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Meiji Finer Force WB 2.0 For Base Coat & Clear Coat
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- čas přidán 3. 11. 2022
- My ramblings on the Meiji Finer Force 2.0 WB , I've had this around 4 months and was quite excited to get it as the build quality of these are the best there is, only Sagola come up as well made.
It's a cracking gun for WB, Solvent and Clear, highly recommended, hope you enjoy the video 👍
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Wow thanks for fast response! i just ordered the finer spot and the 2.0 WB after watching your videos on those! i have the ANI R160 CLICK AND A 5000 RP SATA ,BUT I WAS BLOWN AWAY ON YOUR PAINT WORK USING THOSE MEIJI GUNS !!! ! KEEP MAKING THOSE VIDIOS AND I WILL KEEP WATCHING THEM !! FROM THE USA
Hi Randy, you're welcome, buddy, I think you'll be impressed with both of them. Please let us all know how you find them as others read these comments, and it helps them decide , cheers, mate 👍
Beautiful finish there Pete! I love this shade of blue, but then I’m partial to a blue 😊 the gun looks really nice quality and well built.
It's a lovely blue mate, a very good gun and 2.0 didn't feel over the top, cheers buddy 👍
Hey Pete, the way the other guys do it from out means they pull the trigger and turn it in till it puts tension on the trigger so to them that's all the way out then they turn it in the turns they want. 😃
Hi David, i thought that might be the case but it just seems it's more open to misinterpretation than the other way, thank you 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 I think that's the way I'm going to start adjusting my fluid. I can see my pattern tightening better.. To me it seems like the better way. Like those Meijer guns btw
Just seams logically to me, the Meijis are really well made guns, they perform well also so there's something quite satisfying about using one, and, although they are more expensive than they were they still aren't expensive compared to some 👍
that clearcoat finish is insane
Cheers buddy, it really was a great finish 👍
Nice blue, looks like a bmw colour. Lovely glass finish! That gun is like a fire hydrant 😅
You've probably guessed by now Terry i like my sprayguns 😁, your right, this thing really does throw it out but fully controllable, a great midi gun for sure, cheers mate 👍
Hi Pete, what a fantastic little gun and the size of that fan would put some full size guns to shame👏 it put the basecoat on really nice it was quick but also looked controlled and the same with the clear it looked like it was hosing it on but again it looked controlled, the finish was simply superb mate, well done👌
I always set my gun up by turns in mate if you do it right then it's no different to turns out, simply put the adjustment knob on loosely then pull the trigger so you are at full fluid then tighten the knob until it stops you are then set to full fluid, then you turn in x amount.
When people ask about your fluid settings they only really apply to the gun you are using as most of them are different. some guns are 2 turns out for full fluid and some are four or more so you can only use other peoples settings if you are using the same gun as them, that's how I see it anyway🤔🤷♂I'm probably totally wrong😂😂
Anyway loved the video mate, you did an amazing job with the Finer Force👌🙏👍
Hi John, yes, its a lovely little gun, i was really sceptical when i first saw it was a 2.0, the Kiwami1for waterbourn which i also have is 1.8 and i thought that was pushing it but they have got this just right, an absolute pleasure, shame they have gone up in price compared to the other 3 versions they have.
Absolutely agree, guns like the DV1 only have around 1 3/4 turns of movement from no fluid to full, I'm going from memory here but that's a particularly short range.
That's why i often say, and did in this video the total amount of fluid adjustment available.
I do get your way of doing it, it seams like a lot of faffing around to get the same result, i didn't realise people actually do it another way toe as it's how i have always measured it if needed for future reference or now for CZcams.
There's no right or wrong way really, i just find it easier, if i want to know how much adjustment there is, i wind it all the way in, pull the trigger and wait for the movement of the needle to finish, it's not something i need to know often but on something I like to tell people.
Noticed your officially John Bushmaster now and not just a number 😁, thanks mate 👍
Yeah I forgot to mention in my comment about the size of the tip, using a 2.0 for base and especially clear is unheard of but Meiji has made it just right, I assume it's mainly down to the design of the caps plus the holes in the tip also plays a part but either way I was really impressed with it👌
As you say mate there is no right or wrong way to setup your fluid adjustment, out from closed or in from fully open it's all the same really, I just find it easier to turn it in from open🤷♂😂
Yeah I changed my name on here so my huge fanbase would know who I am across all my massive social media accounts, all three of them😁🤣😎 thanks for a great video mate, oh I have a new one up if you can call another flowcoat new😬😆
@@JohnWD40TC02 yeah, i presumed it was down to some big sponsorship deal or another corporate reason of some kind, big cogs in a big world and all that, you must be exhausted mate 😂🤣😂
@@peteshobbies5383 🤣😂I wish!!🤑💰👍
It kinda looks like the W-100 series Iwata with the side cup on a neptune body.
Yeah, I get what you are saying with that, these are probably the best-made guns I've seen
Pete , QUESTION ? what gun out of the ( finer force series) gives you the very best performance on clear coat ? and what gun of( any brand) do you think gives the best performance for clear coat under 8cfm? THANKS PETE LOOK FOWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE ...SUBS RANDY FROM USA
Hi Mate, it really depends on what you're doing, the material you're using and the conditions (temperature, etc) that you're subjected to and the painters' requirements as far as speed is concerned.
As and all round clear gun, but slower the type R is good, as is the B for a faster painter, the WB is more suited to a fast painter using high solid clears in warm conditions, that would be my choice in those conditions.
My Top 12 video, which I think you've seen as you have commented on it, is a good general summary of my feelings still today, so I would choose the DV1s, overpriced and slow but very very good or the W300WB which is also excellent although it may well be over your 8cfm limit.
