one I watched as it aired and Ep 18 got me hooked on Anime ever since.
EP13 has sold me on ReZero being good. EP15 made my brain tremble. EP18 is just peak. What should be mentioned is that this episode also divided the ReZero community. Suddenly a shipping war broke out because many got hung up on the “I love Emilia” phrase and took it personally that Subaru didn't respond to Rem's feelings. Everything else that was said in the episode was then ignored and the true purpose of this scene was no longer recognized. Only complaints and hatred towards Subaru. On the other side were those who thought “what's wrong with them” because of the shipping war.
1:36:18 If you read the side stories between arc 2 and 3 (There are many) you realize that this is the correct opinion lmao. But seriously, how much the friendship between Emilia and Rem develops in those two months is unreal and and not being able to see that period of time in the anime is a crime.
Basically a okabe rintaro situation, i'd say that okabe from the visual novel is a bit more similar to subaru than the one from the anime adaptation, still two of my two favorite characters to this day. Nice discussion brother EDIT: I remember some piece of dialogue from the steins gate vn that perfectly reflects this situation, from okabe to moeka in the fight scene (you know which one): "You don't kill her in this worldline, and the ones where you do have already been erased, but i remember, i remember everything that never happened". God i love re zero and steins gate
I actually cut a moment just before I talked about 'looping so many times you give up' where I mentioned steins gate by name. Figured the point worked without spoiling a different series
1:30:52 Yeah, I'm one of those people. This episode made me realize how much I related to Subaru's character. Thankfully I think I've improved substantially since then, and this show was part of the impetus for my improvement.
Nothing better than waking up first thing in the morning to a double episode drop of Re Zero! I haven't watched yet so I'm excited to see what he thinks of episode 18, personally it's my favorite of the season.
It is put in a more "poly" light in the web novel at least, but Subaru and Rem are the only ones talking about it so it can't exactly be established without Emilia understanding haha.
Subaru's rejection of Rem is a hotly debated subject within the Re:Zero fandom - and it catalyzed a lot of undue hatred toward the series. There's a lot to be said about it, up to and including details from the novel, but there's one thing that always sticks out to me as most important for understanding it: Rem not only knew Subaru loved Emilia, but likely wanted him to say as much. Rem knew going in that Subaru wasn't over Emilia, and that giving up on her wasn't a result of falling out of love. It follows that, if Rem's goal is for Subaru to remotivate himself and be once again committed to his goals, she would want him state said goals with confidence. Honestly, in my opinion, to not affirm his love for Emilia would be an insult to the effort she put in. Not that I don't feel for her, mind you. In fact, her love being so earnest only makes me want to root for her even more than I already did (which is a lot). As far as shipping goes, if it matters, I would want either a polyamorous end or for Subaru to get with Rem - that's what makes sense to my heart and mind - but I think Subaru said the right thing regardless of that desire. Because of it, even. Besides, it's not like an early rejection during the prologue is enough to knock out someone as spectacular as Rem. She's far too proactive and passionate. On a (slightly) different note, I just want to take a moment and appreciate Rem as a character. Everyone knows Subaru is great - genuinely one of my favorite characters in fiction - but I feel that Rem is often seen as an accessory to him, or as a plot device. Admittedly those takes tend to come out in conversations about the aforementioned shipping, which really isn't surprising, but it's still worth at least mentioning a few things about her that make her great. Primarily, I want to talk about how sincerely bizarre and unwell she is. Her infatuation with Subaru is such that she watches him sleep. She filled a tub with mayonnaise just because he mentioned that he likes it. She has a death wish of sorts, being willing to die for those she cares about without a second thought. Her own lack of self worth mirrors Subaru's in many ways, and even after having her "time restarted" she retains her tendency to overcompensate. She's also still very violent and aggressive - that aggression just happens to be aligned in a pro-Subaru direction now. Critically, Subaru saving her didn't magically fix her. She now relies on him - on his existence - as a sort of coping mechanism, and she retains a lot of her unhealthy thinking patterns. Additionally, her strange behavior doesn't go unnoticed, particularly in regards to her obsessive tendencies. Subaru himself is put off by her watching him sleep. The point being that she's a freak - a total oddball - and to me that makes her significantly more interesting. All of the loyalty, kindness, patience, wisdom, and love would be infinitely less compelling to me if it came from someone untarnished.
Mad respect to Subaru for sticking to the girl he fell for in the beginning. Rem is sweet, but Subaru chose Emilia and Rem knows that. She knew that from the start. So yeah, did you know some people dropped the show after this episode due to shipping wars? Crazy, I know. God forbid an anime MC isn't lusting after every cute girl he meets.
Great Reaction great ending thoughts to leave us with. I'm glad it seems like you really picked up on all the deeper meanings here and in addition gave us some good things to ponder
There is another ''What if'' chapter/story exploring the outcome of Rem accepting Subaru's request to run away. If you've ever seen fan arts of Rem with long hair, it's from that route.
The reason Subaru does not explain himself is Emilia would not consent to leaving the village to die. And they do not have a means to transport everyone quickly. Hence she would never try and leave them. He thought that not explaining him self would at least give him a chance. Also Subaru running away would not necessarily doom the world. Afterall we do not know whether Puck is the strongest being in Re Zero. Subaru is betting on someone like Reinhard defeating and killing Puck before he can destroy the world. Really. Asking for millions of loops. That is just asking too much of some person. It would make more sense if there was a path. It's one thing if you know your attacks are doing some damage. Maybe it is low but you are damaging the boss. The fight might last for 20-30 minutes. Maybe even an hour. But you would win. It is another when your build does so little damage that even with optimal timing it would take days of continuous playtime to defeat the boss. At that point it is basically impossible. So at that point you go do something else and not fight the boss. Same difference. Asking someone to have that much mental endurance is too much.
In case it's not incredibly obvious yet, a lot of Subaru hate comes from self inserters cause Subaru sure as hell isn't a self insert mc. A lot of people couldn't take him rejecting Rem because Rem is THEIR waifu. The problem is, Subaru is an actual character. A character that was brutally tortured (nit in the anime tho) and murdered by Rem while Emilia helped him get through his mental breakdown in the last arc. That's an experience non if us could ever completly relate to so our feeling can't and won't ever match his completly. Btw, nost people chilled out with the Emikia hate in season 2. There's a lot of good stuff for her character.
it's really depressing how much viewers tend to assume that every isekai is going to have a bland, artistically worthless protagonist for people who have no interest in engaging with real stories lmao. like, in fairness, that IS kind of standard for the genre... it's just so disheartening to see that the reason that kind of story flourishes is that yes, somehow there really is a market for it on the bright side, episode 18 is a really helpful tool for deciding whether or not to drop a reaction series
Paused at 1:05:08. This speech from Subaru is truly why I feel he is the character that is most like my true self... the self full of self loathing and that has given up on the ideal known as humanity from others. You keep repeating Pride as if that can be the truth... but it cannot be the truth. Pride means you set yourself over others; while what he is saying and I feel is the reverse of that. Putting ourselves bellow others. In my case I see that othersare more capable in so many ways each and everyone. Its Envy pure and simple. Knowing that changes nothing though. I can say I am no longer sinking deeper without trying to get out of the mire; but knowing the distance is not the same as being able to reach it. I know that I need to repair my self image and confidence. But all I can afford is free; and all I have energy for is virtually nothing. As Subaru says... Its not easy giving up; it requires years of reinforced theory to reach that conclusion and as bias as the learning was it still takes time to unlearn it. I see RE:Zero as the pinicle of explaining how hard life is to change. Its not that Mushoku Tensei does so terribly just that its to unlike my own life on an emotional basis to really synch with me. Episode 18 is where RE:Zero finally made me aware that Subaru's journey could help guide me through my own darkness. Act as Therapy to some extent because His journey out of negative self view could show me a way as well. Showing me pit falls to avoid and things that might shift my POV enough to get others advice better. Episode 18 is also Why I will always argue that Rem is better for Subaru than Emillia; despite not actually caring about the shipping wars. I will argue her just to continue a trolls arguments that I am wrong; why people would argue over such unimportant things is beyond me... like Fantasy Football I just do not get the appeal. Tho in all honesty I think Subaru should marry Betty... she needs someone that could love her for her. I think Subaru could after watching S2.But I digress. These are my fave episodes until S2 comes along with a few I like more.
Really loving the double episodes, for future episodes, i recommend watching 20,21 together , ep19 can be watched solo. (or if you feel like it, you can watch ep19-21 together)
season 2 explains so much that I want to answer your points with... so much it pains me to not spoil you and correct things or mention moments as part of examples. It sucks being incapable of expressing things the way they require being expressed to explain things in the correct order and foster the real understanding.
Many miss the point of the Rem scene because they dont handle rejection very well and handle to much on it. Rem is there to tell Subaru that he is a good person and that he has been doing good things, that he is selffless despire the pain.
The thing that's evident after you've read the novels is that you're missing a lot of context when you can't see into Subaru's mind. The reason why he's so insistent on not explaining himself to Emilia is because he's afraid that he can't reveal too much about his past lives without being gripped by the hands. So when Subaru is frantically trying to get Emilia to leave, that's why he doesn't come right out and explain about the Witch cult. Admittedly it is hit or miss when he actually worries about that though, as sometimes he'll mention something from a past life, like when he tells Crusch about the Witch cult attacking, but he doesn't mention it here to Emilia. Usually when he does mention it though he'll try to be as vague as possible. Edit: This is why he's so defeated when they don't understand him, because he can't figure out how to explain something to them without revealing information that could potentially hurt him, and now after what happens to Emilia, he'll be (and I would be too) afraid of what might happen to those around him if he were to reveal too much. Unfortunately though his thoughts on this subject aren't brought up in the anime. Just imagine the frustration of knowing something awful is going to happen, but you have no way to convince those around you that something is going to happen. This brings us back to Subaru's and Emilia's fight, Subaru knows that she's in danger she has died and he has died trying to protect her, but he couldn't say that and she can't know. I think his desperation and savior complex is honestly earned at this point - because he IS the protagonist, he IS the hero. He's the only one who can fix a situation that would otherwise get everyone killed. He doesn't have any flashy skill to pull it off, but he has to orchestrate events to move things forward. So that pressure and weight obviously got to him, but if he can sort out his emotions and think things through, that's when his true strength may reveal itself; as Rem would put it, his determination to win is his real power, and as he would put it, his weakness.
