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I have just bought myself, at age 83, my first drill ever (a Ryobi 18V Compact) and I have to learn everything. Now I know what a difference battery size can make. Thank you, Charlie.
As a single mum with a new born during a pandemic it's so hard trying to fix things. I saw two different cordless drills I wasn't sure which one to get. I had no idea what impact driver was. Thank you...!
A “HOME-RUN” for me when you showed the difference between the 1 and 4 AH batteries. Great video, your time spent preparing the video is well appreciated.
@@festivalmama "..But it’s so much faster not to have to drill the hole then go back and put the screw in! " Causes one to wonder how practical is it to drill pilot holes in metal sheets when trying to fasten them on the roof. 1 REPLY
I did some work on a floor where the person who had fixed it before did a right bodge. I piloted all the holes, all measured up nicely, nobody will ever see it but I did it all perfectly. To be fair I wasn’t been paid so time and money wasn’t an issue so I spent time on doing it nicely. Pilot holes are tour friend! Having said that I’ve just bought a Bosch impact driver just to have 🤷♂️👍
I honestly thought the difference in the 1.5 AH and the 4.0 AH was battery life. I had no idea it actually effected the performer of the drill power wise. That’s crazy.
An explanation that I heard before was thinking about lanes on a highway. Would more traffic be able to travel a 2-lane highway or a 4-lane highway? It's the same with the amps on electric devices, or in this case AH of batteries.
Well glad I watched this… whodve thought! I own both ryobi tools and have to say awesome. My only criticism is if anything the impact driver is too powerful and tends to tear into things or rip screw heads off. Now going to use it with one of my smaller batteries to tone its power down a bit plus it’ll b lighter to carry as well. ❤
I had no idea that the actual power force behind these batteries is the biggest difference. I always thought it was how much time you had with these batteries, such as, bigger battery equals longer drill time. Thanks for demonstrating this for us.
I love my impact driver, made screwing lag bolts in to wood so much easier. Just so handy. I did have a few accidents, over driving smaller screws in the beginning, getting use to the power.
Used both types a lot during my 3 years helping build large sets for the school theatre program, nobody would willingly use a drill driver over an impact driver as the feeling of trying to do a lot of work using the drill was miserable. Awesome video!
This is probably one of the most insightful and informative videos I’ve seen. Initially viewed this video to learn about impact drivers but also learned about the importance of power. Well done!
Thanks so much for that, Corey. You might check out this one when you've got a moment. It goes into a bit more detail on the difference between impacts, drill drivers and combis czcams.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/video.html
I didn't think I would actually learn anything or find your video interesting, but you taught me several new things! I came into ownership of a drill and a driver and genuinely always regarded them as the same thing, with one just being noisier than the other and having the inconvenience of only accepting hex head bits! I never realised just how different they actually were until now. The battery strength demonstration was quite eye opening too. I only have 4 mAh batteries so I've never come across the power issue you demonstrated but it is great to know. I have no Ryobi tools, but knowing the fact they never change their battery fitment is interesting and will genuinely influence any further power tool purchases I make. Thank you.
Like many others here, I didn't fully realise that the "ah" wasn't just about how much juice is in the tank, but the power of the juice also... Thank you!! 😀😀👍👍
You multiply volts by amps to get watts which is the actual work that can be done if all the capacity is mobilised. 18v x 1.3 amps = 23.5 watts of work. 18v x 4 amps is 72 watts of work. They will spin at the same speed, but one will need almost 4 times the effort to stop!
@@bloodybritbastard To be precise, watts measure power, not work - work is measured in joules. Watthours, on the other hands, are defining work, as work equals power multiplied by time
It's not. Amps is the measure of electrons per time, so Amp-Hours is the measure of electrons in total (total storage). While a Ryobi 5Ah battery may be able to deliver more current than a Ryobi 2Ah battery (I don't think this is true), the "Ah" isn't what gives that. So more amps (not Amp Hours!) means more electrons per second. Typically batteries can supply a LOT of amps, so it's not the bottleneck. The other number is Watts, which is the volts * amps, which is a measure of power.
Thank you much for educating us on the different use of drill and impact drivers, the bonus is for knowing the importance of battery power in the performance of the drill.
Thank you! Great training for me. I bought a set of four DeWalt tools, which includes a Drill Driver and an Impact Driver. Knowing nothing about impact drivers, I haven't used it yet. Now I will use it often. Thanks again!
Thanks mate. You might have a quick look at this for a more comprehensive run through of the difference between drills, drivers and impacts 👍 czcams.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/video.html
Thanks for this info!!! I always thought the difference in batteries was only concerning how long they lasted. This clearly shows the difference in actual power which is very good to know!!!
Thanks for showing this. Started DIY on lockdown without a clue what I was doing. Finally getting around to mounting floating shelves. Also, you should think about instructing others as a job; most people have no clue how to explain the difference
That's because he didn't show how much more force he had to use with the drill. He would have been using both hands and putting most of his body weight to drive the screw like that with the drill. The impact he could have done with one hand while holding the wood with the other
Getting more and more clever and educated by every video. This was helpful, just bought a drill driver and know the difference now. I wondered about the other and what it was for.
Great job explaining the difference between the two! I work for a Home Depot, I get to asked that question all the time what the difference is between the two power tools. Alot my pro customers prefer impact drivers over tradional drivers.For tight spaces and also the quickness of the job being done. I'm glad you like Ryobi tools. All you pros out there, just remember that the Ridgid power tools( another Home Depot exclusive tool.) have the lifetime guarantee with the power tool and the battery just as long as you register it.
Is it true Rigid will only replace the tool once during its lifetime? Once you get a full replacement that tool's warranty is done. I've read online this is the case.
Finally, a proper video with good description and explanatory advice and guidance on what is what and how works with what. Thank you very much for this video as it is the best I've seen so far, very well explained and good choice of experiments to show what it does in different scenarios. I hope the rest of CZcams video up-loaders take example on your style and approach to deliver quality videos and explanation. Thank you again Charlie !!!
I’m a proud new owner of an impact driver. It’s a game changer in my opinion. I got one this weekend and put to a working test. I had no idea how amazing that tool is, but now I do. Wow. What a difference! Thanks for the battery comparison. That will certainly help me to choose the right battery, right tool for the job.
