💀Tinybones, Trinket Thief💀 | Discard Tribal | MTG Arena | MTG Historic | Against the Odds
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- What are the odds of winning with Tinybones, Trinket Thief in MTG Historic on MTG Arena backed by a ton of powerful discard spells? Let's find out!
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0:00 Start
4:33 Match 1
9:51 Match 2
19:10 Match 3
28:47 Match 4
43:07 Match 5
58:14 Wrap Up - Hry
He’s just trying to feed his tiny family.
With trinkets? Is that what miniature skeletons eat?!?
MTGGoldfish I don’t know what skeletons eat, but I know they eat on the finest bone china.
MTGGoldfish I assumed he pawned them for bonemeal.
Omg at 22:27 when he makes the bugle noise because he thinks it's a Bugler Rat made me literally die laughing. Dude I freaking love watching you play magic Seth.
I don't think he actually thinks it is bugler rat, he just embraced the meme
He perfectly knows it's burglar rat but it's like a meme every time he plays it and we love it so much haha.
Every time I run into a new deck randomly 3-4 times in a day I can bet there's a new Against the Odds up. It's almost better than CZcams notifications.
I think Lilliana’s steward would be pretty decent in this shell as a one drop. T1 steward into t2 tinybones seems pretty good
It doesn’t produce enough value imo. Since you can’t guarantee you’ll be able to strip their whole hand every game, you really prefer for every discard card to either produce card advantage or some control over what they discard
30:28 Not ultimating Liliana when you have the chance has to be a mistake. You're guaranteed a free hasty Uro next turn and you can keep grabbing the other Uro every turn for more value.
Uro has to be sac Ed unless you escape it! So you can for sure get the uro draw/lands but he can't attack!
When Seth was clicking Liliana I was going: "Cool, free Uros for the rest of the game. What, plus? Nooooo...."
@@twlvfngrs Oh right, it has to escape not just come in from the graveyard. Still, an extra card and 3 life every turn seems hard to beat.
I 100% agree even playing devils advocate of "oh you want a discard engine" I still think it makes more sense to have uro triggers every turn not to mention getting back tiny bones ect.
yeah it was incredibly greedy to try and keep her around
That "bugle" noise you make for the rat absolutely tickles me haha
Me: *thinking maybe Historic looks interesting after all*
Opponent: *Standard Bant with 5feri*
Oookay. Just going to stick to drafting until September.
Yesh that game made me hate the direction of mtg
That game made me actively angry
Literally every single card draws a card and uro is one of the biggest mistakes in magic. What a disgrace
Well, best of one historic is a tribal party, with goblin and elves leading the group, merfolk and vampires shortly behind, the new spirits addition that looks very strong and rogues trying to make their way without a lord. There are also some random dino fans and I encountered a daring pirate player today. As a tribal player, I love it
@@Pinkiepied1 oh please it's just a control deck. And it's not even the best deck in tbe format or anything like that. Best one is vampires
That Vampire Opponent missing out out on fizzling Tinybones with Castle though.
Seth misplaying and opponent rewarding him by misplaying harder back is hard to watch
Today in Against the Odds: people who do not RTFC
Read The F**ng Card?
cloaking111 yes
They truly deserve to lose
If you are saying this because people play out their hand against tinybones, consider that not playing anything until your opponent doesn't have a discard spell once doesn't get you anywhere. Maybe their biggest out was Seth not being aware of the activated ability.
@@Kettwiesel25 There are a couple of examples where they very clearly made a mistake, playing everything out on a board that kills them if they do, or not holding up a castle lochtwain trigger.
I honestly love liliana's triumph, against aggro it's just removal, and against UW Control it can kill dream trawlers
Yeah, it's especially good if you have Lilianas, but even without them getting Dream Trawler and Adanto Vanguard is a big deal.