I mean, also, revealing that he knows the Witch Cult is coming would just increase the amount of suspicion and questions Emilia and the people around him would have for him. At the end of the day, there's really no explanation he could offer that wouldn't boil down to "Trust me, despite the fact that I can't divulge everything."
@@Birthday888 There is one way that I think he could get out of it fairly simply, honestly, though the current Subaru at this point in the anime probably wouldn't come up with it because he doesn't know much about this world yet (AND THIS IS WHERE I SUGGEST ANYONE WANTING TO AVOID ANY KIND OF POTENTIAL SPOILER FOR EVEN MINOR WORLD INFORMATION WOULD LOOK AWAY); He could claim that he has a gift of premonition where he sees the vague possible futures of those around him to a limited time scale. With that simple explanation the people closest to him would likely immediately believe him, especially given his track record already up to this point with getting into and out of situations where any other normal person like him would die very quickly. Since people in this world are often born with gifts that give them otherwise unexplainable powers, I feel like pretty much everyone would believe him within a short time of being around him while he's looping and he knows of things that are happening before anyone else. Edit: This method I think would get past every barrier he has to telling them about his power, because I don't think there's ever been an instance where he hasn't been allowed to talk about the events of a past life, he simply can't talk about the actual mechanism by which he knows.
@@Hirome_Satou Funnily enough. Later in the novels, many character around him basically treat him like he does have premonition MINOR NOVEL SPOILERS Most of the Emilia camp and other characters all believe in Subarus many baseless decisions because they just always worked. Abel and Ceci straight up believe Subaru could see into the future in some way. And Roswaal knows for sure Subaru has some time loop power.
the thing that really gets me about the fandom's ridiculous freakout about Subaru rejecting Rem, that really drives home how unhinged and solipsistic people got about this, is that as this was unfolding in real time i got to watch the entire community go from (rightfully!) criticizing Subaru for acting like Emilia owed him love and loyalty because he helped her out even if she never asked for it, to raging endlessly because they felt that Subaru owed Rem love because she helped him out even if he never asked for it. hell, he even gives her more than he got from Emilia - she doesn't get 'okay let's date' but she DOES get 'okay, i'll support you and care about you and trust and believe in you forever' - and everyone still went ballistic with hypocrisy. absolutely wild stuff lmao
38:10 Your pragmatic logic makes sense, Infact uncertainty about checkpoints is what makes us tell him to bite his tongue. And maybe Subaru's philosophy is to let the life play out because he believes his reset points wont change unless he gets a happy resolution so he as a teen just lets it all play out to get more information out of that life before death because he believes his live to be like a game system.
1:12:53 Finally someone who sees both sides of the coin, everyone always talks about how harsh it is for Subaru to reject Rem, but nobody talks about how important his proposal to run away was to Subaru, even if she denied it for a good reason it doesn't mean it didn't hurt 😭
Imagine how good the fans were eating when they got this episode a mere three weeks after Episode 15, which was still burning bright on the interwebz. Honestly, I forgot where I heard this but Rem actually pulls off a pretty therapist-approved move here. It's said that the human brain can only think about seven things at a time. That's why when the only things going through Subaru's mind are moments that reinforce his self-hatred, Rem stunlocks him by rapid-firing her positivity. It's easy to fall into the corny side when writing a dialogue that spans 20 whole minutes, but Tappei surprisingly manages to avoid it. He really went all-out on writing this arc. So many genre shifts happened in these past couple of episodes and there's only more of them coming. Also, huge props to my guy Subaru for destroying any potential of a canon harem. The "I love Emilia" line was memed to hell and back when it first aired but I'm glad he outright said it because it's the only thing I don't like about my other favorite isekai *wink-wink* Anyway, props to the author, the anime staff and especially the VAs for such a wonderful performance. It's my umpteenth time watching this scene yet I can still gleam new insights from it.
Awesome reaction once more. And man i cant wait for the next ones. Itll be crazy and action filled i promise that much,and i have a strong feeling that your gonna love it. As for rem tho. I dont think she was hurt by subaru rejecting her as she already knew and pretty much expected him to do so. She knows he loves emilia as she said in previous episodes, so rather then being hurt i Think she was happy that he told her honestly what he really feels and didnt mask his true feelings under a mask for her sake like hed usually do. Thats exactly what rem wanted from him in that moment. Still makes you feel bad for her tho as shes such a sweet cinnamon roll who really deserves a Lover amd wholesome future like she described it.
Pragmatism doesn't take into account the amount of trauma that keeps piling on with each death. Subaru doesn't just feel the pain of death but also keeps all the feelings that came with that and it is compounding. Too flippant is right. I do understand the idea of saying, "death is the answer" but would it be good storytelling if he was gunho about doing it? I would even posit that proposing that that is what he should be going for (aka that he shouldn't be running away from the "answer") would also be bad. I think Subaru feels real because he makes the decision that you and I would probably would make in a situtaiton where we are asked to feel unspeakable pain, fear and anguish. He says "I don't wanna" and that makes sense to me. Anything else would feel like a video game character going through the motions and although this situtation in many ways feels like a video game (and it feels like that is your mentality, as in it just makes sense to reset when you mess up) I think it is better to treat it with the weight it deserves.
When i watched the anime released in 2016, me being 18 didn't take the scene of "i love Emilia" well. 4 years later during s2, a rewatch with directors cut made me hate it less and now it just annoys me. Now after all this time I still feel the execution of that line delivery could've been done better. I understand its not easy to change whom you love, that to at a snap. Plus I like how Subaru was direct about it to not get hopes of Rem up. I can justify his delivery somewhat by arguing Subaru isnt good with words at times & very direct, like he hasnt had many social interactions... you know, almost as if he was an hikikomori otaku NEET... but i still am annoyed at the line delivery.
@@alikaci how is this a spoiler? i am literally talking about what happened earlier in the city. also what's "last warning" supposed to mean? i've never heard anything from you! and i've never been warned
@@Onii-chanIsWatchingYou I am talking about the other comment that you left about Betelgeuse. I am letting you know that I have had to delete your comments a few times due to unmarked spoilers hidden as "fun facts" or LN info. If you want to discuss about stuff that happens later in the show, do not address Tee directly and leave a large space in your comment with a heading (e.g. SPOILER: [Comment]) And to let you know, I am a mod on the Discord and on CZcams. So consider this as your warning I guess (even though you shouldn't need one!)
Paused at 39:55. Not wrong but misses the point entirely. The point in this case that matters most is that Subaru has no known control over said reset point. At least at this point in the series. Ask yourself about the first ten reset points of Subaru... Thats right you can't... Apple stall guy just before the theft and after the start point. Mansion bed after Bettys first interaction. somewhere in the small town after Rem saves him. Now Once more in the market but while Rem is alone with him; after the fight with Emillia and your being used as a whipping boy. Thats 4 start points and very little connects all 4 if anything does in the first place. So Why those 4 points or the next 2-5 that I know... my bad the next 6 thanks to my question. If you do a day count of others POV that Subaru has been alive... you realize how lil time has passed for others? So its not remembering a boss fight to use your analogy its actually remembering a Dungeon Raid as your a member among a party of 24 and you must Shio from Log Horizon the thing by remembering each detail of all involved and each monster on top of the boss and not only the most common patterns but each pattern of each thing and each location. All perfectly organized and filed so others that come after you can follow in your foot steps. Thats the problem with choosing death. Its way to shallow of a decision to just default to. You need each life to count for the max value; if you get stuck in a place as alive and being experiemented on; sure it sucks. But whats worse still is the thought that maybe you died before learning critical info that could of saved anyone. Being held against your will is horrendous but ultimately it makes things not your fault. Choice was removed so its not your court anymore. But choosing to not know more means actively giving up on those you could save. Since you cannot fathom why each moment is not a reset point then all you can do is be optimistic about it and forge your path forward however you can. Personally I would NEED to IMMEDIATELY figure out all the rules to this terribly inconvenient power so I could make the most of it. But man would the training suck.
