Colt Tries To Make a Service Pistol: The Model 1971
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- In the early 1970s, Colt wanted to develop a new military pistol so that it could offer a modern replacement for the venerable 1911. Colt Engineer Robert Roy designed the new gun in 1971, and was granted patents on it in 1972. It was made entirely of stainless steel, had a 15 round capacity (in 9mm; 12 rounds of .45 ACP in that version), and a DA/SA trigger along with a manual safety mounted on the slide. In fact, the gun shares many elements with Charles Petter’s pistols, the French 1935A and the SIG 44/16 family (which became the SIG P210). It has full length frame rails, and a modular removable fire control mechanism, along with a barrel ramp to lock and unlock in place of Browning’s swinging link.
The Colt 1971 prototypes became the Colt SSP (Stainless Steel Pistol), and were entered in the US military XM9 trials in the 1980s, where it ultimately lost to the Beretta 92. The SSP (and the 1971, for that matter) was never offered on the commercial market, although it certainly would have had potential there in the 1970s.
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Colt's problem is that they always stop making the guns people wanted.
Hi there. I'm from 2020, they're starting to make Pythons again.
Pauline Weinberger yes and let’s hope they get fixed it’s just right now they are a wall hanger
@Pauline Weinberger yeah, they've fixed some of the problems but still not all
Cz is apparently going to buy colt now, hopefully things will get better.
@@grizzlyadams5410 why?
“This gun is extremely rare is there’s very little chance you’ll ever get to see one in person, luckily we are auctioning off the only know unit known to exist and you have a chance to own it” - most videos end on this note, love it lol
It looks like a beautifully-crafted Khyber Pass copy of a 1911.
It's Kymber not Kyber and yes it does I own 4 Kymber pistols and I think they are the greatest example of the 1911a1 ever made
@@russell6341 The Khyber Pass is an area in Pakistan known for making unlicensed copies of firearms with varying degrees of quality from as good as the real thing to God awful.
@@russell6341 Wow, you were so confidently wrong lmao
@@russell6341Kimber*
Finally, some one actually knows and talks about the Pakistani gun market jn Peshawar. 😁
2018 and Colt still only makes 1911s. It's amazing how many times they tried to release a modern pistol but failed.
You know someone’s good with guns when they check if it’s unloaded after mentioning there’s no magazine for the pistol
Yep, rule #1 is rule #1 for a reason.
Although one might safely assume that as part of filming this show he probably practice disassembled it a few times before starting the camera.
I was cleaning a shotgun in my living room and a phone call came for me- you remember hard wired phones, right? So I put down the half assembled gun and went to answer the phone. When I came back, all looked as it should and I began finishing the reassembly, but didn't check the chamber. A side note; my wife had been on me to teach her how to shoot, and I had really ragged on her about 'sloppy procedure" re making sure a gun was unloaded or not before handling it. She decided to play a joke on me- the phone call was a put up job to get her mom to call her back- while I answered the phone she loaded a live 12ga shell into the gun; it went off as I was reassembling the gun. Only a hole in my living room ceiling and damage to a few shingles and a little temporary deafness. I felt pretty stupid for being careless about neglecting RULE#1- RULE#2 likely saved my life-Never ever look down the barrel of a gun you cannot positively say is unloaded- and 5 seconds later it may be! No more shooting lessons- she thought it was a joke and never realized how close to catastrophe that came. RULE#1 is RULE#1 for a reason- some military firearms instructor did everything but tattoo that on the foreheads of my training platoon! I am everlastingly glad he did- and for RULE#2 for sure!
@@fredericrike5974 your wife is a psycho..what grown adult would throw in ammunition in someones gun while he's cleaning it without looking? yikes! thats all I can say about you and your old lady..
@@RotaryPoweredRX Ex old lady! Thank God! Twice!
It's like a 1935A and a Smith 59 had a baby that was left to the neglectful foster care of the Colt company
Externally, It looks like Colt moved it's manufacturing to the Khyber pass.
LOL!
They should have released this commercially, it's a nice looking gun. Trust Colt to screw it up
If Colt revived this, I'd buy one in a heartbeat
I second that motion!!! 🤠👍
People have been trying to 'improve' on Brownings 45 since the 1911A1.
