Guitar in Mono, Dual Mono, Stereo AND the difference!
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- čas přidán 29. 10. 2020
- What is the difference between mono, dual mono and stereo guitar amps?
Should your guitar be wired in dual mono instead of stereo? Or just keep your pedal board wired in mono to keep things easy?
In this video we go through the definition of each, how to wire your pedals and what they all sound like back to back!
Did you know that Interfacer, Underfacer, Output TX and LongLine can all run mono, dual mono and stereo without re-patching?
Check them out here:
goodwoodaudio.com/collections... - Hudba
So many channels are full of unnecessary talking. You just taught me everything I wanted to know within 2 minutes!!! Thank you!
I usually get accused of too much talking haha. Glad this did it for you.
Discovered your channel yesterday; original topics, well made with a pro look and a real information benefit, plus easy to understand with enough depth to it. Thx, man, keep going!
appreciate it! thanks for checking it out.
Thank you god for this quick and conscience explanation. It’s exhausting trying to find answers like this out there and you got right to it. Greatly appreciate
Thanks, you just clarified that the two 4 ohm speakers I’m going swap out of my Marshall 1936 2 X 12 which equals 8 ohms runs in a mono state on that setting. That works perfectly.
Thanks
My favourite go-to setup these days is using two amps, with different voicings, but not separated into a stereo field. So the two amps are either directly side by side, or even stacked one on the other. Then if I apply a mild panning between the two channels, there is a gentle modulation effect, but without the sea-sickening hard right/left thing of full stereo setups. My inspiration for this setup was stereo amps like Magnatones and also Leslie speakers, where the sounds are still coming from one central point rather than from two different corners of a room. Particularly for stereo Leslie effect pedals, I find putting the two amps side by side, and angled about 45 degrees away from each other, gives a more accurate representation of what a Leslie speaker does, throwing the sounds out from a single point into different directions in the room, rather than having the sounds coming at you from two different points in the room.
I am currently using an Orange Rocker 32 in full stereo, I can do wet dry if I want to without any needs for splitters, I am able to change the diffusion on either the Strymon or the Eventide allowing me to create a wider feel as needed, for those that like Orange amps, very neat stereo Fx Loop.
Orange is great eh. Its a solid amp for sure.
Hey Grant, thanks to your effort on teach people to know better their rigs (including me). I've been thinking to split my signal in 2 mono after the preamp (JCM800 style amp), one to go with no effects and the other to use my digital effects on killdry. Then summing back. Reason? I want to avoid analog-digital converting at my dry signal. What are your thoughts on this summing? Devices to indicate? Thanks again.
Would love to hear this same excercise with mixing different amps characteristics (For example Fender Deluxe with Marshall JCM-800) and clean and drive channels....
good idea! I'll put it on the 'future video' board. ha. thanks!
Really very good explanation... quick and useful
this was an excellent video, well explained
I do a dual mono setup but it's a wet/dry setup. Where one of my amps has my delays, reverbs and such. I absolutely love my set-up.
I LOVE wet dry. Makes way more sense in most venues than stereo... But having both as in option in my mind (if you record / play live / play different venues) is ideal
@@GoodwoodAudio exactly. I actually have one delay and reverb setting that goes to both for a stereo fill feel. And the delay ping pongs back forth between the two. I have never been so happy with my rig as I have been these last couple of years.
@@TVoltG nice!
@@TVoltG Oh please explain! lol. What settings and pedals do you use for this? Or do you just mean depending on the program / page etc for one sound you have stereo the other wet dry depending on the part of the song?
I'm trying to do the same with a wind synth through a Zoom 70cdr pedal, the wind synth is mono which I want one cable to go straight into a speaker dry, and the second cable to go via the zoom pedal. That way I can use the zoom for delay ambience and then noodle over the top of it with the dry signal. Watching these vids to see if that's possible.
Thanks for the great explanation and examples. I prefer the dual mono as @Daniel Mutter stated.
Glad to hear you're enjoying it! Ya, its a great sound being able to mix amps / different styles of amp.
So I have a question about the stereo setup. I understand the stereo being on when wet effects, like stereo delays, are engaged, but if you have both wet effects deactivated for certain passages, aren't you just effectively back in dual mono, albeit temporarily?
Nice to have the audio samples in this video. If running a pedalboard with stereo wet effects into a dual Kemper setup (different amp model in each), what Interfacer output mode is best to send to each Kemper for live FOH - Stereo or Summed mono?
If I'm understanding correctly.... I'd just go with stereo. Keep the Kempers with ping pong delays (as an example) and you can let FOH pan how they need to (or not pan at all if it's better for the room), and you can then get the stereo field in your monitors... If you don't have stereo on stage and FOH can't make use of stereo...then I'd just keep it in mono.
This is amazing! Thank you
thanks for checking it out!
Nice job. Very informative, but one thing I would have liked to hear is the difference between a delayed dual mono channel opposed to a delayed stereo channel. Is there a big difference? Which one sounds better in your opinion?
Typically you wouldn't do a delayed stereo channel (not saying it's a bad idea, just not as common). The main reason being that your delay / mod effects are already doing that job (just in a different way) giving you separation between amps. Whereas a dual mono setup doesn't since it is receiving the exact same signal from your pedalboard output (no stereo effects). Delaying a dual mono rig allows you to get more separation while still not transitioning to a full stereo setup. It would be a good experiment though! Something I'll keep in mind for future videos.
