Ion Fury - Every Console Tested - How An Ancient Engine Stresses Current-Gen CPUs

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  • čas přidán 15. 05. 2020
  • Ion Fury pushes the ancient Build engine - powering classics like Duke Nukem 3D - to its very limits, but fundamentally, how difficult can a port to current-gen consoles be? The answer turns out to be more complex than you might think. John Linnemans checks out the PS4, Xbox One and Switch versions of the game, addresses the frame-rate concerns and goes in-depth on the surprisingly challenging process of delivering these console conversions.
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  • @ChristianStout
    @ChristianStout Před 4 lety +169

    "Enter the Konami code to uncap the frame rate" is the greatest string of words I've heard all year.

  • @VectorGaming4080
    @VectorGaming4080 Před 4 lety +93

    It’s kind of insane that this entire game is running off of a single CPU thread on Switch... I’ve noticed that battery life is great and it actually manages to stay close to 60 FPS quite often on my Lite. I can’t really complain at all as I get to play this beautiful looking game on a handheld.

    • @astrocslopes863
      @astrocslopes863 Před 4 lety +7

      The game is like 400mb on Pc xD

    • @Delb9891
      @Delb9891 Před 4 lety

      I thought it’s only 30 FPS?!

    • @iinkshade
      @iinkshade Před 4 lety +14

      @@Delb9891 if you watch the video, he says to input the konami code during gameplay and it will unlock the framerate, but it has mixed results. locked 60 in some areas, but other areas it's all over the place. It's probably a secret feature they added just in case a switch pro ever happens.

    • @jamezxh
      @jamezxh Před 4 lety

      Not really Duke3D ran awesome on a Pentium! 133 with a s3 trio64 with UniVBE .exe running .

    • @VectorGaming4080
      @VectorGaming4080 Před 4 lety +1

      iinkshade I still prefer having this unlocked option on the current switch since it stays at or very close to 60 almost all of the time, which I prefer over locked 30. Even then, locked 30 didn’t get in the way of gameplay, 60 is just a nice cherry on top. I’ve never had an issue with 30 FPS gaming, but will take more frames when offered.

  • @kristianutomotobing9719
    @kristianutomotobing9719 Před 4 lety +239

    "It should be simple right?"
    -Every Manager Ever-

    • @RicochetForce
      @RicochetForce Před 4 lety +4

      Yup, famous last words right there.

    • @DenkyManner
      @DenkyManner Před 4 lety +14

      Me, every time I attempt anything. Another favourite: will take an hour = 3 hours. Will take a week = 4 weeks, if ever

    • @Kabodanki
      @Kabodanki Před 4 lety

      @@DenkyManner A senior dev at google said, always double when not sure

    • @Aeonsparx
      @Aeonsparx Před 4 lety +1

      Didn't expect to see you here. haha... yeah. It's always harder than we initially thought.

    • @kristianutomotobing9719
      @kristianutomotobing9719 Před 4 lety

      @@Aeonsparx Hot damn, we really got many interest in common 😆

  • @PancakeInu
    @PancakeInu Před 4 lety +143

    John, I saw your post on that forum. Don't let these people tell you how to think and act. You make high quality technical analysis videos for games. Just because you make a video on a game, doesn't mean you agree with what the developers think. Keep up the good work. It's a shame a thread about the fps devolved into virtue signalling there.

    • @shawnrice3692
      @shawnrice3692 Před 4 lety +14

      Some Resetera post.

    • @RicoSeattle
      @RicoSeattle Před 4 lety +16

      @@michaelgallagher9534 Check out the "ResetEra Takes" twitter account. They posted images of the forum ganging up on John for ridiculous reasons.

    • @kaisersoymilk6912
      @kaisersoymilk6912 Před 4 lety +1

      Of course he posts there: that forum is home of some of the most extremist and toxic people of the internet yet it's very well frequented by relevant people of the gaming industry: developers, journalists, localizers, etc...
      I don't get it.

    • @kaisersoymilk6912
      @kaisersoymilk6912 Před 4 lety +1

      @@RicoSeattle That account doesn't exist anymore

    • @RicoSeattle
      @RicoSeattle Před 4 lety +1

      @@kaisersoymilk6912 You're right. The person who ran that account deactivated it within the past day too.

  • @IHeart16Bit
    @IHeart16Bit Před 4 lety +169

    Hey John, great video as always. I saw how people on "THAT FORUM" treated you for covering this awesome game.
    Your opinion and analysis is held in high regard by a massive amount of people, please, please, PLEASE stop answering to such an insular, hateful, intolerant and (ultimately) small community.

    • @RyuRanXII
      @RyuRanXII Před 4 lety +28

      Well said 👏👏👏

    • @CPSPD
      @CPSPD Před 4 lety +2

      living in your head rent free

    • @bigcade554
      @bigcade554 Před 4 lety +46

      @@CPSPD I'm sure there are plenty more people living in ERA users heads rent free, given how vindictive they can get.

    • @whostolecarlosrox
      @whostolecarlosrox Před 4 lety +30

      @referral madness He didn't make a(n easily feigned) PR statement regarding the dev team's homophobic/transphobic views.
      Therefore posters are making veiled passive aggressive claims that the only reason he didn't was that he either didn't know or he doesn't care.
      False dilemma of course.
      Cuz apparently every time someone likes something made by someone who's "problematic", they must issue an official PR statement saying they don't agree with such views. How fucking redundant.
      Remember everybody: you must always include PR statements denouncing bigotry every time you praise a movie, videogame, musician, developer, actor, etc, if they ever expressed a problematic viewpoint in their lives.