Thank you! I bought the Ryobi tool set, Drill Driver, Impact Driver, Recirpocating saw, Circular saw. I tried drilling screws into wood on a bridge with the drill driver with the 4 ah battery. It was a challenge to say the least. I didnt finish the job yet. Your video explained issues. I will attempt agian with the Impact driver and 4 ah battery. Your a life saver!
my dad and i have this discussion all the time. We work together, and he always goes for the drill, for pretty much any situation. When he uses the impact driver, he always strips screw heads, or over-sinks screws, etc ...he just can not seem to grasp the trigger technique required ... he just squeezes the hell out of it, and can not seem to stop. Drives me crazy, lol. I personally only use drills when i have to (for actual drilling of holes), and have been in love with my impact driver ever since i first tried it.
Well explained! I upgraded to a Bosch 4AH drill, driver, and reciprocating saw last year and was amazed at the difference in power and how long between charging batteries!
I used to think an impact driver was only for roof screws and a drill driver was for everything else. But since I got an impact driver in a multi tool kit in 2012 I've found that there are lots of bits available in hex shank and that an impact driver is super capable even when drilling wood or metal as long as I have a suitable bit. Nowadays I rarely use my drill at work. So much so that my old cordless drill is hard to find in my van because it's been in disuse for so long that it has vanished.
Thank you! I have both of these tools - got the impact driver well after having had the drill driver. It didn’t work that much better for driving in screws, but now I see the battery is really the problem! I’m enjoying the DIY journey...
Ah, good to hear from you. Yes, the battery is key. The 3Ah would probably do the job, but the 5Ah is only £3 more, so although you're lugging around extra weight, it's a worthwhile investment www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-batteries-c102x3253977 In only use the 4 and 5Ah on my Ryobi tools now. I've got a heap of 1.3Ah I got with the various starter kits, and they just sit in a pile unused in my basement!
Man. This video helped me a lot. I’m starting this new job and I didn’t even know an impact driver was a thing. Great video man I love the energy. Everything’s smooth keep it up!
im surprised by the difference of a bigger battery i may need to look into getting a huge battery for my drill and impact drivers. currently both are running on 1.6ah thanks for the video. very informative.
The trick with Ryobi and other brands of cordless tools is to take advantage of the sales and package deals they offer several times a year, usually coinciding with major holiday periods. The drill and impact drivers are often sold as a set including batteries and a charger, with the price of the set being the normal price of one tool; sometimes you can get a four or five piece set of drill, driver, reciprocating saw, skil-type saw and batteries for substantially less than buying them one at a time. Expensive 4 amp hour batteries are often sold at a two-for-one price during these special sales. There is a real advantage in choosing a brand of tool that shares common batteries among the various tools - choose carefully, it is unlikely that you will change brands later.
And even better is Ryobi hasn't changed batteries since 1996. I think I have a dozen or so batteries now just buying those "special buys". I'll take the better battery, add one of my older or weaker batteries and sell it for half
This is precisely why I will nevet buy another Makita again. After purchasing the drill a few years ago I needed a hammer drill which coincidentally didnt include the new battery for that years line of products. I could no longer ignore that Milwaukee sale for a combination hammer drill/drill driver that came with an impact driver, 2 batteries, and a charging station. All of that combined was still 40% less than the Makita hammer drill, new battery, and necessary charging station for said battery.
Well appreciate your sharing your thoughts, experience and knowledge with us. I’m 75 years old have used manual crank drills, electric drills eventually battery powered drills. Today I purchased myself a 18V Impact Drill not that I needed one but learn how to use one. Gain experience and hopefully knowledge that goes along with hands on experience . Your explanation was just what I needed.
Finally I know the difference! I have both those tools, and redid a milk house in Iowa. The impact is the way to go, even going through very old concrete! Thank you!
Thank you very much for the info. Your video is the most informative I have been searching for on this subject. You have clarified an unknown subject to me.
I knew the difference between drill drivers and impact drivers but the difference between batteries was VERY informative. I rarely drive fasteners that are an issue but I have used a battery powered impact wrench and been disappointed in its power compared to a pneumatic impact wrench. I am going to try my Ryobi 1/2in impact driver with a larger battery. Great video! Thanks.
I have several of each, and most of the time I prefer the drills for screwing into light wood or laminate because you've got more control. For tightening bolts through metal however (especially through a nut), having the vibration is key. For hard or very deep wood, a tiny pilot hole followed by a drill is going to make the cleanest result, but a strong impact can save you time and like the guy said, be easier to do.
Can you help me? I want to put this solar light on my house it has metal siding ... will a regular drill work? That’s what I have.. or do I have to get a impact driver? And if so how do I know which drill bit to use to drill thru metal siding ?
Thanks, that was helpful! Sounds like an impact driver is really worth the investment. I’m building a rock climbing wall, which requires hundreds of screws to keep the plywood in place. I’m getting an impact driver now to make the rest of my day a lot easier!
can confirm, impact drivers are the way to go for climbing walls. Talk to any route setter at any climbing gym about what they use and i'm sure just about every one of them uses an impact driver. Also the use of an impact driver will help to prevent over tightening of the screws so you won't crack the holds on the wall if you drill them in too much
Great vid. I've been using an old Bosch cordless for everything for years. Just bought a Dewalt kit with both drill and impact drivers. This video provided some great info
I use an old trick, I keep a bar of soap in my tool box. Just one quick rub of the screw, across the soap, enables me to drive any length screw with my drill-driver. However, I only use 'Robertson' screws (square head), because there's much less likely to slip than other types of screws.
I'm with you on the screws. I was taking off the siding on a hot tub a while back and they used flathead and Phillips. Both of those need to die. How many times have you stripped a Phillips or destroyed the tip of the bit? And has anyone successfully unscrewed a flathead without the bit sliding out? I use torx screw but only because the store I get my stuff from has them cheaper. Torx and square are the way to go.
The problem with 1.3 Ah batts is it’s just 5 cells in series. They still use excellent 10-15C cells so they can still deliver 20 amps for very short periods of time. Compare that to a 4Ah cell which would use the same cells but 15 cells so three in parallel will deliver 3x as much current. So 60amps peak and probably 20 amps continuous. Ryobi uses high quality cells in all their batteries. I know - I’ve pulled one of the small ones apart and from memory theu were Sansung high current cells.
