How Every Culprit Could Have Won Their Class Trials
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So, Kaito would have won if he wasn’t so based. I dislike Kaito, but I can’t deny that chapter 5’s trial was his best moment imo
Kaito is the most based dr character bro 😤 no cap frfr
@@YourFavoriteNPC but… sakura
@@remirusaiki pardon me, you are right
He would not have won, Shuichi proved everything.
Maki still would've stuck on to Kaito, but Shuichi would've had the rest on his side and he would very much vote him out, thats what his entire journey throughout the game is about.
The murder being unsolvable as stated in the video is false.
Edit: This is not quite true, Shuichi did solve it so its not unsolvable bit he tried to lie for Kaito which Monokuma probably would've sniffed out so Kaito would indeed have 'won'
@@connecthypen mans got a full script and still failed
I find it HILARIOUS that there’s one trial in every game where the killer could have won by just shutting the fuck up.
The problem is that they would have still been found out, even without it. All of them had solid evidences against them.
@@Chaki21 actually in Mondo's case the only person that knew for sure it was him was Byakuya, and like, he was an asshole and probably nobody would belive him. If Mondo shuted up and didn't call Chihiro "dude" he probably would have won
@@molequesgames784 there's also the broken e-handbook, only owada knew that it could break from the sauna.
@@Chaki21 well idk about Kaito’s case but the rest is possible (I think Korekiyo would’ve survive if they never mentioned Tenko)
@@nveeously Even if he never confessed, he still had like the most suspiscions on.
Gundham and Kaito basically lost their respective trials because they are selfless chads.
I hate when people say that Gundam sacrificed himself to be short he just wanted to teach them not to give up on life because he could of easily just of came out as the culprit if he was truly sacrificing himself. The reason why he fought during the trial is his philosophy that life shouldn't be given up on
@@aquwa1138 that is so cool maaaan i love gundham
@@aquwa1138 yeah he basically said that given up on life is an insult to life itself
Common Kaito and Gundam W
@@aquwa1138 yeah it is true, but the fact that Gundam didn't want to win is also true because he really could've won or at least make this case far more harder for everyone. He DID give a lot of hints and he DIDN'T try to deny that he is a killer. So maybe he wanted to teach everyone to appreciate life, but he still had no real intentions to win
It’s so sad when you really think about how Kaede refused to take the first blood perk. She had a suicidal amount of guilt involving Rantaro. Either she would make up for her mistakes, or she would die trying.
What would monokuma do if the wrong person raised their hand? He would either have to hold a trial, ultimately proving that the person who raised their hand is innocent, or let them escape with a blood perk
A win win situation to be honest
Ngl when rantaro went, its rantaroin time and actually got kaede’ed bro😔 ngl that hit me hard
@@orange5591i thought in the story there was a small sized bug that helped monokuma to surveillance the entire school?
@@squid2638 tru dat, I believe they’re called the nanokumas.
The worst part was in the end, she was _innocent,_ having completely missed.
for those wondering why nagito's original plan wasn't succesed :
he wanted everyone (except traitor) to be punished and the traitor to win
it's been like two years since i've played this chapter and i still don't understand
@@luckygirliroha okay so i hope i can explain this properly but here we go. you know the whole thing is basically the neo world program which is a program developed by future foundation that is meant to "fix" all of our characters. why fix them? bc they're the remnants of despair. so they're connected to the ultimate despair, junko enoshima. they were put into this "danganronpa" neo world simulation by the future foundation so that they feel hope instead of despair. BUT there was 1 person who was not a remnant of despair and that was chiaki aka "the traitor". why? because she is not real :D she is an ai created by future foundation. lets talk abt the reason nagito did all of this. its because he knew they were all remnants of despair (except the traitor) including himself. and since he wanted hope to win more than anything, he thought that all remnants of despair should die, as i've said, including himself too. so he decided that he should create an unsolvable murder, this way they couldn't guess who murdered him. and since the rules go by "if you cant guess who done it you all die". they would die, except the blackened (which is chiaki bc her bomb thing killed nagito while they were trying to open the gate) SOOO thats why he did it :DD but obviously it didnt work bc chiaki told them that she was the traitor, so she got executed :(((((
@@luckygirliroha Hey! I can explain it. So Nagito obtained a book after clearing The Final Dead Room, which from he learned, that all of his classmates except the 'traitor' were ultimate despair. (the traitor is Chiaki) And we know, that Nagito despised despair, therefore he wanted them dead, and he wanted Chiaki to be alive. So he trusted his luck, and he was hoping, that Chiaki would be the one killing him. (with a fire grenade, that contained poison) After Chiaki unintentionally killed him, he wanted the others think, that he comitted suicide, so in the voting time they vote for him (nagito) as the blackened.
But Chiaki noticed, that the cause of death wasn't mentioned in the Monokuma file, therefore it'd spoil the identity of the culprit. So they deduced, that Nagito didn't die because of the spear or whatever it was, but because of a pioson he obtained at The Final Dead Room.
Now, the most convinient for Nagito would be, that the person killing him was the traitor, so Chiaki. That being done, he wanted the others to vote for him as the blackened, and even if they figure out his true intentions, then they wouldn't be able to figure out who the culprit is, because there's no way they'd know which one of them threw the grenade that contained the poison that killed Nagito.
But the others trusted Nagito's luck, and voted for the person Nagito wanted to be the killer.
A hope it was helpful, but to be fair, his trial was one of the most twisted one in the game, so it's kinda hard to explain. I suggest you play chapter 5 once more, and maybe it'll be less confusing. :DDD
@@aylainsworth thank you sm!! i finally got it. it was rlly confusing to me bc i didn't understand why he wanted the traitor to survive, but it rlly makes sense now! thank you once again
@@Pillssss ty sm!!! i understand now!
For the first case:
-I mean, Leon did clean up. He cleaned the murder scene of any hair and got rid of his bloody shirt. The former was what cleared Naegi of suspicion but the latter was what three suspicion onto him.
- For Teruteru, he had to scream, otherwise he would have been suspected from the start since he wasnt in the dining hall and was the more likely suspect. The only reason he became more suspicious was due to Mikan trippinf, something he could not foresee.
Let's say Teruteru didn't scream. Everyone would still think he was in the kitchen. If he was in the kitchen to them, it would make sense as to why he didn't see Mikan trip.