    • @Shieftain
      @Shieftain Před 4 lety +23

      @@whostolecarlosrox Best thing to do is not even acknowledge these minority of losers in the first place. And if you must, grow a dang backbone and tell them to go screw themselves. The majority will love you for standing up to these crybullies and laugh at these tumblrites for throwing their little hissy fits.

  • @agnel47
    @agnel47 Před 4 lety +59

    I love how technically in depth this is, imagine DF revisiting their GTAIV tech analysis(the game that started it all for DF) but going all out with it.

    • @naoyanaraharjo4693
      @naoyanaraharjo4693 Před 4 lety +3

      They should focus on the difference of high and v.high shadows

    • @fullalbums5675
      @fullalbums5675 Před 4 lety +7

      there's no way they figured it all this info themselves, they had to get some kind of insight from developers

  • @rainZSlayer
    @rainZSlayer Před 4 lety +7

    It's good to hear how the devs tackled and figured out workarounds for a lot of the perf issues. Would appreciate similar content being covered more frequently ☺️

  • @ThePhantomTommy
    @ThePhantomTommy Před 4 lety +135

    It seems like there's some weird acceleration zone right at the edge of the analog stick that sends your aim flying off if you hit it accidentally. It feels completely unnatural to me. I know the game is supposed to be fast but I'd rather just up the sensitivity. Really hope they patch in the option to turn that off.

    • @megan_alnico
      @megan_alnico Před 4 lety +22

      It sounds like some kind of mouse acceleration algorithm is being applied to the sticks. Maybe it's just that they routed to stick input through the old mouse input system.

    • @mygaffer
      @mygaffer Před 4 lety +3

      "Analog stick" well there's your problem.

    • @EternalDahaka
      @EternalDahaka Před 4 lety +6

      Very unsettling, but that's been a common thing in games(Halo, Borderlands, Serious Sam, Killing Floor, Gears of War, and others are just a few examples using the mechanic). It's _supposed_ to try to make it so you can turn quickly while keep a slower 'general' turn speed, but all it's ever done is make aiming more inconsistent. It's a shame it's still being used so often, and still without options.

    • @EternalDahaka
      @EternalDahaka Před 4 lety +4

      @@mygaffer
      That's like dismissing a mouse because the game forces mouse acceleration and smoothing.
      Setting the aiming up poorly isn't the fault of the stick.

    • @iinkshade
      @iinkshade Před 4 lety +2

      That sounds almost exactly like the aiming problem on Duke Nukem Forever. I tried that game on ps3 a few years back just to see how bad it was, and strafe aiming was almost impossible. Never understood how that could be messed up.

  • @jakdex2210
    @jakdex2210 Před 4 lety +50

    Huh, looks like Resetera is coming for DF, they are already organizing about contact Eurogamer about it, for anyone curious just search resetera Digital Foundry - Ion Fury - Every Console Tested - How An Ancient Engine Stresses Current-Gen CPUs
    , you will fall on the thread were they are planning to brigade DF about Ion Fury.

    • @skippertheeyechild6621
      @skippertheeyechild6621 Před 4 lety +5

      Sigh.

    • @cAkasha
      @cAkasha Před 4 lety +30

      Or just ignore it, since their little forum of pedophiles is becoming more and more irrelevant by the day.

    • @casemiro1993
      @casemiro1993 Před 4 lety +10

      just don't give them your time or attention, they'll move on to the next worthless and stupid drama

  • @GeneralDudeMcAwesome
    @GeneralDudeMcAwesome Před 4 lety +7

    Awesome Video, Thanks man! It's astonishing how you can evoke interest in so many different topics! Cheers!

  • @voiceranger2
    @voiceranger2 Před 4 lety +4

    John, thanks so much for this analysis and for all the hard work you put into Digital Foundry. It’s easily one of my favorite CZcams channels. I will happily pick this game up on PS4, especially now that I know that there be a sweet sweet physical version.

  • @jacobsoper4708
    @jacobsoper4708 Před 4 lety +27

    Ion Fury is an absolutely fantastic game, and it really brings a smile to my face seeing that school of FPS design being kept alive in a refined form. The way these games play is inherently tied to the technology used to build them.

  • @bjamiork
    @bjamiork Před 4 lety +8

    Glad you've left ResetEra behind. It's for the best. I'm thankful for the content this channel provides, keep up the great work!

  • @user-fm8xs3hr3w
    @user-fm8xs3hr3w Před 4 lety +4

    The work Digital Foundry does is second to none!! Always amazing work!

  • @DenkyManner
    @DenkyManner Před 4 lety

    Great video, love the behind the scenes technical aspects of porting from one system to another

  • @StevenCasteelYT
    @StevenCasteelYT Před 4 lety +1

    Your highlights are blown out a little bit in your video footage. Alex finally nailed his lighting.

  • @OldMoonGames
    @OldMoonGames Před 4 lety +4

    Great video, John! Thanks for doing it!

  • @Jonabob87
    @Jonabob87 Před 4 lety +14

    It's nice to see everyone loves John lol.
    You're a good guy and you do your job exceptionally well, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

  • @MrMightyZ
    @MrMightyZ Před 4 lety

    Your presentation and script was pitch-perfect also. A+.

  • @CristianGuerreschi
    @CristianGuerreschi Před 4 lety

    Love what you are doing man, keeps me company during this hard lockdown days. keep it up!

  • @iam16bits
    @iam16bits Před 4 lety +8

    This is why I appreciate this game so much. You can see the passion the devs have for this engine, tweaking it to get running on consoles.

