My Biggest Problem with Hazbin Hotel
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- čas přidán 20. 01. 2024
- Despite Hazbin Hotel currently being one of my most enjoyed on going animated series, it's got one problem that makes it struggle for me to have it as an ALL time favorite.
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I miss the days where a season was considered 24 episodes instead of 8 episodes long.
Or a least 15-20 episodes
Hell, even 13 at the very least
hard to fund, even with A24
No that's how many episodes legend of Korra has per season and it needed WAY more. 1-16 is giving mini series honestly@@nicholasreyes5893
A season with 8 episodes is fine but not with episodes of 23 minutes, at least make them 1 hour or something.
I feel like it would have been cool if Adam and the other angels didn’t swear or maybe acted puritan while being skeptical about demons and sinners could redeem and earn their way to heaven.
I Think the point is that the angels aren't any different from the demons so they don't exactly have the right to judge and kill them sine they believe they have the "moral high ground". I think that's what viv is going for honestly.
I thought Adam and Eve ate the apple
Well we’ve only seen 2 angels Adam and Lute. Lute hasn’t sworn yet at least and we know we’re getting other angels based on the intro and trailers.
Kinda like that one comic where an Angel comes down to support Charlie's hotel ordeal? Yeah, that would be cool.
@@GreenibearYeah, that kinda bugged me since Adam said he never made a mistake. I was like, “Dude, you literally ate the forbidden fruit with your wife.”
The pacing is honestly the only real issue I’ve had with the season soo far. Like I think the story is really entertaining but it could benefit by slowing down a bit. Maybe they’ll do it for the second season but I am still invested.
I didn’t think they would. Helluva Boss has the same issue.
To be honest it isn't as fast as helluva boss. Helluva boss moves from one was moment one second to back to normal. Hazbin hotels seems abit more slower than Helluva boss. But yess you will have to watch it twice to see the background stuff for each episode
Thank you!
I 100% agree, the songs and story are great!
To me, the pacing is really slow
I get that Adam is supposed to be a douchebag, but I feel like him swearing like every other character kinda kills the vibe of him being an angel.
I like how Shin Megami Tensei did angels, where they're either robots or condescending towards those who they deem sinners.
At least Angel Dust actually gets development. I didn't watch the Addict music video, so Valentino being abusive towards him was a shocker.
I think it's just because he's not an actual angel and instead a Human
I agree, I haven't even been able to pick up the episodes yet but I saw the Adam clip and it honestly kind of turned me off on wanting to investigate more. I'll probably look into it later.
@@Zaido4211 Fair point. Just wanted some variety.
Alastor is up there with what I want in terms of dialogue.
I felt the swearing fit perfectly with the hypocritical aspect of religion.
Yeah right? Its a really vad symptom of the ”character drotten by Vivziepop”. Like if she wanted to show that Adam was a bad person there’s other ways to do it. I feel like they made him so obviously bad and it really gives away any tension it could’ve built up
I think the main problem with Hazbin, at least the first season, is that is suffers from "We have to get shit done" syndrome. Basically, they were given a slot that didn't correlate with the amount of plot that needed to expose so they made it all exposition so they could fit it into that slot. This could be because they were only given 8 episodes for the first season, or because they were afraid of being discontinued too quickly by Prime, as the Second Season was announced Mid-Season 1's production.
Hopefully, because they have a second season greenlit, these problems fade away. And hopefully, we get a longer season that fleshes everything out as opposed to season 1.
In short, they tried to squeeze a 26 episode season into 8 episodes. Anyone else remember 26 episode seasons? Bah, I feel old.
@@Starcat5Adventure time
Hazbin's becoming the next Helluva Boss but with a Season 2-style Season 1, that's what you mean.
@bellaChai sadly big companies don't wanna "waste their money" on shows that aren't profitable enough, so artists have to work on a small budget with slashed time and somehow get results good enough to wrangle a second season which isn't even guaranteed to have more security.
I doubt this is the only problem just doing production with a bigger company. The stuff you say about the pacing is also relevant to Helluva Boss
You know what it feels like? It doesn't feel like a new cartoon. It feels like this is a show that's been on the air and been made since its pilot released years ago. It feels like the show assumes that we already know enough about these characters that they can already start resolving character arcs like Vaggie wondering about who she is without Charlie, or Husk sipposedly pointing out everyone's flaws as if we should already know these characters very well or any of Angel Dust's drama.
But the fact is, we haven't. The truth is we barely know anything about anyone but the show acts like we should know about them, and we don't.
Exactly
For all we know Pentious could've been a child murdering psychopath
And yet for some reason were supposed to believe he actually became a good person?
Also how the pilot is the actual episode 1 of the show since the start of s1 continues directly from where it left, its pretty confusing for those who arent in touch
yeah I've gone completely blind into to the show, watched some episodes because my roomate loves it and my boyfriend like helluva boss so i was like ok how bad can it be, well to summarize the experience we watched 6eps in one sitting and i was constantly asking basic questions about characters,t he universe, the lore and my boyfriend was like welp you had to watch the pilot, and i did watch the pilot when it came out but jesus why didn't they spruce it up or remake it and officially put in the show, i have so many other problems w hazbin but the fact that the show assumes everyone watching already knows what is happening is extremely harmful i feel like to new watchers and vivzie def loosing out on more people getting in on the show
@@nosescrunch513 extremely true
It doesn't help that most of the stuff known about the characters or the world is spread throughout hours of live streams and interviews, so you'd need to watch helluva boss and that other stuff just to piece it all together
People say it's written almost like it's a fanfiction for a reason 💀 Lolz
It feels as if we've been dropped into season 2 rather than 1. The show should be about the Hotel trying to rehabilitate people into Heaven yet it's showing more focus on the Overlords and everything is clashing.
The show, or season 1, should have Charlie making a deal with Adam to have 6 months to get *insert number of demons here* into Heaven. Then drop in the last episode that an angel had been killed by one of the main cast.
Plus, I don't like the way Adam is portrayed. Instead of having him being a chainsmoker in tone with a foul mouth, he should have been sickly sweet. A villain clearly but with good manners.
Yeah for the first season I wanna actually see more demons in the hotel trying to change, and the hotel slowly filling up throughout the first season, the first episode of the first season can still have Adam saying the extermination has been moved forward, and the first season can end with a few demons making a solid change in themselves, but the second season should be about the hell overlords and trying to battle heaven and the conflict of whether it’s worth getting sinners into heaven or not
Except Charlie getting even one sinner into Heaven would be a massive deal, if both the sinners and angels realise what that implies it would make the hotel explode in popularity and the angels would need to justify stopping them.
Dropped into season 2 rather than 1. Kinda sounds like Sonic X when you know the history.
Well, you know what they say, "But That WoUld get BORING!"
@@frankkennedy6388because everyone including Adam says it’s not going to work. Literally the only 2 who believe in it are Charlie and Vaggy Alistor actively denounces it and Angel Dust is continuing to both fight in turf wars and be a pornstar despite the fact he’s supposedly staying at the hotel. It would most likely just sound like a massive scam to most
4:57 I also love how in the Italian dub their voice actors are brothers. That was genius casting imo. The voices also fit Alastor and Vox really well
Why is this funny to me??😂😂😂
So in that context, Stayed Gone is just two siblings having a fight and trying to one up the other.
"Cut! That was an absolute performance guys"
"We weren't performing."
Took Cain instinct to a whole new level lol
They sound like Mario and Luigi gibberish.