@@hannahwishon9958 but since everyone outside of the dining hall had alibis, and it had to have been done from under the floor due to the blood splatter, he would still be the prime suspect, just with less conclusive evidence.
For god sakes, thank you. Really irritated me the video never pointed out either of those bits.
@@hannahwishon9958 Except for one very important caveat. Ultimate Imposter did a kitchen equipment check and found out that an iron skewer is missing. Teruteru was the one who said "equipment goes missing all the time" and that it was already missing. That was his word - he made it a point to say that instead of concern of losing equipment. Chefs don't like it when proper equipment is missing. He's the cook, and he had absolute access to the kitchen. If you watch the Game Grumps playthrough of DR2, they'll even comment on the missing skewer. It's basically Chekhov's Gun. Given enough time, suspicion would have been thrown on him anyways.
I really hate that Mikan's dumbass upskirt moment was the reason to suspect teruteru.
Celeste: just like those guys did
Makoto: how could you have known taka was dead
Celeste: Sayaka, Junko, Leon, Chihiro, Mondo. Those guys
So true so true
That’s what I was thinking when I heard the line for the first time. “Those guys”could’ve been the ones that died before
Great writing 101
😒🙄
Another thing about Kaito’s case, If he had just let Kokichi die from the poison and THEN crushed him, there would literally be no way to pin it on him. He’s just too nice of a guy.
but if that had happened, Maki would have been to blame.
@@NyuAckerman Yeah. But they wouldn’t know that for sure. Only one who would is Kaito.
Imagine Kaito comes out and everyone, including Monokuma thinks it’s Kaito. Monokuma announces they are correct and the Kaito pulls out the “NO THATS WRONG!”
@@dablazingbryan5559 that would've taken too long (or not, maybe) till there a lot of things could've happened that may gonne wrong. Like Maki come back with the others
But then a big part of Kokichi’s plan was the proof that Monokumas wrong, being Kaito, of course.
Cause if Monokuma were to say Kokichi is the culprit, then Kaito reveals himself to be alive, proving Monokuma wrong.
If Kokichi died to the poison, and Kaito were to say that Maki killed him, there would be no proof of his claim.
But thats just what i think...
@@bentoboxd2 smartest
I love how everyone just unanimously agreed that 11037 is just Leon's "canon" name. 😂
Lol
whos leon? i only know 11037?
Leon’s dad is Elon Musk.
@@DemonKingIblisLmao what- 😭
@@DemonKingIblisno wonder Leon is leaning towards the right wing agenda
if nobody killed each other and the time limit ran out, wouldn't rantaro be the only one who dies? since it says that everyone who was *forced* to participate died. only rantaro was forced and all the other students + mastermind joined willingly
Hmm I never thought about that, good point!
bitch dies in every universe my god
well good point but the thing is that there is actually a chance that the others were also forced to participate because Tsumugi was bullshitting most of the time and multiple things she said contradicted each other so yeah who knows what the truth actually was
@@flakeshakee I believe Tsumugi was indeed talking BS. I mean we know at the very beginning when we see Kaede and Shuichi for the 1st time, Kaede did say that she was kidnapped in broad daylight.
That must have been her actual memories meaning everyone was kidnapped and brought into this and the Monokubs actually forgot to erase their memories at that point
@@aaronjake1376 that's true. it's a weird thing indeed and theres even a theory that she cosplayed as them in the stage in her lab but im not sure abt that theory. maybe the kidnap thing was there just to make the player believe smth else? idk
maybe they signed a contract or something 🤷♀️🤷♀️
Not creators trying to ruin Kiyo's character in every way possible.
Making a character with such potential a waste.
First he mentions he killed Tenko himself.
Then even if did a new rule was there that only the first murderer is blackened they could have let him lived.
And in the end giving such an absurd backstory.
They really had something with Kiyo 💀
Bro kiyo was the biggest bruh character in dr 💀
and i still somehow love him, my boi needs therapy
Team danganronpa hated him damn
Character assesination
@@YourFavoriteNPC IKR? I thought we got a new Gundham Expectations ruined.
Smh still my favourite 💀
The sad thing about kaede’s case is that she was probably screwed from the start. If she came forward and said she killed rantaro then monokuma could just say that she didn’t and probably punish her for trying to take credit and then tsumugi would be allowed to leave and get away with it.
well, not really. if what you said was the case, the game would've ended right as everyone voted for Kaede.
She could've gotten out of suspicion if she mentioned the blood on Rantaro's hands
Actually, since Angie's murder was because of going into the room for the seance, and that's where her blood was found, if Kiyo didn't kill again he wouldve been able to go free due to lack of evidence
And it would have been really easy to blame Tenko
poor guy deserves better than incest
THAT’S TRUE ACTUALLY!! That applies to Leon and Sayaka! Neither of them were aware of the trial process; which is probably why their plans/murders were so simplistic. I imagine that if Sayaka was put on trial she’d be so damn confused.
Mondo would've been screwed even if he didnt mention the tracksuit, Byakuya knew that he bonked Cheerio.
Yeah but I think he wouldn't have revealed it. In his eyes if the others couldn't figure out something so simple (to him) then they would lose this "game".
Edit: Also, without evidence who's gonna believe Byakuya? The asshole who tried to frame someone else entirely? He killed his credit for that trial the moment he desecrated Chihiro's corpse to frame Gencoide Jill. I feel like had Mondo never started calling Chihiro "dude" then he'd have a better shot, as that was clued Kyoko in that Mondo knew something they didn't.
Also Celestia could mention everything she saw and then they could have a theory about the murderer is someone who is strong and Got it.
Cheerio??
Yeah but who is gonna believe bakayuka the dude is a crypto nft bro 💀💀💀
@@nobgs4505 I agree that the others probably wouldn't have trusted him, but Byakuya would have revealed that he saw Mondo. In the end if they couldn't discover who the killer is, they would all die, including Byakuya
i think for mondo and celeste’s trials, people forget that they don’t have to vote with convicting evidence and it’s just majority votes. even if mondo never mentioned the track suit, there was still the handbooks broken by the sauna, and not to mention byakuya literally saw mondo carry the body and kyoko also suspected mondo right away, so it would just have to take the both of them to convince everyone. and with celeste it’s essentially the same thing, even tho her apparent evidence was the stuff she said, it doesn’t change the fact that she was the most suspicious out of everyone during the whole thing. she was the only one actually “seeing” the killer move around, pointed the finger right away at yasuhiro, dismissive when people were questioning how the killer was moving around, took a picture when hifumi was getting attacked, and basically was the most likely person to work and manipulate hifumi since everyone has seen celeste have hifumi under her heel before. again at that point celeste was just so suspicious that even if there wasn’t incriminating evidence against her, you would just have to argue about her suspicious behavior and get majority votes
another thing is how her personality changed completely, how the whole time she was acting very confident and overpowering with her feelings, and also the fact that when the killing started she said "I even begged him, so i could survive" i think like 30% of the player base instantly suspected her having something to do with it at that moment.