    • @jasonwindsor3726
      @jasonwindsor3726 Před 4 lety +2

      Yes indeed. A 20 year old modified build (duke nukem, blood, etc) engine. This game is classic and straight 🔥. 3DRealmz still in the game amazing!

  • @macklin4839
    @macklin4839 Před 4 lety +4

    I’ve been looking forward to this one for a LONG time. Seeing this engine on a switch is just... bizarre lmao. Thanks for making this video. Thanks for doing everything you do, John!

    • @phrozac
      @phrozac Před 4 lety +1

      I see this sentiment a lot. How so-and-so graphically intensive game is a surprise on Switch. Which is weird. I get it for games like Wolfenstein, Doom, and Witcher 3, but the Vita had XCOM , Uncharted Golden Abyss, and Killzone Mercenary. The Switch is way more powerful than the vIta. The Switch’s reputation for being a potato is a little unfair.

  • @Nardril
    @Nardril Před 4 lety +1

    Really great video. I think it's very interesting, if not even important, to highlight how what appears to be a really simple port can still be quite a challenge

    • @jasonmartinez5116
      @jasonmartinez5116 Před 5 měsíci

      Build engine was single core and had terrible optimization

  • @cc1912
    @cc1912 Před 2 lety

    Videos like this are so incredibly interesting; learning about how game engines work and what goes on under the hood is fascinating. Thanks!

  • @Ammothief41
    @Ammothief41 Před 4 lety +68

    I wish more modern games had levels like that.

  • @87crimson
    @87crimson Před 4 lety +52

    Great work John! Don't mind the naysayers in certain forum...

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou Před 4 lety +4

      Retry Error

    • @Kougeru
      @Kougeru Před 4 lety

      @Moist Gnome people being mad at him? Sure. They shouldn't be mad. But "the entire situation" by definition should include the homophobic shit which is NOT overblown. That's hate speech and has no place anywhere

    • @iijumperi8711
      @iijumperi8711 Před 4 lety +9

      @@Kougeru it is overblown.

    • @ShadowSumac
      @ShadowSumac Před 4 lety +5

      @@Kougeru OGAY is a hate speech? What?

    • @AriesT1
      @AriesT1 Před 4 lety +4

      @@Kougeru
      "Ogay" is just a parody of "Olay". FFS, get a life.

  • @e2rqey
    @e2rqey Před 4 lety +17

    I feel like Digital Foundry is trying to make the Switch Pro exist through sheer power of will 🤣

  • @TechMetalRules
    @TechMetalRules Před 4 lety +1

    Awesome review, thank you so much for all your hard work!

  • @xxorcaxx
    @xxorcaxx Před 4 lety +118

    Awesome Video as always and don´t let those people at ResetEra get you down John. Most People there are pure cancel culture and hate everything which is outside of the RE Echo chamber and one of the mods called Hecht is even doxxing members who might have another opionion

  • @hauntedhotdog
    @hauntedhotdog Před 4 lety +13

    Ah yes I was hoping John would cover this. I have a Ryzen 2600, 16gb RAM, and a RTX 2060, and when this game launched it gave me bizarre performance issues, so I was disappointed and a little confused. I was keeping an eye out on the console releases to see if maybe they would, inexplicably, perform better than it did on my pc. I was heartened by the Xbox One X gameplay shown in the video, especially after John mentioned the timing issue will be patched. However, I just fired up the game on my rig to see if performance has improved, and it ran buttery smooth. It's pretty much everything I wanted it to be, so the PS4 and Xbox releases are probably redundant for me.
    On a side note, something mentioned in the video piqued my curiosity, so I tested it and I can confirm that the controller support feels very strange on pc as well, so I think there is something the devs just aren't grasping and I hope they can fix it for the console players who are stuck with it. The acceleration curve is a bit extreme, and although you can probably get used to it, it definitely doesn't feel natural. I'm perfectly happy with the M+K setup, but console buyers will want to be aware of it before making a purchase.
    I was considering picking this one up on the Switch to have it on the go, but I am going to wait and see if those performance hitches and control issues can be patched out.
    Thanks again for another helpful and timely video!

  • @jaynelson1762
    @jaynelson1762 Před 4 lety +1

    Great video, been looking forward to this.

  • @Blizniak666
    @Blizniak666 Před 4 lety +1

    No wonder audio is generally uncompressed on consoles if it takes a toll on CPU otherwise. Fascinating look into what should seemingly be the easiest port job ever but ended up requiring a ton of smart workarounds. Keep up the great work as always!

  • @SgtZaqq
    @SgtZaqq Před 4 lety +8

    The backgrounds in this game look beautiful.

  • @artvoy1
    @artvoy1 Před 4 lety +14

    Hey John , great job breaking each version of the game down.
    Wish you would come back to NeoGaf , loved reading your insight there and would love to see you there again

  • @Mochilador
    @Mochilador Před 4 lety

    Amazing video!! Keep up the good work!

  • @shpearg
    @shpearg Před 4 lety +2

    Good work, John, one of your best

  • @ArabianFreedom
    @ArabianFreedom Před 4 lety +72

    Awesome cover John. Don't let those idiots (on that forum) hold you back.

    • @whostolecarlosrox
      @whostolecarlosrox Před 4 lety +26

      They're going full "with us or against us" right now like the intolerant hypocrites that they are.
      Gotta love the little trap they're trying to set for him.
      "We're either gonna get him to edit in something he may not want to or he's against us!"

    • @SeaToSkyImages
      @SeaToSkyImages Před 4 lety +3

      What forum is giving John a hard time? John rules!