Subaru: "Are... you puck?" Puck: "Can't you tell ?" Puck: "Maybe its cruel of me to ask that" of course the first time i saw this , i didn't think there's any deeper meaning here but now I am questioning his word choice of "CRUEL" there! as far as in this loop he didn't do anything cruel to him! did he?? he did that in 15 So maybe he knows ??!! Puck knows theory started from here??? PS: Natsuki Subaru VA doesn't get better than this EP18 , really looking forward to his hero speech
Ok this is going to be a big talk I dont know if you remember but i write a comment back then in your watch of the ova of Mushoku Tensei, the one with the mage prodigy, i write you about how a lot of people treat me like a prodigy of math Well... a lot of thing happen since then, i when you start watching Re Zero i knew i want you to write about this, about what happen, i just wanted to wait to this episode, to this especifycaly this epsiode I will start: A year of two i was in college, and the pandemic take a toll of me in the form of the classes via Zoom or Teams (Basically school from home via stream) it was more convenient, a lot of time safe, but... i start to feel like i wasnt learing anything, even after the normal classes resume i feel myself slowing down... i begin to forget what i learn in the semesters i pass already and i only pass the current one by luck or my classmates doing most of the work... I wasnt learing anything, and i was failing my grades a lot... and then... i didnt feel like trying anymore, i begin to feel like it didnt matter to me, i didnt work at all... i think i was passing for a depression, especificaly a mid 20s depression... i was 25 years old and still struggling in college, failing a lot and dont going foward, i think i didnt even enyoy my carrer anymore, but... i didnt want to give up, my mind was telling me to give up to stop feeling this... and my passion about my dream, about my reason to live was fading, and it scared me... so last summer i got back up, i refuse to give up and try again to put the efford and begin to work in my proyects and... it was late... i fail a 3th time the same subject, and by the rules of teh univeristy i was kick out of it... i have see a lot of my schoolmates drop out, more the half of them, my college career was one of the more dificult there was (it was multimedia and digital animation), 7 years of my life spending in that college... gone... i didnt give up... i was forced to give up... i feel awful... and to this day i try to not think to much about it because i know i am going to bad rabbit hole of desperation, adn i dont need it right now... even after that... i still didnt give up, i knew about another collegue with a similar theme but more centralize in what i want... i wanted to try to get a job to help to pay for it, because it cost a lot more that my previous college but... almost 5 months passed and i got nothing... i was truly a Nini.. and everyday i feel worst and worst I know i write a lot about a lot of thing there are still a lot of emotions about this that i miss to say (And without saying that subplot with my best friend, that is another cane of worms) but all i can say is, i wont gve up, i and just tthis dayo stubburn and hardhead to do it, but i want to make my dream come true, i finally start going to that new college, the day you are uploading this video i start my second day in it, and i am enyoy it I dont like to give up, not of life, not in me dream, it just... dont suit me to give up
Love Charity Justice Prudence Frugality Paitence Temperance The 7 virtues if I remember them correctly. Not sure about Prudence and Paitence... but I digress. Whats important for now is Love. Love granted him Sloth... think of that phrasing. A virtue granted a Sin? So what about other Sins? Does Paitence grant Wrath its power? Can Charity be Gluttonys giver of power? How does this work? Is Pride Justified? Is Envy Prudent? Is Lust Frugal? Does Greed have Temperance? However they pair the real question is both IF and why. In short is Subaru meant to be a pure hearted Sinner that learns the virtues and overcomes the Sins? Not sure but it does make one wonder.
Love can generate both virtues and vices, as while virtue is defined as an orderly habit that seeks good, vice is a disorderly habit that also seeks good. In both cases, the person is seeking, to a greater or lesser degree, something they like/love. A virtue can become a vice when there is an excess or lack of what it represents, for example, the lack of courage leads to cowardice, while an excess leads to recklessness. Both the coward and the reckless act out of love (disordered) for something and, ultimately, for themselves; the coward does not exercise courage because they fear the consequent result of their action, while the reckless acts imprudently aiming to achieve the good that prompted them to act, without considering the consequences of their action. Ultimately, all virtues are children of prudence (seeking good through the straight/ordered path), while all vices are children of pride (disorderly pursuit of good to satisfy one's own will). Therefore, it is not virtue that originated vice, but the disorderly will that, not submitting to reason, acts passionately and disorderly; virtue/vice is the mere practical manifestation of the will, and therefore, no, envy is not prudent just as lust is not frugal, as they are modes of action, essentially, antagonistic.
@@yagami_tatsuya I agree in terms of reality. In terms of RE:Zero's themes I am not convinced yet. As a case where the virtue is twisted into the Sin. Beetlejuice (never remember the correct spelling) for instance had his love twisted into him not wanting to do things because of it, Love reinforcing his Sin Power. So my comment was more so about the other Arch Bishops of the other Sins. What virtues are twisted into supporting each Sin. If you have read the source then you'd know better than me.I have just watched S1 and 2 and the Emilia back ground movie.
Paused at 1:22:56. I still say Envy fits better. The POV is not about how much Subaru knows; its about why he felt he could not think of more. As unreasonable as it is look at all the amazing people around him all being selfish or at least demanding more than an obviously end of rope person could offer. Crush is a military force... now if Subaru was clear sighted in the first go through then he simply had no way of knowing what she would want. Yes you can argue that asking straight is an option but would she truly offer the truth? No shes to guarded. At the first visit to Priscila; did Subaru really have the experience to know what she truly was like... NO. He could not have met her on even ground. Same goes for Hoshi and same is true of Feldt and others. In short the truth is he had no options; BUT that is where Return by death trumps most every other ability. If your Mad as a Hatter and throw shit against the walls to see what sticks enough metaphorically; you can learn all that. At life 3 tho all that can be said is that Subaru has a sliver of usable info... but if it had been IRL he would of failed to see things fully enough. Lets not kid ourselves Subaru is fleshed out proper but most side characters are not so far. Why would Crush help Subaru assuming he has any knowledge she would want. She has known him for far to short a time to expect trust; on top of which Emilia going down would benefit her to much... rinse repeat for the others. What can Subaru do to change things enough realistically? Nothing really. Lukily its not realistic its a story so Main Characters must succeed more often than fail when it truly counts and things fall into place somehow. That is how Stories work that have good vs bad in them. Otherwise they'd fail to entertain properly because things would end to quickly as they do in reality.
And finally, we hit rock bottom. Or to use the show's phrasing, we hit square zero. As someone that's been through my own journey with figuring crap out and seen others on their journey, rock bottom really is a special place. Up until that point, you can use all manner of denial and deflection and other psychological tricks (subconscious or otherwise) and try and pretend that there are no problems or that they're not as serious as they seem. But once you truly, seriously hit rock bottom, it all fades away and all you have left are the things you were turning away from all along. And since they're your only company, for the first time, you start to actually look at them face-to-face. See the ugliness, the stupidity, the arrogance, and whatever else lies in that messy blob of imperfections. Finally, you start to accept your flaws. And Subaru certainly accepts his, going a bit too far in fact, which is also something that seems typical of someone that finds themselves in rock bottom. Once you finally drop your guard and let the door open only for a deluge of flaws and imperfections to fill the room that is your mind, it starts to seem like the flaws are all there are. "I'm worthless. I can't do anything. I screw up everything I try to do. Everyone hates me. I've never done a single good thing for anyone. I've been a jerk to everyone that knows me." ad infinitum. They're based on some truth but they're exaggerations of it. And now instead of ignoring all the bad stuff, you start ignoring all the good stuff. It's almost like an over-correction after a lifetime of under-correction. And honestly, if you don't have anyone to give you a reality check and show you a way out of rock bottom, you might just stay stuck there for a long while. Thankfully, Subaru has Rem. I've recently been learning a lot about the best way to get through to people, especially ones that stubbornly reject outside points of view, and I think Rem exemplifies the best way (that I know of) to get through to these kinds of people . And that is to not engage with their arguments. You don't start a debate and counter every single point they make, trying to make them see the error of their ways through a bunch of well-reasoned arguments. No, that hardly ever works, not when you're dealing with someone that's internalized a certain belief or system of beliefs to the extent that they consider it immutable and irrefutable. Which is why what Rem does is brilliant. Instead of refuting what he says, she simply tells him what she believes (weeeeeell, she tries refuting him at first but eventually, she changes her approach). She doesn't tell him that he's wrong, or that he actually totally does have value and he's just being dismissive of all his positive qualities, and if he would just think a bit more calmly about it, that he would get it. Instead, she just says what *she thinks of him* and lists the positive qualities that *she sees* in him. None of it is denying what he said, it's just offering a different perspective, which is just as subjective and potentially flawed as Subaru's own. But it works so much better. Because he's not being denied directly but he's still being offered a perspective that conflicts with his own, he still ends up lashing out and tries to shut down Rem's opinion as hard as he can and reiterates his own opinion, and claims that she just doesn't know him as well as he himself does. And Rem, again being the bigger person, doesn't call out his behavior as being wrong per se, she just reiterates that whatever Subaru might think of himself, other people have their own opinions of him and there is absolutely no reason why their opinions would be invalid if they don't match with Subaru's opinion. And that's what works. It's not a refutation but an alternative perspective, one that Subaru could easily choose to ignore if he so wished, but one that he *feels the need* to reject. Which is what makes it powerful. And which is why it gets through to him. All this to say that when I first watched this episode, I low-key loved it but couldn't really explain why but now that I'm watching it as a slightly more experienced person, I high-key love it and I could go on for ages about everything that I love about it. And THIS is why I love negative character development arcs. There's just something extra special about seeing a person go through the worst of it, where the worst of it is mostly internal problems (although Re: Zero certainly has its fair share of external problems that both make it more engaging to watch but also often drive the internal problems), and then make it through to a better place mentally/emotionally/spiritually. It's probably the same reason I like redemption arcs so much. "You can be a terrible and/or flawed person, hit rock bottom, and still come out the other side a better and improved person (at least internally and internal change often always leads to external change)" is just such a powerful and fundamentally hopeful and positive message that I just can't help but be moved by it. OHHHH, and can I just mention that when Rem goes on about how Subaru only sees himself as he perceives himself and doesn't think about how Rem sees him, it's like a positive inversion of the entire argument with Subaru and Emilia where he only saw the Emilia that he wanted to see? In that case, he only saw an idealized version of Emilia instead of the real Emilia. And in this, he's seeing an idealized *worst* version of himself instead of the real him. And Rem just lists out what she sees and how that doesn't seem to match at all with his version of himself. Damn, I never really caught that until now. God, this show is so well-written, I love it so much.
Regarding Puck ending the world it might not be so stupid of Subaru to think he can avoid it - because Reinhard still exists, the absolute OP that should stop threat like unleashed Puck before it causes too much damage to the kingdom and the world. By that logic, Subaru running far away with Ren to Kararagi isn't the dumbest idea, I believe there is even a "What If" story by the author describing that.
exactly. it's the sloth if. tee forgets that puck is not the pinnacle of power in this world. he is a spirit not some kind of god that can destroy the world just because he says "i will destroy the world"
I still find that people disliking Subaru after the rejection scene to be valid. I get where they're coming from. Else we wouldn't have an alternate route where he chooses Rem.
Wdym? The Sloth if story wasn’t written because people disliked the rejection, it was written because this is one of the several turning points in the series, which also got their own if stories. To reduce it to mere pandering is just wrong.