I was hoping to hear about the advantages of stereo out guitars like some Ovation Preachers, Rick-o-sound, or some two out Gibsons. I’m still trying to the advantages of one pickup to one amp and the other pickup to a different amp, but can’t seem to find an audio example.
This was super cool also.
cool idea! I actually don't own (or have access to) those guitars as far as I know, but I love the idea. If I get the chance I'll do a video on that as well!
@@GoodwoodAudio Rad! Thank you. I’d lend you mine if you were near.
I know there is a much larger purpose than providing extremely juvenile “wrong hole” jokes when plugging it in. I’d love to hear what others have come up with.
@@andrewkoastephens210 haha one day I'll do a vid. theres so much you can do with them.
Great Job Man ❤❤❤
Nice video
Very clear
Thanks!
Very helpful. Thank you.
thanks Alex!
Thx for this video. I have a 2x12 cabinet with two inputs labeled 8 and 4 ohm (one of those says "mono." I pair with a Quilter head that has two outputs labled 4 and 8 ohm. I have run both Quilter outputs to separate 1X12 cabinets in the past. Can you tell me: can i run stereo using my 2x12 cabinet with the Quilter? I'm running guitar to pedal board to cabinet. No pedals of stereo output. Is there an audio interface to take pedal board output and send a stereo signal to my 2x12 cabinet, is there a sonic benefit to doing so? Sorry for the newbie question, thanks in advance!
Great question! You don't want to mix loads in the way you are describing. It is assumed that you will use ONE of the two outputs / inputs (either 4 ohm or 8 ohm). You won't notice an audio difference of any significance by using 8ohm or 4ohm in general. This is more the requirement of the speakers in the cab (that load they require). The fact that both your quilter and cab have both as an option is great - leaves more flexibility in future - but you can essentially just stick with one option and go from there. 8ohm is most common. Radial Engineering might have a product to help you split your mono signal to two cabs... Not 100% sure off the top of my head, but their customer service is good if you get in touch and tell them what you're after!
Id like to know how to use my stereo output jack, mounted in my guitar, to output to 2 different Amps/Speaker creating a true stereo blend between the 2 different amps/cabnets
Sorry..saw this comment too late..responded to your other one first. I think you should send me an email. tell me your pedal list you currently have or know you're going to get and let's make a plan from there. info@goodwoodaudio.com
Stumbled across this video while I was originally searching on *how to pan guitar tracks in a mix*, informative nonetheless. 👍
Are you guys able to help me out with a coupla pointers on that topic? I'm only starting out on recording my guitar-playing into Reaper DAW (via audio interface) and I'm trying to figure out how to mix the guitar parts... Some people say to *double-track* + pan L/R (for rhythm supposedly)? Others go with 1 track + pan L/R (which would cause "Big mono")?
Would appreciate if you have some insight on this, although slightly out-of-topic from your video. 😅🤘🏻
Great questions. Totally honest - Im not an audio engineer / mixer. I would only be taking a guess. Sorry I can't offer more. Anything I say after this is totally uninformed. haha. So I should stop. I always talk with FOH about what they prefer and depending on the operator it always changes slightly... Might be the same for mixing.
Wow, that example of adding a few ms of delay to the dual mono rig was eye opening. Does doing this create any issues with phase or comb filtering? Or is that safe to do because you’re hard panning each amp L and R? Am I right to assume if you then summed both amps back to a mono signal you’d run into some trouble?
Its very subtle, but hard panning helps. Essentially you are putting the amps out of phase slightly. You can also adjust the 4ms to suit your needs. I would go anywhere from 3-8 depending on the setup. I often just try it out as an experiment, talk to the FOH operator and ask them what they prefer. putting a slight delay on one side can just help your guitar stick out in a mix a bit more (even if its just for your own benefit it can be helpful - aka - monitors only, FOH doesn't put a delay on)
@@GoodwoodAudio that’s some great info guys, thanks so much for the reply!
@@andy_watt pleasure!
I'm curious, I run two amps, but I use an Earthquaker Swissthings pedal to split the signal. However trying to get the mxr stereo chorus to get that thicker spread sound is not quite there?
Are you summing the signal? Or keeping it separate? Feel free to email at info@goodwoodaudio.com and we can go through this in more detail.
I used to just run mono,but then discovered stereo a few years ago…I then expanded that to a full wet dry wet rig….it’s hard to come back from that..going back to mono is like watching black and white TV…..I would like to try Dual mono with a delay on one side..that one I have never tried…Would that sound bigger than a full stereo rig in the room?
I think you'd still be pretty happy with stereo in that instance. Dual Mono with delay on one side will sound a bit wider, but as far as width...nothing beats stereo / WDW
I have a cabling question. Is there a cable (or just a splitter) that can split combined stereo (with mic) 3.5mm port into left channel mono, right channel mono, and microphone mono?
I might need to see a diagram of how this is wired on your board currently and how you want it split. It doesn't sound like a piece of gear I'm aware of but could be wrong. Feel free to email me a rough drawing to info@goodwoodaudio.com and I can take a look
I think I like dual mono the best, because not every gig will allow you to go stereo, but it gives me the chance to do it when I can, without losing my signal if I don't.
and mixing amp types is always fun.
Hi, thanks for the video.
Now I have a problem with this, in my band I have 2 guitarists, one rhythm guitarist and one melody guitarist, like avenged sevenfold. sometimes we do harmonic melodies like them and so on.
Most of our sound engineering just divides us into separate L and R's, whereas our setups are all built with stereo output.