Have not done it yet.
There’s so much similarity between this and the CZ-75 going on. I’m impressed. I want the French and Swiss pistols and this now
Colt would happily sell you a CZ-75 now…
24 711? Whoever serialized this gun really did think it would be... Convenient.
I love that fire control group
The serial number is just a low key advert for your local 24 hour service 7/11.
I honestly thought the last part of the report would say "none of the above" and was what Colt went with. Kind of true based on what we are seeing today.
So, functionally a double-stack Para LDA but 30 years earlier. Cool! I’ve never heard of this pistol, very interesting.
Read me another bedtime story, Gun Jesus?
Don't forget to drink your cosmoline before bed Timmy.
The Rogue Wolf seriously,I love watching his videos before going to sleep
Not because they’re boring or something,but rather because I find Ian’s voice very calming and because you don’t have to follow the actual video much,mostly just listen
Lol
Same here!!! I got a daddys boy toddler who literally lays on top of my chest instesd of sprawling out on my Calif king bed?!?!?! So i turn on CZcams and click on any forgotten weapons video and set phone next to me upside down. Most guns ive handled so i dont have ti see it but the actual facts and story of the guns are so cool!
A true Forgotten Weapon--fascinating! Now, I'd like to hear Chris Bartocci's take on this, since he is a former Colt's employee and possibly even more familiar with the company's internal working.
I imagine his take would be "please don't ask me about this, it's too painful".
Good point, but Chris would probably say it’s a bit more forcefully.
@@petesheppard1709 *chris voice* "Sometimes Colt did things wrong. And this... THis was not their strongest showing."
Yep! That’s his normal tone.
That salvo ammunition would be insane in an SMG!
It's like Borderlands' multi-projectile bullets.
it would be highly inaccurate
Matt Dickson for CQB that would be sick. The rounds would be much more accurate than a shotgun without overpenetration from the 3 smaller rounds and with that high rate of fire from an SMG it would be an extremely effective tool for close quarter battles. If all 3 projectiles could make contact at 100 yards on a man-sized target, it would be absolutely devastating.
Matt Dickson yes, because you need pinpoint accuracy in a hallway.
Wouldn't the "squeezing" of the conical part of the barel completely negate the effect of the rifling...
I just watched a finish ad God knows what... All I know is he took his pants off in the snow.
I thought your rule of thumb was "I see nothing!"
Lmao I got that ad too
Varustelka, if I spelled that right. Ian and Karl visited them a while back to test Finnish guns.
+russetwolf13 Ah, i see.
+Commodorefan64 I don't what you're talking about... i said nothing.
Leave it to Colt to ruin their own good ideas... and those were already scarce to begin with.
TheGoldenCaulk you mean badly copy swiss ideas
Alistair Shaw I suppose copying the Swiss is the good idea that was ruined.
Shawn Hamby very true
I'm not understand why Colt not continue developing this idea, and make the american 2000 and the double eagle
Norberto Lagrava there is a prototype all american 2000 in this auction
Too bad these never went to market. An excellent option to the 1911.
Probably good for those who did end up carrying an M9 service pistol?
I was one of the unfortunates who enlisted when the military transitioned from the 45 to the Beretta. The Beretta 9 mm pistol is a good weapon, but I'm one of those that is proficient with 45 ACP even with the smaller magazine capacity, and I still find it to be more effective for combat situations than the 9 mm Parabellum cartridge.
For military applications only way to get the same level of kinetic energy delivery as in the 45 from a 9 mm is by employing hollowpoint ammunition or hyped-up Plus-P loads, and that's not going to happen with service-wide ammunition supply due to international laws of warfare, which restrict military pistol cartridges to ball ammunition. Other than that I can engage a target in multiple conditions just as accurately and quickly as with a Beretta, and sometimes even better.
The most notable anecdote about the improvement seen when the 1911 pistol was adopted was the inability to neutralize enemy combatants in the Phillipines with the then-current 38 caliber service revolvers. Added to that was the use of a semi-automatic operating system which could be quickly reloaded with magazines.