    • @AriesT1
      @AriesT1 Před 4 lety +15

      @@SeaToSkyImages
      The trash called ResetEra.

    • @kellikikkerson4527
      @kellikikkerson4527 Před 4 lety +23

      Wouldn't call it a forum. It's an insane asylum.

    • @Uhcip
      @Uhcip Před 4 lety +3

      you mean talking about the devs being transphobic? there was evidence for that

  • @Bole_ZG
    @Bole_ZG Před 4 lety +4

    I'm glad that's physical copy also available for consoles. Definitely buying it.

  • @ozzyg82
    @ozzyg82 Před 4 lety +2

    Soon as I saw the game title in the description I said to myself “of course it’s going to be John”. 🙂👍🏻

  • @markwhatever256
    @markwhatever256 Před 4 lety +1

    Excellent video John

  • @duhmall
    @duhmall Před 4 lety +71

    John, did they comment on bringing this optimizations to the PC version, expanding the range on CPUs that could play the game smoothly? Like laptops and ultra portables?

    • @JadigertheReal
      @JadigertheReal Před 4 lety +2

      Is there realy a problem on PC?
      Ok i have a 3800X but the game cap is 240 fps and that is what i see a locked 240 fps.
      The cpu must be realy old too have problems to achive 60 fps.
      Singelcore ist importent for the game and too get lower than 60 fps your cpu must be 4 times slower
      in singelcore.
      I realy want too see this game on a core2duo. Can it run Ion Fury?

    • @AngryGhost114
      @AngryGhost114 Před 4 lety +6

      I would definitely want to know the feasibility of using this work to further optimize the PC version. Not only to reduce the footprint and increase framerate even higher, but hey maybe I wanna run this game on my toaster someday!

    • @sw33t.angela
      @sw33t.angela Před 4 lety +4

      The optimizations like converting the scripts to C++ and the audio tweaks probably won't be ported. The script engine makes things easy to mod and removing that would remove a feature. And there's not much reason to use a WAV on PC as audio decompression is not very taxing with modern CPUs (nor with most modern consoles although they needed to squeeze every last performance out of these mobile-based processors for this engine). However if the original devs are okay with the modified engine tweaks for batching draw calls along with a second thread for doing render calls, those could make it. The problem is how much are you actually making it a new engine and not using the classic Build Engine like they originally aimed for?

    • @johnbuscher
      @johnbuscher Před 4 lety

      @@JadigertheReal "Core2duo"
      Time to bust out the old Apple TV with the Pentium M.

    • @3dmaster205
      @3dmaster205 Před 4 lety +1

      @@JadigertheReal > Is there realy a problem on PC?
      >The cpu must be realy old too have problems to achive 60 fps.
      I suppose, on Polymost there is no issue; but then there's the Polymer renderer, adding dynamic lighting, etc. Sure the game doesn't have it out of the box, but you never know with fan mods.
      And then there's the PolymerRTX renderer. Yes, someone is actually working on a raytracing renderer for eDuke32; the sad part is, the guy likes to work alone, and he's got other stuff to do, and so he rarely finishes any of his fan-work; and you can't get the renderer anywhere, and given his track record it's likely never coming out. But you can think someone else, perhaps a group of people will get to work on and finish a RTX renderer for eDuke32; and there's a damn good possibility especially trying to raytrace a flat sprite, eDuke32 being more than 20 years old and still based upon single threat computations is going to become a major issue getting it to work.
      There's something to be said for completely overhauling eDuke32 with modern multi-core multi-threaded based code; and to differentiate it from old legacy eDuke32 to run on older computers, one could call the modern multi-core based version of the engine, eDuke64!

  • @Saberyoko
    @Saberyoko Před 4 lety +25

    John if you're reading this:
    Ignore that demented people from Resetera. They're not gamers. They're insane, twisted mind people who witch hunts and cancel others for liking a game.
    Don't answer them and don't feel the necessity of giving them any disclaimer. You're tech guys and video game lovers, not dramas.
    Do what you like and know that there are people who aways enjoy and support your work. Myself included.
    Cheers bud.

  • @RogerWazup007
    @RogerWazup007 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I'm glad these comparisons are available but wish there was a summary in the description or something. I just want a quick answer to which version is best and why.

  • @robertforster8984
    @robertforster8984 Před 4 lety +1

    Very interesting video. Much appreciated.

  • @DebugMenu
    @DebugMenu Před 4 lety +44

    The game is getting a disc release next month so hopefully that initial patch is included on the disc, but we’ll see. General Arcade generally are very good about making sure the bleeding-edge build makes it onto their discs.

    • @StickyBM
      @StickyBM Před 4 lety +3

      Lance McDonald in the comments?! Love your content!

    • @LockeTheCole
      @LockeTheCole Před 4 lety +3

      Who's doing the physical release? Limited Run? Special Reserves?

    • @Highwaysonyfan87
      @Highwaysonyfan87 Před 4 lety

      Normal physical release or is it limited?

    • @DebugMenu
      @DebugMenu Před 4 lety

      David Restrepo pretty sure just a normal deal. It’s already on lots of online stores for preorder. I might grab it on PS4.

    • @benpersaud
      @benpersaud Před 4 lety

      Lance McDonald, I hope so but idk I feel like disc production would already be happening?