I'm definitely still definitely excited for Hazbin, but FINALLY, someone said exactly how I felt about Episode 3. It felt like Vaggie and Carmilla had arcs before and we're just supposed to infer, it drives me insane, no matter how good the songs are
bruh the whole carmila and vaggie plot points where good the freak you mean bruh it literally serves as a purpose to introduce the other overlords and how they interacted with each other and how they respected each other but velvet the new gen overlords is trying to start a war they cannons win just because a exorcist and not a archangel was killed and carmila the person that killed the exorcist had to kill it to protect her daughters which is actually nice to prove that some demons actually have compassion in them like bruh and vaggie and carmila duet is perfect because it showcasing that both of them would do anything to protect the ones they love like all you so called critics are stupid and don’t understand the show all you guys wanna do is hate hate hate that a indie project has reached this huge heights
@@de_vix First off, I literally said I'm still enjoying the show.
Second, you think because I have one gripe it means I hate the whole thing? I loved the entirety of Episode 4 and I'm hoping for better.
Third, I get the reason Carmilla does it, it's a valid reason, but I JUST MET HER!! How am I supposed to feel an emotional attachment to someone I JUST MET?! Vaggie, she's also a great character, but she has had the least focus of the main group and this "arc" of being Charlie's Armor, while sweet and fits, it's WAY too soon for Episode 3 of a First Season
I am not hating on the entire show, I am not hating on the crew, I am not hating on anyone, I just don't like the execution of Episode 3, as it sums up literally all the pacing issues
I wouldn't call Carmilla's moments an "arc", it just established her character as a powerful mother who is afraid she isn't strong enough to protect her family. I don't believe the point of her scene after the meeting is to give her an arc, just to establish that even an overlord can have a softer side to them, and therefore there is space for redemption.
@@grandbean9031 I get that, but to do it the same episode she's introduced when the Angel plotline was set up as a mystery, only to have a character JUST introduced to be revealed to do it, it's just...mediocre. Like Markis said, if we had just one episode with Carmilla and the overlords before this, maybe the impact would have been more substantial
@@DeltaGreen03 well you can’t blame them they only have 8 episodes to work with because prime didn’t know the show would be this successful but now they are seeing the numbers season 2 will probably have more episodes and more depth to it so let just enjoy the episodes and not be over analyzing everything
Problem is introduced.
Problem is resolved 5 minutes later (Maybe even off-screen!)
Rinse and repeat.
different for everyone but a lot k-drama watchers prefer this than it being dragged on for 5 years. It's like miscommunication happening with both sides refusing to talk it out. it's annoying.
@@Iheartmefr But doesn't that just reduce the tension of the problem? If it's so easy to fix why focus on it at all?
@@bakedturkeys2132 reveals development. ez answer. characters don't just switch personalities out of nowhere and start doing things they didn't before then the question would be "why did that happen? when did that happen".
@@Iheartmefr What do you mean "reveals development"? Their overall personalities never changed at all. Lucifer is still an evil goofball overlord, Charlie is still a quirky girl who sees the best in everything or "Tangled's Rapunzel", Vaggie is still an ngry overprotective guardian angel latina, Angel Dust is still a man whore, Alastor is still a devious schemer. Their relations between characters may have shifted for the better or worse, but solving those problems are usually used to advance the plot to solve the arch's main issue e.g. the angels. But they weren't. Lucifer could've beaten Adam at any time even without making up with Charlie. They already had the angel weapons in mass since the beginning making the show presmise, the Hotel, pointless.
The question I am asking is development towards what? It's as developed as a 1 minute cup of Ramen when they could've fleshed these issues out into a 5 star Lobster of show. With their problems solved so easily and no real struggle, it robs the show of any tension or reason to watch. Also, with their most pressing issues already all solved what problems will they even have for the next season? Angels going to come down again to get mowed down in 5 seconds?
@@bakedturkeys2132 bro wants a 360 character change? lmaooo dude. take this as advice- just because you improve a certain aspect in your life and change how you view things does not mean you get a whole character arc. It's 1 step at a time buddy. That's literally contradictory to what you want? Do you know nothing about the mind or...are yah just here to complain? because you yapped nothing but contradictions. You don't unlearn behaiviours/habits as soon as you find something wrong. It doesn't work like that? I would assume you would know but...your comment doesn't portray that.
Toodles! ain't got time to talk to people who hate watch and join hate wagons.
The way Vox talked to Valentino reminded me _very much_ of how Andrealphus talked to Stella. Like, the dynamic was almost identical.
oohh youre so right. though maybe a little less witty
And I think that’s how we’re supposed to think of their dynamic at first… until the moment when Val brings up Alastor. At that moment the tables turned, with Vox being the one who’s unreasonably infuriated-and Val knew that exactly would happen. Val isn’t just a hot-tempered, childish control-freak; he’s a volatile, abusive master manipulator that can coerce people into feeling and doing what he wants them to.
Valentino wanted Vox to calm him down by helping him get Angel Dust back, but we know that Vox simply told Val to lay low. So, Val informed him that Alastor was at the hotel, and Vox did exactly what he wanted afterwards. Val may have Stella levels of maturity but is Andrealphus-leveled in any other aspect, if that makes sense.
(Just wanted to add that Val babies Vox while teasing him about Alastor, exactly like how Vox babied him just moments ago. Vox pinched his cheek while saying “that why you earn the big bucks”, so Val pinches Vox’s cheek while asking if he’s still “mad that he [Alastor] almost beat you”. The pettiness here is hilarious ngl 🤣)
I noticed that too! Vivzie just copy pastes villains!
Another thing that I kind of hate is that the "trailer" for hazbin hotel pretty much revealed the entire main plotline from A to Y. From Charlie confronting the angels to them eventually banning together to rise against the angels. Like at this point, all I really need to know is the ending, which sucks ass. Spoilers are universally hated but never in my life have I seen the show itself spoiling its own content, that's a whole new level of low. 😭
From the 4 year wait she already spoiled alot buy telling us about nearly all the future character that will be in the show and their story
Thank you that’s the problem I had to the trailer showed too much, that’s the problem with trailers nowadays for anything they review too much of the story. Any events that are going to happen trailers need to drop people in without revealing too much and it’s not hard to do that. There are trailers at Drew people into something, but without revealing or showing too much of the story.
@@JarodFarrant Ikr, they could have just spoiled the story for episode 1 and that could have been a decent trailer already
Yeah, those only happen if you're not confident in the show itself to be interesting...
That tends to happen pretty often to be honest, lots of movies and shows get 90% of their plot spoiled and you're supposed to watch it for the "adventure along the way" kind of thing
but yeah no i agree with you, keep as much of your plot secret as possible
Yeah I’m not gonna lie the reveal with Carmilla Carmine felt like it was suppose to be sentimental but… we JUST met her.
It would’ve hit so much harder if we were left wondering who did it and then by the end of the season Carmilla gets cornered and has to admit it and she feels that overwhelming guilt.
I felt the same way about Vaggie's moments in episode 3. "Like it was suppose to be sentimental but…" I literally needed to stop and think about what she was even talking about when she said her line that went like "Everything I've done today has backfired." Was she upset about... not... starting a presentation correctly? Which felt like more of a quick gag? And letting Angel Dust get a first say on what the second trust exercise should be? Neither of those felt like Vaggie issues, and I'm still not entirely sure I'm getting what she was upset about correct.
Episode 3, outside its songs, is just... weird. Burn it.
Viv doesnt understand about vague-ness leading to huge reveal sort of scenarios, literally if we didnt know the killer and they reveal it is her in the second Season, it could've helped make things more impactful, SOMETHING TO MAKE THE REVEAL ACTUALLY FEEL GOOD!
Idk how many noticed it, but the inconsistent height difference between characters is what gets me. In some scenes husk is near angel's shoulder, while at some he's barely above his elbow. Same with vaggie and charlie
My main problem is how the hell is ADAM an angel?
He's probably the character DESIGNED to be hated the most, and yet he is an ANGEL
Maybe Vizziepop thinks humans turn angels in heaven.