Fr and mondo was never gonna win since Kuya already saw him kill there was no way for mondo to win
I made a comment just now about how Celeste could have won and it was just straight kill Hifumi. She tried too hard and wrangling two murders was too much. Killing Hifumi removes all the evidence and name drop he did and leaves Taka as a suspect.
@@michaellatner975 I think that actually was in character with the personality she was showing us from the start. "Survival of the fittest", she always talked about giving up everything everyone loved just to have a bigger chance to survive. Begging, if it was the most obvious way to survive, would be in character with her
0:47 “Should’ve kept your mouth shut!”
Him: “Tf-“
Finnaly someone who noticed this lol
You misunderstand the V3 5th trial. Kokichi's end game was for Monokuma to get it wrong, that was the whole point. However, Monokuma was now sure that Kaito was the culprit. With that now confirmed in his mind, Shuichi was failing to gaslight him into thinking that Kokichi was actually the culprit. Sadly Shuichi realized too late that Kaito and Kokichi were trying to save everyone, and it wasn't gonna be possible to make Monokuma mess up anymore. Once it was certain that Monokuma got it right, both Kokichi and Kaido respectively would most likely have gotten out of the exisal and let themselves get executed, because BOTH Kaito and Kokichi just wanted to end the game. It's not like Kokichi wanted everyone to die and Kaito to escape.
monokuma never wouldve gotten it wrong anyway. Tsumugi wrote all the characters and probably would now that Kokichi would do something like this
Yes but is imposible to know if he died to the poison or the crush, i mean, if kaito would have waited a bit more the culprit would have been Maki
@@NaibSubedarnot exactly, sure she made the characters, but multiple times in the story do the characters actions surprise her, you have to remember monokuma actively said he need help from shuichi
It's a shame how almost all the class trials in DR 1 and 2 ended cause of a stupid mistake, would have been much cooler if they actually used proper evidence to find out who the killer is without them admitting it
Well, we're talking about high schoolers here, excluding every Ultimate-some crime or some inspection work related, no way they'd all be 100% pros at killing; I kinda agree with you tho.
@@robertoinzunza7588 well it does make it more sad
@@robertoinzunza7588 yeah but you would think for example celestia would learn from Mondo's mistake or Mikan from Teruteru
@@V1Boulder well i don't see Celeste following mondo's mistake and let's leave Mikan she was infected by despair disease
@@pokemonmasterz5604 i say that more as celetse watched mondo say something that outed him as the killer, both made the same stupid mistake. but yeah i suppose mikan gets a pass because of the despair disease
In the anime, the decisive clue for Mondo's case was only blue jacket, but in the game, there were talks about the student handbook too so even if he didn't say anything about the jacket, they could just check his handbook and confirm things.
Mikan didn't have to say anything about camera at all. By elimination, there was only 1 person who could record the video when Hajime was in the lobby.
Proof that Gundham went to the dead room was the tools that he used. But that doesn't matter. If he said he went out to the bathroom during the rumble, he should've met/heard Nekomaru or the killer because Fuyuhiko only saw Nekomaru during 7 pm until the alarm rang. Even if he accused Nagito, Nagito was like the weakest, he couldn't possibly fight against Nekomaru. The more likely person to accuse was actually Fuyuhiko. Man was a sole witness and the ultimate yakuza. Pretty sure he knew a thing or two to fight without hamsters.
Nagito's plan failed simply because of plot armor. Chiaki should not be able to confess at all like Monomi said. Call it a miracle or whatever, there's no explanation why it happened, nor why it didn't happen earlier.
I mean Nagitos plan basically succeeded He just didn't acocunt for Chiaki coming clean, I don't really see how thats plot armor
@@agenttex5973 Because Chiaki and Monomi herself said that the traitor wasn't able to reveal themself so her coming clean was literally the plot armor.
@@bronzemanticore3809 I mean they were likely just Lieing, Considering nothing happens when they do reveal themselves, they only do reveal themselves when Its impossible for the trial to continue without it
@@agenttex5973 No, if that was a lie, why did they not reveal themselves earlier? For what reason? So that the whole chapter 5 could happen?
@@bronzemanticore3809 Because The others weren't supposed to know? Pretty sure that was obvious Chiaki and Monomi were there to watch over and guide there rehabilitation respectively, If they told them either theyd respond negatively and assume future foundation was brainwashing them
Edit: as an additive it's not they were programmed so that they COULDN'T Tell them they were told to just not tell them or at least avoid telling at all costs which would have been easy had it not been for Junko Overwriting and taking over the Program
Tsumugi could have also gotten rid of the evidence instead of confidentially thinking no one would have ever gotten into the secret room
Or just doesn't give kebo scifi military armory, but in the deep, she wanted this class trial
@@davidbacchim3624 yeah
Also the same as Kaede, they would've been safe if they didn't find the shot put ball. Except that Tsumugi would've been safe if she didn't plan to murder, then framing Kaede for killing Rantaro.
@@856Lavalamp yeah and if Shuichi was more observant he would have noticed the placement of the wound is not in the placement it would be if Kaede did hit Rantaro and the distance of the photo of the camera and Rantaro is not close enough for Rantaro to be hit anyway
I mean to be completely honest they literally found her secret room by pure accident so I can't blame her for that lol
Yes very awesome video! Thank you everyone for the ideas and theories!