  • @DeadPixel1105
    @DeadPixel1105 Před 2 lety +4

    This really is a fantastic game. Interesting little story about my experience with the game too: I purchased and first played the game in July 2020. And I just couldn't get into it. I just felt bored and uninterested playing through the first few maps. However, I had just broken up with a serious girlfriend just a few days before that and I admit I was mind-numbingly depressed and heart-broken at the time. I was smart enough to realize: "I don't think I can blame the game. I think I'm just really fucked up in the head right now because of this breakup and that's preventing me from enjoying things as I normally would."
    Fast-forward to just a few months ago... Time had healed the wounds and I was over that heartbreak. I decided to fire the game up again on Steam and give it another try. I was HOOKED from the very opening. Whenever I played, I always had to force myself to turn the game off eventually because I had other things to do. Such an incredible, immersive, and well-crafted game in every way. Sure enough: I was correct in assuming that being depressed was the cause of my lack of enjoyment with the game. I'm glad I had the presence of mind to not blame the game and eventually gave it another chance. It really is a gem.
    Sorry for the wall of text and rambling about my personal life. Just wanted to share my experience with the game.

  • @drakason
    @drakason Před 4 lety

    Looking good with the stubble John!

  • @M.W.H.
    @M.W.H. Před 4 lety +2

    I wish contineous prosper for this channel and the likes. They are important and the guys working in them are first class techs and gamers.

  • @Shieftain
    @Shieftain Před 4 lety +18

    It's good to see that unlike the developers, John has a backbone and didn't capitulate to the strange folks at resetera. Keep up the good work, and always remember to never apologize!

  • @Rationalific
    @Rationalific Před 4 lety +48

    It's still shocking that even with those inefficiencies in the engine, that modern consoles, especially Switch, cannot just brute force it. The team did a very good job optimizing what they could, and your input improved a game that would have likely stuttered for good. Leave it to Digital Foundry to look into problems that developers didn't even know they had!

    • @sw33t.angela
      @sw33t.angela Před 4 lety +9

      I think they knew about the issue and had it fixed before DF contacted them.
      Also, the Switch CPU is the issue here as it's actually much weaker than the Jaguar-based cores in the other consoles (which is surprising to me because I thought they would be similar being both older mobile-spec processors). It just can't handle the old engine's single-thread demands.

    • @Psydrre
      @Psydrre Před 4 lety +7

      Nothing suprising about Switch, that hardware is trash

    • @MasterMayhem78
      @MasterMayhem78 Před 4 lety +4

      It just highlights how amateur the development team is.

    • @BurritoKingdom
      @BurritoKingdom Před 4 lety +11

      It's cause they use a single core rather than multiple cores. Remember build was made in the 90s before multi-core CPUs were a thing.
      Pretty sure they could do 60fps on Switch if they converted the engine to use the GPU and multi cores.

    • @sw33t.angela
      @sw33t.angela Před 4 lety +12

      @@MasterMayhem78 they set out to use the original engine that Duke Nukem 3D used (with the 'newer' improvements added after) to keep that aesthetic from the limitations of the original engine. That's so uncalled for to trash the dev team for it.

  • @DrPacman
    @DrPacman Před 4 lety

    what a great video. that team did unbelievably well

  • @alessandrob.g.4524
    @alessandrob.g.4524 Před 4 lety

    Great video, John

  • @UGOTNUKED
    @UGOTNUKED Před 4 lety +21

    Thank you John for not throwing these great devs under the bus simply because the mob on a certain forum demanded it.

  • @millrrs
    @millrrs Před 4 lety +25

    Good work. Just ignore resetera.

  • @aL3891_
    @aL3891_ Před 4 lety

    Great stuff, as always

  • @nerdbit84
    @nerdbit84 Před 4 lety

    This video is so much better than the rest of the reviews that didn't even mention the inverted issues. Thanks

  • @a-dutch-z7351
    @a-dutch-z7351 Před 4 lety +73

    This is the actual Unreal V demo.

  • @sashimidimsums
    @sashimidimsums Před 4 lety +16

    I always look forward to the “stay retro” at the end.

  • @edgarcia4475
    @edgarcia4475 Před 4 lety

    John's reports are best, always 👌 & knowingly yet brutal honesty

  • @TheSteinin
    @TheSteinin Před 4 lety

    Great video!

  • @chero666
    @chero666 Před 4 lety +177

    Get off Resetera. They aren’t your friends or even your customers. You do a great service to the gaming community and don’t need their BS in your life or content. They hate for no reason and eat their own.
    Get out and be happy. If you haven't learned from Voidpoint and 3D Realms, Resetera have no real power. They aren't an audience big enough to cater to and you'd be doing a great disservice to your own brand by siding with them to the point of groveling when you do something that goes against their psychotic credo.
    Get out
    edit: Look at your approval rate on this. If Resetera mattered, this video would've seen a backlash. Just saying, Resetera aren't your audience. People who actually play video games are.

    • @CZpersi
      @CZpersi Před 4 lety +9

      Frankly, until this "controversy" I did not even know that there is such thing called Resetera. People do not care too much about it outside the North American "bubble".

  • @shalahmadi
    @shalahmadi Před 4 lety +41

    What about implementing these fixes to the PC version to give it a higher performance with low end PCs

  • @chloewebb5526
    @chloewebb5526 Před rokem +2

    Duke Nukem had an entirely different build for each console. Saturn definitely took the cake for best port, being built from the ground up in true 3D, same with the N64 version. Hell, the Saturn port of Doom had development issues where they had to scrap progress on the build they were making and rush out a version that just ran Doom in Software mode - it was a slide show that ran at 10fps. Consoles back then were each so wildly unique in how they worked compared to PCs or even eachother lol, so it was to be expected.