@@Goovdluck687 Or maybe in this story they do. It's kinda obvious they aren't following the bible exactly, so who's to say that they don't turn angels in heaven. Adam is could also be a special case since he was the first human.
This is explained but not in the actual series or show as of yet. So regular viewers need to wait and see
Probably because he was the first man and his sin was somehow forgotten
@Mourningstar_666 yeah its crazy that this isnt pointed out.
I think the issue is that the writers don’t know how to separate the story by seasons. Most show runners don’t know if they’ll get all of the seasons they want/need so what they’ll do is write a satisfying conclusion that either allows for more stories or can be quickly switched to a different conclusion should the next season be announced during development.
I think what Hazbin should’ve done is focus their first season rehabilitating sinners with only brief encounters with overlords and other people trying to stop them. Then they could move onto season 2 with focusing heavily on the overlords and the mystery of who killed the angel. There’s definitely a way to write this show so it works if the next season wasn’t even announced but it seems that the writers panicked and just crammed everything they could into one season.
The writers probably did have to cram as much in as they could with how big companies tend to treat stories like this. I'd be willing to bet they got way less time (# of episodes/budget to work with) than they hoped or was necessary and with no guarantee of a second season they did their best.
I'm thinking the next season will feel like a "season 1, part 2" than a true second season since I can't see this phase in the story being complete in only 8 episodes, and the world the characters are established in is large and extensive, even when just confined in pride ring.
Yes but what enemies would you put against the hotel? Alastor alone could outpower every demon and we are leaving outside lucifer and charlie wich are rated by the author as the number 1 and 3 in power, with that world building you have to race to heaven where there are stronger enemies or to nerf charlie and his father (maybe making him disappear and making her unable to use her powers), how do i feel concerned about charlie and the hotel if i know that she can just vaporize everyone who tries to hurt her or her guests?
@@gage6355 For enemies against the hotel, I think the best people would be the other sins, Asmodeus, Mammon, etc. I personally think the sins should be in Hazbin Hotel because they fit in better with the shows message of trying to become a better person on top of being very powerful. I also think the sins should’ve been more antagonistic because Charlie is actively trying to get people to stop sinning which is what the sins want (at least I think because Helluva Boss have been very finicky with what rules and expectations the sins have to follow). It’d also prevent Alastair from out powering everyone or Charlie from using her power because the sins are closely tied with Hell’s hierarchy and fighting them may cause more issues then solving them. Plus I’d think it’d be more interesting if Angel Dust had a contract with Asmodeus rather than Valentino so Charlie can’t just obliterate him. I think it’d be cooler for them to try and find a loophole in the contract or expose Asmodeus in some way.
Aside from that, I also think the show’s overall approach to Heaven was poorly done, mainly because of Adam. He ruins a lot of interesting aspects and mystery because it’s so obvious Heaven isn’t a good place because why would they employ such a jackass? Like I mentioned in my original comment, I think heaven should’ve been written the most conservatively in the beginning because there’s just way too much going on with Heaven’s inclusion.
@@nexferna7695 i think heaven is good just because it opens the way to discovering why the rules are so fucked up, maybe god is missing and things like that but yeah outside of that it's pretty strange.
For the sins is a really good idea but again idk if it's enought for a season, 2 /3 episodes of confronting asmodeus are credible but at a certain point we probably still think that's stupid from charlie to not order him to free the guy being above him in power and hierarchy also without her father, probably they should have solved the problem making her far weaker (or at least not stating that she is litterally top 3 in the kingdom) and keeping away lucifer in someway. Still is really a good idea confronting the sins
Im in the camp of the big hazbin and helluva fans and to me it felt like the show was moving super quickly compared to the pilot. There were almost no lingering or slow or no action shots like the shot of charlie calling lilith in the pilot. Its more noticable on the first watch and it gets better with a second watch, it just moves too quickly to notice everything in time or process.
Thank you, it’s what’s been ruining my joy of the show for me and other. How can we enjoy the story when the pacing is out of whack, it ruins our ability to connect with the characters or feel the weight of a funny or emotional situation! it feels like the writers are in fear of the show being cancelled so they’re doing it on auto pilot
The whole "Hell is Forever song" and the reveal about the dead angel felt like it should've been the end of the season
The show has a lot of great ideas, but it definitely feels like Vivzie may have originally intended for there to be more episodes. This is just a theory but I can imagine a show like this is very expensive and time consuming to make so they gave her only 8 episodes a season to work with and then she tried to cram as many ideas as possible into those 8 episodes.
Well, she didn't really have a choice. It was either this or nothing at all. She flipped a coin.
i think they did what they could within Amazon and a24's limits
Yeah. It's giving the last season of the owl house were they had to wrap everything up in only a few episodes. It's likely the companies fault.
It's true. I mean, the fact Alastor and his henchmen are already helping Charlie with the hotel at the beginning of the first episode is a perfect example of it. Husk and Niffty weren't even properly introduced.
I agree with you and also I think another reason the season is only 8 episodes is because most of Viv’s animation series usually have 8 episodes like helluva boss for example
I will say one thing about the "Season 2" speculation: it's very likely that what they're calling "Season 2" is actually just "Season 1 Part 2". Lately a few shows have had a Season 2 announced prior to Season 1 airing, only to later reveal that "Season 2" is actually just part of the same order as Season 1, only split in advertising to avoid paying the animators more. It happened with Inside Job, it happened with The Cuphead Show, and probably happened with Hazbin too.
Attack on Titan Season 4 Part 3 Part 1 flashbacks
Vaggie (as of now) seems to be in a similar boat to Millie. She's the love interest of a main character who is super powerful, but her entire character revolves around her partner, and when you remove that she's just bland. Now maybe that will be her arc, being her own person. But considering Millie hasn't got that in 2 seasons, I'm not sure.
It's obviously supposed to feel like Millie and I know that was a Viv decision, there's no denying it.
Millie at least got enough episodes, where a lot of her character came to the spotlight and her not having that many nuances isn't a bad thing either.
Her family and home town shows her upbringing and how her social circle perceives her, episode with Moxxie's backstory, gives information about her past through her ex and also how unstoppable she is towards those, who want to steal what her's and finally, the episode with the summer camp, shows how quickly new people come to accept her for who she is, without Moxxie at her side.
Overall, you already have gotten more than enough of her character displayed and the fact that she's liked that much, is proof of how we've gotten enough of her character to have a solid opinion.
Does anyone else feel like Vaggie is another Pearl from Steven Universe?
Spear-wielding beanpole who bases her self worth around protecting/serving someone in a higher social status to her?
For me the pair more closely reminds me of Cassandra and Rapunzel from tangled the series.
@figaroismycat I get strong poison ivy and Harley vibes for me. But Charlie gives me general disney princess vibes, especially Rapunzel .
@@Passions5555Funnily, Anaïs Delva, Charlie's French Voice in the Series, was Elsa's First French Voice.
@@figaroismycat difference with Cassandra and Vaggie is that Cassandra was more torn between her devotion to Rapunzel and her own ambitions, whereas Vaggie so far doesn't show this type of conflict but rather having no sense of self outside of her ability to protect Charlie.
Yeah like an angrier Pearl that swears
And a lot like Pearl, Vaggie will probably get some deeper character development later so she isnt just a cardboard cutout with "Lancer" taped to it.
The characters aren’t given room to BREATHE. There aren’t room for character arcs, there isn’t room for PAY OFF.
It’s because they were given only 8 episodes to work with and the creators wanted to do as much with the time as they could… it’s because shows don’t get time to breathe anymore
It felt like it was missing the core of its story but seeing the Angel dust episode, happy to see they nothings changed how they handled it
As much as I like Vaggie, I hope she has more screen time to develop her character and story other than just being “the girlfriend.” We already had this issue with Millie in regards to being someone who doesn’t do much without it involving their partner. She actually has potential and I want to love her.