MondoTV Thanks for that - makes a lot of sense and is one of the most constructive, intelligent comments I've had and a breath of fresh air compared to the usual "Ryobi are sh1t - stop buying toy tools and get yourself a Milwaukee" or similar, from people who think they know what they're talking about but actually don't have a clue.
Ok - never pulled one of the big ones apart but makes sense - same principle though - the higher capacity batts in parallel will have a much higher continuous discharge rate.
Given 10C cells, those 4AH batteries probably do 40A pretty comfortable. Probably deliver as much continuous as those crappy 1.3AH can in pulse. Its no wonder they totally crush them.
you can also buy very powerfull 25A or even 30A 18650 cells (LG H2 ? or so) and swap them.. would deliver.. 200A .. which is a bit crazy ;) .. anyone tried yet ?!
Very helpful info about the different batteries! I also use Ryobi, and I have the 1.3Ah batteries. The jobs I do are so small and lightweight, they work well enough for me. But now I know that if I plan on any bigger jobs to get the better batteries. Thanks!
Wonderful explanation, of drills and battery. So much confusion and marketing in selling products and not enough real world knowledge of how tools will perform, thank you.
Thanks for that! I'll be posting another video in a week or two explaining the difference between drill drivers, combi drivers and impact drivers so keep an eye out for that!
I own the same Ryobi drill/driver and, fortunately, my neighbor moved and left a few tools behind, so I now own a perfectly good DeWalt impact driver. Now I know the differences. lol (I didn't even know it was an impact driver.) Thank you so much for the video! Subscribed!
I’m a recent subscriber. Thanks for a great channel. I have the same two Ryobi tools (plus a circular saw and two small batteries - all bought at a kit in a bag) and I use all of them a lot, but have been humming and hawing about a bigger battery - expensive at £75. You’ve convinced me it’s worth the cost. Thank you for a very good and instructional video. Les
Good video. Answers some good questions. Maybe in another video sometime, something on Phillips bits with Phillips screws versus some of the other bit-and-screw variations that are available e.g. Pozidriv, so that so much downforce on the tool is not needed to prevent "cam out" of the bit. (Phillips was designed for the bit to cam out before stripping out the sheet metal, or breaking off the screw head in thick metal, in installing a part in auto assembly plant operations.) Also, I often drill pilot holes so that I don't break off screws trying to get them to go all of the way, or so that I don't experience cam out of the Phillips bit before getting them to go all of the way, For me, this saves time in the long run and I have no information that the holding ability of the driven screw is diminished.
Just as an addition Charlie, Your right the impact has a lot of Torque. So much so that I have sheared off a number of screws when going into HARD wood. ( I was surprised at how it went into the Oak). So it pays to pre drill in some circumstances.
Peter Compton Yes mate, I'd ALWAYS drill a pilot hole first when screwing into Oak. I didn't in this video because I was trying to make the test as demanding/ extreme as possible. The surprise for me was how well the drill driver did, but even so, I'd always use my impact driver for jobs like this.
Oak isn't even that hard. I've been working with azobe and padouk (don't know how it translates). You have to pre drill 95% of the hole when working with inox screws :D
Your information on battery size has proved invaluable to me and I am so grateful. What a huge difference this has made to my DIY work so thanks again.
I was a faithful user of another brand for years. When I chose to add another tool, they had changed the battery connector. I returned that product to the store. I went to a different store and purchased my first Ryobi. That was nearly 20 years ago. I've added a number of other tools since that first and only one has actually worn out. A few years ago, I added an impact driver. Not only is is faster, but I find that I can drive more screws per battery charge than I could with the drill/driver.
Great demo. One correction: the higher amp hour rating doesn’t make the battery anymore powerful, it simply means it will last longer than a battery with a lower amp hour rating under similar load/current draw. A 5 Ah battery has enough charge to output 5 amps of current for 1 hour before going dead. For more power (in the technical sense of the word), you’d need a higher voltage battery. A 24V drill will be more powerful than a 12V drill. Putting a longer lasting high amp hour 12V battery on a 12V drill will not make it more powerful than the 24V drill. Fully charged, similarly aged batteries of similar voltage are important for a good comparison though to ensure they both have the same “potential” (voltage) and can output the same power under similar current draw demands.
I'm just starting to build my power tool collection and I have the Dewalt set of drill/driver and impact driver. I had no appreciation for the differences between the two. This video was excellent at explaining the differences between the two drivers PLUS the impact (no pun intended) of using different size batteries. THANK YOU so much for the easy to understand lesson & demo!!
Charlie, thank you for explaining the differences between the drill driver and the impact driver. I'm relatively new to DIY and it's the best video I've seen on the subject. The explanation and the demonstration together "drives" the point home for me! Thanks again Charlie and I have subscribed.
That’s crazy! I always thought that amperage influenced the amount of time that a device could be used, not the power that was delivered to the device during the time that it was used.
Love the impact driver. The power is there when you need it. Of course there are times when you shouldn't use it, example ; fitting hand wash basins, pans etc. I suppose it's common sense really and watch out for vibration white finger, this is something I was sceptical about until I did some homework, scary stuff.
I have the exact same tools, both size batts. Great video. Was hoping to learn more about the different settings on each (specially the dials), and their applications. I built 18’ x 8’ garage shelves yesterday (first time & no assistance!). Tried driver drill but didn’t really know what I was doing, so stayed with my regular familiar drills. However my hands are killing me today! Broke drill bits making pilot holes, chewed up star bits. Torx bits & screws saved me in the end! I’ll reattempt next week to build second shelves on other side of garage. Any good videos out there re THE DIFFERENT DRILL SETTINGS ON DRIVER AND REGULAR DRILLS please? Thanks! 🤓👍🏼
Enlightened is the only word I can use to describe it. Always assumed Ah was capacity only. In the market for a new drill and option for 4Ah at the minimum. Great video and demonstration. Keep up the good work!
Have been using cordless tools for over 30 years in construction and I learned something regarding the batteries performance in what different ah ratings make to the tools capability.
You are so correct about the drill driver and the impact drivers and I decided to purchase a popular brand recently and looked at the battery sizes and the available upgrades available for the tool. After that I purchased the impact driver, but from another company which also have heavy duty batteries for their tool. About 8 years ago I purchased a Craftsman drill driver and it worked just fine, but when I had problems with the batteries which came with them and wanted to buy new ones I found that the new batteries would not charge on the charger which I had even though they fitted my drill. I decided not to buy another one of their products after that incident.
