Going 4WD - The Bush Winch - Wheel Winch
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- čas přidán 31. 10. 2008
- The Bush Winch is a versatile piece of recovery equipment that relys on engine power. The kit comprises 2x spools, ropes, special wheel nuts and a carry bag. Optional extras for the kit are rope guides, ground anchor kit and a bridle rope.
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Ian, at 69 years of age, I've never seen anything so simple and clever as what you are demonstrating here. While my 'booney' days are over, I'll be sure to forward this to those of my friends who 'outdoor' quite a bit. Thanks for posting.
as a young buck in north carolina with zero money at any given time let me tell you the redneck wheel winch is a big log ratchet strapped to a wheel to vault the wheel out the hole
Two bags, Fantastic idea! Nine out of ten, so light and simple even women could use it.
Questo sistema era già in uso 50anni addietro sulle landrover, però devo dire che le innovazioni apportate lo hanno reso efficientissimo, complimenti!
I really like this site, lots of good information.
SWEET KIT!
Just bought the full kit had problem with webpage and I just copied email contact rather than online form and sent from work, what a bloody good concept as would rather have this in back then rely on someone else or spend thousands on winch made in China and if I am daily driving a it stays in shed, am very happy
very cool invention!
great inovative and practical invention. there are many vehicals witch don't offer native support for winches. Not everyone has a land rover or shotgun so this design makes for everyone to have the option to help them self and not pay out the ass for recovery. and you don't need lock diff options etc as you can put one on each side. literly no flaw with this.
That's a great little system...
I've always just used flat snatch straps directly on the tire tread face. Hook the snatch straps together with a simple loop hitch and find an anchor point. Drive over the damn snatch strap and wind it up on your tire. It works every time and you don't need to buy any special equipment.
I saw a trucker do something like that on ice road truckers,
These bags in the USA are used by fire department rescue services - usually, their bags are filled by compressors. In NYC, they were used to lift one side of a subway car which had pinned a man against a platform.
This is a wonderful no nonsense product. We have used in the Army / Military on Land Rovers and Jeep Gladiators the 70's . No modern Winch Battery drain problems. No electrical shorts, clutch problems, a plain basic piece of pressed steel which just pulls and pulls until you are out as long as your rope or cable are strong enough. The pulilng power is as strong as your engine power. We have used them on Unimogs and bigger old Bedfords trucks which were stuck in the worst possible places you can dream of. Forget any negative comments and buy yourself one if you can lay your hands on it. Wish I could get one here in Cape Town, South Africa. Often thought about the old stuff and wish I had one when other guys sat with flat batteries. My Hilux with 15" wheels can do with a set for sure !!
I still prefer a good old PTO winch like on the deuce and a half, reliable and powerful, no fuss, it just works.
All the old Bedfords I drove had the capstan type wheel hubs which took a rope to use as a winch. It took two people to operate so you cold spool the rope off the capstan as it pulled the truck forwards, otherwise the rope built up and snagged the whole set up. No they do not work without the hubs locked on smaller 4WD's.
My dad talked about this concept having been used on trucks in WW2
brilliant idea
Used to have a similar (home made) set up for the holden way back when used to spend a bit of time in sand country. Not as flash as the displayed but worked a treat. Looks good
who ever made this needs to get a damn nobel prize
I bought from them the land anchors only since I already have a winch installed. The issue is Iv yet to get stuck around areas with hard ground. It’s always very soft sand or swamps and those places that type of anchor plucks right off. But the system itself is a workable idea provided the right conditions.
Well thought out. thanks
"Pearler" "Easy As" " Great little concept, this" I love how you Aussies talk!!
Great idea
Excellent
great system this!
I saw this devise advertized in a magazine when I was doing dune buggies in the early 70's but with no rope guide.
Thanks for point that out - i am familiar with winches, their operation/shortcomings. I'd sooner that than have my wheel studs ripped out plus the alignment problems faced and yet another piece of tack you invariably forget to pack part of/throw in on top of already bulky bits and pieces to rattle/squeak their way around the country. Also, many of the points you made apply to this system too. Besides, if youre driving in a place where you need a winch-chances are you need a bullbar anyway
This type of wheel winch has been used in the oilfields of Oklahoma & Texas for over 80 years. Some have dual spools.
no, you're correct. this will work just fine with limited or open differentials. The more one wheel is stuck, the more the other will pull, and vice versa. Having the two wheels working together with a crude rope pulley is what allows this to work.
Cool, never seen this before.
very good idea, and like you said not for competition recovery. self confessed experts will always knock a good idea. it works thats all that matters.
I love how nobody actually pays attention to the video. You get 2 spools and 2 ropes, one for each side. No locker needed! As for the "rope" being weak..... Anybody seen or used synthetic winch rope? I have and it works great! Comes standard on some of the 12k - 15k winches. Is it the best answer for all people? No, but will it help some people? Sure will. No need for a winch mount, extra wiring, or multiple batteries, and you could use it on multiple vehicles by buying extra lug nuts.
I wish these were easier to find online in america. I wouldn't mind having some and I bet they'd be pretty handy for 2wd vehicles as well for self recovery or recovery assist in snow.