I think we can all agree that it feels like we started on Episode 2, skipped right into Season 2, and are now in Season 3.
Edit: Or squeezing a 26 episode season into only 8 episodes. No one even MAKES 26 episode seasons anymore!
Only anime now. Cartoons not so much
My opinion: series with 40 minute of runtime, can have 8 episodes. But 20 minutes, it need atleast 20
I would have been fine with 50% pacing, like 16 eps of 22 mins each would've been pretty fair tbh...
Normie here, this show feels like getting dropped into season 6 of someones fanfiction where the writers gave up and just start leaning on whatever the characters gimmick is, except every character looks and feels like it's from a completely different show.
A first episode is all about introducing the characters and the world. Hazbin doesn’t do that or at least not well. The pilot did these things 1000 times better than the first episode and this is because the first episode doesn’t even try because it assumes you’ve already seen the pilot. The show expects us to already care about the characters without putting in any of the work. For example It’s revealed that the person that killed the angel is this random chick we’ve never seen before and barely know anything about and then they give her this whole dramatic song about it. Not only does this completely ruin what would’ve been an interesting mystery, but it also falls completely flat because we have no idea who this person is and have no reason to care about them because we just met them. I like the show so far. I think it’s solid, but it has some pretty major writing problems
To be fair, the pilot episode is considered to be canon by the creator herself. It's also FREE on YT. If people choose not to watch it, that's on them.
@@willowingwhispers2612 exactly
It's annoying to go out of your way to watch something else for a show you're getting into especially if you don't know you need to because most people don't do a ton of research before getting into a show they just want to sit down and enjoy something
Well Pilot episodes are "episode 0" so if You didn't watch the Pilot that's on You and no one else.
Also I founds the pacing to be good, at the VERY LEAST every episode meant something (no filler thus far), and I want It to be this way, I want the show to be moving to have this constant entertainment and the 4 episodes that I've seen so far did do an excellent job at that.
If someone has a problem with the pacing IDK I don't see It
I was legitimately expecting episode 1 to just be the pilot again with a fresh coat of paint, which is usually what cartoon pilots switching to episode 1 tend to do. Especially with such a drastic change in voice actors and designs.
The pacing could definitely be slower, but they can also benefit from "show, don't tell".
Dude I agree with you the pacing is a bit fast and I do wish they would slow down just a little bit but I understand it is on streaming services that they can only have to have like 8 or 10 episodes or sometimes 12 to 13 episodes depending how long the story will be runs up to under 20 + minutes or possibly 40 or even 50 + episodes depending on the budget of the show either live action or animation
How did Blue Eye Samurai do it?
@@BenHopkins1000 Their episode length was around 1h which is double the length of the ones in Hazbin hotel
@@robertaturcu1540 Exactly my point. How many arms did they have to twist to get Netflix to agree to that?
@@robertaturcu1540almost triple
My personal idea would be 16 eps of the same length as they are now, 50% slower pacing
Yeah for the first season I wanna actually see more demons in the hotel trying to change, and the hotel slowly filling up throughout the first season, the first episode of the first season can still have Adam saying the extermination has been moved forward, and the first season can end with a few demons making a solid change in themselves, but the second season should be about the hell overlords and trying to battle heaven and the conflict of whether it’s worth getting sinners into heaven or not
Does anyone else feel like Alastor was super nerfed? The pilot sets him up to be one of the most powerful sinners ever, but then they introduce another guy whose so scary people run screaming or set themselves on fire, and Carmilla disrespects Alastor to his face. I was certain Alastor teaming up with Lillith killed the angel but it seems like Alastor is really only a problem for the Vs.
I personally don't think so, but I honestly see your point. From what I am hearing, Zestial is one of the oldest demons in hell, even going as far as actually speaking in a more older English language. His voice too distorts in an eerie echo way, so it's safe to assume he's extremely power since he has been here the longest. Clearly Alastor does respect him!
Does he respect the other overlords? Well besides Rosie, we're not entirely sure yet.
Alastor does have the power to cause chaos and do what he wants, but he chooses not to because he's the type to leave things drawn out for his own entertainment.
I do agree the reveal of the overlord who killed the angel could have been handled better.
No. Carmilla and Zestial were seen with Lucifer briefly in the pilots intro. They seemed to be in Lucifer’s inner circles so naturally Alastor had never actually been the most powerful. In the grand scheme of things the Ars Goetia and 7 deadly sins and even Charlie are more powerful.
They prolly still have a connection both have been gone for 7 years
Ugh, I totally agree.
@Cass0wary_399 I'm going to be honest how am I supposed to understand that from a brief pilot cameo?
Honestly?
I don't think that pressure from Amazon is a valid excuse to not pace your show properly.
If you need to rely on big shocking plot twists and excessively epic stakes and drama to keep audience retention to the point where Amazon Daddy would actually agree to greenlight you, then that proves to me that you don't have confidence in your own story to let it stand on it's own merits
Pacing is something that Vivzie's crew really do have trouble with. Helluva Boss suffers from it as well. Things are happening soooo quickly and we go from an action scene to a heartfelt emotional moment and then whiplash immediately to a comedy bit in the span of about 30 seconds. It does feel like information overload at times.
Makes me wanna go back and watch the tea ceremony scene from Samurai Jack's final season. Genndy has always been amazing at understanding the value of quiet, slow, and still moments in animation and some of that magic is sorely needed in Hazbin and Helluva.
I agree. I feel like the pacing is too fast and its hard to take in characters and make huge moments mean something.
Then you miss obvious important plot ties.
I wish with the limited 8 episodes that the length of the episodes were an hour long instead of 25 minutes. Still just happy to have the episodes we have though. I love the vox/Alastor song.
Basically, if you are not a pilot episode viewer you are going to be lost for a bit trying to catch up on who everyone is lol. EP1 should have been fully focused on intros
I just realized something: Hazbin gives off the same feeling as fan made content, like fanfics or comics. When you have an idea you want to present (for example, war between hell and heaven) you tend to skip "the boring" parts, like world building, character development... you unfold the story already knowing everything. You are not doing this for people to watch, you do this for yourself to watch. Therefore, the product becomes butchered.
Here's are some of the I'm hoping to see or they could explore on.
1: Seeing Vaggie's backstory to see why she so devoted to Charlie and her cause.
She's seem like an strong character physically but is emotionally weak without Charlie.
2. More guest coming in the hotel's mission.
Overtime I do hope that Charlie will be greeted with more guest soon, more characters who want to actually join in for her redemption program.
3. Charlie's Backstory.
I really am interested to see why Charlie is the kindest and selfless character after her background we got told so far from Husk's analysis of each one of the members.
Imagining how she was raised must had been mentally straining.
4. Each one of the hotel staff and members warming up to Charlie and each other.
True, Charlie might be kinda...too positive but I would like to see someone like Angel, Husk, or some future's guest warming up to Charlie but still being themselves.
And 5: Alastor's plans or endgame.
As far we seen from him he's planning something in the background, because he didn't stumble on to the once Happy Hotel or seeing Charlie's announcement by coincidence.
Some people theorize alastor is working for Lilith Charlie's mother and Lilith sent alastor to help her daughter
And somehow all of these have happened now
@@NearPanther92Yep and I'm so satisfied
also I really hope they have better writing and structure of the story because I feel like it doesn't even make sense...for example emily calls the people of hell "innocent souls" and by that logic valentino and alastor would be considered "innocent",also why is charlie and emily lowkey annoying i have never wanted to root for the villains more my whole life
It is amazing that Hazbin was picked up and got to this stage in the first place, but it didn’t meet expectations. But that’s ok. It’s ok that it tried, you know? It’s going to be remembered as one of the earliest success stories of the indie scene and hopefully will inspire more fleshed out productions from others in the future.