So no, I don't think going to the Beretta M9 was fortunate. I've carried it and used it in combat and at least 75-percent of the time I had to expend additional shots to ensure that the target was out of commission and no longer posed a threat. I had to reload the weapon more often than the 45 and this made the neutralization ratio less efficient, not more.
I am now retired and my sidearm of choice is a Ruger P90K chambered in 45 ACP. Magazine capacity is eight rounds plus one in the pipe. Built like a tank, reliable, accurate, fast. comfortable, with ambidextrous controls for my left-handedness, single/double action, with a hammer de-cocking and firing pin blocking safety, easy to disassemble and maintain, and I know that whatever I hit will absolutely feel the pain. 'Nuff said. Oorrah!
To me, it looks as if you took a PPK and a 1911 and merged them together. And I like it. Too bad it never really was sold to the public. I would buy it.
The Project Salvo cartridge is amusing as there was a very similar type of projectile that was tested and possibly used during the U.S. Civil War in an attempt to give users of rifle-muskets (and rifled muskets, there is a difference) a similar capability to the old 'buck and ball' load for the smoothbores. I think it's one of the more interesting odd-ball bullet designs, right up there with the 'musket shell' an attempt at an exploding bullet for rifle-muskets.
Never said it worked, merely that it was tested, and possibly used on a limited basis. I'm working from memory as my really cool and informative book on some of the more unusual Civil War cartridges has been missing since I moved rooms several years ago, the hazards of relocation of your stuff, even within the same house.
USS Enterprise...I recognize that, reference "Civil War Guns"; Williams, W.B., 1962. Killed my first deer with a .50 Hawken and two patched balls. Figure eight entry and exit at 25 yards, chest cavity of mush. DRT.
I like the short clip before the opening. It's like an appetizer. Makes you want more.
Wow! Thats an awesome colt idea. I really enjoy ur channel, becuase of u, i get to see firearms that i would never have the chance to see on my own, and i love how u break them down so i can see how they work. Keep up the good work. 👍👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
"It's missing the magazine and a spring, but otherwise it's kinda ok."
i heard about this pistol a while back and was interested in it from a historical perspective. Ive been waiting for this video for about 3 years now... Well done.
I never knew this firearm existed, honestly.
The channel is called forgotten weapons. Its all the old, and or weird firearms that people just don't really know about
I always liked that safety system, physically blocking the firepin. I've also seen this with the ambidextrous Walther P88.
Lots of salt from the 1911 crowd here. I love a good 1911, but I also recognize that each of its features have been improved upon by other firearms manufacturers. For a service sized, single stack .45ACP, the Sig 220 is still top dog in my book.
I really like the look of That Colt pistol , Never seen That one before.
Excellent review. Never heard of this pistol.
Fantastic video as always Ian. :) Love your explanation of all weapons. Thank you. ^^
Worth mentioning, it is difficult to believe that the CZ75 was designed completely independent of this gun given how similar the two ended up. In fact, in some ways the Model 1971 looks more like the finished CZ75 than some of the earlier CZ75 prototypes do. Makes one wonder if the ComBloc took one last go at peeking toward what the US was doing for ideas in pistol design.
Fascinating.
Another great "weapon system type" video from FW, love it!
2022 and the 1911 still rules.
Man what a cool thing! I truly appreciate your work!
Love it when Mr.Ian reads to me.
Reminds me of a p 35 from poland made in stainless .. An excellent gun i might adx
This is actually a lot nicer than pretty much all of Colt's attempts at getting their act together in the decades since. It's a pity this never hit the market (and things like the Double Eagle and the All American 2000 did)
Why dont you have your own TV show! I just discovered this channel, and its like a goldmine. Going to be binge watching this for weeks. amazing content, brilliant! Thank you!
Leigh S Ian was approached by History or Discovery before, but they were pretty sleazy I think; tried to steal the name. Hard to find of market for a show without DRAMA AND YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS type of crap.
That is so disappointing. Ian's knowledge is just unbelievable, such a pity they cant release a factual, historical show without adding drama and sensationalism. In that case I am happy he has kept his video series true to form on youtube.
Colt has been mismanaged for decades. 🤯
from what I've read, this gun's defeat more had to do with political movement than anything Colt did itself (discounting indirect screw-ups beyond the scope of this gun's R&D)
Beautiful pistol
Looking forward to the final prices video from this auction. There has been some very cool stuff the last month!