  • @Tsinij
    @Tsinij Před 4 lety +1

    Fantastic video John!
    Inverted aim is the only way to play!

  • @kayfluff
    @kayfluff Před 4 lety +103

    I'm sorry to see a certain website of self-righteous twerps set their sights on you, cowardly justifying their dogpile tactics as totally not bullying and banning anyone who calls it out as the political grandstanding it really is. You do exhaustive, fantastic research on a variety of platforms, game engines and development processes, and it is unfair for others to demand background checks and public denouncing of content or creators with threats of labeling you bigot, fascist, lefthanded, whatever the offense. Just know you've done nothing wrong.

  • @bladechild2449
    @bladechild2449 Před 4 lety +41

    Thanks for this. Have seen that you've been called out for this video on ResetEra. Please ignore them. In fact, do yourself a favour and cease any activity with that band of crackerjacks.

    • @Wheelman2004
      @Wheelman2004 Před 4 lety +9

      Just saw what you're talking about and wow, what a sad excuse for a "gaming" "forum". If that website ceased to exist, nothing of value would be lost.

  • @rezzthecontroller790
    @rezzthecontroller790 Před 4 lety +1

    This needs to be shown to anyone complaining about the console ports. So happy to hear about all of this as I'm very much enjoying this game and only wish to see it improved. Thank you so much for making this video. (Side note: I personally have no problem aiming and playing this on controller, but I am used to it at this point. Just annoys me that some reviews dock it points for "handling bad" when that just means, "I'm used to mouse and keyboard". Apologies for sounding apprehensive, I've just been waiting a while to play this as I don't have a gaming PC and I knew I would love this game. XD)

  • @plugpulled
    @plugpulled Před 4 lety

    Excellent music choice for the video

  • @squall116
    @squall116 Před 4 lety +61

    Awesome video.And as for resetera and some members that were offended by your coverage don't bother john.They are nutjobs that get offended by everything

    • @487zxcas
      @487zxcas Před 4 lety +13

      They are extremist intolerant lefties for whom anyone not sharing their viewpoint is an enemy, and are bullying John in the threads...

    • @Zikk0_o
      @Zikk0_o Před 4 lety +9

      Not surprising, seeing as though the harbor pedos and child groomers.

    • @squall116
      @squall116 Před 4 lety +2

      @Stellar Gnoma I believe they use such places that they know pedos or bad people come so they can tag them and have them on watch list

    • @squall116
      @squall116 Před 4 lety

      @Stellar Gnoma Amir0x? He was one of the most respected members there. What happened?

  • @AriesT1
    @AriesT1 Před 4 lety +118

    Please, John, you have to leave ResetEra. You are so much better than this.
    It is a cesspool. They WANT to drag you down. They WANT to drag you into drama. That is their sole purpose.
    You know what they did with Alex when he discussed PS5 (afair). You see what they do if you like something they do not. Just because of something irrelevant as a 10x10 pixel big "Olay" bottle. I cannot believe that devs and other officials are still on there. Just leave those assholes that ban EVERYONE who has some sort of decency (like in their topic about this review). Why are devs like Naughty Dog and Limited Run Games people even on that forum? Those ppl only want you to feel bad. Do not let them win, ever.

    • @Shieftain
      @Shieftain Před 4 lety +27

      Naughty dog is on there because they perfectly fit into their culture.

    • @ShadowSumac
      @ShadowSumac Před 4 lety +13

      @@Shieftain Sad, but true.

    • @whostolecarlosrox
      @whostolecarlosrox Před 4 lety +5

      @@tranilator What was your user name? I saw some fucking pathetic bans in that thread. And I finally got perma banned over pathetic shit too. They're too scared to even let you dispute or appeal their bullshit bans either.

    • @ShadowSumac
      @ShadowSumac Před 4 lety

      @@tranilatorAs expected. I would've been surprised if it didn't happen.

    • @livingthedream915
      @livingthedream915 Před 4 lety +2

      ResetEra doesn't deserve you. This video was based on a purely technological standpoint and yet that STILL isn't enough for these lowlifes. No, you need to act like any game that pisses them off DOESN'T EXIST without any compromise. That's abusive and manipulative behavior, and you don't deserve it.

  • @Hunter725R
    @Hunter725R Před 4 lety

    been waiting for this :)

  • @sjekx
    @sjekx Před 4 lety

    Great video :)

  • @wssayer
    @wssayer Před 4 lety +5

    I bought this on Xbox one X and switch, one for home and one on the go ( had some switch credit). Even though it suffers technically next to the X version, I actually prefer playing on the Switch because of the giro assisted aiming. It is so much easier to get head shots off and conserve ammo.

  • @mygaffer
    @mygaffer Před 4 lety +6

    I bought this on GOG, it's a fun game. I'd also recommend checking out Project Warlock.

  • @Nolasco.
    @Nolasco. Před 4 lety

    Indeed, I really hope the latest patch will be included in the physical version for the ps4pro. Thanks for a great video 😊 👍

  • @carllavery4442
    @carllavery4442 Před 4 lety +1

    Great video and a good insight into why older games don't necessarily run better on modern hardware. I finally got round to fixing my laptop so I'll pick this up on Steam

  • @mistersurrealist
    @mistersurrealist Před 4 lety +7

    I can't imagine playing this blistering fast shooter with a controller.
    This is the type of game you play with a mouse and keyboard.
    Having said that, I'm still glad it was released on consoles. EVERYONE should experience this fantastic game.

