The Mars Project! Von Braun's Ideas for a Mars Mission. Collaboration with Vintage Space
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- In a special two part episode, Fraser collaborates with space historian Amy Shira Teitel at Vintage Space to investigate what spaceflight advances could have happened. Amy looks at the lost Apollo Missions, while Fraser talks about Werhner Von Braun’s “Mars Project”.
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Collier's articles: dreamsofspace.blogspot.ca/2012...
Humans to Mars: history.nasa.gov/monograph21/...
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Team: Fraser Cain - @fcain / frasercain@gmail.com
Karla Thompson - @karlaii
Chad Weber - weber.chad@gmail.com - Věda a technologie
It's interesting how much of Von Braun's ideas hang around today, most importantly the 400-day stay and the use of separate crew transfer vehicles and landers.
Von Braun's plans were ambitious but were sized after Antarctic exploration of the time and since they had yet to build reliable computers, humans would have had to do a lot more of the tasks we now have automated. That is also the reason for sending a manned mission as the first mission, nowadays we would always send robotic probes first to map the place but such probes could hardly be conceived of at the time.
He didn't get to Mars but at least he got to see the Viking probes land within his lifetime.
the way you put it, seems somehow that we saw and learn or did much more about mars than he did in his lifetime..
I think honestly, in 100 year or less they'll for some bizarre reason figure out Von Braun was right. That guy was true genius.
Too bad he’s a nazi
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Nazis wanted von braun . Not vonbraun was a nazi .
@@zhaochenhe1232 really?
He was a Nazi
And also a Nazi!
To Mars!!! But lets test all the gear on the moon first. It's too far to go just to die on Mars because a little piece of equipment doesn't work as planned.
Agreed. Let's test on the Moon first.
They should develop robotics so we don't have to go, send robots that are setup to build stuff on the moon and Mars, then humans can go there and live in luxury and can work with all the good equipment (that's already there). This would also be more cost effective (in-the-long-run)..
like the privy xD
Totally agreed. We certainly need to make a research station on moon, but most of all we need to make manufacturing facilities on moon. We have no idea what mineral wealth lies there, and if we can make a factory that makes Falcons or BFR's on the moon, they will be easier to get in orbit and with much more mass.
"We
shall go back to the moon ! Not because it's easy but because it's HARD".
I love Vintage space!!
Same, hence the collaboration. :-)
I have a copy of the technical Mars Project book (not the sci-fi book) around here someplace. It was pretty cool looking at it as a kid.
“A fully loaded Saturn 5 Rocket”
Shows picture of Saturn 1B
Edit: apparently it’s a Saturn 5 with Skylab
Thats not a saturn 1 its a Saturn v with skylab
Its a saturn V with skylab
Very Nice! Thanks for the playlist!
Thanks, I'm going to try creating a custom playlist for every video from here on out. See if people find them useful.
They feel like if you had made a mix-tape for us. That's cool. ^_^
Great visuals!
I love those old paintings of Mars missions.
Very fascinating about Werner Von Braun ! Can you elaborate (in the future) about him and his project(s)? Thank you and great work!
Thanks, I'm sure you'll hear from him again.
Teodor Foca the man totally reinvented himself! From nazi to father of our space program!
@@malirabbit6228 I met him as a child. He patted me on the head and ask me if i wanted to be am astronaut when I grew up.
They can’t even get back to the Moon again, what makes anyone think they are going to Mars?
Awesome! A collab between two of my favorite CZcamsrs. :-)
It was fun being a space historian for an episode. I'm sure we'll do another.
Awesome video! Keep it that way!
As keen as I am to see a manned mission to Mars, a sustainable space programme is more important. I think establishing a permanent self-sustaining Moon-base is the way to go. They could pay their way through mining and low-G manufacturing of goods for Earth. They could also provide the raw materials for further space exploration at a much lower cost than lifting from the Earth. Shooting for Mars, without the basic infrastructure in place, will be 'shooting our wad'! A great spectacle to be sure, but ultimately ruinously expensive, and unsustainable!
I generally agree with you. The Moon is closer AND it's a lot more difficult than Mars. Any technologies we develop there will be helpful for a future Mars mission.
There's not going to be any moon bases or mars missions.... we are limited by the chemicals available for rocket propulsion...and then the amount of radiation shielding needed for both missions becomes insurmountable.
Braun's The Mars Project novel was turned into an animated movie by Walt Disney.