If you bought your Craftsman drill 8 years ago or more then it may suggest that it was using a different type of battery like NiCd (nickel-cadmium) today most common type of batteries are Li-ion which require different charging method. old cordless drills can use lion batteries if the voltage is in the acceptable rage so if that's the case with your craftsman drill then there is nothing to blame the manufacturer for, as they may offer new batteries of older drills but then technically they can not make them compatible with older chargers. if you are able to get the model number of your old drill we could solve that riddle.
If you have ever tried to drill a hole in masonry brick, you will love an impact driver: worth their weight in masonry bits you burn up trying to drill with a standard drill.
very interesting demo on how the difference of battery capacity could affect the performance of the tools! it clears a long existing questions for me on batteries capacity. Thanks for the video!
Yes, the shall batteries are great for every day jobs to keep the tool light but for power intensive work you really need a 4 or 5Ah battery in your collection. 👍🏻
Great info, thank you. I just picked up a drill & impact driver set but I didn't know the purpose of the impact. Also had deal for a free wrench driver with the purchase so I think it was a good deal. I didn't think about the batteries in this way and the ones that come with set 2Ah batteries but I bought a 4Ah as well.
G’day that was brilliant I’ve just started buying cordless have gone with ozito brand popular entry level here in Australia I knew the difference between impact driver and the drill but knew nothing about batteries love your style and presentation thank you
I wonder if you already knew this and forgot to mention it, to me it’s one of the main differences.The ‘hammer action’ on a drill driver is applied in the direction the drill is drilling - so driving it harder into the material. In the compactor the ‘hammer action’ is applied in the direction the drill is spinning, - so helping the turning force. No matter, I always enjoy your videos Charlie, always very informative and I've picked up more than a few tips
First, i love your British accent. I am a tiny woman who loves DIY. This morning i was trying to drill a hole in a tree stump that i want to remove. My silly low powered drill driver couldn't even scratch the surface. Then i when i went shopping i found all these drills that i had no idea what they all did. Thank you for helping me out. I wish you lived closer. I would knock on your door all the time.
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Milwaukee best impact followed by dewalt, ridged, makita and Bosch. I laugh at ryobi but it's better than black and decker.
One goes weeeerrrrr the other goer berrrrrrr.
You’re welcome
Thats all I needed to know, thanks.
the one thats goes berrrrt lets me pretend im in an A10 firing away
HAHAHAHA!! very good!!!!! :D
you're a genius! and funny too. Thanks.
Superb thought...😀😀😀
Drill: Go in there please
Driver: I wasn't asking
Low-key funny af
Actually loled at that
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So funny !!
I have just bought myself, at age 83, my first drill ever (a Ryobi 18V Compact) and I have to learn everything. Now I know what a difference battery size can make. Thank you, Charlie.
As a single mum with a new born during a pandemic it's so hard trying to fix things. I saw two different cordless drills I wasn't sure which one to get. I had no idea what impact driver was. Thank you...!
Gosh, hope you're doing ok. This video might help you also bit.ly/3sxpfw5 Take care 👍🏻
I know this was 2 years ago but KUDOS to you for DIY your life. I love my Ryobi tools!
A “HOME-RUN” for me when you showed the difference between the 1 and 4 AH batteries. Great video, your time spent preparing the video is well appreciated.
It was in point of FACT, a very one-sided, STUPID video.
Pilot holes are our friends. Makes life both easier for drilling but also prevents broken bits/screws and split wood.
Especially with Phillips screws
But it’s so much faster not to have to drill the hole then go back and put the screw in!
@@festivalmama "..But it’s so much faster not to have to drill the hole then go back and put the screw in!
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Causes one to wonder how practical is it to drill pilot holes in metal sheets when trying to fasten them on the roof.
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I did some work on a floor where the person who had fixed it before did a right bodge. I piloted all the holes, all measured up nicely, nobody will ever see it but I did it all perfectly. To be fair I wasn’t been paid so time and money wasn’t an issue so I spent time on doing it nicely. Pilot holes are tour friend! Having said that I’ve just bought a Bosch impact driver just to have 🤷♂️👍
So have the two drills handy. You avoid the frustration of snapped heads and stuff.
i came here to watch the difference between drill and impact drivers and learnt the difference between 1 Ah and 4 Ah batteries instead :D
I know. Sorry about that. This video sets out the difference more clearly czcams.com/video/sL-t2Zc4wCs/video.html
It wasn’t instead of but as well as!
I honestly thought the difference in the 1.5 AH and the 4.0 AH was battery life. I had no idea it actually effected the performer of the drill power wise. That’s crazy.
An explanation that I heard before was thinking about lanes on a highway. Would more traffic be able to travel a 2-lane highway or a 4-lane highway? It's the same with the amps on electric devices, or in this case AH of batteries.
it doesnt you can adjust the drill driver to output more torque thats what the numbers on the drill are for i never had any problems with my ryobi
Well glad I watched this… whodve thought! I own both ryobi tools and have to say awesome. My only criticism is if anything the impact driver is too powerful and tends to tear into things or rip screw heads off. Now going to use it with one of my smaller batteries to tone its power down a bit plus it’ll b lighter to carry as well. ❤
Good thinking Batman, I've ruined quite a few screw heads with my 5ah @@IsNotAlways
I had no idea that the actual power force behind these batteries is the biggest difference. I always thought it was how much time you had with these batteries, such as, bigger battery equals longer drill time. Thanks for demonstrating this for us.
Did not realize the battery made such a huge difference, thanks
Drill: making holes
Impact: driving screws
This is the best tl;dr explanation.
5:58 man that's a lot of British really fast...
I love my impact driver, made screwing lag bolts in to wood so much easier. Just so handy. I did have a few accidents, over driving smaller screws in the beginning, getting use to the power.
Never realised the size of batteries made so much difference, I always though size equalled how long they would last.
(ah-hem) Size and stamina are definitely two different things...
It does mainly affect that, but it also affects the maximum amount of current that the battery can deliver
I dont think that he explained that the maximum amp of the smaller battery is smaller
same here.
It affects both.