Kokichi watching Kaito running back to his room to grab a second jacket and then stepping out pf the exisal: 💀
He was probably so done with kaito, wasted that good plan to safe everyone including him bro fr even died just for that
@@Aria_002 Well I mean they (Shuichi ft. Maki and Himiko) did stop the killing game after all. He probably was mad at Kaito but also happy 🤷🏾♀️
@@nveeously bro is definitely beating up kaito in heaven or hell idk
@@Aria_002tbf he only did that because shuichi gave away the plan to monokuma and then tried to backtrack. The jig was up either way, he was just making sure the others didn't die
@@Aria_002 nah they're playing Yu-Gi-Oh
Well for Celeste they would probably still tell she is Japanese, what should she say was "oh my parents moved to France or Germany when I was little and grew up there, later I went back to Japan to attend hope's peak
Kaito's case bugs me because as long as he didn't leave the exisal, then monokuma cannot confirm who's inside, so no matter what the group picks, he can't be sure. Kaito can always make a last minute claim that Kokichi was not moving so the posion might have killed him, making the question if it's maki or Kaito. Another thing is if Kaito just said Kokichi's plan from the start, then Shuichi would have no reason to try to solve it, making the case impossible with no other players able to. Or my favorite one which people played around with, fake both deaths and have them both in the exisal (blood can come from blood bags or as one person tried, just making a gash in oneself to put there, everyone is too emotional to really tell anyway) then even if someone dies inside the exisal, monokuma called a falty trial from the press murder
Miu attempted to kill and she could have done better if she aimed for Shuichi over Kokichi, both are smart but Kokichi has more street smarts and planning, and even if Kokichi was able to tell she killed Shuichi, no one would trust him
I believe that kokichi would get suspicious of miu and try to stop her from murdering shuichi at the very least idk abt someone else though cus remember kokichi is fucking smart just the explanation he got from miu abt the virtual word he already KNEW for a fact that she was planning a murder on him
I think in Kokichi & Kaito's case, Kokichi likely wouldn't have lasted long enough for the trial due to the poison-and at that point, it's kind of like, do you have his body sit in the exisal with Kaito so that no one finds it? (I think Kaito would've still wanted Maki to not actually be the blackened, so Kokichi would've had to die from something else like blood loss if going off of the idea of both faking their deaths). I think Kokichi could've written Kaito a tactful way to announce their plan, or at least part of it (to allow Shuichi to puzzle out the rest), but if it was figured out from the beginning I wonder how they would've handled the rest of the trial. Gameplay wise players would still want to know what happened, but then do you figure out a way to explain it in the trial without Monokuma learning anything or wait until the end to have them do an exposition? 💭 Either way it would've led to an interesting chapter 6.
for gonta, he could've survived by not accepting to kill miu for kokichi
Then again if he hadnt saved Kokichi then he wouldn’t have almost won the killing game with 2 extra people alive (k1-bo and kaito)
You mean if he wasn’t selfless cause he chose to sacrifice himself for everyone so they’d stay ignorant of the outside world
Or he could’ve killed kokichi and hid the toilet paper in his bug holder
U clearly didn't understand the video. It isn't how could they survive, it is how could they NOT be discovered
First of all, AI Gonta was shown the secrets of the outside world and thats what made him agree with Kokichi to kill someone and create an impossible trial for everyone to be executed, because well, Gonta thought it would be better for everyone to die instead of having to live outside the academy.
BUT, If Gonta DIDN'T cooperated with Kokichi then Miu would've kill Kokichi, thus her winning the trial, why? If Miu wasn't dead then the Red monokub (forgot his name) wouldn't have helped the students to find evidence (he only did that because his "momma"/Miu was dead) and he did reveal some pretty useful things, like if Miu would've touched Kokichi then he would become paralyzed, Miu changing her settings to object and I think it was that there was a weapon left, the Hammer Miu intended to use to kill Kokichi.
Since Miu wasn't at the Mansion side and she threw the bridge so there was no way of her being in the mansion,there wouldn't have been any reason to suspect her
Celeste also could've just claimed that when she said "..just like *they* did", she was talking about victims from *previous* trials. Boom, a reasonable-sounding backtrack.
Tsumugi could've "won" if she never mentioned going to the bathroom as everyone with her was dead at that point but we all know that she did that for plot reasons and essentially told everyone that she was the mastermind to continue the trial
I think she did that to mock rantaro last words
For Leon, he could have just showed his toolbox, since it would impossible to tell that a screwdriver’s been used only once just by looking at it
For Leon, he could’ve won the trial if he got the shower head directed towards Sayaka’s body with the shower knobs turned on. Water isn’t active at night, but it doesn’t affect the showers knobs functionality. Had Leon turned the knobs to a point where water is guaranteed to come out, it would automatically run when nighttime is over.
But it wouldn't make sense for a killer to wash away blood on a corpse unless he noticed the message which he didn't
@@neutralplayeroflol5722yeah, also he'd need to have knowledge of the trial, which he didn't know.
Also, Korekiyo could do 2 more things to not be suspected:
1) Check under Angie's body for the tape. He had a lot of time for setting up the occult atmosphere and locked room mystery but didn't even check the body. 💀
2) Change the floorboard in the middle. Ofc even with this change it's possible to figure him out (example: floorboard taken from middle room to left room, and Himiko would choose left room), but still.
3) yeah, actually don't tell about him murdering Tenko.
4) and I saw another take - IF HE DIDN'T KILL TENKO. His sis was right, this man is waaaay too greedy.
I have to disagree with Celeste's. She should have just flat murdered Hifumi. Including Taka's murder introduced more variables than she could control. All she had to do was make sure Taka and the Astrologer guy did not have solid alibis when Hifumi was killed. Killing Hifumi straight removes the second name thing, leaves Taka as a potential suspect and removes all the evidence Hifumi left around like the note, etc...She tried too hard.
celeste could have saved herself with her accidentally using a plural by saying she was referring to the past murders and not a current one. maybe it doesn’t work in japanese, though.
I made an argument, and this would have made the 1st game a lot better, is not kill Taka. You can use that as a lure sure, but when you get there just kill Hifumi. That takes out the second name thing, all the costume nonsense and you can do it in the middle of the night. This makes Taka a suspect and you can also fame Hiro still. I think the writers didn't know what to do with split personality thing and just killed him off quickly but ruined Celeste's ability because her lying is amateurish here. She kills Hifumi, she might have mild suspicion but not enough to convict, and it was mostly the name drop and the frame job that convicted her. Not killing Taka and killing Hifumi in the middle of the night ends all that and save a stretch in another piece of evidence she escapes
Kokichi’s murder is actually solvable considering Shuichi already solved it but then realized what was going too late. Seeing Shuichi try to backtrack to not reveal the truth is what caused Kaito to reveal himself.