The flotilla of space craft looked like large golf tees, these used the parabolic trajectory to Mars to create a gravitational effect thru centrapedal force
Yeah, Disney was fascinated with the idea. :-)
Another book of the same title was more of non-fiction book.
Its 50 years too long. Fraser going to Mars will be cool and important. But its more important to go back to the Moon 1st. Create a moon base and colony.
It would agree. Moon first, it's harder but closer. If we can master the skills, we'll be set for anywhere else in the Solar System.
Fraser,
Sending people to Mars would be exciting an inspirational. On a more practical note, what exploration/science could people do that robots could not? Two advantages might be carrying out complex, multi-stage experiments + bringing samples back to Earth on the return trip. Please do an episode on the pros & cons of humans vs. robots going to Mars.
Aaron NASA says just one person could do in one hour on Mars what all the Rovers on Mars have done combined.
Yes but that comes at a price. It may cost more to send one human to Mars than all the robotic missions combined. Cost/benefit ratio must be part of the formula.
Aaron There's no question that manned missions will cost more money. But the new frontier is out there waiting for us to explore it. I'm sure people a few centuries ago had the same concerns about money as you do when considering wether or not to travel to the new world and explore the great American frontier. And look how that turned out. 😃
Aaron plus Aaron, With SpaceX's new reusable rocket technology the price will go way down for Martian exploration!
They should have sent robots first! Actually, if Europe had done that, maybe they could have avoided wiping out the Aztecs with smallpox.
I appreciate this video was made even though it's very niche and not a lot of people look for this kind of information. I've looked into Von Braun's ambitious plans for space and it's a shame a lot of it never came to reality. You did a great job on this video! Thanks for this :)
It's a shame it didn't come to reality because it was all science fiction.
love your videos !
Thanks a lot!
Hi Fraser,
Though not directly space related, it would be nice to see something on the state of battery technology and where it might be going.
Yeah, that's a tough one. I'll see if there's a space spin I can do on it. I did just do a video on fusion, so that's not a completely outrageous idea. :-)
I seen Amy's vid earlier and when she mentioned you i was like "already subscribed". And then i completely forgot all about it lol. Its only when you started speaking again that i remember what Amy said earlier. I think im probably subscribed to all the best space channels on youtube :)
I'm going to be featuring a bunch of space channels, so I'll bet you haven't seen them all.
YAY! Wish came true! I have been reading Von Braun's book. excellent read if you like heavy amounts of detail.
Are you talking about the appendix or the novel?
I remember there being really nice tables showing all the math involved. I thought it was the novel now I am not so sure. lol
Von Brown was a stone cold NAZI, and should have been sent to Nuremberg for the murder of thousands.
Wernher von Braun was a pragmatic engineer, he would have found a solution to every obstacle and the moon is already ours :P Cool Video.
The drawing at 10:10 shows a ship with a cockpit very similar to the _Discovery_ in _2001: A Space Odyssey_
Well, there are similarities in how we imagine the future of space exploration.
The illustration was made in 1996, and depicts a transition procedure for a journey to Jupiter. It even features nuclear propulsion.
So, yeah, some definite borrowing there.
"On the way to the Jovian system, a nuclear thermal transfer vehicle refuels in a Mars-orbit near Martian moon Phobos, in this artist's rendering. This steady-state system could provide a reliable foundation for the exploration and eventual colonization of the Solar System. This image produced for NASA by Pat Rawlings, (SAIC). Technical concepts for NASA's Exploration Office, Johnson Space Center (JSC)."
Nice vintage video, impressive what Von Braun had planned in the 50s.
But, could you make a video on Tabby's star?. It has dimmed again, as expected (I didn't remember the exact date but it should be mid-end may 2017, as Isaac Arthur said in his video).
Thanks, I think I will queue up a Tabby's star episode.
Could we use the iss as an improvised planetary transfer ship, if we stuck some thrusters on it, and stacked it with food?
ISS's mass is 419 (metric) tons. Ejection burn for a Hohmann transfer from Earth to Mars is something like 4270 m/s. Assuming we used massless SSMEs (specific impulse 452 s), I calculate that you'd need to burn 673 metric tons of fuel to do that. And this assumes that you don't bring any additional fuel to slow down or otherwise maneuver ever again. So... maybe? For comparison, a fully loaded Saturn V moon rocket (most of which got nowhere near orbit) had a mass of 2970 metric tons, so about 5x the mass from my calculations.
It's just not the right machine for the job. We need a new kind of transfer ship.