  • @LewisHamiltonMSPR
    @LewisHamiltonMSPR Před 4 lety +80

    John, I surely hope you get to see this and take it in. I've seen your posts on different forums where you've repeatedly stated how difficult you find things sometimes, especially in regards to keeping people happy. A FORUM LIKE RESETERA WILL NEVER BE HAPPY, THEY WILL ALWAYS FEEL OUTRAGE (most likely because they are so unhappy with their own lives), so do not bother wasting your time, emotions and energy on it WHATSOEVER. It is not good for your own mental health, which is evident for us to see, and the only thing users on that forum want is to completely destroy any poor soul that is not their own. Their lives are so unhinged and miserable that the will not stop until you commit suicide. (Remember many of them celebrating Etika's death?)
    Leave that forum of mental illness and never look back, they do not have a gun to your head so little point in treating them like they have one pointed at you. There is not a single reason to give two shits what they or anyone else will think, you need to make sure that you're own wellbeing is top priority.
    I will be so damn mad if you stop performing your EXCELLENT and passionate work/videos because of a bunch of rejects. I remember seeing your posts on Neogaf not that long ago that all of the backlash and vitriol you recieve has stopped you from enjoying your job and hobby, making you want to quit it all. I was a little worried about your wellbeing in those posts, let alone what it is like now by actually listening to people on Resetera - there is a reason why they are infamously nicknamed Reeeesetera/Rejectera/Retardera and so on and it's not just because the people calling them that have juvenile behaviour.
    I replied to you before on there and doing so again here. You clearly are a caring person that wants everyone to be happy, but this is impossible to do. Do not weigh yourself down by trying to satisfy those who cannot be satisfied!

  • @gibgun
    @gibgun Před 4 lety +2

    Thanks for these breakdowns. I loved playing this game on PC. I still keep it installed in case I feel like playing through again!

  • @ranss
    @ranss Před 4 lety

    Thanks, John.

  • @elimalinsky7069
    @elimalinsky7069 Před 4 lety +58

    This game will always be known to me as Ion Maiden. Such a shame that Iron Maiden lawyers went after this naming scheme when they had absolutely no case against it.

    • @thisjointisloose
      @thisjointisloose Před 4 lety

      What's the number of your office Mr Lawyer

    • @renofheavens2
      @renofheavens2 Před 4 lety +3

      @@thisjointisloose 666 the number of the beast

    • @omanimitokanimi7976
      @omanimitokanimi7976 Před 4 lety +3

      Do you think the game would have been named Iron Maiden given an alternative world where no famous band would bear that name? Yes, I know there is that torture device, but I wish people would stop pretending that the naming had absolutely nothing to do with the band.
      Edit: Ah, f*ck, yes, it wasn't straight up called Iron Maiden before the name change, but Ion Maiden, like commented below. However, what I said still applies.

    • @snetmotnosrorb3946
      @snetmotnosrorb3946 Před 4 lety +6

      I will hate Iron Maiden forever unless they change. BS like this makes the world a worse place. If I ever get the chance to ruin one of their concerts I'll do it. I hope they become broke and homeless and d!e painfully. This is war.

    • @madfinntech
      @madfinntech Před 4 lety +2

      Indeed. It's Ion Maiden forever!

  • @nomercy8989
    @nomercy8989 Před 4 lety +33

    Are they going to implement all these engine updates in the pc version as well?

    • @knight_ki11er
      @knight_ki11er Před 4 lety +1

      But why? PC version very well optimized already.

    • @Enderu666
      @Enderu666 Před 4 lety +23

      @@knight_ki11er No, it's not. It's very inefficient and just brute-forcing everything.

    • @midknight1339
      @midknight1339 Před 4 lety +8

      @@knight_ki11er My laptop can run Tomb Raider (2013) at 60 FPS and can't handle Ion Fury at 30. Considering the difference in graphics, it seems that Ion Fury has some of the worst optimization I've seen in a commercially-popular game.

    • @Jorvik-The-Poor
      @Jorvik-The-Poor Před 4 lety

      EDuke32 is being constantly updated. I play Ion Fury on an old Mac (using EDuke32) and it runs like a dream.

    • @matrix255
      @matrix255 Před 4 lety +1

      @@midknight1339 My PC is a toaster, nearly 10 years old and Ion Fury runs at 100 + fps. I found difficult to believe your laptop can run such a game like Tomb Raider but not Ion Fury?

  • @MadsonOnTheWeb
    @MadsonOnTheWeb Před 4 lety

    Great video as usual John. One question, are these changes coming to the oficial build on pc? It would be interesting to have optionally optimized build for older PCs.

  • @cyberdemon9306
    @cyberdemon9306 Před 4 lety

    Ok now i understand why the first time i played this game on my crap laptop it almost exploded... i had to change some settings to make it work properly.. makes total sense now!! thanks for this amazing technical review

  • @reNINTENDO
    @reNINTENDO Před 4 lety +3

    This is a really interesting case study. Hearing they had to implement texture atlasing and significantly reduce draw calls is something you run into pretty quickly when working on contemporary games, but that's because poly counts get so high. It's not like the Switch can't push out significantly more polygons than what's in this game at 60 fps. But those draw calls become a bottle neck very quickly. That said, it's all relative. 3000 isn't too bad on PC from my experience (likely due to legacy needs, fittingly enough), but if the architecture is more reliant on specific limitations to balance other enhancements I can definitely see performance issues coming out of left field.

    • @donemansion
      @donemansion Před 4 lety

      Bro, xbox one x, ps4 pro, switch, pc is very unplayable ion fury Day one. It have nothing to do cpu usage. Ion fury is huge fucked up game code. They need to update game code fix, its very funny digital foundry said ion fury use cpu usage and Hardware limited, it make no sense.