Just go to the AUstralia website, its available for US shipping and work on any 4 and 2 and AWD
These have been around for yonks. Militaries were using them in WWII. Anyone who thinks it will damage the axle is dreaming, this is perfectly fine on the back wheels and works with an open diff. The price is the problem, after you buy all the accessories you may as well buy a real winch.
very cool thanks
I like the ground anchor set up. That would be great out in sand or where there's no where to use a winch. As for the wheel winch system, could work. If it crappy weather out, I don't want to be dinking around. Ill use a winch.
awesome!
Brilliant - Old Fella - Good Post.
Have seen these in Africa 40 years ago. They look good. Would use with steel cables. Run them throgh shakles on the ends of the bumpers. Can cause damage to the paintwork. You could probably make then yourself out of cut down wheel rims, but you would need to mount them permanently on the existing wheel studs.
I can see this being an invaluable recovery tool if you are by yourself. Never heard of these, and I think I just may have to invest in a kit.
That's awesome
i believe that's why the kit comes in a pair, one wheel winch for each side of an open diff.
Looks a good system so long as there isn't any thread damage caused by those studs.
The force on them most be very high.
Would like to see a long-term test review
"Great little item this."
brilliant.
good thin your said that and snapped me into my senses. I got a ONCE limited slip rear end 2wd HA that would have been a disaster
nice improvement over the one I saw 20 or so years ago.nice to have,sometimes the vehicle winch fails or you got to pull yourself backwards.think I'll look into it.
Sweet!
The ground anchor would be good when doing fence work when you need a solid anchor to tie off a com-a-long when tightening wire. Could have used the ground anchor when doing a lot of barbwire work ten years ago on hill sides and deep gullies.
If the truck doesn't have a limited slip differential the other tire could spin while this one doesn't. Looks like something you'd see on the Red & Green show.
+dietrichidaho That's why they come in pairs.
If you have an open dif you shouldn't be off-road
+John Smith What?... If you have no idea how to 4 wheel and you have an open diff, sure, stay on the pavement.
My stock Taco has been down and up several canyons for fishing that were locally considered 4wd, lifted, and locked only. Never got stuck, just used my head and proper lines.
+John Smith If you have absolutely no skill or idea what you're doing, maybe. You sound like a pavement queen, perhaps you should stay in the city and leave country driving to the men, eh?
nice instruction
Jackson that's a good question, now I want to know.
A full demo would have been nice. How do I know this actually works.
It looks rather impressive to me.
awesome
So basically an variation of wrapping a rope around a spinning tire to pull the vehicle out. Good idea, but it needs to be updated. This thing wouldn't fit the wheels on either of my two trucks. The wheel/lug nuts on both are more deeply recessed, so would need longer wheel/lug nuts for the winch and rope guide.
No lockers = wheel spin. The wheel spins taking up the rope. As the tension on the rope increases, that is translated to torque on the axle. That torque will increase the torque necessary to turn that wheel and act as a sort of ghetto LSD.
I've thought of doing the same thing but with wrapping a belt on the tire
Clever!
Great Info and Demo . Looks like a nice tool to have . Hard to find any available or more Info . Thanks for the lesion
without locking diffs this thing is useless
Rubbish! It relies on wheel spin, to work!
James Bradley The free wheel spins... the one winching becomes loaded, so the other one gets free and spins...
nitromyke
Ok I see your point, but I suppose you have to have another bush winch on the opposite wheel as well, then? Perhaps this is why they haven't caught on much. I prefer the good old simple capstan winch, as some Land Rover used to have, myself.
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Thanks Amy.
Re capstan winch: I meant the PROPER capstan winch, which is just a capstan sticking upright on front bumper continuously rotating and directly driven via mechanical clutch and small shaft from front of engine. So, no electrics/electronics or hydraulics involved.
The army had a similar idea years ago (anyone) All that was required was the wheel extension bolts sparewheel rope or cable.
New spin on an old concept.. 40 years ago, I saw my grandfather use something like that he made from a wheel without the tire (or tyre).
Open diffs do work with this set up. Think about how it works. On an open diff the wheel with the least traction will normally just spin when you're bogged. With the wheel winch this wheel will start to wind the rope up until the load is more than the other wheel. then it will start to drive until it has more load on it than the rope winch and the cycle goes on until you are out of the bog. in reality it is a very seamless operation locked or open diffs.
Cheers
how do you figure? the rope is still being spooled by the wheels, and as long as the rope is connected to something that isn't going anywhere, it will pull the truck towards the anchor point until it's out of rope.
got my subaru unstuck by wrapping a rope around my lugnuts then around a tree then attached to the hauling hook.