Von Braun--who had to rely on the astronomers for the best planetary data--wasn't *that* far wrong about the density of the Martian atmosphere; at the time he developed the Mars mission plan (which was pared down to one glider-lander and one orbiter when it was published in English as "The Exploration of Mars"), the density of Mars' atmosphere was thought to be about 10% of Earth's. That was high enough--had it actually been the case--that the explorers could have made do with oxygen masks, rather than full-pressure suits.
fraser quick question. at the time of big bang how did matter not collapse back into a black hole? immediately. surely even for thousands of years after it, the size of the universe would be smaller than the schwarzchilds radius dictated by its mass? Even after inflation and space expanding FTL the mass/energy levels must be high enough to collapse? Thanks
Here's a video we did about this: czcams.com/video/B_hn1OhNKt8/video.html&list=PLbJ42wpShvml6Eg22WjWAR-6QUufHFh2v
The stephen baxter nasa trilogy give a good read about if the Apollo project had continued
Very cool, I haven't read them yet.
Spoiler alert!
Umm in Voyage the Apollo program was cut even shorter
Great pronounciation of Das Marsprojekt, one minor gripe though: The J in "Projekt" is spoken more like the Y in "Voyager". Anyways, great video as always. Greetings from Germany!
Thanks!
The Elon of mars 😉
Love your videos...Got a question...Before Freeman Dyson there was Dandridge Cole whose ideas for creating “Bubbleworld” habitats seem to be far less labor and resource intensive than later proposals. The reason given for ignoring his ideas is the lack of large nickle-iron asteroids for his process. I would think that stony asteroids, even loose amalgamations, would suffice once they had been melted into a single body using focused mirrors, drilled out, and packed with ice. What am I missing here?
I think that Dyson's point was that future civilizations will try to get their hands on all the energy coming from their star. Not to think exactly how they'll do it.
Most likely. I was, I confess, thinking of both men as futurists rather than Dyson in his roll as a theoretical physicist and Nuclear Engineer.. I think that Dandridge Cole's early death has led to his being forgotten and his ideas ignored.
Now we need a threeway colab featuring Scott and Ammy
Your wish is my command.
i got a question for you mr. Fraser i heard one of last trace of intelligence on earth will be our artificial satellite (from youtube) but i can`t imagine whit all the stuf out there(debris) and all the time they adjust the orbit, the satellite survive that long?
Here you go, we did a video on this:
czcams.com/video/EW8W5Dze1IU/video.html
There is a group of people who are giving away The Mars Project
It is apart of his dying wish
It litterally is not a fiction book.
If you do the things in the back of the book you will have an experience.
There is a version of the book that is not a novel.
Question for your QA videos.... How can stars be different sizes since it seems the same amount of hydrogen would be needed to start fusion.
That amount of hydrogen is just a minimum. You can have as much as you like until the stellar winds blowing off the star prevent any new hydrogen falling inward.
I think any mission to mars should utilize a re-usable interplanetary "tug" powered by a solar power and using an ion thruster or VASIMIR thruster for power that could later be fitted with a nuclear reactor ( brought up in safe parts ) for mission beyond mars orbit.
The VASIMIR is a fascinating concept, I can't wait for a working prototype.
In the 1990's, I read an article about NASA wanting to send a Hydrazine powered drone to Mars.
We Choose to go to the Moon ... On September 12, 1962, President Kennedy delivered his speech ...8 Years it Took to get to the Moon & in a way Humanity Had to Slow the Fuck Down ! From the year 1990 till now 2017 We Needed to get the World to Become One . Now We're Ready ! It's amazing how it Took Only 66 Years from 1903 Kitty Hawk till the Moon Landing .
It's pretty heartbreaking for how long it's all taking.
Being able to return to Merth would be very important.
Don't you mean Mirth?
No, I'm pretty sure I meant Merth. Mirth is fine, but you can't live on laughter alone. You also need 6.58*10^21 tons of rock under your feet.
now I have an idea for a fun video Fraser, lets say the universe is cyclic, like you have illustrated in other videos, but, each time the universe is (re)-created it is with variations in the laws of physics, one time with stronger gravity, another time no electrons are created or lets say there is no inflation, I have no clue what is possible of course but if there is some kind of 'balance' or 'accounting' kind of in this, and we, (you) could investigate possibilities and consequences it would be interesting, yes sure, of course there could be universes with unicorns etc but those do not count in my opinion
Hey Fraser. I got a question. If we go to any direction in space and go for billions of years with a speed near that of light, will we eventually get back to where we started?