Yeah I feel like people should be celebrating more
Hazbin has been in the publics eyes for years now. Everyone has a theory and a wish on how the story will unfold. And disappointed when the hype wasnt met. I had a feeling that the fanbase would build it up a bit too much. And 8 episodes doesn't help it at all. It shouldve had 16-26 episodes to get the ball rolling. Especially if we really wanted some episodic adventures. The show isnt without fault but i can chalk it up to corporate meddling to a certain degree.
bro the season isn't even over yet calm down
Sorry to burst your bubble but Vivzie didn’t start indie animation. She was just lucky to get big though.
@@WallaceismybaPretty sure everyone knows that, they are just saying this is the second Indie Animation that got picked up into being a T.V. Show by a huge company like A24 and Amazon.
The first from my knowledge being Don't Hug Me I'm Scared
Vivs writing style is chronic crackhead with a side of salvia energy
I can’t tell whether or not I like the character designs. On the one hand, they’re very expressive and I like the colors. On the other, I can already imagine kids on TikTok dressing up like them and lip syncing to bullshit in a very cringe manner.
LMAO REAL
Also the character designs are WAY too detailed. Some people love that but to me, I'd rather make the designs simpler so that it would be easier to draw fanart of the characters.
Not only that, for animation you generally SHOULD have simpler designs, save for a few scenes (ex. transformations) where the animators can go all out. Not just for ease of the animators but ease of the audience who don't want to see an overly designed character bounce around a screen for 20+ minutes. @@moonzie37
It feels like we are getting all the A plot points on what should be the B plot part of the episodes. A lot of what we've seen is important, but it is all too fast-paced without getting to know any of the characters or why there should be emotional impact with what we are learning. So in otherwords, I agree with your take.
They’re very quick with some things and so painfully slow with others. I’m genuinely heartbroken Cherri hasn’t shown up yet, but velvette has appeared twice. Also the whodunit with the dead angel was over as soon as it started and I wish they played it out more
I see some clips and i question myself:
Wtf the angels looks more Demon like than the proper demons?
And WHY Adam is a angel o even a Demon like (or why is just there)
Adam and Lute aren't angels. They're exterminators. If you've see the CHERUBS in Helluva Boss, they look like cutesy little animals. Adam is in heaven and curses because he ate the forbidden fruit and is the first human ever. Humans are more subjected to sin, + that he's an exterminator and kills people every year.
Fr they portrayed angel like a villain and some have bad attitude like wtf. Yeah! it doesn't affect any kids who secretly watching this on their home! Thank you vivziepop!! 😀👍 (sarcasm)
@@fluoroantimonicacid4844 it's not even for kids, if they're watching it, that's on them lol.
Plus, kids are not as gulliable as you think, they can tell what's right and what's wrong, and in this case, the demons are right.
my biggest issue isnt pacing but the weird humor
Similar to The Owl House, I'm sure they would have loved more episodic episodes and to take things slower, but when you work with corporations you have to work on their timeline, which often times means not having as much time or as many episodes as you'd like. It's the same with the live action One Piece show that cut out around two episodes I believe, so they had to cram more in less, which is probably why they weren't able to introduce Smoker in the first season.
I started the show expecting a redone version of the pilot episode. That would have really helped for those who dont know of it. And im glad someone finally said something about the pacing. Some spots in the show felt like it was moving fast and we were introduced to characters as if we already seen them.
Same here! But by the end of the episode, I was like "Ohhh okay, so this is actually episode 2 with some recap."
But when you only have 8 episodes, should you really waste one on retelling a story that’s already easily accessible for anyone interested?
@@davidkimpton6775 true, it's also partly prime's fault
hopefully, we can get a 16 or 20 ep season 2 when prime sees s1's success...
I honestly think that they should have made hazbin hotel an episodic show. They only got 8 episodes, which isnt enough time to make a serialized story. The show was supposed to be about the hotel and redeming sinners but the show barly focuses on it because it to focused on the heaven-hell war plotline. I think it was a poor decision to make the show about a plot that was introduced in the first episode, rather than about the characters and their arks.
I will admit the show is cool, but I agree with your points. If VivsiPop is lucky, a second season will be given, and maybe we’ll get more episodes, with a more solid plot, and stable runtime.
I don't have a problem with the pacing. Besides, the studio probably told them "you get this many episodes per season" so they shoved a bunch of episodes together. It's also a HUGE risk for a company to take on an animated show like this, because they are extremely expensive to make - again, why it's probably shorter than some would like. I'm just happy we get a show at all.
same
Yeah the pacing is a bit fast. I thought we’d get a brand new pilot but it immediately threw us in and surprised me
i adore hazbin’s unique characters, lgbtq rep, music, and story. but good god with the amount it’s been popular since the show dropped if season 2 isn’t spaced out/correctly paced i’m not going to be able to take it anymore. it may seem dramatic but i lost interest in helluva boss and started to dislike it heavily because of the choice of pacing, and i am praying hazbin doesn’t turn into what that show did. it genuinely pisses me off
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels this about the pacing. Alastor competing to play Daddy gave me whiplash. Like where tf did that even come from?
He's not though. It was clearly just an act the rile up Lucifer.
He's not lol
He doesn't care abt charlie that much
he's just doing it to get under Lucifer's skin
The thing is, it was ALREADY GREENLIT FOR A SEASON 2
even before the show released, they said season 2 was coming in a trailer, so idk why the writing is this fast paced
shows can still get cancelled when they get greenlit. EX: velma
@@huh7102 Yeah even though they announced a season 2 they can still canceled it whenever they want.
they didn't know they were gonna get a season 2 until halfway through making season 1
Animation especially is prone to being cancelled even after a green light. Inside Job was a great show on Netflix and they were greenlit then suddenly canceled. Anything can happen in that industry
Viv, you know she's the culprit for that, we literally see that thing in Season 2 of HB and especially Episode 4 then this show and she LITERALLY JUST SAID FANS DONT HAVE TO WAIT AS LONG TO GET S2 OF HH.
my biggest issue was them breaking into song every single opportunity they got, like yeah if you wanna make a musical-adjacent series you need songs, but I just felt a little cringe watching the characters start to sing like 2 times per episode every chance they got
I completely agree but reminder that they're only doing 8 episode for season 1 and it's most likely prime who set the amount of episode to something so short.
yeah they probably set the amount of eps so short because it started out as an indie project on yt so they don't wanna waste money on something like this if it's just gonna be a flop so they set it to 8 eps so they can see whether it will succeed or fail before giving it more eps
yeah but season one was a good success right?
So hopefully prime will give 16 eps for season 2...
I think they are worried about the show being canceled since it was limited to 8 episodes
It probably will...
Season 2 is confirmed, and I'm pretty sure season 3 is at least in mind
@@Itariatan Yeah but it can still canceled like Velma.
Depends also how popular and succesfull it will be when it comes to numbers. If for example audience watching last episode will drop by 50% in comparison to the first, they probably will pull the plug.
Then why would they put it up with a company like Amazon or A2A? They should’ve just kept it on CZcams, not that I’m not happy for Viv. But it’s just not solid. It’s just rushed.
The problem with the pacing pretty much comes down to the musical bits. When almost half of each episode is set out for 2 songs, often not advancing the plot (for example, Carmilla's and Vaggie's song could have been a line), they end up with too little time to work with.
Season one was produced when season 2 was already confirmed
Season 2 didn't get greenlit until after production on season 1 finished.