It may or may not work with open diffs. If you put the wheel winch on the spinning wheel, there is a chance it will transfer the torque to the other side and the non-spinning wheel will start to spin while the winch-side wheel is stationary. Of course, if the non-winch wheel is firmly planted, it may start to drive you out of your stuck while the winch-wheel remains stationary. If you're in mud with open diffs (as I was last night), you'll probably need a bumper winch (as I did). :)
the only way it will work with out a true locker is have one on each side. I built something close to this years ago and it does work great. but damn I would love to have a set of the lug nuts. and the front rope guide
The ground anchors shown in this video have only a limited range of soil types that are suitable: mostly firm packed soils with a lot of clay, and high moisture content. These would be almost useless in dry, deep loose sand or pea gravel, which is what you would likely encounter in desert off-roading. The GroundAnchor and Pull-Pal, or other brands with similar configuration, work in a much wider range of soil types. For real emergency recovery, I think a plain come-along, or a 6-sheave block and tackle system with a hand winch for pulling power, are best. They don't rely on either electricity or engine power, and will work even if the vehicle's battery is dead or it's powertrain is disabled. Of course, in steep mountainous terrain, a hand powered winch may not offer enough pulling power to recover something like a heavy diesel pickup truck with a camper on it, in which case the 12,000# electric winch, or this Bush Winch, would be the only recovery system that would work.
+LAURENCE CHARLOT Went on the Canning Stock Route many years ago, and one of the vehicles in our convoy got stuck half way up a dune. The vehicle had a 9000Lb winch and we thought that using a ground anchor would work. Oh bow wrong could we be. The sand was soft and powdery, so the ground anchor was dragged back towards the car. Ended up using a doubled up snatch strap and came out like a cork in a bottle.
The wheel winch is perfect for the person who is on a budget and cant afford the cost of a winch, so this is an alternative and I have seen it work . Little fiddling to be done , but once done its a breeze to get out of strife.
+Steinwaygrande
Yes, any winching situation that involves pulling uphill is going to be much more difficult. My experiences of being stuck in sand and loose gravel were in flat terrain (in the Mojave Desert in southern California), so getting the vehicle unstuck wasn't too hard.
ive always thought about making something like this!
once i wrapped a rope around the tire...worked for that one particular case but it was pretty dodgey
Yes Brilliant!! No $1200 40kg! POS winch. And a 2nd battery just for the winch, when you need it 3 to 4 times a year. Excellent.
dude badass idea lol
holy fuck an hour later and your on your way
Still have a similar system for the Humvees
it's so simple, it's brilliant!
Thanksssssssssss👍
YOU SHOULD show hooking it up then using it
WATCH the video, plenty of clips demonstrating use and mounting
Sheila can fit & use this you reckon. Forget the nail polish getting broken and all the other wind up banta a lass with a bit of spunk about her could manage this. In the dry anyways. Deep swamp mud is another story. . .
the rope would most likley be Plasma rope.. which 12mm can usually handle 6-12,000 pounds depending on brand and quality.
If the vehicle has an open diff and you only have a single wheel winch would this not be useless in ultra low traction situations when power is sent to the unloaded wheel?
Where are these sold? Any other names for this available in the USA?
I think I'll stick to my winch. How would you go setting it up when your bogged to your door sills in mud and water.
seems like it would put a lot of extra strain on the wheel studs
If I get stuck in my truck I put it in 4 hi. If I get stuck in deep mud sometimes 4 low. I have never needed to be pulled out in my Z71 so far.
I see many comments putting this system down but I don't think many know that this is nothing new. this system was used by the military for years and if it will work on a duce and a half then it will work on yours.
How are sales going?
I will have to check it out, as I have a tendency of going where I shouldn't by myself from time to time. this looks like a keeper especially with all the parts together.
@HY1ST so rope wont pull your fullsize out??? what do you use, rebar? the cable thats in your warn is technically rope. and they even come in synthetic "rope" models now..........its all a matter of matching the rope to your rig. also since you use two ropes at once you could cut the strength in half and still be suffeciant
Not a new idea. Ford offered something very similar for the Model T. Harold Lloyd is seen using one in one of his silent movies. Nice variation, this one is. More people should have one.
good
So what if you have 2wd or a limited slip differential front and rear?
What's the max footage of rope will fix on that spool?
Even a sheila can carry it!
Are you Ozzy Man?
It takes a pretty strong arm to work a skillet in the kitchen making her mans dinner ,and lets not forget that basket of laundry and iron and ironing board can be pretty heavy .
what if your wheel and tire is againts a rock or tree how would you put this on??
Crikey... that's a bloody fair dunkum idea!
But... what about for an Internat'l Scout II with a 5x5.5" bolt pattern?
@848Harorider well you stick your hand down there and put this contraption on.
Sweet idea, but i would be would worried using this on a front axle. Seems like it would put a lot of force on the steering rack. I have always wanted to build one of these for my atv. Also those anchor winch points are a blessing in muddy fields or the beach. I used to have a three foot section of a 6x6 in my truck that i could bury and attach a winch to until i bought a proper one.
What happen to your website couldn't find it...
Do you guy's still sell the equip ?? can't find it on your website
does it work if u have open differentials?
Nice piece of kit that... where can you find it in the states?
Very cool! Would be worth having in your vehicle for emergencies if the price isn't to high.
for the price you get two of the drums, rope x2 and guide x2, where as a drum winch requires a mounting hitch or bumper for an added cost, but in compare this is only goo for self recovery, the drum winch is good for self recovery and helping others
will it fit a 97 Toyota tercel. bolt pattern is 4x100