My question is, How and using what kind of equipment to split my output into:
1. when 2 guitarists perform a rhythm, one is on the left and one is on the right with a percentage division for example 70L-70R;
2. when there is a lead session, the lead guitarist will play a stereo preset (I used 2 stacked delays like what Petrucci made in stereo format) and the rhythm guitarist will play a mono/dual mono preset;
3. When performing harmonic melodies, our division becomes 100%L and 100%R;
*In terms of my sound engineering use two stereo channels on the mixer (for two guitarist, stereo input).
I'm thinking of equipment that might be like a midi controlled looper or something, but didn't know how to doing that.
Thank you.
It depends if you want the guitarists to have full control over this or a mix between the FOH engineer and guitarist... If you want the guitarist to have full control you'll need to choose an effect at the end of the chain that can mix stereo outputs with a midi controlled blend. H9 might be able to do this. If you want your sound engineer to do it, then they could do the mix portion and the guitarists would have to do the preset changes. Either way, this could be a bit tricky as each venue will be different (the split between left and right)... I'd almost see if you can figure out a way to get the guitarists to have full control and FOH keeps each guitar at 80/20 (left/right) as an example according to their side on stage and then change the guitar tones / stereo or dual mono etc from the guitarists pedalboard so they stand out / duck their sound automatically. WIth this stuff, the simplest approach is often the best.
hey, great video! what might happen if you spit your signal, with a Y splitter, but run both legs into the same, 2 channel amp? say you have a fender twin and leg one plugs into the normal channel and leg two plugs into the bright? i can't find anything on this? thanks!
I haven't tried. I'm not actually sure if that would load down the inputs. Give it a shot and see what the results are. I'm sure someones tried it out there!
How would the signal chain work if you wanted to do Dual mono and also a Stereo setup?
The easiest way... Sum your signal after your last stereo pedal and then send that summed signal to two amps. All of our summing pedals (custom shop included) have this as an option. So dual mono comes as standard along with mono, stereo and a 2nd type of summing called split sum. If you wanted to do dual mono without summing you would unplug the right input/output of all stereo pedals and then split the left output of your last wet effect to two amps.
So if you have a stereo out set up on your last effect, two outputs for example, does this put out the stereo effect of a chorus say even if the previous boxes are no stereo? Do the mono boxes carry the stereo information which can be realized by the last box?
Unfortunately no. If you run a mono chorus into a stereo delay (as an example), the chorus will always be mono, no matter what, there's no way around that. But, the mono chorus effect will be sent out of both the left and right outputs.
Is there a MIDI or switcher that will help me change channels from 2 guitar amplifiers at the same time? I run an ABY pedal but I don't want to use two different amp foot switchers to change their channels.
There are a few companies that can do this. RJMs PBC10 has multiple function switches (can change two amps via TRS per preset. I believe radial makes something for this as well. Any midi controller with 2 relay controlled outputs (usually called function switches or external switches, amp channel switching etc...) can do multiple amps. Kind of depends how many other features you want this piece of gear to have though. A lot of companies will do channel switching PLUS it's your midi controller, looper etc.
Hi, I'm using a full pedalboard running through a Boss ES-8 controller. I go through the two outputs (L-R) to my Timeline and then to my Bigsky using L-R too, to end on my Vox (L) and on my Deluxe Reverb (R). Is this a dual mono thing?
Thanks a lot for the help!
Nope, you’re in stereo my friend. Even if you’re just using mono delays in your TL, the Bigsky reverbs will have a stereo field as they go to both amps.
Very true. It might not "Sound" stereo, but by the definition I give at the beginning, if both amps are receiving different information, its technically stereo (that definition can be ripped apart a bit I know... but for simplicity sake). You will notice more of a 'stereo' sound though if you go to the pattern or dual setting on your timeline.
Where to find the song in the video? I like that groove... 👍🏻
great question! This was so long ago now I'm not sure. I use Audiio.com to buy a lot of the background music. It will be on there somewhere!
I run a pretty simple and cheap rig.....Got a DigiTech XP360 going to a Fender Excelsior Pro(stock) and a Fender Pro Junior IV. No other pedals, since I have the ability to use the 3 buttons on the xp as stompboxes. Anyone's thoughts on this setup and how I could improve upon it would be great. Btw, my only 2 guitars are a Squier Paranormal series Thinline Cabronita Tele(stock) and a 87' Peavey Falcon (stock)
Biggest thing you can do for tone if you're looking for improvements is starting with guitar and amp. Especially amp (in my opinion). Getting a solid tube amp of your style / sound preference can make a huge difference. Guitar after that and then finally cables / pedals etc. But all in all, I'd say if you like the sound and feel of your rig, don't look for things to change until you have to. Plenty of people would disagree with me, but that's how it goes on public forums! ha.
It'd be nice to know for absolute sure which pedals will PRODUCE true stereo and no just a pass through.
How can I find out which will have 2 separate channels in stereo and not dual mono?
Honestly... read forums, check user manuals etc. A lot of 'stereo' pedals aren't what you would assume to be true stereo. There is a bit of the Left side in the right output and a bit of the right in the left. Other pedals have a stereo output but are essentially dual mono... It really is a pedal by pedal scenario you're working with. I would get in touch with the manufacturers if you can't find anything online.
There is no Pedal that can add True Stereo. It is technically impossible to convert a Mono signal into True Stereo or any kind of Stereo at all.