Maybe? It depends if the Universe is finite or infinite.
I believe that may be the case. A very interesting question!
Near the speed of light? Is there even a number for how many years that would take? Lol.
No.
I was wondering. Let's imagine warp speed is real, how fast would it theoretically be? How long would it take to reach Alpha Centauri for example?
+martinikene in theory it could be instantaneous
Sea Dragon could have lifted Von Braun's Mars project in only 73 launches and Rombus and Nexus both would need only 89 launches
The Sea Dragon is such an awesome idea. It's too much rocket. :-)
Von Braun's gliders would have worked in the thin Mars atmosphere but would have needed to land at high velocity (it's all about lift). With no runway on Mars it would have been very risky but not impossible.
I wonder if there's a natural salt flat or something that's smooth enough to act as a runway.
Wouldn't the most butural place on earth surface either be the antarctica or the mariana deep? In those sort of conditions actually similar apart from the air and gravity?
Right, except Antarctica is MUCH warmer than Mars, and has air that gives pressure that you can breathe.
If Mars was the same as the Earth, not in size but with breathable air, running water, fauna and flora, we woul'd skipped the moon entirely on the 60's.
Maximum possible straight line distance to Luna: 407,000 km.
Minimum possible straight line distance to Mars: 54,600,000 km.
I don't think skipping the Moon was _ever_ in the cards; it's just too close -- & too interesting -- to ignore.
You're probably right.
Nice Fraser!
Amy is too damn cute!
Amy is the biggest space exploration nerd I know.
Have you seen unacknowledged? If so what is your opinions on it? 😄
Did you see this?
czcams.com/video/iwGJ44ywvpo/video.html
Fraser: why does everything we send back to Earth have to come in so hot/fast? Could things just match relative variables of Earth or just slowdown sooner?
Anything orbiting the Earth is going 28,000 km/h. In order to not come in fast, you'd need match the speed of the ground, which would require an enormous amount of energy. It's best to just re-enter the Earth's atmosphere, let it slow us down.
Fraser Cain Thank you for responding, big fan.
I get things in orbit have to come in fast. I was thinking more of things like 2010TK "trojan". Possible to get it to have a soft landing? It sure would be nice to study it here than not at all.
Some in depth history on the Russians goals and how they developed and changed over time. Of course we are familiar with their top achievements in space, but I’d love to know about who there visionaries were and why they thought getting to space was a good idea.
Yeah, it's hard to find out a lot of details about their programs. I'll see what I can do. :-)
Has anyone looked into William Tompkins testimony and video's?
No. What does William Tompkins say?
*> von Braun* was a rocket engineer & not an astronamer. He didn't get his atmosphere data wrong but was using available estimate data at the time for the atmospheric density of Mars for all his Manned Mars trip calculations.
- Airodynamic " *Skip Re-Entry* " was the only known way to slow down & keep space ships from burning up in the Martian atmosphere. Hense the large wings design. (Like skipping a flat spining stone across the surface of a pond untill it slows & stops skipping & sinks to the bottom).
- Airodynamic " *Ballistic* " breaking didn't come into play untill thermonuclear *ICBM* rocket war heads came into the picture some years later. And was then used on Mercury, Gemini, Apollo & the Space Shuttle.
- He could only use what was known in *1950. Not what was known in 1960's future & beyond.*
how much would this have all cost?
7 billion in 1970s dollars over 10-20 years. Nasa had a peak budget of about 5 billion dollars for one year in 1967.
Very interesting video. Lots of fascinating detail. Thanks. But as a German, von Braun's name should be pronounced as the English spelling "Brown" (not "brawn" like the hair dryer manufacturer!). Otherwise good. I look forward to the next episode.
Von Brown was a stone cold NAZI, and should have been sent to Nuremberg for the murder of thousands.
I still feel like a Mars mission is premature. We should be focusing on a permanent moon colony/staging point. I worry that we are setting ourselves up for failure by overextending here. If a Mars mission were to fail, that would be it. It would be nigh impossible to get another one going. That said, what would a moon station need to be a successful staging point for interplanetary exploration do you think?
I agree with you. I think we should return to the Moon first.
I completely agree!
As long as we didn’t land on the moon before going to Mars. You would need unnecessary extra fuel just to leave the Moon’s gravity.