  • @garethfairclough8715
    @garethfairclough8715 Před 4 lety +9

    I wonder how something like an MDK remaster would look & feel on modern systems.

  • @MrSiloterio
    @MrSiloterio Před 4 lety +1

    Awesome falsetto at 3:26

  • @TeiTenga
    @TeiTenga Před 4 lety

    Switch's 1080p60 mode seemed quite alright - Nifty they kept it in through the Konami Code. The mid-gen refreshes doing 4K60 on this = not a first i reckon, but for a shooter, it might just be.
    PS4 and XBO doing 1080p60 is honestly more impressive on the XBO side of things because of its slightly reduced spec.
    Impressively, i was amazed that General Arcade went with Polymost for this - Seeing as IF on PC is recommended mostly to play in ''Classic''. Good old Polymost. Even today Ken Silverman's original code powers new worlds (Creator of Polymost some 15-16 years ago).
    Great video and such a recommended game from a gameplay perspective.

  • @JP-yt5st
    @JP-yt5st Před 4 lety +20

    If DF bends to Reset don't bother bringing up your Patreon.

    • @scottylans
      @scottylans Před 4 lety +8

      Agreed. Stop taking everything reset say as gospel. They're a cult there and delusional. Please just keep an open mind on crazy political stuff. I like this channel, don't go down that path

    • @whostolecarlosrox
      @whostolecarlosrox Před 4 lety +1

      You're being no better than they are talking shit like this.

  • @MrHeller55
    @MrHeller55 Před 4 lety +16

    Does anyone else want this engine to be used to make an open world RPG?

  • @paul1979uk2000
    @paul1979uk2000 Před 4 lety

    Looks like my kind of game, a bit like Duke Nukem 3D, will have to buy it on the PC.
    I wouldn't have thought that it would be difficult to get this running on consoles but considering all the modifications done to the engine and everything else they've done to the game on a scope that is bigger than what was possible in the 90's on these engines, it's quite understandable why it was a difficult task and it was well explained in the video on why the task was difficult, especially on consoles with the limited cpu cycles.

  • @shadowlLink
    @shadowlLink Před 4 lety

    Can't wait for that update

  • @8BitRetroMonkey
    @8BitRetroMonkey Před 4 lety +12

    Couldn’t they drop the switch resolution to 900p to deliver a solid 60fps? After all it looks like it almost hits it at 1080p

    • @onizuka4534
      @onizuka4534 Před 4 lety +12

      Its probably a cpu bottleneck. Still surprised that switch can't handles 60 FPS

    • @kupokinzyt
      @kupokinzyt Před 4 lety

      @@onizuka4534 ive been playing this on my Galaxy s6 at 60fps and 800x600

    • @VariantAEC
      @VariantAEC Před 4 lety

      @referral madness
      Don't mind him he is clearly drunk.

    • @RoboP
      @RoboP Před 4 lety +1

      I would if Rich with his infamous OC Switch and testing would make a difference if that were applied whilst playing Ion Fury?
      I am legit curious.

    • @iinkshade
      @iinkshade Před 4 lety +1

      It's not a GPU related issue. Dropping the resolution won't give any returns on framerate.

  • @berndlauert3750
    @berndlauert3750 Před 4 lety +57

    It's interesting to watch the ResetEra cry-bullies trying to force John to do something he obviously doesn't want to do. I wonder if he's gonna break.

    • @whostolecarlosrox
      @whostolecarlosrox Před 4 lety +29

      Gotta love their "make a statement" or else mentality.
      What fuckin' phonies.

    • @straxan
      @straxan Před 4 lety +3

      What happened? All the comments are mentioning resetera but I can't find what actually happened

    • @ShadowSumac
      @ShadowSumac Před 4 lety +29

      @@straxan Ion Fury devs made a joke, which some snowflakes assumed was Homophobic (putting bottle of shampoo or parfume called OGAY in the game).
      Also, they made some statements on a forum that mutilating kids in depression, on a chance they might be transsexuals, is not helpful. Of course it was deemed as a horrid hate crime against trans people.
      John didn't know about this drama, and as soon as he posted review on RetardEra he was attacked by aborigines who lusted for his blood for the "wrong think". John apologized, but I hope he will get his spine back and won't submit to their insanity.

  • @EVPointMaster
    @EVPointMaster Před 4 lety

    5:22 the way John said that, makes it sound like he knows more than he is allowed to say

  • @matthewnichols6687
    @matthewnichols6687 Před 4 lety +1

    Good to hear we are getting a phisical copy with this one and not being scammed by limited run like we did with streets of Rage 4.

  • @Kiryutka22
    @Kiryutka22 Před 2 lety +3

    Runs flawlessly on PS5!

  • @Houdini111
    @Houdini111 Před 4 lety +6

    Will they be porting some/all of those changes to PC?

  • @user-mb1tp8su8s
    @user-mb1tp8su8s Před 4 lety

    Great Vid

  • @MrLaelFelipe
    @MrLaelFelipe Před 4 lety +2

    Detail, you can use the Steam control setting to use the analog stick as a mouse and add settings like response curve, deadzone, sensitivity and have a more comfortable joystick aim on the PC, the developers could use a similar solution to solve this problem on consoles.

    • @EternalDahaka
      @EternalDahaka Před 4 lety

      It's really unfortunate that those options aren't default in games. Those should have been staples over a decade ago.
      Super silly too that you can get better controller support on PC, and get better support with outside programs.