All you can do is to add Stereo Effects to the Mono Signal. A Guitar Tone can only be made Stereo when you place the playback (Speaker) in the Middle of a "Stage" and then record it from at least far left and far right, ideally with more microphones in between and on edge surfaces and so on so you can later on pan the sources across your Stereo Panorama Projection. It will still be artificial Stereo. True Stereo would be the output of the Microphones divided by left and right without amplitude changes. Natural or true Stereo means you Play what you would hear in reality. As the Guitar Signal is still mono you would technically spoken hear a single source sound in a Stereophonic (solid) environment. To make True Stereo a bit more clear = Take an acoustic guitar, position yourself on the very left side of a stage, start playing and walk all the way to the right while playing. The person in the Audience can now follow you AND your Sound projection from left to right on the stage. The stage is your Stereo panorama projection, if we would record your way from left to right with 2 microphones on ear level of the person in the audience, we could playback True Stereo over a Stereo Headset later on as if you're where sitting in the exact spot in the audience. Artificial Stereo, most of the times, uses single Mono tracks from a bunch of microphones to place those tracks on the individual channels of a stereo panorama to create a Stereo Panorama Effect. As you can see, it is not possible to convert a single mono signal into any kind of true or artificial stereo - you can add artificial stereo effects like flange, chorus, reverb etc into the signal chain but the signal stays mono only the Effect creates an artificial Stereo like projection.
So now that we know that - take an electric guitar, plug it into your "Stereo" Setup and walk from left of the stage to the right of the stage. The signal will not follow you, it doesn't matter where you stand on the stage, off the sate in the back, on the moon or in the basement. Yes you will still have Stereo Effects on your Signal but as already said, the Signal stays mono no matter what, only the added effects will mimic an artificial Stereo panorama.
What do you prefer for music playback? Just for a recreational listener and not a musician?
Im a little lame when it comes to this side of things... Since I work from home a lot (and have two young kids) I wear headphones or in-ears to block out the noise. For me, noise cancelling is just as important as the sound quality. haha
if i run a stereo pedalboard with dual amp (in hx stomp) but the left output of the stomp goes to fx return of an amp and the right output goes direct to PA, can this setup gets a true stereo benefits ? or it will summed to mono ?
Good question. In theory, assuming your HX stomp is set up with stereo effects properly, this can be used as a stereo setup yes. It will be more work balancing the lines in your monitors / in ears, but it is doable! If you're already using the on board preamps in the HX stomp though, I'd consider running stereo to FOH only (both to the PA) as it will simplify your rig. Obviously if this doesn't sound as good and its worth bringing the amp / mic'ing it up - then do it, but thats another option to consider.
What do you call a single source into two independent chains of mono effects, two independent amps with independent cabs or IRs then panned Left and Right?
Some would say that's stereo, others would say that's dual mono...
How would it work if I want to have a stereo pedalrig but always go direct to PA when playing live or at rehearsal. I don’t have amps (head or combos). Would this work? I don’t know much about any of this haha
It can work, yes! Depends a bit on where you're amp simulator is, but you can get away with all three. You would just need a way to sum your signal. Your amp sim might be able to do this or you could look at our Output TX for a simple way to do it as well. Stereo (no summing), Dual mono (sum with Output TX and if you want add a double tracker to one side or delay slightly in post production OR don't delay at all and just EQ in post/sound desk), mono sum your signal and only use one output.
Very helpful! My main question though is are you actually playing a sweet flying V in the video?
Josh. Of all the questions I answer on a day to day basis, this one hurts the most. I've always wanted a flying V, but never owned one. Im sad to say that no, the flying V is simply a hope and a dream. You're listening to a custom tele.
@@GoodwoodAudio I've been wanting one ever since watching School of Rock
@@joshfirlotte one day we'll have our flying V's
Why does the volume seem to go down during stereo playback vs either mono or dual mono?
honestly... probably just my lack of mixing ability. I'm slowly getting better, but a year ago when this was released I was definitely worse than I am today. haha
still confused..so for my purposes..i dont use real amps but record in Reaper using Neural DSP Plugins..do i need to use mono or stereo when recording electric guitar?
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Would this work using an ABY pedal into stereo pedals and switch between amps for different tones and then have both amps active for stereo?
depending on how you connect it all, but ya you do something like this. My main area of confusion here is if you're use FX loops or not (which is why I'd assume you're doing the ABY into wet effects)? Either way - lots can be done here with a bit of basic switching!
I need help, my guys. I know the Orange Rocker 32 has a stereo function when used a pedal. Can I have the same effect using a pedal to any amp? Like an AC15 C1? (only one speaker) or it can only work in very limited amps with 2 speakers?
Good question. The Rocker 32 has a stereo FX loop which is the key feature here. There are a ton of 2 speaker amps that don't have a stereo fx loop / stereo capability which means you will only ever be able to run 1 input to them. It's pretty rare to have a single amp that's stereo (like the rocker 32). The most common way to do this is with 2 separate amps.
@@GoodwoodAudio thank you so much
How can summed stereo (mentioned in other videos) be considered stereo when you are discarding your dry signal and then sending the same signal to each of your two amps? Aren't you just converting stereo into dual mono?
Let me make sure I understand. Apologies if I don't. So our definition of stereo is when two amps from the same board are getting different information from the same pedal (like a ping pong delay). When you're NOT summed (the delay is 'bouncing back and forth' between amps) that is stereo. When you sum that signal and both amps get the same repeat at the same time, that is dual mono (or one amp gets the repeats only - mono). So you're correct, when summed, it is no longer stereo (although some people would disagree with me). Apologies if that wasn't explained well in the vid!