@@MTGGoldfish Most decks that run Vanguard go too wide for Lilliana's triumph to be a consistently good answer, in the sideboard you are better off running disfigures and grasp of darkness even though the incidental discard from time to time is very nice.
very cool seth, I always appreciate you talking through your thought process on every single play, I want to build and pilot this deck!
i dub this deck: shortstack
huge rack on a small body
Histo-Rack
@Petr you just changed the name of my deck 😁
Thank you from the very depths of my soul for this deck. Loving it so far. I've waited years to play a discard "rack" strategy type deck that was semi-competitive. My fav standard deck of all time was G/B Goyf/Rack/Smallpox during the days of Ravnica/Time Spiral. Playing this deck on Arena has the same feel.
Thanks so much for playing a rack style deck. I am a massive fan of the grindy incremental value decks, and this seems like an archetype that personifies that. I mean, I loved lantern control. That probably says something about me...
41:48 needed to hold that land so you could have two removal spells for the uro.
Yeah, I think you're right.
@@MTGGoldfish or also even just activate tinybones twice, op had no cards in hand and there were 12 untapped mana
No matter what Tinybones is always a winner
20:18 "We're going to have to draw an edict effect pretty soon..."
Then draws Rankle, an edict effect, and doesn't cast it, allowing opponent to put out buffer creatures...
Not sure you would have won that game either way but dealing with the indestructible threat would have made it last a fair bit longer
yeah I agree, that was a really bad play
The way he says burglar rats lmao
Boo-ger-ler rats lol
I like the horn sound effect
That's on purpose. Long-standing joke.
He thinks it's a rat that plays the bugle.
He knows how to say it he likes saying it wrong. He literally says it sounds funnier in a different vid. Imagine rats that play the bugle
(3:05) I miss "Bugler Rats".
[Edit] At least it was still "bugler Rats" during game play.
You punted at 41:26 you should have discard the swamp first with Lilliana in case they had two counters in hand and then eliminated and used the swift end from murderous rider on Uro after if that was countered that way you keep the creature half.
Fave episode for a while, gonna play this deck :) Thanks Seth
Have fun! It worked a lot better than I expected and seemed at least semi-competitive.
This is exactly my mono black waste not deck, updated with m21 liliana and tinybones!!! I love Waste Not so much, and this seems a video personalized for me, thank you!
Seth: Tiny Broken bones!! Good lord
:)
Sorcerous Spyglass might have been a good answer to Adanto Vanguard, with that they can't make indestructible, plus it also shuts down Sorin
Today’s Seth speak: bugler rat.
The thumbnail guy should draw a Bugler Rat and post it on Twitter or something
Bugler Rat, herald of Tinybones.
Militia Bugler Rat fusion when?
@@MiguelMaravilla When we do Return to Kamigawa, They have Rat people there.
@@RyuPlaneswalker he even made the trumpeting sound...like he is really reading it as a bugling rat, despite the fact that it *steals* opponents cards
The infamous militia burglar haha.
The funny part is that some people think you don't know how to pronounce it.
But us we know.
That first game was the most fun game I’ve watched in a while
Glad you liked it!!!
Historic content make me say yipee!
"I'm gonna murder the Lord" 😳
I've been playing this since tiny bones came out! Definitely fairly different, not using waste not, but a fun and underrated archetype for sure.
Couldn't vampire player activate castle locthwain in response to the tinybones trigger and fizzle the damage since they would have 1 card in hand? Or does tiny bones see that they have no cards and the activation is just a damage trigger?
I wonder if Ashiok would be a good solution for Bant and Field of the Dead. It feels like you need an answer to feeding all the Uros and ECDs
What are the Grafdiggers Cages for if not for matchups like that Bant one?
First time commenting on a video of yours, what would you say to the idea of using narset in the sideboard splashing blue to prevent card draw against bant mythics and teferi varients?
I dont have Waste Not, is there another card you could use instead? The deck looks super fun
So at 41:30, Seth could have just waited on the Liliana activation and used Eliminate on Uro, holding up Swift End for the counterspell, meaning the bant deck would still be close to dead without two counterspells, right?
At 30:29 am I missing something or could he of done liliana's ultimate and just gotten a free hasty Uro if not multiple times?
22:24 I HEARD THAT
spyglass can shut down adanto as well, or sorin, whichever was threatening
"We don't have any rack in our format
Davriel : *am I a joke to you*
8Rack is, strangely enough, an aggro deck. This feels more like the (very) old Megrim-Underworld Dreams mono black control decks.