Used both types a lot during my 3 years helping build large sets for the school theatre program, nobody would willingly use a drill driver over an impact driver as the feeling of trying to do a lot of work using the drill was miserable. Awesome video!
Algorithm has been trying to get me to watch this for a few weeks now. Today I'm giving in.
I'm sorry about that. Hope you find it a little bit useful.. 🤔
Thank you CZcams algorithm
Charlie DIYte your profile pic looks like Tom from MySpace lol. Is that intentional?
This is probably one of the most insightful and informative videos I’ve seen. Initially viewed this video to learn about impact drivers but also learned about the importance of power. Well done!
Thanks so much for that, Corey. You might check out this one when you've got a moment. It goes into a bit more detail on the difference between impacts, drill drivers and combis czcams.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/video.html
I didn't think I would actually learn anything or find your video interesting, but you taught me several new things! I came into ownership of a drill and a driver and genuinely always regarded them as the same thing, with one just being noisier than the other and having the inconvenience of only accepting hex head bits! I never realised just how different they actually were until now. The battery strength demonstration was quite eye opening too. I only have 4 mAh batteries so I've never come across the power issue you demonstrated but it is great to know. I have no Ryobi tools, but knowing the fact they never change their battery fitment is interesting and will genuinely influence any further power tool purchases I make. Thank you.
Like many others here, I didn't fully realise that the "ah" wasn't just about how much juice is in the tank, but the power of the juice also... Thank you!! 😀😀👍👍
You multiply volts by amps to get watts which is the actual work that can be done if all the capacity is mobilised. 18v x 1.3 amps = 23.5 watts of work. 18v x 4 amps is 72 watts of work. They will spin at the same speed, but one will need almost 4 times the effort to stop!
@@bloodybritbastard To be precise, watts measure power, not work - work is measured in joules. Watthours, on the other hands, are defining work, as work equals power multiplied by time
It's not. Amps is the measure of electrons per time, so Amp-Hours is the measure of electrons in total (total storage). While a Ryobi 5Ah battery may be able to deliver more current than a Ryobi 2Ah battery (I don't think this is true), the "Ah" isn't what gives that. So more amps (not Amp Hours!) means more electrons per second. Typically batteries can supply a LOT of amps, so it's not the bottleneck. The other number is Watts, which is the volts * amps, which is a measure of power.
Thank you much for educating us on the different use of drill and impact drivers, the bonus is for knowing the importance of battery power in the performance of the drill.
Thank you! Great training for me. I bought a set of four DeWalt tools, which includes a Drill Driver and an Impact Driver. Knowing nothing about impact drivers, I haven't used it yet. Now I will use it often. Thanks again!
Gordon Ramsay of power tools :) Thank really good info on drill drivers!
Thanks mate. You might have a quick look at this for a more comprehensive run through of the difference between drills, drivers and impacts 👍 czcams.com/video/i6KYfrDBj3w/video.html
Thanks for this info!!! I always thought the difference in batteries was only concerning how long they lasted. This clearly shows the difference in actual power which is very good to know!!!
Yep and higher powered batteries are way more expensive. Nearly $200 for a 9.0ah. That's more than most of the tools they sell.
it doesnt you can adjust the drill driver to output more torque thats what the numbers on the drill are for i never had any problems with my ryobi
Thanks for showing this. Started DIY on lockdown without a clue what I was doing. Finally getting around to mounting floating shelves. Also, you should think about instructing others as a job; most people have no clue how to explain the difference
erm he is doing it as a job... who’s video did you just watch?! 😉
Came to learn about diff between the drivers, learnt about batteries instead
😂😂
Me too
That's because he didn't show how much more force he had to use with the drill. He would have been using both hands and putting most of his body weight to drive the screw like that with the drill. The impact he could have done with one hand while holding the wood with the other
I'd have to argue, that's your fault.
Lots of good info!
Getting more and more clever and educated by every video. This was helpful, just bought a drill driver and know the difference now. I wondered about the other and what it was for.
Thanks. Just bought an impact on a great sale, and I wasn’t sure it’s what I needed. Turns out it will be perfect for my needs. Great vid!
Same here, wondering why everybody was using them, so bought first, then worked out what it could do for me.
Finally a video that explains the difference perfectly, with the added bonus of the info on the batteries
I bought myself an impact driver a few years ago, and I've never looked back, fantastic tool that makes repetitive screw driving effortless.
Why not try the impact driver maybe it's a new and better experience
Great job explaining the difference between the two! I work for a Home Depot, I get to asked that question all the time what the difference is between the two power tools. Alot my pro customers prefer impact drivers over tradional drivers.For tight spaces and also the quickness of the job being done. I'm glad you like Ryobi tools. All you pros out there, just remember that the Ridgid power tools( another Home Depot exclusive tool.) have the lifetime guarantee with the power tool and the battery just as long as you register it.
Is it true Rigid will only replace the tool once during its lifetime? Once you get a full replacement that tool's warranty is done. I've read online this is the case.
For anyone wanting an amazing tool I would highly recommend GenScrew's electric screwdriver kit. It is an actual godsend: genscrew.com/kit
Thank you, Charlie! I’ve been wondering the difference between the two.
Me at start of video: hmm why such long video for such small topic.
Me at end: ah, didn't even realize 13+ min passed!
Appreciate you watching it to the end 👍🏻
Perfect video. Answers all the questions I had. Thank you so much!
Finally, a proper video with good description and explanatory advice and guidance on what is what and how works with what. Thank you very much for this video as it is the best I've seen so far, very well explained and good choice of experiments to show what it does in different scenarios.
I hope the rest of CZcams video up-loaders take example on your style and approach to deliver quality videos and explanation.
Thank you again Charlie !!!
You're very welcome, mate. Thanks for taking the time to comment - I really appreciate it! 👍
I’m a proud new owner of an impact driver. It’s a game changer in my opinion. I got one this weekend and put to a working test. I had no idea how amazing that tool is, but now I do. Wow. What a difference! Thanks for the battery comparison. That will certainly help me to choose the right battery, right tool for the job.