Not really shuichi just used the fact that kokichi was lying and he was about being the mastermind it’s basically an educated guess kokichi would be the more likely victim than kaito . Since everyone hated him. It wasn’t actually proven it was kokichi. A educated guess since no one knew what happend
It always hurts me playing through 3-5 cause they really did come so close to ruining the game. If just one little thing had gone differently, Shuichi wouldn't have figured out what really happened, and they all might've survived. But by time he realised what Kokichi's plan really was, it was too late, and Kaito's just too good a guy to risk letting everyone die
honestly in celeste's case she could've very easily said that by 'they' she meant *everyone* who had died up until then
For Teruteru, if he didn’t scream that would have made him more suspicious. In the trial that’s actually the way that he clears himself from suspicion. When the lights go out people can still here him which leaves them with the impression that he’s still in the room. It’s Ibuki who clearly hears him due to her good hearing. What I think screwed him over was the skewer. If he put blood on the knife after the murder, that would have made it the most obvious murder weapon.
Most of them got caught for very small reasons. It just proves how one small mistake you didn’t realize but someone else did, can ruin your whole plan
I thank you very, very much for putting my theory in this video!! I know it's maybe not a big deal, but it's also the first time one of my comments are in one and I'm literally shaking of happiness!
Other stuff I should've wrote in my comment but that I forgot:
-Kirumi could've indeed left Ryoma in his lab for less suspicion and then blame Maki/ manipulate her but she wanted the big show so she got it 💀
-The pole she used to knock Ryoma out should have been used to try to drag the float back to her in the pool so that all of the blame came to Himiko, but as I said earlier, the plot had to happen
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Kirumi shouldve left ryoma in his lab after whacking him indeed 💀
Honestly, Nagito's trial shouldn't have ended like it did. Allow me to explain...
Remember Peko's trial, where she tried to pass off her actions as "just a tool" of Fuyuhiko? What was the logic that rendered that thought invalid again?
Yeah, she acted _on her own volition_ with _no_ manipulation from outside sources.
Considering Nagito's _entire plan_ involved _manipulating_ Chiaki to commit an act _counter_ to her own volition, she clearly was "just a tool" in that case, right?
Seriously, this has always bugged me since the first time I played that trial.
THAT'S WHAT I BEEN ARGUING ABOUT FOR MONTHS
but no matter what fans just refuse to see this as a problem!
This is basically the reason why I dislike nagito as a character.
Honestly I don't think it's a big problem. It's accidental murder which still counts as murder and danganronpa trails are never fair anyway just look at trial 1 of v3 and trial 5 from the first game. I think monokuma just wajted to get rid of chiaki since she's an AI made by the future foundation. Also peko is still human and wasn't considered a tool since fuyuhiko never ordered her to do anything she did it of her own free will.
Pretty sure the logic that rendered it meaningless was the fact she was physically the one that caused the killing blow. Honestly I don't think Monokuma was seriously considering executing everyone but Kuzuryu, I think he was just in it for the drama that trial
I think that this is like a rol game, if Monokuma thinks that is funnier to say that one person is a tool for the case or he is convinced of it then he let it happend
i’m pretty sure monokuma mentions or implies at some point before the execution that he wasn’t ever really planning on using pekos “tool” logic
In order to win her Class Trial Mikan should:
1) don't create an alibi for herself and Hajime. Instead she can directly blaming him or lying that they wake up together, and without Nagito's help Hajime is practically doomed;
2) refrain from stupid remarks like "such a great speed for a slowpoke like me ~". Seriously, it sounds incredibly suspicious! I wonder why people don't pay attention on phrases like this o.o
Despite the fact that Mikan's case was a worst murder in DANGANRONPA (many people will agree with me), she have some chances to escape an execution. Sorry if my english was not so good ^^'
I think you mean nobody but it’s fine as you said your English isn’t good
The mondo one 💀
"Should've keep your mouth shut"
"The fuck-"
I never thought of Kokichi actively trying to end the life of all his classmates. He wanted to end the game because it wasn’t fun anymore. I think that was one of the very few times he was genuine. I think he expected Kaido to do what he did in the end but knew that making a case this complex would draw out the true mastermind and end the series which is what he truly wanted. After all, kokichi is the ultimate supreme leader. He, even in his own twisted way, lead everyone to finally being able to stop Danganronpa, and it would be weird for him to truly want them all to die in the end. Honestly, I think people underrate how good of a title kokichi has that shows his role in the story. He IS a leader. He’s a manipulative one but he did LEAD the class to take down Danganronpa, he as a leader lead them to take down a kingdom even if he had to sacrifice himself
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First of all, he is NOT a leader. Never in the story did he show that he cares about anyone but himself. Second, you almost had me at the "wanted to end the killing game because it wasn't fun anymore", but then you started Kokichi apologia. You really think he would care if the class died as the result of his Ch 5 stunt? He wanted to stick it to Monokuma, not to save anyone.
@@quityourbullshit_truefacts103 absolutely showing you you did not even play the game holy lord. After the gang failed the race to salvation minigame: He was the one to have everyone go against Kaede so they wouldn’t put themselves at more risk, Kaede being the killer? He was the one who pushed them to vote for her, revealing Maki’s true nature? Him sure that might not sound like a leader thing but having the quality to detect detractors like her is a perfect example of a leader, Lead the plan to lead Gonta to his death, and was the one basically revealed the truth about the outside and made the plan to end Danganronpa. He is a great example of a maniacal leader and the fact you don’t see that shows you don’t understand his character or how Kodaka painstakingly writes characters even quirkiest moments to still be in character. Also, yes he most definitely did want to save them. You’re acting idiotic to believe that kokichi, a person who made a dictionary in a short amount of times for Kaido to say based off possible questions thrown at them for both Kaido’s and his own pov, wouldn’t think “oh what if Kaido reveals himself anyway?” Of course he fucking knew that would happen. He knew the lead up would fuck with the game enough that what Kaido did after didn’t matter to him.
Quit your bullshit, and look at the true facts, you’re incorrect.
@@streetgamer3452 I never said he can't lead, because he sure can manipulate people into doing what he wants but the point still stands that he doesn't care for anyone except himself. He
@@streetgamer3452 sees himself as the main character and the others as objects meant to assist him.