Of the issues from the show pacing is definitely one of the biggest episode. One felt so rushed, no time taken to like character dialogue, or development, moods and situations brought up, warm properly paste, and therefore no time to have a connection to it. The humour and dialogue also felt more immature and cartoonish, I get it it’s an animated adult series however an animated series is adult that doesn’t mean the dialogue has to be(edgy, curse words, and immature just for the sake of it, which I felt was the issue) the original pilot had childish humour and curse words, but I was all for a good reason, and it felt probably paced and well timed and was mature. This wasn’t that.
This first season is giving 2nd season vibes.
They did get only flagged for 8 episodes sadly but Im hoping if we get another season after this that we get more fleshed out characters. However I will say they did well with showing Angels situation and didnt pull a Helluva boss (aka treating trauma like a punchline or to build a character who has no reason to be affected by the trauma).
the second season was already confirmed
@@CherryHotSauce wait fr? where was it confirmed?
@@webrosestarit was confirmed in the original trailer for Hazbin back in September
@vgmarkis
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There is something that's been bugging me since the pilot episode...
If a sinner can be redeemed into heaven, Charlie shouldn't currently be in hell.
She's more wholesome than the angels sent to kill her people, maximum selflessness, and has concern for everyone else's happiness over her own.
I need a payoff on this paradox. Is she secretly evil? Did she have a secret opportunity to leave and reject it? Is she being punished for the sin of her mother and her father?
I would love to see the show spend time on this❤
Well, problem is that Charlie is Hell-born. She wasn't just dumped there like the Sinners. If you've watched Helluva Boss then she's just like the Imps and Hellhounds, this is her home. Being the child of a (fallen) angel is the only thing that gives her the power and protection that she has as Princess.
@@cyberwolf_1013Bingo
you've been misunderstanding the show since the pilot then lol. charlie is hellborn, not a sinner
@@colorbar.s ya, but how does that work when her mom is a sinner.
She's hellborn, but ½ and ½ fallen angel
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@@cyberwolf_1013I see what you mean but the technicality is that she's half human half fallen angel. She's born in hell, but not by the same circumstances as the other creatures of hell. But whatever, this show is probably not gonna get into all that lol.
At first I didn't like Husk no voice but I after episode 4 I've learned to accept it.
one issue i have with the writing is that vivzie has a habit of writing toxic gay relationships, which goes back to the zoophobia days. angel dust’s relationship with valentino makes sense contextually but then there’s charlie and vaggie. vaggie is emotionally weak without charlie and dedicates every aspect of her life to charlie. their relationship is supposed to be shown as more healthy but it just isn’t. vaggie literally sings about how she feels worthless if she can’t do anything for charlie. i want to see vaggie be able to break away from this way of thinking and be able to find herself again because she’s lost who she is in her relationship with charlie. the whole thing with adam that i appreciated is that he’s really no better than any of hell’s citizens. however, there should’ve been more condescension with the way he spoke to charlie. i love “hell is forever” but it’s basically just adam rolling his eyes to the idea of the hotel in the form of a song. i also think that we have a pacing issue regardless. it’s going very fast now and they’re introducing a bunch of subplots at once. however, it could go the other way and we’d have the same issue. they could slow down the pacing of the story but it would start to feel too slow because there are only 8 episodes in the season. hopefully season 2 will be a happy medium with good pacing
I agree with the Vaggie part. I feel like she needs to be a more fleshed out character and not just “Charlie’s girlfriend “ because it’s so one dimensional. Millie from Helluva Boss has that issue too. What’s even sadder is that we know more about Angel Dust than we do about the main character . He has more depth than Vaggie and Charlie combined which is just …disappointing to say the least…
@@myaedelman yeah exactly. the toxic gay relationships and not having fleshed out female characters are both big problems i’ve noticed
I hope when this season is over the creators do a “redo” and convince the studio to fund a “real” first season with 24 episodes each 30-40mins+ long. This series deserves it so much
LOVED Stayed Gone
Anyways umm
Yeah EIGHT EPISODES ONLY?? Yikes yeah I can see why theyre sprinting
Also Vaggie being the angel killer is such a good idea,, although I’m guessing that they made an Overlord the killer so Adam’s “there will be no demon left alive to pull this stunt again” phrase can be highlighted. Guessing Alastor being at the hotel might make it a target or something :3
Honestly I like fast pacing shows it keeps me hooked for longer.
I have adhd it’s hard ok😭
Definitely growing pains, Hazbin hotel truly deserved 12 to 24 episodes, but it was squished. Even 4 more episode would’ve fixed a lot of issues, other than the pacing my only issue is the over excessive swearing
that and bland character and some big plot holes.
this is how i would handle what we have so far if we change 8 episodes a season to 12(or if needed 10)
episode 1 we get the pilot but done again specifically Introducing carmila carmine early (make her official debut here)(even if its just a clip of her holding the two assistants in a caring way (we dont know why but it sets up the dead angel reveal) ending with a camera shot of an Angels head filling the entire screen (so we dont know they're dead).
Episode 2 begins with the first half of the actual episode one along with an exploration of Charlie's goal's as alastor grills Charlie on why shes trying to save these sinners and pushing her (not agresivly but reiterating the same question in different ways with his smoth Charming voice getting into her head) throughout the episode to the point where just as shes about to have a mental breakdown and reveal a deeper motivation then just i want to save people (even if its a resigned i dont know) she gets a call and we explicitly dont here the other end but hear everything about charlies response and how her mood which was going down throughout the episode instantly jumps back to full chear as we end the episode on a camera shot of Adam smiling as we Hear Charlie say that she's been asked to attend a meeting in the place of Lucifer.
Episode 3 opens with charlies cheary song on the way to the meeting before switching to vaggie basically stating her goal to make a new better add for Charlie before she gets back whilst also spiting venom at alister for pushing her, which Alistair just pushes off with charn, and then we cut to Adam in a clearly defined room before cutting to Charlie entering the embassy and singing into the building before entering the meeting room (this clearly establishes that adams not actually theur because of the brief clip of him in a different room was presented just before charlie entered (setting up the joke of him being a hologram). Charlie enters the meeting and instead of the tone we got in the actual show instead Charlie is instantly swamped with paperwork which either he or lucifer need to sign which is really just a formality to acknowledge every single soul who perished in the extermination (this reinforces the idea that Lucifer's will was crushed because he had to sign paperwork acknowledging the crimes of every soul killed in each years extermination along with these papers stating that this signature as a mandatory acknowledgement Absolves the Exterminator of the Sin of Murder and Forgives all the sins of the sinner as they receive forgiveness and purification in their execution (each individual sin(not as a totality but as an individual action so if you stole a pencil and then stole an apple both actions would be labelled as theft then the item Date, time and personal justification(which by signing the contract acknowledges this as a sin no matter the reason for it) requiring a signature of acknowledgement from lucifer or his daughter this shifts the initial tone from Comedy to formality and sets up a line from adam that sinners cant be forgiven by paralling the lines on the contract speaking of forgiveness which Charlie's forced to sign before they can actually formally start the meeting (the plan was also using this to distract lucifer whilst they search for a missing executioner finding the corpse later).