Hi! Can I use a stereo y cable to run 2 amps instead of having 2 regular cords?
A stereo Y cable is typically made with Ring sending to one output and Tip to another. It's a bit different than getting a Mono (TS) split cable. This is a passive split where a TS (mono) cable is sending to two mono outputs. We don't offer these off the website, but can make them custom. However, I would always recommend a buffered split on your output instead. You will notice a difference in tone if you passive split right before your amp. But in theory, yes, you can do this.
How do you run multiple stereo pedals? Is there something you plug all the B output cables into before the second amp?
good question. If you had a delay and reverb you want to run in stereo, the simplest way is to run the right output of the delay into the right input of reverb, right output of reverb into right amp input. Repeat with the left side of the signal path...Left out of delay into left in of reverb, left out of reverb into left amp. You can repeat this for as many stereo pedals as you have (left out to left in to left out to left in...repeat for right side). The first stereo pedal will be a mono input (left input only) and then from that pedal on you will run the left and right side of the signal path.
@@GoodwoodAudiowith the Strymon pedals (or others I suppose!) is it true that they sum the stereo inputs to mono in the pedal? So the question I’m wondering is, would the ping pong of the Timeline be retained after the Big Sky? I couldn’t tell if you had the reverb after the delay engaged in the audio clip. There’s loads of misinformation about this online so would really appreciate some clarity!
When I’m running stereo when I run delay from the fox loop to amp number 2 fxloop doea anything need to go to the input of amp 2 ?
This is a big topic. In short... you can do this a few different ways. You can run two independent FX loops (input, FX send and FX return of each amp is used). This poses some potential challenges with isolation and phasing though. Not impossible, but potentially quite difficult. The other option is to run to the input of ONE amp, FX send to board, then stereo return to both power amps (one amp using full FX loop, the other amp is only using the power amp). This is a much easier / some people would say preferred way of doing it. But i'd try both and see what you prefer.
About to run a my stereo signal through a prs archon 50 w/ 2x12 Mesa v30s & fender bassbreaker 15 combo w/Celestion G12V-70. Both amps with be separately mic'd and ran to the audio board. What issues might I have and how do I solve them. My final three pedals are stereo - TC Corona Chorus. BOSS DD200, Strymon Flint
Main issues. Ground lift and phase correction. make sure your amps are good there. Chorus pedals run stereo in 2 main ways. Dry thru on one side and chorus on the other or both sides seeing chorus. If the latter, you will run into some phasing issues when summing chorus (decreases the effect). Delay sums well. Stereo tremolo (assuming its going far left far right..etc) will also have phasing issues. Generally, delay and verb sum well. Modulation not nearly as well. This is why we have two types of summing in our boxes (stereo sum = for mainly delay/verb users) and split sum (for stereo modulation lovers). No summing method is going to be 'perfect' though. Its not physically possible. Summing is great if an amp dies mid set and you need a quick solution OR if you mainly sum delay and verb. Hopefully that makes sense! We did a video a while back on summing specifically that goes through a bit of this in more detail.
@@GoodwoodAudio the fender combo has a ground lift switch, so in think ill be good there. Im may order one of your pedals if the weekend doesn't work right.
@@GoodwoodAudio what is your shipping time?
@@MattMacKo Currently we get orders shipped within 2 days. We've struggled to keep our junctions in stock recently though. So they are out of stock (for certain pedals) at the moment.
Would there be much difference in the sound between have everything wired in mono to one amp vs having everything wired stereo then summing but still only going to one amp?
Very good question. The answer is..... maybe. haha. It depends on what you're summing. This is why we have two types of summing built into every product so you can decide what is better. Both types of summing have pros and cons. If you sum a stereo (panning) tremolo for instance, it will completely disappear when summed. If you sum a digital delay though, it will sound the same summed or in mono. Generally speaking, some modulations are reduced when summed, and delays and verbs do quite well summed (when talking about merging signals). Our other type of summing (split sum) makes sure there is no cancellation, but to do this you need to mute half the stereo field. Again, depending on what stereo effects you use, this has pros and cons as well.
@@GoodwoodAudio awesome thanks! So for purely delay and reverb, the first summing option is best?
Hello sir, I have a multieffect guitar that has a left right output.. I have a powered speaker that has two inputs.. if I connect the Left output multieffect to the first input on the speaker and the Right ouput multieffect to the second input on the speaker, is there sound the result is stereo??
Hey! This completely depends on the specs of the speaker. If the speaker / cab isn't designed to be stereo, then no it won't work. But if it's designed with 2x speakers in it and input 1 is connected to speaker 1 and input 2 to speaker 2, then you will be able to run stereo! I'd talk to the speaker manufacturer.
In the dual mono with one 4ms delay scene, did you kill dry? or how many % mix? I wondered this thx in advance XD
Man... it's been a while. I believe it was kill dry but I can't say 100% since it was so long ago! Sorry for the lack of detail.
4:19 Mono
4:31 Dual
4:43 Stereo
Hello what abount when you have a amplifier stéréo and a préam stéréo in rack (exempl : mesaboogie 50/50 + engl 530) + 2 Hp marshal separaate ? thank you
there are a few approaches to this... I'd need to know a few more specifics here. But in short, you can just run to the front of each amp (easiest way) or you can use 1x FX loop and the other amp(s) as FX Return only (only using the power amps of the other amplifiers)... There are a bunch of options here! Main thing to make sure you are aware of though is ground loops and phase issues and making sure you have a way to correct these.