2:00 Mahiru died instantly. While she blocked the door, she couldn’t have escaped in the sand because nagito collected everybody’s footprints. Have drying off, if Peko washed all the blood off and then dries the water with a towel in the shower room because I KNOW that somewhere in that damn shower room is a towel, she wouldn’t have been accused.
Celeste could have just said she was referring to Leon, Sayaka, Junko, Mondo, and Chihiro when they asked
Also to be fair her revealing that she’s Japanese was before she knew they were in a death game
I actually really like the reasoning for DR 3 2nd class trail, my friends always said she could have just not worn her gloves, and I ALWAYS said them they would have just immediately thought of “Oh if the culprit didn’t use a brace then they have rope burn on their hands, so who’s the one person in this room wearing fingered gloves?” Plus even if she did refute that they can simply just say “if you’ve got nothing to hide then, take off your gloves and show us your hands.” I also really wish this series was more commended for the class trails, some of them are written so incredibly well that you just wish you could solve new ones every single day. I’d start jumping for joy if they announced a 4th game, yeah Rain Code is essentially DR 4, but I don’t think it will be to the EXACT same degree of how the investigation and trail goes. Plus I highly doubt the “Ultimate” detectives will be the culprits, you’ll probably work WITH them all instead of against them, which is a shame because if it was ultimate detectives vs ultimate detectives. That would be entertaining asf.
I've never thought of ultimate detectives vs ultimate detectives, but that would make such a good danganronpa game
Literally Shuichi's idea in his Danganronpa audition tape
1:08 I always thought makoto was just kinda rude to her. I didnt kniw the whole "thats not ur real name" thing came from the fact she said she was japanese. My brain aint brainin
4:56 u dont understand how heart-crushing this was when i played it i was literally screaming even though i knew
me too bro
Your heart is crushed? Crushed like kokichi?
I'm sorry I needed to make that joke so bad
@@KuromonArts STOP IT RN.
04:32 I'd actually argue that, had Gonta not lost his memories, it would've been entirely possible for him to have gotten away with it; putting aside the fact that there's any number of ways he could've interfered with the trial to prevent the group from coming to the correct conclusion had he remembered what he was actually supposed to be doing, it actually would've been pretty easy for either him or Kokichi to pounce upon the fact that Shuichi explicitly states that he left the Kitchen at one point when he lies about not seeing Kokichi in the Salon, which means *he* could easily be argued to be a suspect (if not an even greater one than Gonta considering it would've put him in closer proximity to the crime scene)
honestly I feel like the only reason that Kokichi doesn't do that in the actual game is because the hypocricy of Shuichi blatantly lying while everyone around him berates Kokichi for being a liar pissed him off so bad that he just outted Gonta right then and there instead of going with his original plan of letting everyone get executed for voting wrong
As much as I would like this to be true... with how the plan is designed everyone but Gonta has an alibi or is physically unable to have killed Miu.
Keebo, Maki and Himiko were all together when Miu body hit the chapel wall.
Same with Shuichi and Tsumugi.
Kaito was logged out and due to Kokichi's avatar settings preventing him from touching her both of them are physically unable to have killed her.
Unless the characters blatantly ignore these facts Gonta is the only suspect.
And Kokichi never planned on letting Gonta live... yes Kokichi got mad and revealed that Gonta is the killer because Shuichi lied.
But figuring out that Gonta is the killer doesn't require Kokichi to snitch on him.
In the end Kokichi's plan was to build up his villain persona for his greater plan of stopping the killing game.
Nothing suggests that Kokichi would side with Gonta for any reason.
That being said, let's suggest Gonta would've kept his memory... then what Gonta as rude as it sounds is not smart enough to defend himself. The only reason he was able to do so in the first place was because he genuinely believed to be innocent.
For Gonta to win either everyone alive would've to be willfully ignorant like Kaito was and just ignore both Shuichi's and Kokichi's reasoning... or Gonta would have to come up with a completely different plan that excludes Kokichi and leaves room for other suspects.
Trust me I don't want to say that Gonta's death was innevitable... but I can't see a reasonable way he could've survived with the plan he was a part of.
If you still think that I'm wrong, I would like for you to tell me exactly how you imagine this thing play out.
I would like to be proven wrong, I really do, I just don't see a way it's possible.
@@ProfessorNilo to be honest I'd forgotten about Shuichi & Tsumugi being right next to eachother when the body hit the chapel wall, and barring some convoluted method where that could've been delayed I can't say anything comes to mind for an argument that could be made against that fact
I do disagree that Gonta wouldn't be smart enough to come up with *something* though; Gonta is naive, but he's clearly smart enough to come up with stuff like how the culprit tied the ropes together over the pool in Chapter 2 (not to mention that, iirc, the idea to push the body off the roof using the lattice was actually his idea not Kokichi's) so I feel like if he truly wanted to he could've come up with at least something to make himself less suspicious, although granted I don't think it would've been successful at actually letting him get away with murder in the even if he did, but I could at least see him managing to steer the conversation away from topics that'd potentially incriminate him without anyone else noticing
@@Number1JettDawsonShrimp The point about him being smart enough to come up with a plan is fair... but I was moreso thinking that Gonta isn't smart enough to properly defend himself.
This is just an assumption, but I don't think Gonta would be a good liar.
Seeing as the developers clearly thought they had to give him memory loss to even make him a killer.
But like I said just speculation...
@@Number1JettDawsonShrimp Regarding the lattice, isn't that also something Kokichi came up with, after hearing about Gonta seeing Miu move through the wall? Unless I'm the one misremembering.
@@Max1996YT I definitely remember Kokichi saying Gonta came up with at least part of the plan, but I can't remember if it was the lattice or the toilet paper escape
Mikan: Just from that camera angle? (Not being specific at all)
Hajime: How would you have known about the angle of the camera!?
The one way Gonta could've survived was if he didn't team up with Kokichi and go to the rooftop which would cause Kokichi to be killed by Miu
*No, there’re talking about how they could have survive the trials and not get executed that means the crime would have be already committed already!* 🤣
Kirumi could have easily won too if she just handcuffed Ryoma's hands from the back. People only knew he was drowned in his lab because the sink was scratched by the handcuff's metal, otherwise people would assume he was killed in the Piranha Tank.