After the meetings chunk one we check on the ad for the hotel plot for a few minutes before we get a time skip of hours for Charlie to read and sign every single death report and we see a small flicker Reveling adams not in the room as we get a song from Charlie going through the mental anguish of being forced to acknowledge every single soul killed in this years execution and relises this is why her Dad stopped dreaming but even though some of these people may be monsters they must be savable through some other method then this meaningless slaughter (Setup for the Labelling of it as Entertainment) as we see adam move in the song revealing he heard that as a here a stifled laugh Charlie doesnt (setting up his opposition to the concept of saving people) then after the song checking in on the ad plot as vaggies been struggling the entire time and at this point is getting stressed from how long Charlie's taking as well that something went wrong but also doesn't want to go after her till shes got the ad done along with not knowing Where alastor is and id trying to film the ad finding him and and eventually making the same deal she made in the actual episode 1 getting that hole sequence then getting back to the meeting as charlie signs the last death report and is straight up crying as the report basically gives them the most Insignificant of sins and even mentioned that in life he always Sacrificed himself to save others (but that sacrificing of his own body to save orhers from being defiled damned their soul)(think a sinner whos a perfect mirror to Charlie who's only sins are basically being a Victim(this is specifically to break her heart)(as though we haven't seem every execution report this one shed likely seen multiple similar stories in the batch and this being the last one basically breaks her momentarily as adam looks over (with borderline R*pey intent (Screen darkens and charlie feels shaken back and puts herself back to happy as we get the actual meeting from the show and after charlie gets pushed out we get a song of her basically crying as shes walking home as shes was essentially just forced to become intimately familiar with 16% of the Populations lives and Deaths Including things like a person who was in hell for the sin of Suicide to Escape An Abusive parent(throughout the song we see lines from various contracts show up in relation to the pain shes feeling ) as she gets to the hotel doors crying before picking her self up with a sort of even if its impossible that doesn't mean i shouldn't Try, type vibe as we get the same end of episode resolution with the ship looking at ths body but we dont see Adam instead we here his voice and only the line about making sure they cant do this again as Voxs logo Hyjacks the screen in heaven and we cut back to hell as the angel ship crashes (setup for angelic security debloped using real angel Technology(along with a reinforcing the idea they can fight the angels as he just took control of their tech and Embeded a piece of himself in it since they brought it into Hell and his range of Influence) as the episode ends.
Episode 4 is just the actual episode 2 as we've now properly established the base state of things and can get up to speed except we see vox tinkering with the angelic tech during the song with alastor, and at the end of the episode we see a hand reach out and take the severed angels head.
Episode 5 formerly 3 is also mostly the same but the trust theme is also applied to charlie building up her revealing everything that happened in the meeting in episode 3 to the hotels guests
Episode 6 formerly 4 is basically the Same
i tried to add things rarther then remove things to make it better additively instead of subtracting things
I love this series but thank you for pointing that out. I got some serious whiplash just by watching the first episode 😅
I’m so glad I’m not alone thinking about how Vaggie’s been such a nothing burger of a character. Because you’re absolutely correct. The hotel’s manager, Charlie’s right hand woman and girlfriend, should have more depth and substance to her character outside of just being Charlie’s girlfriend. But there isn’t. She literally orbits and exists as an accessory to Charlie. I don’t feel anything the show is trying to make me feel about her and her relationship with Charlie because there IS PRACTICALLY NOTHING THERE. If there’s nothing there, why should I care?
1:51 Thanks for the mental image of Verbalase finding his way into the show. Really needed that.
So glad to see someone talking about this, like it’s legit my only problem
theres 8 20 min episodes so well it being fast is the best we can get
Pretty much hit all the top criticisms on the head. After 4 years of waiting I want to be able to enjoy these characters. I wanna know what's between Carmine and Zariel, see more of Angel bonding with Husk and Pentious. Not rush from plot point to point.
I think the best thing that could happen for season 2 (going off what you said I'd bet money they weren't told they were renewed until very last minute) is to make the episodes longer. Makes them 45 instead and let the characters breathe
i think vaggie is gonna get a crazy lore drop very soon
Considering how most streaming animated shows barely get 1 full season can you really blame them for the brisk pacing?
No I can't blame them I just really wish the pilot was made an episode 0 or 1 and the actual Episode 1 was split into 2 episodes beyond that i think everything was done exceptionally well (I just know someone from more general audiences is going to get recommended the show and then get lost in episode 1 from not having seen the pilot it's a statistical certainty
(I specifically wanted them to spend more time on the meeting for example what if Charlie had to sign paperwork like for every sinner executed a death report must be signed post mortem telling Charlie a brief version life story (considering demons and angels exist and have power it seems like a system that could be automatically set up) along with the exact sins that damned their souls to hell but every report needs multiple signatures from Lucifer or his daughter to formally "Forgive" the sins of the Sinners who Died and to also Pardon the sinners of any form of Sinful Guilt for Committing murder (this basically Reveals just what Broke her father's will to be a dreamer) along with this we can even have a song as she's singing them going through a mental whirlwind between the sinners who's only sin was something like being Graped (which as per the text of the Bible and Commonly accepted religious traditions makes you a sinner) and those who's sins are killing, Abusing and Graping others, to really motivate her to save the Sinners who are good along with emotionally damaging her because she has to realise just how many people died in a single years execution how many more people who are ostensibly innocent have been killed
They definitely should have told a smaller story if they only had so few episodes to work with. Probably stick with Angel being redeemed and Charlie realizing how hard it is to help reform a single person, let alone all of Hell. Maybe keep the plot thread of Sir Pentious being a spy as a way to undermine the Hotel from the inside in the hopes of becoming a new Overlord.
Then in season 2 you introduce Alastor and Adam to really shake things up when Heaven and Hell realize that Charlie's hotel isn't just a joke.
After watching the finale I defiantly feel the speed.
It really felt like the show wanted at least 12 episodes, but wasn't given the budget to do so, so they had to speed through things so that the finale and set ups for season 2 made sense.
I hope with how successful the show has been it will be given the money to make more episodes with more flushed out plots and story.
The Angel Dust focused fourth episode really felt like they shoved at least 3 episodes into one, it just feels like they're cramming too much into episodes when they should actually be spread out across multiple episodes, there's only four episodes yet it feels like they're tried to tell us like 8 episodes.
I feel like a lot of the stakes set up in this show are escalating WAY too briskly.
Really liked it best show I have seen in a while honestly didn't notice the fast pace on first watch I think having only 8 episodes is to blame. Can't wait for the next 4 to come out
This goes for both Hazbin Hotel and its spin-off Helluva boss, which has had this issue for a while, there needs to *actual* evil in hell, but there’s almost none. Just what Vivziepop *Thinks* is evil, i.e. the bare minimum.
There should be hints of the 7 Sins and demons doing evil or punishing sinners; like Ozzie or Ozmodius lord of lust being a (former) serial rapist, Bee or Beelzebub, sin of gluttony and lord of flies himself, literally eating anything including souls and flesh, who ever Envy will believe by spiteful and sadistic towards others, Stolas in Helluva causing literal wars and atrocities on Earth so he can have more souls to “play” with, and Lucifer himself being a psychotic puppet master even seeing hell and it’s denizens as be giant tv show for his amusement (hence why he is neglecting Charlie who is a good person).
Yeah demons and fallen angels are supposed to be evil. This is why it dose not make sense for Charlotte to be good at all.. And even if that is ignored e her redemption dream is doomed to fail. Because for other demons Good is dumb. And that story Charlie read at the beginning of the episode could be a lie Lucifer told Charlie so she won't learn he actually was gone Riddick and want to be a God above Gods the creator and how he tried and failed horribly to overthrow him cause then Charlie will keep siding with heaven.
@@mysterythekitsune2988 People when someone was born in hell :0 and has dreams that differ from each distinct character that fell in hell due to their sins.
It's almost like demons and fallen agels had sinned before? oh wow, yeah, going to hell. Charlie is just a sheltered princess with unrealistic dreams who probably idealized the other side like any person does. it's not that hard to see. So charlie makes sense. And for demons "good is dumb" critical thinking aint your strong suit. What about sinners? yk, the ones who sinned and fell to hell from earth? are we just going to forget they were once human with their own problems with sme probably thinking they don't deserve to be there? especially new sinners, which are most likely to be the ones looking for redemption. Especially the ones afraid of death due to the "cleansing" that happens every once in a while.
You want actual evil? make your own show. Can they even add that? You're all spouting your own ideas as if the creator didn't have her own which was seperate from yours. How you see how the show should have been.