Well just because Puck says he will destroy the world doesn't mean he can. Does his area of effect really extend to the edges of the world, or is there time for other monsters such as himself to appear and dispose of him before all of it is lost? Puck seems like an endgame monster but even here he talks about how the White Whale is closing in, and it seems to be somewhat of an endgame monster as well..
The little big Puckie can now be considered to be the trumph card that Emilia talked about during the fight with Elsa~ "I do have one, but if I use it only I will remain..."
@@subarusama5673 I'll get a bit spoilery here but: Puck actually blocks Emilia from using normal magic with his contract with her. I think it was something like that he didn't want her to grow up conceited by the amount of magic she possessed. So until S2 when the contract is broken and she sees herself use magic in the trials she is unaware of her own talent. This is later something that she has to train up in the year to S3. I assume that you mean the iceblood-crystals, but Puck is the one that uses that during the movie, not Emilia.
Just when you thought it can't get any worse... 🚩💀🚩 But wait there's more!🚩💀🚩 In the world of Re0, Sometimes we don't just rub salt in the wound, Sometimes we rinse with sulfuric acid and debride it with a nest of fire ants. Staggering that one step further on in the vain Hope that it can't possibly get any worse, to the realization that you can't possibly be more wrong is NEXT level (thank you, Nicholas Cage) hubris that Subaru pulls off so well. Subaru's plan to Nope out of the situation runs into the same problem He and Emelia have with each other: " The me that lives in your heart is so much more than I could ever be " Even more so than the night at the travel inn, or the broken crawl in the shattered cave, Rem Reveals how much she has really really really thought about it. Her bridal bug out plan is well thought out and fully detailed... Far beyond subaru's instinct to just run. But she can't let him do that. Because the Him that lives in her heart is so much more than what he believes of himself.... But she is not wrong. 🤔 Blinded by pain amd trauma, Subaru can only see himself in the mirror darkly. His flaws loom in stark relief, And his reopened wounds are too fresh, too raw. So after a confession for the ages where she rejects his reality and substitutes her own, Throwing him a lifeline in the shark-infested waters of self recrimination and despair.... The worst thing he can do is say no right? Right?! 🤬 Well let's try again... from zero... Now, with a new light of determination in his eyes
When i First saw eps 18, I was crying through the entire rem scenes and when he said I like Emilia, i wanted to punch him. BUT, as i continued watching next season, there is a small scene where the background will let you know his entire reasoning behind him saying that and it all clicked and I wasn't even mad at him lmaooo. I was like fair enough subaru ahahha. Dont press read more if you havent seen that scene next season. I saw all his silver hair figurines in his irl home and it all clicked, he just said that cause he has had a huge preference lmfaooo, hahaha, it was soo funny to me, i couldnt even be mad at him lolll.
I mean... Subaru has been sadistically murdered by Rem and that Emilia was the first person he was able to interact with without the shadow of his father or his past hanging over him. Or the fact that Rem acknowledges that the Subaru she fell in love with was the one who never gave up, and that giving up on Emilia would be Subaru giving up and failing to live up to her image of Subaru. Hurr durr, waifu wars, let's go. XD
@@Birthday888 ooooou, great take! i didnt even think of the never giving up angle would mean never giving up emilia, makes sense but i still like my reasoning just cause ALL his figurines are silver haired lmaoo. Im too old for waifu wars lmfaoooo XDDD
@@MalkuthSephira a LOT! of over exaggeration and me watching this anime 7 years ago has resulted in both the statements you read above loll. Reading my comment back I did cringe a little loll my bad I’ll edit it
Most people don't handle "I love Emilia" that well, and I think many people miss the point of it. A major part of Rem's adoration of Subaru stems from his previous actions and "not giving up on anyone", which directly saved her and thus gave her purpose in her life. Rem is in a catch 22 because while she would love to run away with Subaru, Subaru picking Rem over Emilia (particularly in this instance) would mean that Subaru is giving up on Emilia (for whom everyone knows he loves). And not giving up is what draws Rem to Subaru, thus "if we run away together now, I would be leaving behind the Subaru-kun that I love most".
In this light, "I love Emilia" can be interpreted as less of a rejection, and more of an affirmation of Subaru filling into the role of the hero that Rem sees, who never ever gives up, including Subaru's adoration of Emilia.
I totally agree.
In fact it was Rem who rejected Subaru first. He told her everything she wanted to hear from him and she answered with her love fantasy. But it can't ever be more than a fantasy for her for exactly the reasons you layed out. He opened his heart and gave himself completely into her hands with his will broken and his sould shattered. If she was selfish, she could use his weakest moment to her andvantage and take what she always wanted.
But that's not the kind of person Rem is and this Subaru is not the one she wants. His love for her would be selfish, but her love for him is selfless. That's why she'd rather see him happy with Emilia as the Subaru she loves, than as a broken empty shell with her.
In the same way Subaru's love for Emilia is also at it's core selfless, even if it became tainted with his flaws creeping up in the last episodes, which is what he embraced at the end. Emilia saved Subaru from his darkness, like he saved Rem.
It's heartbreaking but at the same time beautifull.
And that is why my form of checking people's media literacy is how they see this scene . It wasn't "I pick Emilia over rem " it was I choose to not give up on something I love . The quality which rem loves the most in subaru
the problem with this is his "love" of emilia is little more then a fascination at this point and his childish belief he isekai'd into the hero of a story, and she the heroine who will make all the suffering and struggle worth it. she's a touchstone not a love
I do believe you're right in part that people who disliked the "i love emilia" disliked it because they liked rem. but i also think a big part of it was how shallow his love for emillia appears to be at this point.
@@arizona_anime_fan Part of that is just due to the nature of going from LN to anime. You miss out alot on Subaru's inner thoughts, especially at pivotal scenes like the lap pillow scene which is where he officially falls in love with her.
Congratulations, Teeaboo, you've just finished the prologue of Re:Zero!
Its not a prologue. Prologue was only ep 1-3
@@trickytrock8924 it was an ironic comment to make fun of FBI. I know it wasn't a prologue.
@@melumichan To be fair, I think you could make the argument that Subaru's story only really begins here, with everything else being a prologue. It's pretty much what he says himself at the end of the episode after all XD
@@trickytrock8924dude, everyone makes this comment cuz this is the name drop of the series & from here all the basic setup is done.
@@melumichan I do not know what this "FBI" is, but it sounds disappointing.
I really do like that he rejected Rem in this scene. She was genuine with him throughout the episode, if he strung her alone and didn’t make clear how he felt it would be rough.
I most appreciated that he did it immediately and didn't drag it out
stakes are indeed getting crazy...
I firmly believe that episode 18 is the reason rem became so popular. When this episode aired there was an insane tip in the balance of the rezero waifu wars.
man those days back in 2016 were peak life in the anime community
I got the English VA to autograph a picture of Subaru because of episode 18. Subaru is overly hated because people don't really like what they see, but Subaru illustrated that he also sees all these things himself and I've never seen a more powerful meltdown in anime before or since. The english VA acted the absolute hell out of the scene too
Rem was a real one too, I understand why some people love her so much, and it explains a little bit about why she was so nutso in the OVA praising Subaru so hard. It was funny, but with context it hits a lot harder
genuinely one of the best scenes in any anime. imo this episode was where the show went from amazing (episode 13 locked that in) to masterpiece
1:30:52 I understand that perfectly. This episode changed my life because I saw myself in Subaru's words. Putting on a mask of pride due to being ashamed of yourself, being so young but still feeling that you have wasted your life. When he said "I did nothing" a feeling of shame and regret came over me because that was exactly the way I was living my life.
This episode is very divisive because many people focus on "Rem's confession". That is the name by which many people remember it. So when that confession is not reciprocated is the moment where many decide to hate Subaru and the series. They feel the romance is the point and tend to ignore the rest. Almost no one hates the episode because of the discussion, in fact Subaru acknowledging his faults is payoff for most viewers, it's just the last few minutes that tend to upset people. And the point is not to belittle Rem's feelings either. They are a crucial part of making this moment work. The parallel between the two and the development Rem has had makes her the perfect person to have this conversation with Subaru. It's not just "Rem's confession" or "Subaru's episode". The dynamic between the two characters is what allows the message of this episode to be conveyed. It's called "From Zero" because it's about always being able to start over even if we don't have Subaru's power. No matter how many flaws you have or how much you hate yourself, if you are able to recognize that there is something wrong with you then you can decide that you want to change. And yes, deciding that you want to change is not going to fix all your internal and external problems, but in general it is usually one of the few things that we actually have control over. And starting from there is the key to making things better.
Subaru isn't perfect after this, it's not like everything about him has changed here. He hasn't become more competent, he hasn't fixed his mental health, he doesn't love himself, but he has finally decided where he wants to take his life. That's why this episode is so beautiful.
Ep 18 is, arguably, Inori Minase's, not just her best performance as Rem, but perhaps her best single episode performance of her career. She absolutely nails it here. Rem knows Subaru loves Emilia from the start, Rem knows Subaru is at rock bottom, but she still wants to be his rock. Great performance.
Yuusuke Kobayashi deserves a helluva lot of praise here as Subaru here, too. The two carried the epi with great skill. VA work at its finest.
*Inori Minase
@@derpderp283 thanks for that!
Inori is incredibly underrated and I will die on that hill, even people who know a lot of seiyuus only know her as "Rem's VA" and not by name
The English VAs also went HARD to match that energy. It was a difficult scene to act, but they took it seriously
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Episode 18 holds a very special place in my heart. It blew me away the first time I saw it. Powerful, powerful stuff.
As an echo of episode 18, there's a certain episode of S2 I cannot wait for Tee to see. Subaru is one of the most interesting characters I came across besides my favorite one (not hard to guess based on my profile) in the medium. Tappei did an excellent job at portraying this type of person, and I use person on purpose, because he feels more than fiction. He feels like people we can, may or have encountered in our lives. Even us, ourselves. It's raw, unfiltered, all too real. It didn't feel like I was seeing a character moment, it felt like I was witnessing a human being in its essence.