No, people knew he drown because the monokuma file said so
@@alfasvirtuosos1981 but they still wouldn't know it was in his lab. They would've thought he was drowned in the Piranha Tank. That erases Kirumi's evidence, since there would be nothing connecting his lab to the murder and therefore no one would've thought she'd cross the pool from there to reach the gym window.
Tsumugi's tho... you did her dirty... you did most of us here dirty-
The only things that Leon needed to do to get away with it is notice the dying message and wipe it off, and not try to incinerate his jacket, that was it, no other evidence pointed to him. If he had just smudged the dying message and taken his bloody clothes back to his room he would've easily won
mikan would’ve survived if she didn’t mention the fucking camera angle omfg😭💀
Is there something I missed when I played it? Why did her mentioning the camera angle convict her? Like of course there's going to be a fucking camera angle, how is that decisive evidence
@@professoraristotlemeans8860 It's because only Hajime watched the video
@@professoraristotlemeans8860 only hajime saw the video and it suggests that she knows what kind of camera angle it was
@@syyamaruu ohhh ok i see
To be honest they already had suspicions on her, literally the video that was supposed to be her alibi became her anti-alibi. So the way Mikan could've actually have won the trial is by NOT doing everything she did to have an alibi (The killing order, the video, h*nging Ibuki)
In regard to 11037... he actively tried to hide his involvement. He just wasn't good at it, as shown he realized he needed to use the lint roller to make it so there was no hair as his was a dead giveaway, but he obviously didn't register or see what Sayaka wrote behind her. Coupled with that, the glass ball and shirt with the incinerator showed he tried, but wasn't able to get rid of that evidence fully, which is something they mention in the closing argument - he had thought he did and by then it was too late since he couldn't get into the incinerator room without the key. All in all, he really just needed to be smarter given he clearly knew he had to hide his involvement
He probably wasn't thinking straight, but one simpler idea would be that he could've just kept his shirt in his room and get rid of it the next morning. As far as we know, no one investigated the others' rooms, and even if they did, he might've already gotten rid of it, and it would've eliminated the need to use the glass ball and risk of leaving evidence behind. The only other evidence that everyone could go off of was that the culprit is most likely a guy and I guess the "main" evidence would be his toolkit being used
One thing I've always thought for Mondo, couldn't he have just been like "what you think you're the only one who did some investigating?" and say he found out the color too
no because he was one of the two that was guarding the crime scene so that the killer couldn't destroy evidence
@@snwoy ohhh yeah i guess that makes sense, still don't think it'd be that farfetched
I did not expect to have a silent cameo in this, how nice.
Keep up the good work NPC.
For Kirumi, just leaving the body at the lab would have make the trial easier for others cause of the problem of " Oh but you cant kill and brought the corpse at the gym during nighttime " gonna be easily skipped. Kirumi didn't go to the " Insect " reunion so that left her again with no alibi.
However the idea of the hat is great but it doesnt change the fact of the ropeway.
Okay but if Kaede was so pressed about confessing to her crime, but being unable to because of the first blood perk, she absolutely could have confessed immediately after Monokuma took back the perk and called for a trial.
She also want to find out who is mastermind and tried to use the trial for that.
Regarding Mikan and the camera angle, that wouldn't have really impacted the outcome, as Nagito was on to her and would probably have laid out some other mistake she made to prove that she was the killer, even if she'd been more careful
Gonna be honest…I feel like some weren’t really paying attention to most of these trials my friend-
1: Leon DID try to clean up his mess, he couldn’t get into the trash room because he didn’t have the key to actually get in there
2: If TeruTeru didn’t scream he would’ve been the ONLY possible person who could’ve killed Byakuya by process of elimination. The big giveaway was the meat on the bone, the stove, etc.
3: Peko had to escape through the window because if she didn’t she would’ve left her footprints in the sand. She told everyone she was at the first island’s beach, so why would her footprints be on the second beach?
4: As you said, Gundham only truly lost because he never wanted to win. I feel even if Nekomaru had killed Gundham, he would’ve eventually came forward as well. They tried to kill so everyone else could live, because everyone else had essentially given up
5: Remember, Korekiyo wasn’t planning on killing Angie, he wanted to kill somebody else originally. Though after he killed Angie, I agree he should’ve just left it at that, crazy psycho…
6: As for Mikan and Mondo mentioning those specific things, everybody slips up at some point. Just a fact of life. Mikan was done for the second she started talking like she knew about the video
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Actually, Nicob a CZcamsr, pointed that out when he was ranting about how the blacken should have stop when they were ahead, when doing his Kokichi's voice.
Hajime was suspecting Teru teru way before the scream. Besides, alibi wise, it HAD to be either teru teru or nagito, and since the murder weapon could’ve been figured out by Mikan’s account on top of nagito never going to the storage room they could’ve deduced it was teru teru
Honestly Kirumi would’ve won if she drowned him and just left him there. The only reason she was suspicious was because the piranha trick needed to be prepared in the gym
Koreki-yo shin- gucci
3:53 not the guacamole on the ducking background 😭
mans got that family guy death pose in the background
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NAHHHH 😭😭
I believe Tsumugi should've taken the first blood perk so she wouldn't have to hide everything
3:30 hold, I'm now realizing something...
If Tsumugi did that chapter 1 murder *then why is everyone ALIVE???*
Because that trial was rigged. Shirogane and team Danganronpa wanted to get rid of Kaede (she was bringing the group together) and this felt like a golden chance to do so (even Kaede believed she was guilty) as no one noticed the wound and body position making no sense.
There's a fanfiction of what could have been if Tsumugi was executed as the first blackened. It's called 'Three point shoot' in AO3
Because she framed kaede by making it seem like it hit rantaro by luck but it never hit rantaro she killed him with the ball
I wouldn't say Leon was sloppy. He used the lint roller in Makoto's room to clean up the entire floor, as Kirigiri found not a single hair anywhere in the room. I would say had he stabbed Sayaka in the chest rather than the stomach, she wouldn't have been able to write out his name. And if he would have just hidden the bloody shirt rather than attempt to burn it, he could have gotten away with it.
Yeah it’s so funny to me Kirumi pulled a mission impossible heist when she just as easily could’ve left him there
0:10 even if he did left sayaka with her wrist broken, sayaka can easily manipulate the others just like what she did to makoto.