God damn is that a pretty gun. I just love the way it looks lol
Die 2 optisch Ansprechende Magazin Pistolen (Semi-Automatik)aller Zeiten sind die US. Goverment 1911 von Colt, und die deutsche Luger 08 Pistole.
My Walther CP-88 air pistol uses the same style of safety. Simple but incredibly effective.
They had this and then brought the double eagle to market? They have been a poorly run company for decades and continue with that tradition today
that's crazy how the frame wraps around the the slide I guess it wasn't unique to only CZ pistol's .
@Jack Benton woah brother glocks aren't that shitty
@Jack Benton Back up. I have a 1918 production Colt's 1911 that functions perfectly. It's also a tack driver. It's just as good a plinker as my Springfield Trophy Match that retailed for about a grand. I haven't had a FTF in ages in either of them. The 1911 was never imagined by JMB to be anything but a service pistol. Maybe you are buying bad ammo, although mine don't seem to care...
@@painmagnet1 who cares what he imagined. Make more thats the only gun people want from colt. Everything else they make ends up being tacky crap made from expensive materials.
As always- very informative video :)
This really made me want to research about this salvo thing !! 👍
COLT... VERY GOOD
If memory serves, in the pistol trials in the 1980's, the main 'failiure' or 'malfunction' occuring in this pistol was that the front sights kept falling off! Doesn't suggest good q.c....
that is an awesome pistol
A double action 1911 would've been great. That sidearm doesn't need a safety, it's double action. Awesome sidearm!
Some of the design and construction reminds me of the AMT Automag, particularly the safety and stainless steel construction
ian- I've just run back through your last three years content listings- damn, dude you got a bunch of content- and you haven't reviewed any Ruger products- they have made a number of really awesome guns- the reworked a Ruger Red Hawk revolver, and for a while itwas the most powerful handgun on earth using the .30 cal carbine round. Hand Cannon, indeed! They have a couple of great series-I'm partial to the P series automatics- and I used to be a Made in Germany snob for Walthers! Wow, what a content list! I knew I hadn't seen all your stuff- but.... Thanks for doing what you do
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"Burst of Three" capability using just one cartridge and no selector..
The AT&F people will froth in the mouth!
This safety Is good for lefty like you and I. :)
Very similar to the old Smith 4506, Good gun.
The multi projectile concept reminds me of the civil war era buck and ball musket loadings
Wow someone really shot the heck out of that gun
I'm fairly certain that the early Mack Bolan story entitled Paradine's Gauntlet featured that ammo fired from an Uzi. The Gold Eagle series of action titles in the 80's were filled with these "cutting edge" weapons and ammo because they sounded neat. In the novels, they all performed magnificently, even if reality was quite different.
Damn you Colt I want one
Looks like the Colt Double Eagle.
So if you had the double 1911 with salvo ammunition with one in each hand you'd basically be a machinegun!
No u
Ian needs to do this NOW! FULLY SEMI-AUTOMATIC GUN JESUS!
The disassembly lever on the Colt Model 71 , comes from the Luger P08 and Walther P38 pistol.
Honestly I think Colt should bring back and modernize this design, I think they could be successful with it, bringing the 1911 series into a new age
The Hi-Power already made that, and if you want something even more modern, the CZ 75 SP-01 SHADOW is for you
The salvo taper bore idea is interesting, however, when I pitched a similar idea to a retired infantry colonel, He said plainly “We don’t want projectiles going where they aren’t intended.” Falling short, or spreading too much can cause unintended friendly fire casualties. It worked fine for the Germans double loading 7.92 MG rounds because they were spraying hordes of attacking Soviets. US tactics are slightly different.
Legionitalia Yeah now we use missles to take out city blocks.
Shawn R - which missile?
Tamlan Dipper tomahawks
I mean the US also uses inert warheads to minimize damage as well...
Legionitalia the salvo shot was used for a very short time in the US civil war.
Ian checking a prototype gun with no mag to see that it’s unloaded is somehow very satisfying to me. Praise Gun Jesus for his emphasis on safety!
This reminds me alot of the Ruger P94 pistol. Nearly identical in breakdown and appearance.