A man of taste i see , Churaragi Koyomi, natsuki subaru , i bet you like Hikigaya hachiman ,
for me its i can't choose between Hikigaya and Subaru , ararararagi comes 2nd
@@totheblue69 Haha. I indeed quite like Hachiman although not as much as the other two. Maybe because I think he stayed too long in that stage where he's kinda off-putting but his growth was amazing to witness!
The episode that we're all waiting for, let's be honest. also, Happy rezero day !
Been looking forward to the episode 18 reaction so insanely hard
-In episode 15 it was said they can’t take the particular road they took now due to fog on the row which means the white whale is around so they took a detour so he arrived early in the morning of the supposed day of the attack
-Subaru rejecting rem is probably another reason why people told you beforehand that he’s a bad main character but imo the last thing he could do was being honest to Rem and he was so immediately
-It’s interesting he’s convinced people see through his mask but he’s the only one who truly feels this was about himself
Well, to be fair, ever since he's arrived at the capital, he's kept having people see through his mask. Though, it's moreso his old mask that he wore back in our world, rather than the new heroic one that he's unintentionally gained through Return by Death.
@@Birthday888I wouldn’t say how he acted in the capital was like his old self it’s mostly informed by his trauma and abandonment issues he developed through being in a new world and being scared to lose anyone without being able to gain intel through returning by death
The royal candidates did lecture him but Crusch said she didn’t want to see him as insignificant and even Priscilla was testing him so they don’t nearly see him in as much as a negative light as he sees himself so no I wouldn’t say people can see through how he really feels about himself, most reactors don’t till he revealed it this episode and some don’t even after it since they focus too much on rem and not Subarus dialogue
This Rem scene never fails to make me cry T_T It's so beautiful.
Given Subaru's return by death seems to trigger when he chooses the wrong route in a game, it's entirely within the realm of possibility that he lives out the future Rem imagined and on his deathbed he resets to the appa vendor. Now THAT would be some endless eight ass writing
(or that TNG episode when Picard learned the flute)
Eh. I disagree on Subaru saying that he's got no more answers or solutions is arrogant of him? Because he's really only talking about himself in that moment. He's not saying that there aren't any ways to solve the situation and that he's thought of every single possible solution, he's solely talking about the things he can do to try and solve the situation. Like, if someone else came by and offered an actual solution to Subaru that he thought could work, I think Subaru would have taken it in a heartbeat. But everyone who he has reached out to simply doesn't believe in him.
Like, you mention that he has other options, like trying to better negotiate with the other Royal Candidates, but the reason Subaru can't see those options isn't because of pride. It's pretty much the exact opposite I think. Subaru can't/doesn't see all the other things he could bring to the table because of all of this internalized self-hatred and loathing. I wouldn't call that pride or arrogance.
Hmm... I kinda disagree with you about the time machine situation as well? Like, everytime Subaru loops, it's inherently a traumatizing event for him. I don't think he needs to go through tens of billions of loops in order for his feelings of seeing no way out and giving up to be justifiable.
40:02 I think that's why the witch doesn't let him tell anyone about his power. Another thing that I find interesting about this power is the "checkpoints", because like, who activates them? Subaru unconsciously or the witch, because there will definitely be a challenge in the future that the time to restart and the time for things to go to shit will be too short for Subaru to make a smart choice.
This episode really spoke to me. Finally realizing that you hate everything about yourself, and you would give anything to change it, is only the first step. You either move on, and become someone you can be proud of, or you stay hating yourself until the day you die. But it's so hard to find the strength, and the motivation to make that change and to reach out for the help needed to achieve it, and this episode really shows you that Subaru has support, and he can make it through this. Even if he falls into depression a hundred times, there will always be someone there to help him get back up.
Ep 18 is a universally recognized all timer and for me the first time I realised that the best of Anime, wasn't just infinity shonen and rom coms (my experience up to that point), and was actually cooking up really compelling story telling, Re zero was my 3rd ever anime the first one I watched as it aired and Ep 18 got me hooked on Anime ever since.
The episode that launched a thousand, thousand Rem shippers that were disappointed immediately
EP13 has sold me on ReZero being good. EP15 made my brain tremble. EP18 is just peak.
What should be mentioned is that this episode also divided the ReZero community. Suddenly a shipping war broke out because many got hung up on the “I love Emilia” phrase and took it personally that Subaru didn't respond to Rem's feelings.
Everything else that was said in the episode was then ignored and the true purpose of this scene was no longer recognized. Only complaints and hatred towards Subaru.
On the other side were those who thought “what's wrong with them” because of the shipping war.
1:36:18 If you read the side stories between arc 2 and 3 (There are many) you realize that this is the correct opinion lmao. But seriously, how much the friendship between Emilia and Rem develops in those two months is unreal and and not being able to see that period of time in the anime is a crime.
Easily my favorite episode thus far, and it shakes me to my core in ways few stories have. IT IS easy to give up, but it doesn't suit us...
peak has arrived.
Basically a okabe rintaro situation, i'd say that okabe from the visual novel is a bit more similar to subaru than the one from the anime adaptation, still two of my two favorite characters to this day. Nice discussion brother
EDIT: I remember some piece of dialogue from the steins gate vn that perfectly reflects this situation, from okabe to moeka in the fight scene (you know which one):
"You don't kill her in this worldline, and the ones where you do have already been erased, but i remember, i remember everything that never happened".
God i love re zero and steins gate
I actually cut a moment just before I talked about 'looping so many times you give up' where I mentioned steins gate by name. Figured the point worked without spoiling a different series
@@Teeaboo Eeh at this point if someone hasn't seen steins gate just fuck em, you can't please everyone
1:30:52 Yeah, I'm one of those people. This episode made me realize how much I related to Subaru's character. Thankfully I think I've improved substantially since then, and this show was part of the impetus for my improvement.
Nothing better than waking up first thing in the morning to a double episode drop of Re Zero! I haven't watched yet so I'm excited to see what he thinks of episode 18, personally it's my favorite of the season.
Also, congrats Mr Teea, You just finished the Prologue of the series 🙂
It is put in a more "poly" light in the web novel at least, but Subaru and Rem are the only ones talking about it so it can't exactly be established without Emilia understanding haha.
Subaru's rejection of Rem is a hotly debated subject within the Re:Zero fandom - and it catalyzed a lot of undue hatred toward the series. There's a lot to be said about it, up to and including details from the novel, but there's one thing that always sticks out to me as most important for understanding it: Rem not only knew Subaru loved Emilia, but likely wanted him to say as much. Rem knew going in that Subaru wasn't over Emilia, and that giving up on her wasn't a result of falling out of love. It follows that, if Rem's goal is for Subaru to remotivate himself and be once again committed to his goals, she would want him state said goals with confidence. Honestly, in my opinion, to not affirm his love for Emilia would be an insult to the effort she put in.
Not that I don't feel for her, mind you. In fact, her love being so earnest only makes me want to root for her even more than I already did (which is a lot). As far as shipping goes, if it matters, I would want either a polyamorous end or for Subaru to get with Rem - that's what makes sense to my heart and mind - but I think Subaru said the right thing regardless of that desire. Because of it, even. Besides, it's not like an early rejection during the prologue is enough to knock out someone as spectacular as Rem. She's far too proactive and passionate.
On a (slightly) different note, I just want to take a moment and appreciate Rem as a character. Everyone knows Subaru is great - genuinely one of my favorite characters in fiction - but I feel that Rem is often seen as an accessory to him, or as a plot device. Admittedly those takes tend to come out in conversations about the aforementioned shipping, which really isn't surprising, but it's still worth at least mentioning a few things about her that make her great. Primarily, I want to talk about how sincerely bizarre and unwell she is. Her infatuation with Subaru is such that she watches him sleep. She filled a tub with mayonnaise just because he mentioned that he likes it. She has a death wish of sorts, being willing to die for those she cares about without a second thought. Her own lack of self worth mirrors Subaru's in many ways, and even after having her "time restarted" she retains her tendency to overcompensate. She's also still very violent and aggressive - that aggression just happens to be aligned in a pro-Subaru direction now.
Critically, Subaru saving her didn't magically fix her. She now relies on him - on his existence - as a sort of coping mechanism, and she retains a lot of her unhealthy thinking patterns. Additionally, her strange behavior doesn't go unnoticed, particularly in regards to her obsessive tendencies. Subaru himself is put off by her watching him sleep. The point being that she's a freak - a total oddball - and to me that makes her significantly more interesting. All of the loyalty, kindness, patience, wisdom, and love would be infinitely less compelling to me if it came from someone untarnished.
Mad respect to Subaru for sticking to the girl he fell for in the beginning. Rem is sweet, but Subaru chose Emilia and Rem knows that. She knew that from the start. So yeah, did you know some people dropped the show after this episode due to shipping wars? Crazy, I know. God forbid an anime MC isn't lusting after every cute girl he meets.
Ep 18 is like a litmus test for me with reactors.
Now the show really started.
Great Reaction great ending thoughts to leave us with.
I'm glad it seems like you really picked up on all the deeper meanings here and in addition gave us some good things to ponder
There is another ''What if'' chapter/story exploring the outcome of Rem accepting Subaru's request to run away. If you've ever seen fan arts of Rem with long hair, it's from that route.
Does anyone know why Mushoku tensei reactions for the s2 part 2 arent coming?
The reason Subaru does not explain himself is Emilia would not consent to leaving the village to die. And they do not have a means to transport everyone quickly. Hence she would never try and leave them. He thought that not explaining him self would at least give him a chance.
Also Subaru running away would not necessarily doom the world. Afterall we do not know whether Puck is the strongest being in Re Zero. Subaru is betting on someone like Reinhard defeating and killing Puck before he can destroy the world.