1:45 I don't get this moment. The shout was an attempt to make everyone think that Teruteru was with the group. And if he was completely silent, wouldn't that make him one of the prime suspects, since everyone would think that Teruteru wasn't with the group when the murder happened?
But they wouldnt have any evidence that he was lying. Because he lied hajime was able to find out and fully convict him. If he didnt yell he would be sus at best
The thumbnail was criminal 💀
People make fun of 11037 a lot but I think we forget often that the game was developed for a Japanese audience speaking Japanese and seeing as Leon was written in English and upsidedown the characters would have no reason to assume that Sayaka wrote the killers name expecially seeing as the Romanized version of the same which would have been used had Sayaka not known English would have likely been spelled more like Reon seeing as Japanese is wonky when it comes to Ls and Rs so the characters not figuring it out in seconds like 99.99% of the Romantic Language Speaking audience isn't weird at all.
If I was in Leon's shoes I would have hidden all the evidence in my bathroom including the katana and bloody clothing seeing as similarly nobody would have a reason to check my room without probable suspicion which they wouldn't have seeing as everyone suspended Makoto at the time
TLDR: I'm a nip picky dickhead that couldn't keep his mouth shut, also Leon was being extra with the whole glassball and furnace trick(like bro just stash the shit when nobody could access)
After you explain that...
Gundham is even more of a gigachad
The “camera angle” bit of mikan’s trial was a bit stupid. She didn’t say anything about the camera angle she just argued that depending on the camera angle hajime may not have been able to determine whether it was her or ibuki. But when hajime said nuh uh I guess she just gave up.
If Kokichi had just kepts his clothes on while being crushed, then that piece of evidence would never be found. Especially cutting the cord
That 5th trial for v3 is like someone giving you a great behind the back pass and all you do is score the open layup like kokichi making the unsolvable mystery and kaito manages to throw
Alternate solution for Kaede: Someone noticed that Rantaro's blood splatter didn't line up with where Kaede's ball would've landed (Miu's photo shows the book tunnel leads the ball too far to the left)
0:40 not tryna be a criticizing nerd or anything but even if Mondo hadn't mentioned the tracksuit he probably would've lost the trial
Byakuya mentioned how he saw Mondo exiting the crime scene after Mondo's execution
even if he mentioned it in the trial nobody would believe him except for Kyoko who would use that as an opening to bring up her suspicions about Mondo, she mentions about how she noticed Mondo calls males "dude" and girls "chick" and that he called Chihiro dude so she knew something was up
Makoto would also bring up the broken E-handbook as he watched Mondo and Taka during their Dude off and Monokuma also mentions how high temperatures break the handbooks so Big Mac would figure it out from there and would shoot some words
“How did you die?”
Leon: A bunch of balls flew into my face 💀
I know ppl who watch this clip, already knew the story. But i will put spoiler warning first:
The first blood perk basically the way mastermind just going to annul their mistake. But if Kaede use the perk herself there is some possibility that monokuma just going to execute her anyway, and also Kaede will be put in a lot of suspicious position on every trial thereafter
it is so wild that leon thought enough to pick up the hair on the carpet with a lint roller but didn't think about the fact his name was written behind sayaka.
Gonta didn't even KNOW he committed murder. He had no intention to win the class trial.
Makoto:"You should have kept your mouth shut"
Mondo: The fuc-
Gonta could have survived if he just didn't go with Kokichi. Like I get Gonta isn't very smart, but after the Insect Meet and Greet incident, Gonta shouldn't have trusted Kokichi, even in the virtual world.
*They’re talking about how they could survive the class trial not how they could have not murdered someone to escape!* 😂
@@KysYujiPls Yeah, I just realized that 😅 Thanks for pointing out my mistake though
About V3 Kaede trial. Kaede was so eager to figure out the mastermind but just left Tsumugi be the only one without the proper alibi somehow.
"okay gundham its you"
"What? No it wasnt?"
"But youre the only other one to go in the final dead room"
"I told you, i was in the lounge? What sounds more likely, i survived the final dead room, or just went to the bathroom? Why not nagito, who we know was in the final dead room?"
"But hajime said-"
"Okay, HAJIME, doesnt know what a fucking octagon is"
Kaede could have also pinned the blame on Shuichi since everyone did suspect him and the crux of her argument was the lie about the receiver.
Unfortunately Kaeda's compassion really was her downfall, she wouldn't be able to live with herself if she got everyone else killed, especially since she already did kill an innocent
She'd die with everyone else cuz she didnt kill Rantaro
@@Ivyrus66677 she didn’t know that she didn’t kill rantaro
@@nevermind2425 yeah ik that, but the person who posted the comment said kaede could have won the trial by framing shuichi but she would die with the rest of the class as well, she couldn't have won at all
No, Mondo was also doomed from the start kinda, he said something about chihiro’s gender and Kyoko caught on to that fact, so if Makoto didn’t say anything, Kyoko definitely was going to.
0:21 he knew that a trial would happen he was there when monokuma explained
How Gonta could’ve survive: just don’t listen to kokichi 💀
thank you, I have this in my recommandation and just with the thumbnail and the title All of my danganronpa v3 experience is destroyed.
What I don’t like about celestials trial is that she’s made that she’s calm, but when it came to her trial and gets very aggressive, and for a gambler I thought that was so dumb
You really spoiled every v3 culprit in the thumbnail huh
If Kirumi just left Ryoma after drowning him literally nobody would have figured it out
Now that’s not entirely true Leon did try to cover up his tracks he used the lint roller, cleaned himself up, and threw away his blood stained clothes as although yes he wasn’t aware of the trial he was aware that the rule said he had to get away with it but due to him not knowing about the 11037 and unable to get the shattered crystal ball and burnt clothes or he just didn’t think to get it once he was able to otherwise he would have noticed the burned shirt he was doomed
Leon definitely did try to cover up evidence (he threw the jacket in the incinerator, cleaned up all the hair in the room), he just did a bad job with it
Bro, this thumbnail was wild it appeared on my recommended and spoiled the murderers of v3 for me😭
Makoto: “you should’ve kept your mouth shut.” Mondo: “The fu-“
Gundham also would of succeeded if a he wanted to and b if it wasn’t for kuzryu staying up in the middle of the hallway because he wasn’t tired so he basically would of gotten away with it if it wasn’t for luck