What Would Everton's History Look Like If We'd Moved To The Kings Dock Stadium?
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- What Would Everton's History Look Like If We'd Moved To The Kings Dock Stadium?
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Sliding doors moment totally agree. I think there were a couple of other times things changed, Kendall leaving in 87 and the club failing to modernise Goodison in the 90's. You could argue Goodison might have been on the back burner but we're still there. BMD is now essential because Goodison is now very dated and we've fallen so far behind.
It's a nice thought but I can't think of too many ambitious new stadiums that didn't set clubs back on the pitch. The Emirates forced arsenal into selling our best players to teams like city and helped their growth in a huge way. This season is great but the previous decade was a huge backwards slide on the back of building the Emirates.
Even Arsenal had their bank funding pulled on them at one point.
Newcastle played Championship football in a 52,000 seater stadium. A big stadium counts for nothing if you're poorly ran.
Besides, Everton's average attendance in 2000 was only around 35,000 or 90% capacity. A 55,000 seater stadium would only have meant 20,000 empty seats and higher running costs
Sorry mate, 20,000 empty seats is tripe. The average attendance isn't the be all and end all. Some matches would have bigger attendances. Goodison being old, dated, and full of obstructive views lets not forget. Would have limited seats. The fact is, then, just like Goodison now, the capacity is prohibitive. It caps the potential of the match going attendance. Also, most if not all new stadiums have had a lift in attendances. Any club you like check their attendances before they moved and post move. It's a lie that people measure our potential attendances in a bigger arena based on a curtailed Goodison capacity. In the 80's (a different time for football fans I know) but the capacity was in excess of 52-53,000. It's been reduced through being all-seater amongst other reasons.
@@davideeyore2002 On only 2 occasions in the 2000-2001 season did Everton's attendance surpass 38,000 in the Premiership, that was against Man Utd and Liverpool. 12 of the 19 games were below 35,000. Yes, clubs that build new stadiums see attendances increase because, shockingly, games at their original stadium were regularly selling out; the demand for tickets exceeded the capacity of those stadiums and therefore there was an incentive to expand or build a larger stadium. That was not the case at Everton. For example, Maine Road's average attendance was 99% of capacity in Man City's last season there. Newcastle in 99/2000 had an average attendance of 99.2% of capacity before the stadium expansion. 10% of the seats in these stadiums were not empty prior to expansion. There were not 4,400 seats at Goodison ruined by obstructive views, if there were those seats wouldn't be selling now.
Tickets at Goodison in 2000 were readily available, no-one was buying them. If there were 4,400 unsold tickets at Goodison in 2000 then there would have been 20,000 unsold tickets at the Kings Dock
@@MichaelH3948 I think you're taking the average attendance & top attendances too literally. By the way did you factor in the away fans where the likes of Newcastle would only fill probably half the allocated away section? Like I said I think you're taking this too literal. See my first reply; more people would attend but Goodison isn't fit for purpose. There are limitations on the view (not just obstructed views). The stadium has been "managed" downwards that includes the reduced capacity. Same applies now as it did 20 years plus ago. I'd say BMD at 52,888 isn't enough it probably caters for demand now but does not allow for tourist fans and people who are attracted to the new facilities. This is when we're crap btw.
Let’s hope we get to where we wanna be at Bramley Moore Dock 🙏🏻
It'll be the most imposing stadium in the lower leagues. Thats for sure.
I was working at cammell lairds at the time and every time I looked over at the echo arena I thought that could of been our stadium !
Everton were not ready for the Premier League changes, one thing that hurt us was the ban on European football, it robbed us of monies were deserved, but didn't get, thus when the Premiere League came into being were were not in a position to compete with those teams at the top, lets face it, the Champions League monies has created a two tiered league, it has ruined every league in that way.
A new stadium is a must that’s not in debate , but initially it will be a huge corporate sterile venue
We did own the land - the problem was it was effectively mortgaged so the mortgagee was within their rights to veto any development.
Always living in what ifs
Doesn't everyone i certainly do
@@douglastaggart9360 No.
Baz class t shirt mate, is it in toffee tv shop?
It wouldn't have made that much difference. Newcastle built SJP around the same time and even though we fill out the 52,000 seater stadium it only amounts to £24m per season.
It would have helped for sure but it wouldn't allow you to compete with Liverpool or the London clubs.
Spurs have commercial income of £160m. That's 7 or 8 years worth of our ticket revenue. Everton wouldn't have been close to being able to attract the commercial deals of the big six the same as Villa, Newcastle, Leeds and a host of other similar size clubs
Think the money men would have chose us over Chelsea and citeh, and we could have won titles and trophies, but we had bluffers at board level.
Has john forgot what frank mckenna said about the kings dock and paul Gregg
What did they say
What they say
czcams.com/video/uhTWjpHGEI4/video.html
19 minutes
You had Frank McKenna on a few weeks back saying it was a non-starter regardless of whether Everton could've stumped up the money. 🤷♂️
Surely the question is hypothetical, what would have happened HAD we moved?
@David Eeyore - it's the stuff of fantasy - what if ?!!! Whose to say it wouldn't have panned out like Leicester or Southampton etc and who went into administration after building new stadiums ?
Well that was a depressing conversation 🤣🤣🤣
Shoulda coulda woulda
When the club were pursuing a stadium move to the Kings Dock on the banks of the River Mersey, Kenwright assured everyone for over two years that Everton’s contribution of just £30m was “ringfenced”. The money never materialised.
No money for the stadium, yet it's dreamland to think what if. The reality would have been closer to bankrupting the club without the prudence to pull out of the deal without the financing. It would have strapped the club on the playing side as well.
It still hurts a little missing out on the Kings Dock UTFT!
John. Blaine in Orange socks ❤
Unforgivable
Everton were a much more attractive prospect than Manchester City were at the time of the Sheik buyer but the stadium, or in Everton's case lack of, made the difference. Basically Manchester City's history would have been Everton's
How do you work that out 😂 that’s not how football work. Arsenal, Utd & Chelsea were a much more attractive prospect than Everton have ever been 😂
So you’re saying you would have brought aguero & yaya toure 😂
@@DanKeywood-js1wr None of them were on the market whereas Everton were.
@@TheGiantKillers doesn’t mean you would have been brought 😂
Everton are in the Premier league bottom 3 again ped and baz
Every time i watch videos on everton i get more frustrated with Bill and his cronies. Absolutely ruined this club
It would have been used to house migrants unfortunately.
Grow up
@@StringaBell17
True though. Tories have f*caked this country with illegal immigration