Thank you! I bought the Ryobi tool set, Drill Driver, Impact Driver, Recirpocating saw, Circular saw. I tried drilling screws into wood on a bridge with the drill driver with the 4 ah battery. It was a challenge to say the least. I didnt finish the job yet. Your video explained issues. I will attempt agian with the Impact driver and 4 ah battery. Your a life saver!
my dad and i have this discussion all the time. We work together, and he always goes for the drill, for pretty much any situation. When he uses the impact driver, he always strips screw heads, or over-sinks screws, etc ...he just can not seem to grasp the trigger technique required ... he just squeezes the hell out of it, and can not seem to stop. Drives me crazy, lol. I personally only use drills when i have to (for actual drilling of holes), and have been in love with my impact driver ever since i first tried it.
Luv it when the tile of the video is dead on, thank you for making this video.
Well explained! I upgraded to a Bosch 4AH drill, driver, and reciprocating saw last year and was amazed at the difference in power and how long between charging batteries!
It’s been on my list to get another drill (or something) to avoid changing bits constantly. I now know that I need an impact driver. Thank you.
Fantastic video! One of the most useful when deciding what to buy and why battery matters!
I used to think an impact driver was only for roof screws and a drill driver was for everything else. But since I got an impact driver in a multi tool kit in 2012 I've found that there are lots of bits available in hex shank and that an impact driver is super capable even when drilling wood or metal as long as I have a suitable bit. Nowadays I rarely use my drill at work. So much so that my old cordless drill is hard to find in my van because it's been in disuse for so long that it has vanished.
Thank you! I have both of these tools - got the impact driver well after having had the drill driver. It didn’t work that much better for driving in screws, but now I see the battery is really the problem! I’m enjoying the DIY journey...
Ah, good to hear from you. Yes, the battery is key. The 3Ah would probably do the job, but the 5Ah is only £3 more, so although you're lugging around extra weight, it's a worthwhile investment www.direct-powertools.co.uk/ryobi-batteries-c102x3253977 In only use the 4 and 5Ah on my Ryobi tools now. I've got a heap of 1.3Ah I got with the various starter kits, and they just sit in a pile unused in my basement!
Man. This video helped me a lot. I’m starting this new job and I didn’t even know an impact driver was a thing. Great video man I love the energy. Everything’s smooth keep it up!
im surprised by the difference of a bigger battery i may need to look into getting a huge battery for my drill and impact drivers. currently both are running on 1.6ah
thanks for the video. very informative.
The trick with Ryobi and other brands of cordless tools is to take advantage of the sales and package deals they offer several times a year, usually coinciding with major holiday periods. The drill and impact drivers are often sold as a set including batteries and a charger, with the price of the set being the normal price of one tool; sometimes you can get a four or five piece set of drill, driver, reciprocating saw, skil-type saw and batteries for substantially less than buying them one at a time. Expensive 4 amp hour batteries are often sold at a two-for-one price during these special sales. There is a real advantage in choosing a brand of tool that shares common batteries among the various tools - choose carefully, it is unlikely that you will change brands later.
And even better is Ryobi hasn't changed batteries since 1996. I think I have a dozen or so batteries now just buying those "special buys". I'll take the better battery, add one of my older or weaker batteries and sell it for half
DeWalt is for supervisors, ryobi is for children
I feel like that statement makes about half as much sense as you think it does...
@@chrisapplewhite6660 everyone knows supervisors dont do a damn thing
This is precisely why I will nevet buy another Makita again. After purchasing the drill a few years ago I needed a hammer drill which coincidentally didnt include the new battery for that years line of products.
I could no longer ignore that Milwaukee sale for a combination hammer drill/drill driver that came with an impact driver, 2 batteries, and a charging station. All of that combined was still 40% less than the Makita hammer drill, new battery, and necessary charging station for said battery.
Well appreciate your sharing your thoughts, experience and knowledge with us. I’m 75 years old have used manual crank drills, electric drills eventually battery powered drills.
Today I purchased myself a 18V Impact Drill not that I needed one but learn how to use one. Gain experience and hopefully knowledge that goes along with hands on experience . Your explanation was just what I needed.
Finally I know the difference! I have both those tools, and redid a milk house in Iowa. The impact is the way to go, even going through very old concrete! Thank you!
Drills aren't meant for driving screws so this seems obvious.
Thanks! Been thinking about adding an impact driver along with my drill driver but couldn't decide if I "needed" one. Yes... yes I do. :)
Well worth it!
Thank you very much for the info. Your video is the most informative I have been searching for on this subject. You have clarified an unknown subject to me.
Idk why this was recommended but I watched it all... thanks for this informative batteries video
I knew the difference between drill drivers and impact drivers but the difference between batteries was VERY informative. I rarely drive fasteners that are an issue but I have used a battery powered impact wrench and been disappointed in its power compared to a pneumatic impact wrench. I am going to try my Ryobi 1/2in impact driver with a larger battery. Great video! Thanks.
Thanks John. Yes, I'm sure that'll make a difference. 👍
The battery size was most interesting and informative. Steve
I have several of each, and most of the time I prefer the drills for screwing into light wood or laminate because you've got more control. For tightening bolts through metal however (especially through a nut), having the vibration is key. For hard or very deep wood, a tiny pilot hole followed by a drill is going to make the cleanest result, but a strong impact can save you time and like the guy said, be easier to do.
Can you help me? I want to put this solar light on my house it has metal siding ... will a regular drill work? That’s what I have.. or do I have to get a impact driver? And if so how do I know which drill bit to use to drill thru metal siding ?
Why not just use an impact driver for everything
Thanks, that was helpful! Sounds like an impact driver is really worth the investment. I’m building a rock climbing wall, which requires hundreds of screws to keep the plywood in place. I’m getting an impact driver now to make the rest of my day a lot easier!
Yes it will be invaluable for that 👍
can confirm, impact drivers are the way to go for climbing walls. Talk to any route setter at any climbing gym about what they use and i'm sure just about every one of them uses an impact driver. Also the use of an impact driver will help to prevent over tightening of the screws so you won't crack the holds on the wall if you drill them in too much
Great vid. I've been using an old Bosch cordless for everything for years.
Just bought a Dewalt kit with both drill and impact drivers. This video provided some great info
I use an old trick, I keep a bar of soap in my tool box. Just one quick rub of the screw, across the soap, enables me to drive any length screw with my drill-driver. However, I only use 'Robertson' screws (square head), because there's much less likely to slip than other types of screws.
Drills are for drilling and impacts are for driving.
You don't drive many screws obviously.