Hey Fraser . Alot of scientists are proposing that the universe might be infinite in size , i think that its incorrects because how can a universe that had a begining ( the big bang or the thing that caused it ) be infinite ? the universe is just extremly large its imposibble to be infinite , if it was then it has to be infinitely old , which we know that its not the case .
We did a video on this topic: czcams.com/video/Al9EyNoCsRI/video.html
You have a awesome last name! Space nerds run in the family name!
Thanks!
Werhner Von Braun and Elon Musk are both can do visionaries. A rare beast indeed. Wish we had more like them and less corporate clones.
We've got Bezos too with Blue Origins. It's a good time to have lots of launch options.
you really want more von Brauns on earth?
Hello. This is Boh from Bohinventing. The father of deep spaceflight. It's only "even possible" with my new invention (#corehyperdrive see change.org) petition. I welcome your support, vote. You just wait until we become a "galactic culture" from it... -Boh
Von Braun's vision was updated and later documented in a Disney film about a manned mission to Mars.
czcams.com/video/dk7lf2D848I/video.html
The planned mission starts at around the 40:00 mark in the film. The gliders are replaced with rocket powered vertical landers which operate the same as NASA's Lunar Excursion Modules. You should try to include that in future CZcams's.
Thank you, I haven't had the time, or have forgotten, to look for that for a while.
You can name the cemetery on mars after him
trippin, very interesting but very complex .... and expenses would be astounding ✊️ 😑 he was very intelligent and accomplished much apart from this mars mission 😊 respect
Be it ever so humble, there's no place like Mirth...
Home sweet home.
I wonder where human space exploration would be if there hadn't been a cold war and Europe, the USSR, perhaps China and India, and the USA had teamed up from the beginning.
I think: Either we hadn't even set foot on the moon by now, or we already had been to Mars.
We wouldn't have a single satellite... well, maybe a GPS system and some GEO stuff. No manned flights, though.
Easy, the SSP. 😉
you missed the most important part! .....Werhner Von Braun predicted the title for the leader of Mars community is.......wait for it........ is ......"Elon". if you don't beleive me ,google it.
If we kept developing the Apollo capsules and rockets like Russia kept developing the Soyuz capsules, and we never had the Space Shuttle, what do you think a "modern" Apollo capsule would have looked like today?
question frazer.... what's your thoughts on china getting to mars first? maybe teamed with Russia. how advanced is china's space programme?
China is less advanced that the US, but they're single-mindedly moving forward. I wouldn't be surprised to see them set foot on the Moon next.
Funny how the lack of knowledge about the nature of the Mars atmosphere would have rendered Werner's grand mission useless. I am glad we have robotic pathfinders!
One idea I came up with as a kid was use the space shuttle but attach 2 rockets to it and use the moon lander but have that tucked away in the cargo bay OR land the shuttle like a sled using skis. Unfortunately NASA scrapped the Shuttle program!!
How far from Earth would one have to be in...say... a space shuttle, to be able to come to a complete stop from orbiting and not be pushed towards the planet? And how about the Sun? how far out the solar system would one have to be? just curious :)
You are always feeling the gravity from something, if you go far enough from Earth then the influence from the Sun will dominate, go far enough from the sun and some other star will dominate. For more, google Hill Sphere.
Look up Lagrange points. They are locations in space where the combined gravitational forces of two large bodies, such as Earth and the Sun or Earth and the Moon, equal the centrifugal force felt by a much smaller third body
You need to essentially escape the pull of the Sun. So, you need to be going about 16.5 km/s.
Isn't one of the characters in the book named Elon??
Hmm... what if you were to jump into a black hole while it was colliding with another black hole?
Then you'd get added to the merged mass.
Just make sure there's a Caribou coffee shop... and maybe a Panera bread... and a golf range. Sorry lame jokes. I would like to check out Mar's canyon though. If its as interesting as the movie "Red Planet" showed it, it would be pretty freakin cool.
Countdown to the first Starbucks on Mars.
Hotel and Casino to fund the colony. Vegas II.
".. because it was terrible" that made me laugh
What do you think about physics? Do you think we are right track or do you think humans 1000 years from now will just think at least we tried while they put the physic book next to the alchemy book?
The scientific method is the only way of learning about the Universe that actually works. I'm sure future civilizations will laugh at our level of knowledge, but they'll respect our use of the scientific method.
Any plan for the future, like any other battle plan, will not survive first contact with the enemy; in this case, the future. And...ya gotta start somewhere!
Wasn't The Mars Project centered around a character named Elon?