Stronger than I thought.
"You can't make the opponent discard the top of their deck"
Mill Harder!
Tiny is my new favourite mtg character. An undead stealing for his kids
Seth keeps calling them Bugler Rats which keeps making me think that they're rats playing tiny trumpets. XD
Need that sideboard elderspell.
Since this was posted ive played against almost entirely discard decks. 7 of the last 10 matches just today.
Right at the end of the Bant Superfriends match, you had better odds casting both removal spells BEFORE activating Lili, because they would for sure keep a counter if able, and were much less likely to have two counters in hand than one (and as it turned out, they only had one counter). It would have left them in a much harder position topdecking, with Lili high enough on loyalty to safely minus again to answer another threat
Have you ever concidered playing historic amplifire. It is a very fun deck when it works and it feel very against the odds like
What I like about this deck is how deep it is. You can easily play this deck, even if you don't have the wildcards to craft all the tinybones copies. There are multiple options which are quite good in the deck as well:
Liliana's Steward
Elspeth's Nightmares
The five Mana Bolas' Saga
The Discovery/Dispersal + Disinformation Package (Surveil Subtheme, needs some blue duals and maybe a single island) You can probably also go more into the Surveil theme, but I think this deck is significantly worse.
Divest is ok (not great though)
Hypnotic specter is also just ok, even though the combo with rankle is quite nice.
Vicious Rumors is a card a friend of mine is very fond of (didn't test myself yet)
Probably Gary (Gray Merchant of Asphodel) is not bad, even though he never did the cut for me.
This list is not extensive. What do you think?
Or go black, white. Get access to charming prince to flicker your rats. You also have access to doom foretold and kaya to remove the cards you discarded from their graveyard
I kind of built a deck like that in standard. It was pretty fucking brutal
Why do you main phase instant kill spells all the time?
I wonder if you could make a chromatic black tiny bones deck work 🤔
So in Match 4, why name Ooze with the second spyglass instead of the teferi ? Its not like he cares that much about his graveyard, and he has far more creature removal than Planeswalker removal to draw into right ? Also would prevent the opponent from bouncing the Tinybones for the win in the last turn ?
Fiddling with Grixis Rogues (Oona/Robber/Thieves Guild Enforcer) I can't wait to get my hands on one Tiny every next WC mythic i'll get ;_;
You should totally brew Arcane adaption, spark double, Muxus and Terror of the peaks!!!
God the bant match was soo close!
And if u were to ultimate Lilli or kept the land for discard in game 3 (last turn) you could have won.
Wow this deck seems really fun
Yeah, I got a bit greedy :)
My favorite kind of decks (8rack) Well with Ponza.
I hope we could play a semi competitive discard deck in standard (a real discard deck not a blink value discard yorion stuff)
We need waste not in Zendikar ^^
Part of me thinks Uro was a typo that went off the the printer without 2 colorless in its escape cost.
Finding a way to play 1UU Narset in the Monoblack deck feels like it could close a big hole in the deck's plan by locking the late game pretty tightly. It's so bad against aggro, they would have to sit in the sideboard.
If you’re a mono black deck in historic I wouldn’t sleep on Witch’s Vengeance.
Zurzoth, Chaos Rider as the against the odds. Devils for the win!
Kroxa feels like a natural fit for this. Does adding red give us anything else this deck is lacking? Or is Kroxa not worth adding the extra color?
Artifact removal could be worth it
Tinyyyy bones
Winning games
Makes me happy 🎶
It was also the night the skeletons came to life!
what’s a saffron olive?
53:18 Arena Shuffler is fine.
22:24 That was absolutely adorable.
Bugler rats. LOL Not Burgler. How does "bugler" even make sense. Thank you for the hilarious content :)
I feel like some amount of Leylines woulda been good for the bant matchup and currently the sacrifice matchup
Leyline gets bounced by turn 3 teferi basically every single match in my experience if you aren't putting serious pressure on their life total. It is however backbreaking for cat oven decks and non esper reanimator decks (T3feri again). It also is kind of irrelevant against plan B which is drag out the game, ugin and exile the opponent's board.