Just because your idea wasn't in the show doesn't mean it's not good. It's embarrassing. It's supposed to be a comedy that deals with heavy subjects surrounding the problems within ones self. A cartoon? Hell is a punishment for sinners so I could understand wanting to see them getting punished but I think it's REALLY obvious we ain't going off the bible or punishment thing. And I don't think you asked vivzie pop what she thinks is evil, you just compared what you saw as evil and got mad it wasn't in the show. that is weird.
Like seriously, whenever you see the 7 sins in like cartoons, animes, anything not realistic do they do that or did you only notice it for this show? because i've sure noticed that in multiple.
Whenever h3ll is portrayed(even in some realistic comedy tv series) they don't do that? why? because they had their own idea for how it could go and the setting just happens to be in hell.
Basically this comment is "this show isn't evil/emo enough and doesn't have enough darkness even thought it's just a silly comedy which focuses on the thought of redemption, self improvement, hard ships one goes through during their daily lives, etc. I want it to focus on this instead". If you can't tell already, this isn't really ABOUT HELL. It's about the CHARACTERS THEMSELVES and the added spice of "oh lets earn redemption.". The things you listed down isn't an issue. It's just you having an idea that could "spice up" the show and it's lore.
@@Iheartmefrso people are not allowed to criticize anymore?
@@sg9099 At this point it doesn't seem like criticizing anymore...more like whining that your idea isn't part of the show = something missing.
And then calling someones idea the bare minimum(Evil) when you don't even understand what idea they had in the first place and whether it even surrounded the evils of hell.
One thing about the pacing is
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example the angel head I had already expected that Carmilla had killed it but it would have been a cool build up to the show revealing she did it to save her kids. We could have found out at the same time the angels had. That’s a problem I have with a TON of shows
This, whatever the writing team is doing and Ik Viv is in that, they dont understand the most simple things when writing for a cartoon, legit we're supposed to start small then work right up to a truly big moment, that's even a basic thing of writing a game.
It has a Netflex Cowboy Bebop complex.
It's like... What do you expect? Vivzie may well have planned to take Hazbin Hotel down a slower and more organic route, but if the streaming platform only allows you 8 episodes instead of maybe 20, there's nothing you can do
There is something you can, write better.
@artistanthony1007 why dont you try writing a better series then
this is my exact point, people are complaining about this without taking into consideration that there are few episodes and it couldn't be otherwise
It's a shame, really. Whoever had the brilliant idea of giving this show an eight-episode restriction was practically setting the series up for failure.
@@bezierballad8852 I agree with the episode restriction the writers have to put 3 episodes worth of content in a single episode, inorder for them to tell the story they want.
I think of these are great you made up half my childhood
I did t even notice this promblem but now you talked about it it does feel like the pacing is really fast
Yep you're right it's going way to fast.
I feel like so many animated series get cut short these days that the creators probably feel the pressure to get their story out
Normally I'm not big fan of shows (That are not specifically about music) that feel the need to put add least 1 song in every episode without a good excuse.
It can be distracting and can sometimes feels like a desperate attempt to make a show more memorable.
I do like some of the songs in the show, but I just wish the songs can be reserved for when it's nessessary for a character to sing rather then have a character sing whenever the writers want them to.
I also find it annoying that shows like HH make it seem like a large portion of the characters are talented singers with no explanation.
why should they have to explain their vas? why should they have to say "voice actor X who voiced character Y played in musical Z"??
I think the singing is like one of the main things about Hazbin hotel. Like an integral part of it's identity. That's why they made the cast talented singers.
Yeah, sounds like you just don't like musicals.
I can’t believe this star studded cast from Broadway sings
Pretty sure Adam wouldn't act like Vivian's vision. Hell is a punishment for wrong doing and evil actions so Adam behaving like this world 100% put him under God's eye.
In a sense, "You want to act like that, you can join them!"
There'd be disciplinary action.
I hope prime will allow 16 episodes next time (in season 2), seeing the success of season 1, and we will get the same amount of story with slower pacing and some focus on the characters' backstories...
The problem with the episodes is that they aren't as long as the pilot was. With the pilot, it was a full-length feature where we had plenty of time to get to know the characters and their motives in just a couple minutes. Where in the new episodes we only had the episodes for about 24 minutes, so they had to crunch as much information as they could.
I just finished the season in one take, and the first half up until Angel's working scene was incredibly boring to me. Or, maybe boring is the wrong word to use, but I couldn't really focus on it properly. It just felt like a whole lot of nothingness and useless information being thrown at me. I loved the pilot, loved the comics released, music video(s) and some of the inspired fan-projects (especially PARANOiD DJ's stuff) and while I know the latter isn't canon, it still shaped the characters a bit in my mind. Val's first introduction made him seem like a whiny, jealous b- when it came to Angel, not a smug, cunning character with lots of actual power and influence like he's portrayed as in Addicted. And he doesn't even have any lines there! Not to mention how Vox seems to be more in control than Val, which is a complete 180 to how I perceived their relationship. I've always gotten the impression that Val was manipulating enough to own at least Vox, despite him also being an overlord with power of his own.
Angel's working scene is when things finally started to fall into pieces (for me), as if the dust of the busy introductions had settled and the actual actions of the show started to line up properly. That was also the Valentino I was expecting to see; somewhat calculated, abuse of power, upset without being whiny but rather resorting to physical control and aggression and just evil.
I already forgot when Lucifer was introduced, ep. 5? I was really disappointed with how he was portrayed as well, he gave me such a bad first impression. Funnily, same as with Val, he came across incredibly insecure, whiny and desperate to me, even a bit useless and pathetic. Which would probably have been fine for another character, but it's LUCIFER. I expected him to be much more calm and, I guess, dark? while still caring about his own, but he just seemed silly for the sake of being silly. Cheap comedic effect that fell short.
Honestly the main cast (Angel, Husk, Alastor, Charlie and Vaggie despite what you stated in the video)+Serpentious seems like the only developed characters to me. Not counting Nifty on purpose.
While the first half was super disappointing for me, the second half did make up for some of it and just felt more well-rounded and actually thought through and I did enjoy it as a whole. I'm cautiously optimistic for s2.
Also this is just how I interpret it.
Exactly how I feel with Val. Every character that was portrayed as cunning, dark and sinister is flipped to be the exact same as them all: goofy, wacky, silly. It's demeaning. I'd rather have the character with two minutes of screen time as an actual interesting character and not twenty minutes of yet another Blitzø knockoff.
Imo they should've switched it around. Originally show Val as being a horrifying character THEN reveal, right when he is about to lose, how much of a whiny baby he really is.
I have been really loving the show, but all the issues about it are all centred around the pacing. If the episodes were longer and we had more character building, it would be the perfect show. The songs are amazing, the characters are great, but it’s just been too fast. If we just gave the characters more screen time that just gives us a look into how they are, it would be so much better. I don’t blame them for making the show fast paced if they are worried about not being renewed for Season 2, I mean, the community has been waiting like, a decade for the show and not being able to make a second season would be absolutely devastating to both the community and the producers. I think they are just trying to ensure that they get a lot out for the community in the hopes that the worst won’t happen. I think it’s just been a rough start, and that if we get a Season 2, it will have none of the issues it has now.
season two has been confirmed! :D
I know that :D, but it is possible for them to get cancelled while they are making the second season, it’s unlikely, but anything could happen. Think about what happened to Final Space and Inside Job. Those were amazing shows and the companies screwed them over.
@@co.MegaMan yeah, amazon could just shut it down if the reception (or more likely the money) from the fans/public isn't as good as it hoped
I agree with the pacing. I wish the episode we got was given closer to the end of the season but again. I don't blame the crew. There could also be that fear of cancellation. I don't think it will happen but it's still there.
0:08 made me laugh and summed up a big problem the show the same time😂 I legit liked watching that show