I'm with you on the screws. I was taking off the siding on a hot tub a while back and they used flathead and Phillips. Both of those need to die. How many times have you stripped a Phillips or destroyed the tip of the bit? And has anyone successfully unscrewed a flathead without the bit sliding out? I use torx screw but only because the store I get my stuff from has them cheaper. Torx and square are the way to go.
The problem with 1.3 Ah batts is it’s just 5 cells in series. They still use excellent 10-15C cells so they can still deliver 20 amps for very short periods of time. Compare that to a 4Ah cell which would use the same cells but 15 cells so three in parallel will deliver 3x as much current. So 60amps peak and probably 20 amps continuous. Ryobi uses high quality cells in all their batteries. I know - I’ve pulled one of the small ones apart and from memory theu were Sansung high current cells.
MondoTV Thanks for that - makes a lot of sense and is one of the most constructive, intelligent comments I've had and a breath of fresh air compared to the usual "Ryobi are sh1t - stop buying toy tools and get yourself a Milwaukee" or similar, from people who think they know what they're talking about but actually don't have a clue.
Ok - never pulled one of the big ones apart but makes sense - same principle though - the higher capacity batts in parallel will have a much higher continuous discharge rate.
Given 10C cells, those 4AH batteries probably do 40A pretty comfortable. Probably deliver as much continuous as those crappy 1.3AH can in pulse. Its no wonder they totally crush them.
exactly
you can also buy very powerfull 25A or even 30A 18650 cells (LG H2 ? or so) and swap them.. would deliver.. 200A .. which is a bit crazy ;) .. anyone tried yet ?!
Thank you so much. Very informative for a relatively new small home reno DIYer. I appreciate this and have learned exactly what I need!
Very helpful info about the different batteries! I also use Ryobi, and I have the 1.3Ah batteries. The jobs I do are so small and lightweight, they work well enough for me. But now I know that if I plan on any bigger jobs to get the better batteries. Thanks!
I have a 18 volt Ryobi Hammer Drill Driver, love that thing.
What battery capacity and tasks do you use it for? Trying to compare it to a bosch before buying. Thanks.
I have the same one.. man, my wife loves it even more.
Wonderful explanation, of drills and battery. So much confusion and marketing in selling products and not enough real world knowledge of how tools will perform, thank you.
Thank you. After all these years of using this tool, I finally learned how to use it and why they didn't work. You have improved my future.
Thank you so much for posting! I wanted to know the difference between the two and you did great job of explaining. 😊👍
Well-rounded explanations. You deserve an 11k likes. It's useful for a beginner like me. Thank you.
Thanks for that! I'll be posting another video in a week or two explaining the difference between drill drivers, combi drivers and impact drivers so keep an eye out for that!
I own the same Ryobi drill/driver and, fortunately, my neighbor moved and left a few tools behind, so I now own a perfectly good DeWalt impact driver. Now I know the differences. lol (I didn't even know it was an impact driver.) Thank you so much for the video! Subscribed!
I’m a recent subscriber. Thanks for a great channel. I have the same two Ryobi tools (plus a circular saw and two small batteries - all bought at a kit in a bag) and I use all of them a lot, but have been humming and hawing about a bigger battery - expensive at £75. You’ve convinced me it’s worth the cost. Thank you for a very good and instructional video. Les
Literally owned that exact driver and had no idea what the intended purpose of the slip clutch was. First 2 minutes of the video and I’m learning.
Glad you found it useful! Thanks for the comment 👍
Good video. Answers some good questions.
Maybe in another video sometime, something on Phillips bits with Phillips screws versus some of the other bit-and-screw variations that are available e.g. Pozidriv, so that so much downforce on the tool is not needed to prevent "cam out" of the bit. (Phillips was designed for the bit to cam out before stripping out the sheet metal, or breaking off the screw head in thick metal, in installing a part in auto assembly plant operations.)
Also, I often drill pilot holes so that I don't break off screws trying to get them to go all of the way, or so that I don't experience cam out of the Phillips bit before getting them to go all of the way, For me, this saves time in the long run and I have no information that the holding ability of the driven screw is diminished.
Just as an addition Charlie, Your right the impact has a lot of Torque. So much so that I have sheared off a number of screws when going into HARD wood. ( I was surprised at how it went into the Oak). So it pays to pre drill in some circumstances.
Peter Compton Yes mate, I'd ALWAYS drill a pilot hole first when screwing into Oak. I didn't in this video because I was trying to make the test as demanding/ extreme as possible. The surprise for me was how well the drill driver did, but even so, I'd always use my impact driver for jobs like this.
no , dont buy cheap screws
When that happens, try sticking a rubber band between the bit and the the stripped screw... can work nicely.
Sabastian Love thanks for that tip!
Oak isn't even that hard. I've been working with azobe and padouk (don't know how it translates). You have to pre drill 95% of the hole when working with inox screws :D
Your information on battery size has proved invaluable to me and I am so grateful. What a huge difference this has made to my DIY work so thanks again.
Thanks Gareth. Glad to hear it. Here's another vid you might find useful czcams.com/video/sL-t2Zc4wCs/video.html 👍🏻
Thank you so much for this video, I didn't realize the battery had a lot to do with why my drill was not going in all the way
You're welcome. Yes, get yourself a 4Ah better or similar and you'll see a shift in performance.
I was a faithful user of another brand for years. When I chose to add another tool, they had changed the battery connector. I returned that product to the store. I went to a different store and purchased my first Ryobi. That was nearly 20 years ago. I've added a number of other tools since that first and only one has actually worn out. A few years ago, I added an impact driver. Not only is is faster, but I find that I can drive more screws per battery charge than I could with the drill/driver.
Great demo. One correction: the higher amp hour rating doesn’t make the battery anymore powerful, it simply means it will last longer than a battery with a lower amp hour rating under similar load/current draw. A 5 Ah battery has enough charge to output 5 amps of current for 1 hour before going dead. For more power (in the technical sense of the word), you’d need a higher voltage battery. A 24V drill will be more powerful than a 12V drill. Putting a longer lasting high amp hour 12V battery on a 12V drill will not make it more powerful than the 24V drill. Fully charged, similarly aged batteries of similar voltage are important for a good comparison though to ensure they both have the same “potential” (voltage) and can output the same power under similar current draw demands.