Really. Asking for millions of loops. That is just asking too much of some person. It would make more sense if there was a path. It's one thing if you know your attacks are doing some damage. Maybe it is low but you are damaging the boss. The fight might last for 20-30 minutes. Maybe even an hour. But you would win. It is another when your build does so little damage that even with optimal timing it would take days of continuous playtime to defeat the boss. At that point it is basically impossible. So at that point you go do something else and not fight the boss. Same difference. Asking someone to have that much mental endurance is too much.
Spoilers.
Seeing this episode again just makes me revisit a certain line in Arc 7
In case it's not incredibly obvious yet, a lot of Subaru hate comes from self inserters cause Subaru sure as hell isn't a self insert mc.
A lot of people couldn't take him rejecting Rem because Rem is THEIR waifu. The problem is, Subaru is an actual character. A character that was brutally tortured (nit in the anime tho) and murdered by Rem while Emilia helped him get through his mental breakdown in the last arc. That's an experience non if us could ever completly relate to so our feeling can't and won't ever match his completly.
Btw, nost people chilled out with the Emikia hate in season 2. There's a lot of good stuff for her character.
it's really depressing how much viewers tend to assume that every isekai is going to have a bland, artistically worthless protagonist for people who have no interest in engaging with real stories lmao. like, in fairness, that IS kind of standard for the genre... it's just so disheartening to see that the reason that kind of story flourishes is that yes, somehow there really is a market for it
on the bright side, episode 18 is a really helpful tool for deciding whether or not to drop a reaction series
this episode is so fucking good, man
HELL YEAH I LOVE REM
edit: and on my birthday too!!
ah yes we have finally finished the prologue 🥳
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This speech from Subaru is truly why I feel he is the character that is most like my true self...
the self full of self loathing and that has given up on the ideal known as humanity from others.
You keep repeating Pride as if that can be the truth... but it cannot be the truth.
Pride means you set yourself over others; while what he is saying and I feel is the reverse of that.
Putting ourselves bellow others.
In my case I see that othersare more capable in so many ways each and everyone.
Its Envy pure and simple.
Knowing that changes nothing though.
I can say I am no longer sinking deeper without trying to get out of the mire; but knowing the distance is not the same as being able to reach it.
I know that I need to repair my self image and confidence.
But all I can afford is free; and all I have energy for is virtually nothing.
As Subaru says... Its not easy giving up; it requires years of reinforced theory to reach that conclusion and as bias as the learning was it still takes time to unlearn it.
I see RE:Zero as the pinicle of explaining how hard life is to change. Its not that Mushoku Tensei does so terribly just that its to unlike my own life on an emotional basis to really synch with me.
Episode 18 is where RE:Zero finally made me aware that Subaru's journey could help guide me through my own darkness. Act as Therapy to some extent because His journey out of negative self view could show me a way as well. Showing me pit falls to avoid and things that might shift my POV enough to get others advice better.
Episode 18 is also Why I will always argue that Rem is better for Subaru than Emillia; despite not actually caring about the shipping wars. I will argue her just to continue a trolls arguments that I am wrong; why people would argue over such unimportant things is beyond me... like Fantasy Football I just do not get the appeal. Tho in all honesty I think Subaru should marry Betty... she needs someone that could love her for her. I think Subaru could after watching S2.But I digress.
These are my fave episodes until S2 comes along with a few I like more.
Really loving the double episodes, for future episodes, i recommend watching 20,21 together , ep19 can be watched solo. (or if you feel like it, you can watch ep19-21 together)
season 2 explains so much that I want to answer your points with... so much it pains me to not spoil you and correct things or mention moments as part of examples.
It sucks being incapable of expressing things the way they require being expressed to explain things in the correct order and foster the real understanding.
and thus, our story really begins
Many miss the point of the Rem scene because they dont handle rejection very well and handle to much on it. Rem is there to tell Subaru that he is a good person and that he has been doing good things, that he is selffless despire the pain.
People are free to remind me otherwise, but I don't think any other episode comes close to the emotional heavyweight that is Episode 18.
The thing that's evident after you've read the novels is that you're missing a lot of context when you can't see into Subaru's mind. The reason why he's so insistent on not explaining himself to Emilia is because he's afraid that he can't reveal too much about his past lives without being gripped by the hands. So when Subaru is frantically trying to get Emilia to leave, that's why he doesn't come right out and explain about the Witch cult. Admittedly it is hit or miss when he actually worries about that though, as sometimes he'll mention something from a past life, like when he tells Crusch about the Witch cult attacking, but he doesn't mention it here to Emilia. Usually when he does mention it though he'll try to be as vague as possible.
Edit: This is why he's so defeated when they don't understand him, because he can't figure out how to explain something to them without revealing information that could potentially hurt him, and now after what happens to Emilia, he'll be (and I would be too) afraid of what might happen to those around him if he were to reveal too much. Unfortunately though his thoughts on this subject aren't brought up in the anime. Just imagine the frustration of knowing something awful is going to happen, but you have no way to convince those around you that something is going to happen. This brings us back to Subaru's and Emilia's fight, Subaru knows that she's in danger she has died and he has died trying to protect her, but he couldn't say that and she can't know. I think his desperation and savior complex is honestly earned at this point - because he IS the protagonist, he IS the hero. He's the only one who can fix a situation that would otherwise get everyone killed. He doesn't have any flashy skill to pull it off, but he has to orchestrate events to move things forward. So that pressure and weight obviously got to him, but if he can sort out his emotions and think things through, that's when his true strength may reveal itself; as Rem would put it, his determination to win is his real power, and as he would put it, his weakness.
I mean, also, revealing that he knows the Witch Cult is coming would just increase the amount of suspicion and questions Emilia and the people around him would have for him. At the end of the day, there's really no explanation he could offer that wouldn't boil down to "Trust me, despite the fact that I can't divulge everything."
@@Birthday888 There is one way that I think he could get out of it fairly simply, honestly, though the current Subaru at this point in the anime probably wouldn't come up with it because he doesn't know much about this world yet (AND THIS IS WHERE I SUGGEST ANYONE WANTING TO AVOID ANY KIND OF POTENTIAL SPOILER FOR EVEN MINOR WORLD INFORMATION WOULD LOOK AWAY);
He could claim that he has a gift of premonition where he sees the vague possible futures of those around him to a limited time scale. With that simple explanation the people closest to him would likely immediately believe him, especially given his track record already up to this point with getting into and out of situations where any other normal person like him would die very quickly. Since people in this world are often born with gifts that give them otherwise unexplainable powers, I feel like pretty much everyone would believe him within a short time of being around him while he's looping and he knows of things that are happening before anyone else.
Edit: This method I think would get past every barrier he has to telling them about his power, because I don't think there's ever been an instance where he hasn't been allowed to talk about the events of a past life, he simply can't talk about the actual mechanism by which he knows.
@@Hirome_Satou
Funnily enough. Later in the novels, many character around him basically treat him like he does have premonition
MINOR NOVEL SPOILERS
Most of the Emilia camp and other characters all believe in Subarus many baseless decisions because they just always worked.
Abel and Ceci straight up believe Subaru could see into the future in some way.
And Roswaal knows for sure Subaru has some time loop power.
the thing that really gets me about the fandom's ridiculous freakout about Subaru rejecting Rem, that really drives home how unhinged and solipsistic people got about this, is that as this was unfolding in real time i got to watch the entire community go from (rightfully!) criticizing Subaru for acting like Emilia owed him love and loyalty because he helped her out even if she never asked for it, to raging endlessly because they felt that Subaru owed Rem love because she helped him out even if he never asked for it. hell, he even gives her more than he got from Emilia - she doesn't get 'okay let's date' but she DOES get 'okay, i'll support you and care about you and trust and believe in you forever' - and everyone still went ballistic with hypocrisy. absolutely wild stuff lmao
Peak Re:Zero right here, love to see it! ✍✍✍
38:10 Your pragmatic logic makes sense, Infact uncertainty about checkpoints is what makes us tell him to bite his tongue. And maybe Subaru's philosophy is to let the life play out because he believes his reset points wont change unless he gets a happy resolution so he as a teen just lets it all play out to get more information out of that life before death because he believes his live to be like a game system.
1:12:53 Finally someone who sees both sides of the coin, everyone always talks about how harsh it is for Subaru to reject Rem, but nobody talks about how important his proposal to run away was to Subaru, even if she denied it for a good reason it doesn't mean it didn't hurt 😭
Imagine how good the fans were eating when they got this episode a mere three weeks after Episode 15, which was still burning bright on the interwebz. Honestly, I forgot where I heard this but Rem actually pulls off a pretty therapist-approved move here. It's said that the human brain can only think about seven things at a time. That's why when the only things going through Subaru's mind are moments that reinforce his self-hatred, Rem stunlocks him by rapid-firing her positivity.
It's easy to fall into the corny side when writing a dialogue that spans 20 whole minutes, but Tappei surprisingly manages to avoid it. He really went all-out on writing this arc. So many genre shifts happened in these past couple of episodes and there's only more of them coming. Also, huge props to my guy Subaru for destroying any potential of a canon harem. The "I love Emilia" line was memed to hell and back when it first aired but I'm glad he outright said it because it's the only thing I don't like about my other favorite isekai *wink-wink* Anyway, props to the author, the anime staff and especially the VAs for such a wonderful performance. It's my umpteenth time watching this scene yet I can still gleam new insights from it.
Not sure if you will reply but, are you planning on continuing Re:Zero with its second season, or is that gonna have to be a separate poll ?
Ah another episode of natsuki subaru torture simulator
Awesome reaction once more. And man i cant wait for the next ones. Itll be crazy and action filled i promise that much,and i have a strong feeling that your gonna love it.