For that price I would expect at least two magazines to be included
The safety is just like ruger p89
Very cool
It looks a whole lot like the S&W 5906 that I carried for years on patrol.
Looks similar in a lot of ways to the CZ 75 as well. Interesting
12.000 bucks, thats just crazy.
Man it's basically a S&W M4006. Had colt not shit the bed again that probably wouldn't of happened. I can only think of 3 things Colt ever did right. Their revolvers, getting the rights to the M1911, and the AR-15. Was all downhill from there once their patents ran out.
Slide/frame reminds me of a CZ-75...but this was before that pistol.
IT looks good
A "wonder 9" with design elements of its era, but in a 1911 shaped package. Honestly, other than the removable trigger pack, I don't see much in it that makes it better than a Beretta.
You're better than tv
Looks like a good pistol design. I am sure if it was not in Colt's house, it might have had a chance.
Colt had a good thing going with the 9mm Commander the Army requested in 1949. Wouldn’t have been difficult to make it a double stack and put on modern three dot sights.
the loss of the SSP to the Berreta more had to do with behind the scenes politics from what I've read (long story short, nobody wanted a repeat of the M16C so the powers that be put much more favor on Foreign imports than domestics)
The P64 does its safety/decocker in a similar fashion, where it just cams up a block connected to the safety level that covers the firing pin
That safety looks just like the Smith&Wesson 669. Except for the removable fire control, it looks a LOT like a 669, which is also single/double action, except the 669 has a pin restraining the barrel/slide, like a 1911. The barrel is practically identical even to the flare at the muzzle for "locking".
A Hi power that pinched stuff from Sig, and should have been followed up on.
Very cool collectors item.
That makes no sense. The Hi-Power predates the SIG.
It reminds me of a Star 28M & 30M.
Very cool IMO
That reminds me a lot of the S&W 4506
A unitized fire control group dates back at least to the Soviet TT pistol of 1933.
That pistol looks an awful lot like a Smith 5900 series gun - down to the way the safety operates. Not the internals though. The Smith had a successful life in police departments all over the country.
I had the same thoughts except for the 59 series safety also had a decocking lever and of course you had to line up and remove the take down pin. My agency used this all the way up to 2015 when it was replaced by the M&P line. Good gun for the most part. Although I do remember the fun of a new group training with it and inevitably someone would launch the recoil spring when trying to reassemble it, lol
Colt could have come out with a police duty version to capitalize on the law enforcement change over from revolver to automatic like Smith and Wesson and Ruger did.
Yes but they could have taken it off the shelf and made it available as soon as they realized the 80's trend happening. Instead they came out with the failed, and too little too late, Double Eagle and All American 2000
It looks beautiful.
Its no 1911 but its a good looking gun
That is some world class bureaucrat speak at the beginning there... ;)
The all stainless feature was pretty advanced for the time. I didn't buy my AMT Hardballer until 1976. Too bad Colt never got it into production.
The salvo idea is interesting. Sequential projectiles like that have been studied in hyper velocity (>2 km/s) regimes and have been found to penetrate better than solid rods, but I'm not sure that performance translates to lower velocity regimes. Ian, if you ever get the opportunity and want to do something a little different, try and get a tour of a light gas gun!
If it was on the consumer market, I might have bought one.
Looks like a surprisingly nice gun! About the only thing I'd change is the safety, make it hit the disconnector and call it good. Maybe two positions, one up without the disconnector for use as a decocker.
Ian-As always, very informative! I know the subject of the piece was the Model 1971 Colt automatic pistol- but you mentioned the military trials that dumped the Colt and made what would become the Baretta 1992 M9 automatic pistol the military side arm. Sad to say but there was even more sadness to be had- the rules were not followed by Baretta- their submitted 100 guns were hand assembled at Interarms plant in Virginia, they were a prototype batch, not made of interchangeable parts- but they won. Bill Ruger won the trial on the first look, but was eliminated because his gun didn't look "lethal enough". Go look into that- there were articles in the shooting press, one I think by Micheal Ayoob. Baretta's win was a sham- all competitors were to have full factories in the CONUS- Baretta didnot, and were many months late on first deliveries. Hence the custom work done at Interarms facility in VA.