The "Elon" was the elected leader of the future mars colony
I believe if we had the money we could be in andromeda by now
Well, if you could move at the speed of light, it would still take you a few million years to get to Andromeda, which is longer than human beings have existed for
Apollo 20 was canceled in 1/1970, before even Apollo 13 had left, due to budget constraints. The Vietnam war ended 4/30/1975. We put our energy and resources into the wrong things.
Imagine what we could have achieved by now if we had invested the money from Vietnam, 2 Iraq Wars and the ongoing war in Afghanistan-now on year 19!
Add to that the additional loss of focus and resources into the daft Shuttle Program. Its 2020 now and the US doesn’t even have the capability to send manned missions to the space station.
Hec, the current administration can’t even run a competent public health strategy to contain a virus outbreak. So forget no Saturn V rockets. We can’t muster paper fabric masks.
We have fallen so far behind since the tremendous momentum started by the Apollo program. Its utterly, utterly tragic.
Frankly, I'm terribly disappointed in the solar system for not turning out to be more like what Von Braun and Robert Heinlein expected it to be like in the 50's. That said, I'd love more on Von Braun's original 1950's moon expedition plans.
Well, von Braun's Mars Project didn't only have the _ambition_ of a Kerbal Space Program mission, it would also have had about the same outcome: spectacular failure.
Yeah, I wonder what he would have come up with if he knew more about the science.
Von Braun knew that the atmosphere on Mars was much thinner than the Earth's. Not AS thin as it turned out to be, but he did know that it was thinner than Earth's atmosphere. (I knew that as a 3 year old in 1951/was a common fact.. Guess, however, you might only be talking about what Von Braun knew in the 1940's.
I prefer we set up first a Aldrin Cycler to moon (which has very low launch costs for many but not all materials to space) then Mars building railways instead of these one shots get there and quit ideas that we have today. As someone who saw all the Apollo and Skylab missions launch, I know all too well how public enthusiasm is fickle. The government needs to have an unalterable committed decade long plans and budget rather than the year to year federal budgets that accomplish nothing at best and are wasteful at worse.
1:29 Whaat?? @DJSnM
Why don't we send robot missions to Mars first in order to set up a rocket fuel factory? We could do that on the moon too, right?
That's actually the plan, to send return spacecraft to Mars and have them manufacture fuel on the surface. Once astronauts get there, they'll have a fully fueled spacecraft ready to take them home.
I would love to see a fiction movie set in the 1980s wherein humanity puts von brauns plan into action.
She never mentioned a lunar base or the human flyby of Venus
(great video, though)
Nope, the collaboration didn't quite go as planned.
Dig a hole! But seriously, Mr. Cain, the likelihood of a subterranean ecosystem on Mars isn't farfetched right? I mean, if we were to find suitable, say, lava tubes or just cavernous regions left behind by ancient flowing water, as is ever prevalent on Earth, wouldn't that mean sustained habitability on Mars? Deeper into the planet would mean warmer temp, more humidity, shielded by UV rays, the whole shebangabang.
Absolutely. In fact, there are amazing lava tubes already on Mars that we could pressurize and just move into.
skip to 2:00 to actually get started and also skip from 6:44 to 7:05 to skip the patreon crap.
Return to Marth
We've got to go back to Marth.
If it wasnt for nixon, we'd of gone to mars.
Disappointment
I see all this and think WHAT THE F__K!
So much disappointment.
Well how else would those weapons manufacturers have made all their money if the USA had been doing inspirational stuff? I mean who has killed more foreigners in their own countries than the US? It’s big business.
Hi
Hello!
KERBALS!!!!
for the win.
Why did he have Psalms 19 engraved on his tombstone.
See 2001 Movie and you have an idea of what we could do if Nixon hadn't cut the programs.
Fraser who killed the Apollo funding?
imagine the first person to eat a Martian salad
Mmm, tasty.
I say propulsion is the major issue 25,000 mph/40,000kph is ridiculously to slow. Instead of colonizing or going somewhere, why don't we make our goal to have the 1,000,000 mph/1,600,000 space craft, acceleration and deceleration. Then we would not have to worry about so many time duration issues.
I wander what acceleration would be required to reach that speed without the at forces affecting the astronauts. The other thing you would accelerate to 1,000,000 miles/hour until you’re halfway there and then need to decelerate the other half of the trip to Mars. You would need to go faster to average 1,000,000 miles/hour
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I want to marry amy...for her brains and her beauty...i love vintage...incidentally thats how i found this channell