As for rem tho. I dont think she was hurt by subaru rejecting her as she already knew and pretty much expected him to do so. She knows he loves emilia as she said in previous episodes, so rather then being hurt i Think she was happy that he told her honestly what he really feels and didnt mask his true feelings under a mask for her sake like hed usually do. Thats exactly what rem wanted from him in that moment.
Still makes you feel bad for her tho as shes such a sweet cinnamon roll who really deserves a Lover amd wholesome future like she described it.
Pragmatism doesn't take into account the amount of trauma that keeps piling on with each death. Subaru doesn't just feel the pain of death but also keeps all the feelings that came with that and it is compounding. Too flippant is right. I do understand the idea of saying, "death is the answer" but would it be good storytelling if he was gunho about doing it? I would even posit that proposing that that is what he should be going for (aka that he shouldn't be running away from the "answer") would also be bad. I think Subaru feels real because he makes the decision that you and I would probably would make in a situtaiton where we are asked to feel unspeakable pain, fear and anguish. He says "I don't wanna" and that makes sense to me. Anything else would feel like a video game character going through the motions and although this situtation in many ways feels like a video game (and it feels like that is your mentality, as in it just makes sense to reset when you mess up) I think it is better to treat it with the weight it deserves.
When i watched the anime released in 2016, me being 18 didn't take the scene of "i love Emilia" well. 4 years later during s2, a rewatch with directors cut made me hate it less and now it just annoys me.
Now after all this time I still feel the execution of that line delivery could've been done better.
I understand its not easy to change whom you love, that to at a snap. Plus I like how Subaru was direct about it to not get hopes of Rem up. I can justify his delivery somewhat by arguing Subaru isnt good with words at times & very direct, like he hasnt had many social interactions... you know, almost as if he was an hikikomori otaku NEET... but i still am annoyed at the line delivery.
to be fair, everyone did always tell subaru that he is useless and can't do anything
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@@alikaci how is this a spoiler? i am literally talking about what happened earlier in the city.
also what's "last warning" supposed to mean? i've never heard anything from you! and i've never been warned
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The start
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Not wrong but misses the point entirely.
The point in this case that matters most is that Subaru has no known control over said reset point.
At least at this point in the series.
Ask yourself about the first ten reset points of Subaru... Thats right you can't...
Apple stall guy just before the theft and after the start point.
Mansion bed after Bettys first interaction.
somewhere in the small town after Rem saves him.
Now Once more in the market but while Rem is alone with him; after the fight with Emillia and your being used as a whipping boy.
Thats 4 start points and very little connects all 4 if anything does in the first place.
So Why those 4 points or the next 2-5 that I know... my bad the next 6 thanks to my question.
If you do a day count of others POV that Subaru has been alive... you realize how lil time has passed for others? So its not remembering a boss fight to use your analogy its actually remembering a Dungeon Raid as your a member among a party of 24 and you must Shio from Log Horizon the thing by remembering each detail of all involved and each monster on top of the boss and not only the most common patterns but each pattern of each thing and each location. All perfectly organized and filed so others that come after you can follow in your foot steps.
Thats the problem with choosing death. Its way to shallow of a decision to just default to.
You need each life to count for the max value; if you get stuck in a place as alive and being experiemented on; sure it sucks. But whats worse still is the thought that maybe you died before learning critical info that could of saved anyone.
Being held against your will is horrendous but ultimately it makes things not your fault. Choice was removed so its not your court anymore. But choosing to not know more means actively giving up on those you could save.
Since you cannot fathom why each moment is not a reset point then all you can do is be optimistic about it and forge your path forward however you can.
Personally I would NEED to IMMEDIATELY figure out all the rules to this terribly inconvenient power so I could make the most of it. But man would the training suck.
20:19 Pandora-sama first appearence lol
Subaru: "Are... you puck?"
Puck: "Can't you tell ?"
Puck: "Maybe its cruel of me to ask that"
of course the first time i saw this , i didn't think there's any deeper meaning here but now I am questioning his word choice of "CRUEL" there!
as far as in this loop he didn't do anything cruel to him! did he?? he did that in 15
So maybe he knows ??!!
Puck knows theory started from here???
PS: Natsuki Subaru VA doesn't get better than this EP18 , really looking forward to his hero speech
Ok this is going to be a big talk
I dont know if you remember but i write a comment back then in your watch of the ova of Mushoku Tensei, the one with the mage prodigy, i write you about how a lot of people treat me like a prodigy of math
Well... a lot of thing happen since then, i when you start watching Re Zero i knew i want you to write about this, about what happen, i just wanted to wait to this episode, to this especifycaly this epsiode
I will start: A year of two i was in college, and the pandemic take a toll of me in the form of the classes via Zoom or Teams (Basically school from home via stream) it was more convenient, a lot of time safe, but... i start to feel like i wasnt learing anything, even after the normal classes resume i feel myself slowing down... i begin to forget what i learn in the semesters i pass already and i only pass the current one by luck or my classmates doing most of the work... I wasnt learing anything, and i was failing my grades a lot... and then... i didnt feel like trying anymore, i begin to feel like it didnt matter to me, i didnt work at all... i think i was passing for a depression, especificaly a mid 20s depression... i was 25 years old and still struggling in college, failing a lot and dont going foward, i think i didnt even enyoy my carrer anymore, but... i didnt want to give up, my mind was telling me to give up to stop feeling this... and my passion about my dream, about my reason to live was fading, and it scared me... so last summer i got back up, i refuse to give up and try again to put the efford and begin to work in my proyects and... it was late... i fail a 3th time the same subject, and by the rules of teh univeristy i was kick out of it... i have see a lot of my schoolmates drop out, more the half of them, my college career was one of the more dificult there was (it was multimedia and digital animation), 7 years of my life spending in that college... gone... i didnt give up... i was forced to give up... i feel awful... and to this day i try to not think to much about it because i know i am going to bad rabbit hole of desperation, adn i dont need it right now... even after that... i still didnt give up, i knew about another collegue with a similar theme but more centralize in what i want... i wanted to try to get a job to help to pay for it, because it cost a lot more that my previous college but... almost 5 months passed and i got nothing... i was truly a Nini.. and everyday i feel worst and worst
I know i write a lot about a lot of thing there are still a lot of emotions about this that i miss to say (And without saying that subplot with my best friend, that is another cane of worms) but all i can say is, i wont gve up, i and just tthis dayo stubburn and hardhead to do it, but i want to make my dream come true, i finally start going to that new college, the day you are uploading this video i start my second day in it, and i am enyoy it
I dont like to give up, not of life, not in me dream, it just... dont suit me to give up
Let's go! Make the most out of your new college. Rooting for you.
Whale Sharks I believe are the largest preditor... maybe they do not hunt?
Love
Charity
Justice
Prudence
Frugality
Paitence
Temperance
The 7 virtues if I remember them correctly. Not sure about Prudence and Paitence... but I digress.
Whats important for now is Love.
Love granted him Sloth... think of that phrasing.
A virtue granted a Sin?
So what about other Sins? Does Paitence grant Wrath its power?
Can Charity be Gluttonys giver of power?
How does this work? Is Pride Justified?
Is Envy Prudent?
Is Lust Frugal?
Does Greed have Temperance?
However they pair the real question is both IF and why.
In short is Subaru meant to be a pure hearted Sinner that learns the virtues and overcomes the Sins?
Not sure but it does make one wonder.
Love can generate both virtues and vices, as while virtue is defined as an orderly habit that seeks good, vice is a disorderly habit that also seeks good. In both cases, the person is seeking, to a greater or lesser degree, something they like/love. A virtue can become a vice when there is an excess or lack of what it represents, for example, the lack of courage leads to cowardice, while an excess leads to recklessness.
Both the coward and the reckless act out of love (disordered) for something and, ultimately, for themselves; the coward does not exercise courage because they fear the consequent result of their action, while the reckless acts imprudently aiming to achieve the good that prompted them to act, without considering the consequences of their action.
Ultimately, all virtues are children of prudence (seeking good through the straight/ordered path), while all vices are children of pride (disorderly pursuit of good to satisfy one's own will). Therefore, it is not virtue that originated vice, but the disorderly will that, not submitting to reason, acts passionately and disorderly; virtue/vice is the mere practical manifestation of the will, and therefore, no, envy is not prudent just as lust is not frugal, as they are modes of action, essentially, antagonistic.
@@yagami_tatsuya I agree in terms of reality. In terms of RE:Zero's themes I am not convinced yet.
As a case where the virtue is twisted into the Sin.
Beetlejuice (never remember the correct spelling) for instance had his love twisted into him not wanting to do things because of it, Love reinforcing his Sin Power.
So my comment was more so about the other Arch Bishops of the other Sins. What virtues are twisted into supporting each Sin.
If you have read the source then you'd know better than me.I have just watched S1 and 2 and the Emilia back ground movie.
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I still say Envy fits better.
The POV is not about how much Subaru knows; its about why he felt he could not think of more.
As unreasonable as it is look at all the amazing people around him all being selfish or at least demanding more than an obviously end of rope person could offer.
Crush is a military force... now if Subaru was clear sighted in the first go through then he simply had no way of knowing what she would want. Yes you can argue that asking straight is an option but would she truly offer the truth? No shes to guarded. At the first visit to Priscila; did Subaru really have the experience to know what she truly was like... NO. He could not have met her on even ground. Same goes for Hoshi and same is true of Feldt and others. In short the truth is he had no options; BUT that is where Return by death trumps most every other ability.
If your Mad as a Hatter and throw shit against the walls to see what sticks enough metaphorically; you can learn all that.
At life 3 tho all that can be said is that Subaru has a sliver of usable info... but if it had been IRL he would of failed to see things fully enough. Lets not kid ourselves Subaru is fleshed out proper but most side characters are not so far.
Why would Crush help Subaru assuming he has any knowledge she would want. She has known him for far to short a time to expect trust; on top of which Emilia going down would benefit her to much... rinse repeat for the others.
What can Subaru do to change things enough realistically?
Nothing really.