@@peteshobbies5383 I USE THE SAME STUFF YOU DO, THE UPOL CLEAR AND BASE ,ILL BE PAINTING SMALL CAR IN PIECE MEAL TIME SLOT OR SOMTIMES A FEW QUARTER PANELS NOW AND THEN , JUST A HOBBY FOR ME, BUT I LIKE MY TOOLS AND I LIKE TO HAVE THE BEST I CAN BUY , ILL PAINT AT A TEMP AROUND 70-80 ,I WAS THINKING 2.0 FINE FORCE WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE?
@randymehrhoff2384 If the temperature is 70 to 80 and you're using the Upol, I would go with the WB if you want it fast or the B for more control, both are excellent and you won't find a better made gun anywhere
OK! GOT IT THANKS AGAIN PETE!
@randymehrhoff2384 You're welcome, buddy 👍
I'll help you Pete 😆 It's pronounced may (like James May) and G... May G 🙃
Hi Pawel, thanks, I've taken a screenshot so i remember to next time😃
HI PETE, WHAT IS THE CFM USE ON 2.0??
Hi mate, 7.9cfm at 2 bar or 29psi so more or less the same as the others
That's a really beautiful blue. I can is the metallic, but looks like pearl too. Pete what color is that?
Hi Stanley, sorry, I can't remember, I make notes when I shoot the videos but once they are up and finished on CZcams I throw the notes away.
It's a Honda colour but i can't say for sure what it is 🙄
No worries, thanks Pete. I ordered the meiji wb 2.0
That's quite exciting Stanley, I'll be interested to see what you think.
A few people laugh at the 2.0 tip size on a base or clear gun but I find it does work, let me know how it goes mate 👍
You are really pushing me to buy one. Maybe not the waterborne one but a 1.3 tip size.
Hi Vlad, they are good gun's, they only do 4 different models and they only have 1 tip size in each one so there are 2 with 1.4 tips, 1 with 1.6 and this new one with it's 2.0
@@peteshobbies5383 I’ve actually looked them up on eBay and they have a finer core with a 1.3
@@HackMasterBlaster Yes, they have a Finer Core in 1.3 and 1.5 top cup, this is a different gun, this is the Finer Force and is available in the sizes i said earlier
Thanks Pete, for a very informative video. I like really like the side cup guns. You can swivel the cup when spraying flat panels, and when you are running low of paint in the cup you can swivel the cup, instead of sucking air instead of paint. I have the walcom hte 360 lite base for motorcycle and car painting.
What gun do you think put out a better finish?
Thank you Stanley, Do you mean a gun for base or clear or both?
For base and clear, another popular youtube spray painter said that the base n clear are exactly the same gun, it's labeled differently. I bought walcoms 1st mini gun, 25 years ago and loved it for smart repair. I was thinking of buying the T for metallic n pearls. Cheers
Hi Stanley, some are but most are not, depends on the guns, what guns were they talking about?
The Meiji guns are very good and you won't find a better made gun anywhere, highly recommended
OK Pete that is an absolute banging base finish-looked these up, but found with meije-1.6 recommended for clear and 1.3/1.4 recommended for pearl/metallic-so why 2.0? Paintingtoolsjapan didn't even show 2.0 that I saw. The proof is definitely in the pudding-that finish is extraordinary. Wonder what 1.6 for clear would look like? You are like the neighborhood drug dealer for spray gun addicts...my wife may put a contract out on you lol. All jokes aside I may be looking at my next brand for a solvent base gun.
Hi Scott, oh dear, not another wife after me, I'll really have to keep a look out for the unexpected 😉 , the 2.0 is kind of a new idea, Iwata have done a similar thing with there Kiwami1 for waterbourn paints which is 1.8, i have that as well and they do work well although i think the Meiji is better.
They are sold under the marketing idea that waterbourn paints are generally more dense than solvent which is certainly true for the one's i use so i guess they have a point.
I'm not sure the concept would work for a full size gun but I'm going to try the Kiwami4 in 1.8 to see if it can work, we will see 👍
Hard to wrap your head around base (water or solvent) being successfully sprayed out of 2.0mm fluid tip...seeing is believing however. I mean I spray high build poly primer from a sata 100 b P 2.5. The Meiji has to have some preatomization gimmick to make this happen. Be interested to see the kiwami 1 -1.8 spray base. The concept of choking a big fluid tip down is not unfamiliar to me, but for me it has never really worked well. Looking at your fan it seems the gun has pure fog coming out. My Sagola 4600, and ws400(at 38psi) are the only guns I've got that do that. Pete the pied piper of spray painting just What will he do next...lol
The cap is different to the rest in the range, there is also a different in the air holes in the tip so there's quite a lot of thought gone into the final product, maybe that's why they made it more expensive than the others in the series but it certainly works 👍
Is this spray gun for a spot job, or a complete paint job?
Hi James, this is a midi gun so between full size and a mini, it's capable of doing most things but you would want something bigger if you were doing 3 or more panels, simply because it would be faster
Thanks Pete, another great video. Is Meiji a new company? I've been spraying for 25 yrs off and on. I've never heard of this company. Is parts easy to get. Do you know if tips needle and caps interchangeable?
Hi Stanley, they have been going since the 1940s but are normally only found in Asia.
They are starting to branch out now, most of there sales are in Japan which is where they are made.
Some of the parts on each range are interchangeable some not, I get all my stuff from paintingtooljapan and they can get spares if needed just as they can for the Kiwami4 Wider4 etc.
You got it Pete, When I learned about Iwata setting. I talk to Iwata manufacturer, they said screw all the way in, then turn fluid knob 2 1/2 turns out. I guess people do things differently.