@@GoodwoodAudio Thnak you for your answer. My configuration is my amp stéreo (mesaboogie 50/50) connect to my preamp stereo (Engle 530). I have two HP Marshal connected on the mesaboogie .. Ai-je besoin d'un autre ampli ?
can we use this on records
Hi....I got multieffects and i 'd like to know if i can use the ping pong delay to get a real Stereo sound in my two amps? Thank's
depends on the multi-effects unit you have. Typically yes, but really depends on the make and model! I'd ask the manufacturer if you're not sure.
I got a question tho. In stereo rig, having my last pedal stereo (for the stereo wet), and the preceding pedals are mono (presumably delay and reverb) will it still have this panning/stereo effect even if the last pedal, which is also the only stereo is off/bypassed?
You'll only get that panning effect for the pedals you have connected in stereo, and even then only if that stereo effect is designed to do that panning effect. For reverbs it's generally some modulation that you will hear 'moving' left and right - so it's minimal. You won't get any panning for pedals before the WET though. When you're only running mono on the wet (one cable out to one amp) you will not hear any panning either.
@@GoodwoodAudio I see, so I mean, my rig will be stereo and I have mix stereo and mono pedals, and the last pedal is stereo connected to separate amps. I suppose I can get the panning effect with these. I got curious because someone told me that I can still get the mono pedals before my stereo pedal act somehow like stereo, ( Im not sure if its real or not) if we assume it does, If the last pedal(which is stereo is bypassed/turned off) will still act the same.
Well I guess I need to know first if that assumption of mono pedals in front of stereo pedal connected to 2 amps will get a stereo vibe as well.
I appreaciate the reply. Just subbed!
@@GoodwoodAudio sorry I think I got it mixed up with my first question. Lol. Thanks btw. I appreciate your vids
@@TheTruth70777 it's possible the person who told you that might have meant that the mono pedal will send its effect to both amps (which is true), but a mono effect will never pan / have movement between the two amps. That isn't possible unfortunately. I hope Im understanding. Feel free to email me - info@goodwoodaudio.com if you want to talk about it further! I check that more often.
@@GoodwoodAudio I appreciate it mate! Now its all clear to me. He probably meant it that way. I guess I will settle on my dual mono rig for now. Enjoying it. Thank you will sure email you I got any questions.
my file is stereo but same file i just duplicate become stereo i put amplifier L and R ,when i have file mono is it sound will be the same
Let me repeat this back to make sure Im understanding. Are you asking if a pedalboard wired in stereo will sound the same as a pedalboard wired in stereo but summed to mono? If so - no. Some effects sum much better than others (modulation doesn't sum very well as an example, but delay and reverb are much more friendly to summing). So if you're planning on running mostly mono, wire your board in mono. If you're planning on running mostly stereo and only using mono rarely - wire it for stereo and have a summing option. Does that answer your question?
Is there a way to run stereo and run thru an FX loop??
There is! The easiest way is if you have an amp with a single pre-amp and a stereo power amp (mono after your dry effects, mono send to your first effect in the FX loop, stereo return after your last wet effect to the power amp).
If you wanted to run true stereo through two different amps with FX loops it's a bit of an isolation / routing nightmare... Very pricey to do and not very practical.
Something like a Kemper is very common since you can do a stereo return on it. Downside is it's not a real amp! Hope that makes sense.
How do I create a dual mono setup? My reverb pedal output is mono and I use a trs splitter into my presonus eris 3.5 the problem is that only 1 channel works either left or right.
You can do it buffered with either Interfacer, Output or Underfacer (some of our junction boxes) or you probably need to double check that your splitter isn't an insert cable... It needs to be a TS (NOT TRS) plug that sends to 2x TS plugs on the other end. A standard one of these cables is a TRS plug that sends to 2x TS plugs... these won't work.
@@GoodwoodAudio I had the TRS to dual TS plug it used to work with my multieffects. I just got a $36 used stereo pedal and now I have left right on both pedals into left right input of my studio monitor.
There's not a lot of products that lands here in Philippines.
@@Funkfreed so are you saying you've got it all sorted now? If so - great!!
@@GoodwoodAudio yep not the prettiest solution but I guess it's cheaper
@@Funkfreed Great!
Hi! For the hx stomp with one stereo fx send then going to a pedal with 2 input is it ok to use one patch cable for that or do I need to split a cable from stereo fx send to the pedal? Pls. I’m going to a stereo fx loop. With my hx aromp and bigsky and timeline.
if you have to keep the stereo send stereo (if you're running something stereo before the FX Send...like a stereo block or even a stereo pedal before HX stomp) then yes, you need an Insert cable (or TRS to dual mono cable) for that.
@@GoodwoodAudio ues I have blocks in stereo on the stomp. Thanks! Appreciate that. Btw are based on US? I plan on buying a cable from you guys just don’t know how much it is on Canadian dollars.
@@gerardvirgo5755 we have a shop in the US, Vancouver (Canada) and Sydney Australia... Wherever you buy from it will ship from the closest shop... BUT the whole site is in US dollars. Does that make sense? Feel free to email me and I can invoice you directly in any currency.
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But what if I want a stereo rig, but adding the wet effects in the FX Loop? Thanks
Also doable! You just need a send/return after your dry FX... I did a LIVE on this on insta. Check out the link. instagram.com/reel/C4JeBuAy31n/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
@@GoodwoodAudio So, in this case, the second preamp is not used completely, it receives an already pre-amped signal that is the input of the final section of this amp. Right? Thanks
What if I do stereo and introduce a 4ms delay? 🤔
Do you need a stereo output jack and cable to run stereo?