Lukily its not realistic its a story so Main Characters must succeed more often than fail when it truly counts and things fall into place somehow. That is how Stories work that have good vs bad in them. Otherwise they'd fail to entertain properly because things would end to quickly as they do in reality.
When you read comments that Subaru is trash bad written with no redeemable qualities... this is what people mean.
So people completely ignoring the emotional weight behind the scene in favor of waifu wars? Sounds about right for a good chunk of anime fans XD
Since you are done with episode 18, please watch the episode preview at the end of ep 17 cuz it's one of the funniest shit ever
lmao
also the end of episode 16!
Oh my god you're right, episode 16 and 17's next episode previews are hilarious 😂
And finally, we hit rock bottom. Or to use the show's phrasing, we hit square zero. As someone that's been through my own journey with figuring crap out and seen others on their journey, rock bottom really is a special place. Up until that point, you can use all manner of denial and deflection and other psychological tricks (subconscious or otherwise) and try and pretend that there are no problems or that they're not as serious as they seem. But once you truly, seriously hit rock bottom, it all fades away and all you have left are the things you were turning away from all along. And since they're your only company, for the first time, you start to actually look at them face-to-face. See the ugliness, the stupidity, the arrogance, and whatever else lies in that messy blob of imperfections. Finally, you start to accept your flaws. And Subaru certainly accepts his, going a bit too far in fact, which is also something that seems typical of someone that finds themselves in rock bottom. Once you finally drop your guard and let the door open only for a deluge of flaws and imperfections to fill the room that is your mind, it starts to seem like the flaws are all there are.
"I'm worthless. I can't do anything. I screw up everything I try to do. Everyone hates me. I've never done a single good thing for anyone. I've been a jerk to everyone that knows me." ad infinitum. They're based on some truth but they're exaggerations of it. And now instead of ignoring all the bad stuff, you start ignoring all the good stuff. It's almost like an over-correction after a lifetime of under-correction. And honestly, if you don't have anyone to give you a reality check and show you a way out of rock bottom, you might just stay stuck there for a long while. Thankfully, Subaru has Rem. I've recently been learning a lot about the best way to get through to people, especially ones that stubbornly reject outside points of view, and I think Rem exemplifies the best way (that I know of) to get through to these kinds of people . And that is to not engage with their arguments.
You don't start a debate and counter every single point they make, trying to make them see the error of their ways through a bunch of well-reasoned arguments. No, that hardly ever works, not when you're dealing with someone that's internalized a certain belief or system of beliefs to the extent that they consider it immutable and irrefutable. Which is why what Rem does is brilliant. Instead of refuting what he says, she simply tells him what she believes (weeeeeell, she tries refuting him at first but eventually, she changes her approach). She doesn't tell him that he's wrong, or that he actually totally does have value and he's just being dismissive of all his positive qualities, and if he would just think a bit more calmly about it, that he would get it. Instead, she just says what *she thinks of him* and lists the positive qualities that *she sees* in him. None of it is denying what he said, it's just offering a different perspective, which is just as subjective and potentially flawed as Subaru's own. But it works so much better. Because he's not being denied directly but he's still being offered a perspective that conflicts with his own, he still ends up lashing out and tries to shut down Rem's opinion as hard as he can and reiterates his own opinion, and claims that she just doesn't know him as well as he himself does. And Rem, again being the bigger person, doesn't call out his behavior as being wrong per se, she just reiterates that whatever Subaru might think of himself, other people have their own opinions of him and there is absolutely no reason why their opinions would be invalid if they don't match with Subaru's opinion. And that's what works. It's not a refutation but an alternative perspective, one that Subaru could easily choose to ignore if he so wished, but one that he *feels the need* to reject. Which is what makes it powerful. And which is why it gets through to him.
All this to say that when I first watched this episode, I low-key loved it but couldn't really explain why but now that I'm watching it as a slightly more experienced person, I high-key love it and I could go on for ages about everything that I love about it. And THIS is why I love negative character development arcs. There's just something extra special about seeing a person go through the worst of it, where the worst of it is mostly internal problems (although Re: Zero certainly has its fair share of external problems that both make it more engaging to watch but also often drive the internal problems), and then make it through to a better place mentally/emotionally/spiritually. It's probably the same reason I like redemption arcs so much. "You can be a terrible and/or flawed person, hit rock bottom, and still come out the other side a better and improved person (at least internally and internal change often always leads to external change)" is just such a powerful and fundamentally hopeful and positive message that I just can't help but be moved by it.
OHHHH, and can I just mention that when Rem goes on about how Subaru only sees himself as he perceives himself and doesn't think about how Rem sees him, it's like a positive inversion of the entire argument with Subaru and Emilia where he only saw the Emilia that he wanted to see? In that case, he only saw an idealized version of Emilia instead of the real Emilia. And in this, he's seeing an idealized *worst* version of himself instead of the real him. And Rem just lists out what she sees and how that doesn't seem to match at all with his version of himself. Damn, I never really caught that until now. God, this show is so well-written, I love it so much.
54:22 damn your hair looks good. Sorry, got distracted :D (not sorry)
Funny how nobody in the comments is talking about episode 17…
Regarding Puck ending the world it might not be so stupid of Subaru to think he can avoid it - because Reinhard still exists, the absolute OP that should stop threat like unleashed Puck before it causes too much damage to the kingdom and the world. By that logic, Subaru running far away with Ren to Kararagi isn't the dumbest idea, I believe there is even a "What If" story by the author describing that.
exactly. it's the sloth if.
tee forgets that puck is not the pinnacle of power in this world. he is a spirit not some kind of god that can destroy the world just because he says "i will destroy the world"
We all need a Rem in our lives fr
I still find that people disliking Subaru after the rejection scene to be valid. I get where they're coming from. Else we wouldn't have an alternate route where he chooses Rem.
Wdym? The Sloth if story wasn’t written because people disliked the rejection, it was written because this is one of the several turning points in the series, which also got their own if stories. To reduce it to mere pandering is just wrong.
The alternate route is Rem choosing to take his offer to run away, not Subaru himself doing anything different.
Well just because Puck says he will destroy the world doesn't mean he can.
Does his area of effect really extend to the edges of the world, or is there time for other monsters such as himself to appear and dispose of him before all of it is lost?
Puck seems like an endgame monster but even here he talks about how the White Whale is closing in, and it seems to be somewhat of an endgame monster as well..
The little big Puckie can now be considered to be the trumph card that Emilia talked about during the fight with Elsa~
"I do have one, but if I use it only I will remain..."
No, it's not. She meant something else
@@m.kblast4798 Then she has 2 I know of... Both are not a good option to weak humans in her vicinity... 😅
@@subarusama5673 I'll get a bit spoilery here but:
Puck actually blocks Emilia from using normal magic with his contract with her. I think it was something like that he didn't want her to grow up conceited by the amount of magic she possessed. So until S2 when the contract is broken and she sees herself use magic in the trials she is unaware of her own talent. This is later something that she has to train up in the year to S3. I assume that you mean the iceblood-crystals, but Puck is the one that uses that during the movie, not Emilia.
@@RobinFromAshes Thanks for the clarification.
Just when you thought it can't get any worse...
🚩💀🚩 But wait there's more!🚩💀🚩
In the world of Re0, Sometimes we don't just rub salt in the wound, Sometimes we rinse with sulfuric acid and debride it with a nest of fire ants.
Staggering that one step further on in the vain Hope that it can't possibly get any worse, to the realization that you can't possibly be more wrong is NEXT level (thank you, Nicholas Cage) hubris that Subaru pulls off so well.
Subaru's plan to Nope out of the situation runs into the same problem He and Emelia have with each other: " The me that lives in your heart is so much more than I could ever be "
Even more so than the night at the travel inn, or the broken crawl in the shattered cave, Rem Reveals how much she has really really really thought about it. Her bridal bug out plan is well thought out and fully detailed... Far beyond subaru's instinct to just run.
But she can't let him do that. Because the Him that lives in her heart is so much more than what he believes of himself.... But she is not wrong. 🤔
Blinded by pain amd trauma, Subaru can only see himself in the mirror darkly. His flaws loom in stark relief, And his reopened wounds are too fresh, too raw. So after a confession for the ages where she rejects his reality and substitutes her own, Throwing him a lifeline in the shark-infested waters of self recrimination and despair.... The worst thing he can do is say no right? Right?!
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Well let's try again... from zero... Now, with a new light of determination in his eyes
Congratulations on finishing the prologue of Re:Zero!
When i First saw eps 18, I was crying through the entire rem scenes and when he said I like Emilia, i wanted to punch him. BUT, as i continued watching next season, there is a small scene where the background will let you know his entire reasoning behind him saying that and it all clicked and I wasn't even mad at him lmaooo. I was like fair enough subaru ahahha. Dont press read more if you havent seen that scene next season.
I saw all his silver hair figurines in his irl home and it all clicked, he just said that cause he has had a huge preference lmfaooo, hahaha, it was soo funny to me, i couldnt even be mad at him lolll.
I mean... Subaru has been sadistically murdered by Rem and that Emilia was the first person he was able to interact with without the shadow of his father or his past hanging over him. Or the fact that Rem acknowledges that the Subaru she fell in love with was the one who never gave up, and that giving up on Emilia would be Subaru giving up and failing to live up to her image of Subaru.
Hurr durr, waifu wars, let's go. XD
@@Birthday888 ooooou, great take! i didnt even think of the never giving up angle would mean never giving up emilia, makes sense but i still like my reasoning just cause ALL his figurines are silver haired lmaoo. Im too old for waifu wars lmfaoooo XDDD
@@Sai_Neeraj_styld "i wanted to break his arms and legs and punch him to death" doesn't exactly fit with the idea that you're too old for waifu wars.
@@MalkuthSephira a LOT! of over exaggeration and me watching this anime 7 years ago has resulted in both the statements you read above loll. Reading my comment back I did cringe a little loll my bad I’ll edit it