Yeah, I probably should start playing more Leylines in Historic.
@@christopherwoodbury7520 Jund has answers because they are in green sometimes the cycling artifact/enchantment destruction spell, mystic repeal or assassin trophy.
I would agree magic players don't play enough graveyard hate, and I just don't understand why.
I think this is a case of having an emotional reaction to a frustrating card and then compounding it by sideboarding incorrectly against it.
At first i was like "Wow, Tinybones deck is insane and cancer". But then i got reminded about Bant Ramp. Clearly the heavy weight of cancer magic decks.
0:22 In 10 years, just saying his name will take him 5 minutes!
Tinybubbles~
witch's vengeance would be great in sb
I would like tomsee this deck fo 10h
That was a lot of fun to watch. Tiny bones for the win!
“mono back”
on match 4 you had enough mana for a double tiny bones activation
I made a Grixis version of Tinybones to include Kroxa, Thought Erasure, and Nicol Bolas the Ravager, plus some sideboard stuff. It's so much fun!
Uro just makes the fight ridiculous to try and do.
Tiny Bones the best card ever printed.
Is it me, or does he say his intro line like at half the speed he used to?
Several Years ago: "Heeello everyone, it's Seth, Probably better known as SaffronOlive"
More recent videos: "Heeeellllo everyooonnnneee, it's Seeetttthhh, Proobbbably better knowwn as Safffrrrooonnnn Ooollliiivvvveeee".
Idk why this tiny, unimportant detail sticks out to me, but I swear I can play that specific line at 1.5x speed and have the same sound as a few years ago. I'm not trying to be rude or call him out or anything, it's just an unusual detail I noticed. Nothing inherently wrong with the way he says it.
On an unrelated note: This video by itself is the reason I am downloading Arena as we speak. This deck looks super fun lol
Tiny Tim is always fun to watch!
Why does no one side in Sourcerous Spyglass against Adanto Vanguard 😭
I feel like Fell Specter could be pretty strong in this deck. A solid discard ETB + a way to drain opp out of the game? Idk, seems decent.
Optics man optics
bone-rack on legacy seth? :)
SaffronOlive is just Seth mispronouncing his own name.
33:30 "No lands, no keep." But.. but!
1 land, 1...throw hand away try again. good lord
We need force spike and delver for tempo too be good and keep all the ramp decks in check
18:48 you sound pretty excited about these tiny bones being broken Seth...
Anyone else realize he said mono back instead of mono black at the beginning
Could this deck run Torment of Hailfire? Or is it too slow for Historic even as a singleton? IDK I only play edh so just guesswork but it seems like it would be a sweet backup plan or swing play
41:27 If you didn't play the swamp, you would've had an extra eliminate for Uro :(
Or could have saved Liliana activation for after emptying hand.
“Tiny broken bones”
Does this deck want a couple of leylines and/or Ashioks in the board against Uro and similar shenanigans?
Yeah, adding Leyline probably worthwhile.
Weird.... Seth casted a few Rankles, but never cast a "Rankle, Master of Prankles". Odd choice.
I’m not very good at historic but would cabal stronghold be good in this deck?
You need 4 basic swamps just to break even. With 3 field of ruins and 4 castles you often won't have it until later so it's just a colorless land a lot of the time which hurts with this man dual black symbol cards. Still, probably not a bad one of for late game tiny bones activation.
I think it's mostly a trade off between Cabal Stronghold and Castle Lotchwain. A Cabal Stronghold manabase really wants all basic Swamps outside of Stronghold. Castle Locthwain is too good to give up I think.
young peezy + risen reef, nothing more to see lol
There is actually a quite easy answer why you lost to Uro. You are not playing any gravehate. I for my part play 3 Bojuka Bog and 1 Elspeth's Nightmares (Main deck because bo1). I think it is quite obvious that a deck using graveyard value has a good matchup against a deck, that fills it. And adding Bojuka Bog doesn't cost too much, less than the field of ruin, if you ask me.
"That was a Tinybones special!" lol
I wish tiny bones was legal in modern.