Do you mean in general? Typically to run stereo you need to plug in the Left and Right output (some pedals use TRS jacks in which case you need a specialized cable for stereo). Then you need to run the left and right cables to either two amps OR to the sound desk if using an amp simulator.
How did you do the delay between the two channels though?
This was so long ago... I THINK it was either a keeley 30ms or in post production simulating what I used to do live in monitors / FOH.
The examples at the end really caught me off guard. I was not expecting to like the sound of dual mono the most. And I was not expecting to like the sound of dual mono with delay the second least and stereo the least.
fun little experiment!
Best thing to do is' go by the bassic instructions he showed and try it yourself' you'll end up answering most of your own questions.
I got my pedalboard running stereo, I got a dual delay but I don’t here my dual delay in my IEMS
could be your IEMs are in mono / mixing your stereo signal down, one side of your stereo signal might be muted... something after your delay messing with your stereo field...could be a few things tbh. I'd chat with your sound person to troubleshoot in real time!
Dual mono with the amps spread in the room is stereo, and is even more so if delaying one.
Not disagreeing... But when a guitar player (typically) is talking about stereo it's referring to stereo effects... so even if - in this context - the guitarist is technically wrong (myself being one of them) it's a colloquial term that's worth clarifying / addressing.
I want that interfacer
A digital one? I'll sell you the NFT. haha. If you want a REAL one, e-mail me, info@goodwoodaudio.com and I can put you on a waiting list!
Anyone try running to walrus audio SLO Reverb pedals together dual mono such a great Reverb. (corrected) 😉
Ive had customers run dual mono reverbs (not the slo) but worked quite well! Just more complex on the routing side of things obviously. But you can pair different reverbs in parallel to get a different sound as well.
I ran the Slo into a gfi specular verv v3. Magic happened. I will correct my statement on the slo the ball has not been dropped at all
@@LoVeAmBiEnT haha good to know!
Dual mono sounds great
Agreed!
How to add the 4ms delay?
Great question. There are a couple ways. You can get your sound guy to do it for FOH only (only the audience hears it), this is least preferable. You can get a Double Tracker pedal (keeley, TC electronics and a couple others make these). For recording, you can do it as well with a pedal or in post production.
I like very much..dual mono.
Dual mono and delay sounded good
Im a fan as well!
Can anyone help with why my fx loop has a send, but 2 returns? A left and right...
it's a stereo FX loop. Mono send, stereo return. YOu won't need to use both returns, you could keep it in mono, but you could run a mono send to a pedal (or pedals), split to stereo and return in stereo if you wanted!
@Goodwood Audio thank you very much, good looking out.... So I have some of the boss 200 & 500 series pedals which have two mono outs & ins, (an A & B in and out). Would I just run another cable thru both pedals and then finally into my stero outs?...
Lol I just play guitar. I never thought it'd be wise to learn actual audio engineering. Thanks again for answering my question earlier.
@@mug1222 Correct! Your first stereo pedal can just have the A input plugged in...then A and B out to A and B in so on and so forth until you hit your amps.
@@GoodwoodAudio would this not be stereo, technically, rather dual mono?... again, thank you for all your responses. U've been a tremendous help.
@@mug1222 depends on a few things.1. who you talk to. Some people consider stereo to be anything with two sound sources (dual mono included). Which I don't think is wrong. But if you talk to a guitar player they will associate stereo with effects that transfer between the L and R amp. So the above is stereo imo. If you then summed that stereo signal you could get dual mono as well.
2. the effects you use. A lot of effects, even though they have a L/R in and out aren't moving back and forth in an obvious way between the L and R outs. Strymon Flint as an example.. the trem comes out both outputs in dual mono.
I'm too indecisive, I like them all!
that's my problem too... that's why I have all as an option! ha.
And what about stereo effects loop?
As in a mono send stereo return? Like on a Kemper? OR are you thinking a stereo FX loop between two separate amps? If the latter, much more complicated in terms of isolation. You'd need 3 audio transformers to do this properly which can be quite expensive. Not impossible though! You could still make a rig that does all of the above, including a stereo FX loop, it would just be a bit more involved to get it all routed.
@@GoodwoodAudio amp with 2 speakers, mono left. mono right and return. Can we name that this is stereo setup?
What if i have a dual speaker combo?
Do you mean a dual speaker combo but one amp (mono) running that dual speaker combo? If so - everything I mention referring to 'mono' applies to you still!
@@GoodwoodAudio yeah, I meant this one. It has one preamp and 2 speakers(Marshall jcm 2000 tsl 602)
@@トワイライトフクロウ nice!
I was surprised to find I actually preferred the dual mono (no delay) over the Stereo in this example.
Its a cool sound eh. One thing a lot of players don't consider is how you can actually use both seamlessly in a song. You can use Dual Mono on a Verse and swap to stereo in a chorus to add some dynamic to your sound / change the feel.
Keep it simple Mono ,, no out of phase to worry about..
This is true!
I have a 50w Plexi and a 50w Silver Jubilee handwired clone amps. Can I connect both these amps to my 4x12 cabinet and blend the sound together? How exactly would I wire that? Both my amps can do 4/8/16 ohms, and my cabinet has 3 inputs: an 8ohm Left stereo input that is also a 4ohm mono input, an 8ohm Right stereo input, and a 16ohm mono input.