At last, someone who knows what he is talking about, and knows how to explain it to dumbnuts like me. Thank you.
then what is the reason for the difference between the two batteries in performance observed in this video?
I watched this a long while back and remembered something being said about the batteries. I've now watched this again and totally get it.
I'm just starting to build my power tool collection and I have the Dewalt set of drill/driver and impact driver. I had no appreciation for the differences between the two. This video was excellent at explaining the differences between the two drivers PLUS the impact (no pun intended) of using different size batteries. THANK YOU so much for the easy to understand lesson & demo!!
You're very welcome Monique, and this vid goes into a bit more detail if you have a moment czcams.com/video/sL-t2Zc4wCs/video.html 👍🏻
Charlie, thank you for explaining the differences between the drill driver and the impact driver. I'm relatively new to DIY and it's the best video I've seen on the subject. The explanation and the demonstration together "drives" the point home for me! Thanks again Charlie and I have subscribed.
Thanks so much Yvonne, and love the pun!
A very detailed and simplified tutorial, information. Thank you. This is helpful...
Thank you for showing me. I just got a Ryobi starter kit and I didn't know how to use it.
So nice to get all these details in one, interesting, energetic presentation. Thanks!!!
That’s crazy! I always thought that amperage influenced the amount of time that a device could be used, not the power that was delivered to the device during the time that it was used.
AmpH multiplied by volts equals wattage or power output
Love the impact driver. The power is there when you need it. Of course there are times when you shouldn't use it, example ; fitting hand wash basins, pans etc. I suppose it's common sense really and watch out for vibration white finger, this is something I was sceptical about until I did some homework, scary stuff.
I have the exact same tools, both size batts. Great video. Was hoping to learn more about the different settings on each (specially the dials), and their applications. I built 18’ x 8’ garage shelves yesterday (first time & no assistance!). Tried driver drill but didn’t really know what I was doing, so stayed with my regular familiar drills. However my hands are killing me today! Broke drill bits making pilot holes, chewed up star bits. Torx bits & screws saved me in the end! I’ll reattempt next week to build second shelves on other side of garage. Any good videos out there re THE DIFFERENT DRILL SETTINGS ON DRIVER AND REGULAR DRILLS please? Thanks! 🤓👍🏼
Enlightened is the only word I can use to describe it. Always assumed Ah was capacity only. In the market for a new drill and option for 4Ah at the minimum. Great video and demonstration. Keep up the good work!
Just got me a Stanley Drill and Impact driver set recently. I will add some 4.0Ah batts for them later on.
A TON of useful information on this subject. Great job passing it along so clearly.
Thanks - I really appreciate that 👍
Glad I finally found someone who could answer this question!
Have been using cordless tools for over 30 years in construction and I learned something regarding the batteries performance in what different ah ratings make to the tools capability.
You are so correct about the drill driver and the impact drivers and I decided to purchase a popular brand recently and looked at the battery sizes and the available upgrades available for the tool. After that I purchased the impact driver, but from another company which also have heavy duty batteries for their tool. About 8 years ago I purchased a Craftsman drill driver and it worked just fine, but when I had problems with the batteries which came with them and wanted to buy new ones I found that the new batteries would not charge on the charger which I had even though they fitted my drill. I decided not to buy another one of their products after that incident.
If you bought your Craftsman drill 8 years ago or more then it may suggest that it was using a different type of battery like NiCd (nickel-cadmium) today most common type of batteries are Li-ion which require different charging method. old cordless drills can use lion batteries if the voltage is in the acceptable rage so if that's the case with your craftsman drill then there is nothing to blame the manufacturer for, as they may offer new batteries of older drills but then technically they can not make them compatible with older chargers. if you are able to get the model number of your old drill we could solve that riddle.
MrFrambooise one of the nice things about when Ryobi changed from Ni-cad to Lithium was all the tools and batteries are compatible both ways.
That's nice, but chargers are nor compatible I guess. Ryobi seems to keep things in order.
@@jjblackmore4818 Not true the old batteries will charge on the new charger but the opposite is not so.
And here you are again! CZcams is freaking me out, haha.
If you have ever tried to drill a hole in masonry brick, you will love an impact driver: worth their weight in masonry bits you burn up trying to drill with a standard drill.
You may be referring to a hammer drill.
Great video man, this is exactly what I was looking for. New sub, lookin forward to catching more of your content. Cheers!
very interesting demo on how the difference of battery capacity could affect the performance of the tools! it clears a long existing questions for me on batteries capacity. Thanks for the video!
Those Ryobi make my old 12v Milwaukee look like a beast
Great video. Very informative. Subscribed. Thank you!
Now I know!! Thank you for explaining so simply! I have both ...and I’m going to upgrade the battery!
Yes, the shall batteries are great for every day jobs to keep the tool light but for power intensive work you really need a 4 or 5Ah battery in your collection. 👍🏻
Great info, thank you. I just picked up a drill & impact driver set but I didn't know the purpose of the impact. Also had deal for a free wrench driver with the purchase so I think it was a good deal. I didn't think about the batteries in this way and the ones that come with set 2Ah batteries but I bought a 4Ah as well.
G’day that was brilliant I’ve just started buying cordless have gone with ozito brand popular entry level here in Australia I knew the difference between impact driver and the drill but knew nothing about batteries love your style and presentation thank you
You're welcome. Thanks for taking the time to comment, mate!
Timothy Fagan , yeah Ozito drill driver with 4 Ah battery excellent so far.
I wonder if you already knew this and forgot to mention it, to me it’s one of the main differences.The ‘hammer action’ on a drill driver is applied in the direction the drill is drilling - so driving it harder into the material. In the compactor the ‘hammer action’ is applied in the direction the drill is spinning, - so helping the turning force. No matter, I always enjoy your videos Charlie, always very informative and I've picked up more than a few tips
Gordon Chapman the answer im looking for. Thanks
First, i love your British accent. I am a tiny woman who loves DIY. This morning i was trying to drill a hole in a tree stump that i want to remove. My silly low powered drill driver couldn't even scratch the surface. Then i when i went shopping i found all these drills that i had no idea what they all did. Thank you for helping me out. I wish you lived closer. I would knock on your door all the time.
Aw, thanks Sue.👍 Did you find a suitable drill in the end?
@@CharlieDIYte yes i bought both - hammer and impact.