I'd like the tones of my two amps to be blended. What about my effects? Would I put my pre-amp effects like overdrive and wah in front of the Plexi, and then all my other effects like reverd and delay in the FX loops of the Jubilee? I always thought that SOME effects needs to be in an FX loop in order to not mess up your signal. Is that right? Thanks!
this is tricky. Not sure of the best way to do this. I've never heard of two amps being mixed (right before the cab) like this. Not really sure to be honest!
@@GoodwoodAudio Oh really? Am I confusing myself? I thought that the way to mix amps was to simply plug your guitar into an A/B/Y switch, then plug one output of the A/B/Y into amp 1 and the other output into amp 2. Did I word my inquiry strangely? I want to use 2 amps, with 1 cabinet, while also being able to use effects that are typically prior to the amp (overdrive, distortion, etc) AND be able to use effects that would usually be in an FX loop exactly like that. Basically, I want to run everything the way I have it right now, except I want 2 amps mixed together. Am I confused? New to this lol!
@@ruggie.74 ya, you want to be careful if you're ever switching multiple amps into one cab. YOu don't want the connection to the one cab to be lost (can damage your amp). Radial has a product for this I'm pretty sure. You're correct on the ABY routing... the only part that makes me nervous is the 'one cab' bit. that's where you want to be careful.
those audio examples defo don't sound right. Something funny going on there. Stereo sounds proper phased and the guitar isn't central in the image, it should be down the middle with fx surrounding it (unless using some form of chorus that delays dry sound on L/R). On Dual mono the L output is digitally distorting.
After recommending that we wear headphones for this video I have to ask - for someone who is such an "expert" on audio, how can you f**k up the volume balance any worse? I had to sit with may hand on the volume control so I would be prepared to turn the volume down several db's every time you changed scenes. I changed my approach and just stayed ready to rip the headphones off in anticipation of the volume jumps.
ya, sorry about that. This was done very early on... it's an older video when I was very much figuring out premiere pro... It's since been corrected. Hope your ears are ok.
@@GoodwoodAudio - after reading my comment again I meant that to just be a sarcastic remark not the basement trolling it came out as. I shouldn't have worded it that way. Sorry about that and yes the volume jump only got me once, I was ready for it after that....and you're right, it is most effective listening on headphones.
Just bought a 70's Russian guitar that is true stereo with 4 pickups. It has a pan knob for each pickup. Off on for each pickup. Can switch to have top and bottom strings on separate sides.
Also has a high/low pass filter knob. And a mute function block you pull out to dampen the strings for a muted sound. Has a strange plug instead of a quarter inch. I disconnected the 2 wires and am trying to wire to a stereo jack. I have sound going to the amp. But I want it wired to a stereo jack. I thought their would be 3 wires. Only 2. Any ideas?
woah! sounds like a spaceship. Two wires total? As in ground and tip? Or two wires plus ground? Sounds like the former... In which case, no... I agree if it's a stereo output guitar, it should have Tip, Ring and Sleeve.
Mono! Just Mono!😌
What if i connect it to a mixer? like using it for church. Sorry i dont really have knowledge about this. I know how to play guitar but im i dont know about this stuff
Can you explain a bit more? Do you mean connect the output of your board to a mixer? Doable, but you'll want an amp and cab sim to take the place of plugging into a real amp (or amps).
So its like from my boss gt-1 multi effects pedal to a mixer.
@@Pamjay22 I guess so! If the GT1 is your cup of tea, you're good to go.
I like dual mono to be honest.
I'm a big fan as well. There's a lot you can do with it.
the dual mono with a 4ms delay just sounds out of phase
ya. I noticed that after the fact a bit as well. Didn't translate as well as I had hoped. It's a great tool with amps using in ears / sound desk, but didn't work as well as I'd hoped in this example. Probably my lack of engineering skills (of which there are many haha)
@@GoodwoodAudio I really have no room...
super loud music in between talking points and low voice audio. where i have to keep changing my volume levels. very annoying...
100% agree... It's an old video and we've changed this since then. SOrry!
All I heard were phase issues...
stereo sounds more quiet
my lack of audio engineering experience no doubt. haha.
A Mono signal will stay a Mono Signal no matter what you do to it. A single mono electric Guitar output can never become a Stereo Signal. All you do in the section you call "Stereo" is to add an artificial Stereo like Effect to a single Mono Signal . The Effect might qualify as artificial Stereo but the underlying Signal stays the same Mono signal that came from the Guitar.
You can make an easy experiment to prove that: Place your "Stereo" Rig on a Stage and place a listener in the Stereo triangle, now take your electric guitar and walk from the left of the stage to the right side of the stage, walk back and forth, walk off the stage and behind the listener. The listener in the Stereo Triangle will always hear the exact same thing no matter where you are in the room.
Therefore all you hear is a Mono Signal with some added panning effects, definitely not true Stereo and barley artificial Stereo.
Your stereo example was the exact same as dual mono! I thought this was going to be real and accurate..
What makes you think it wasn't? Totally depends on the stereo effects you're using. "Stereo" on the timeline (as an example) isn't always going to be pingpong delays. Very few algorithms on the TL are actually 'stereo' delay. Most are just stereo modulation. It's been ages since I did this video... but the examples were as listed... Mono / Dual Mono and Stereo.
It wasn't the same. Check your hearing.
No...
i got a new boss rc5 looper and im struggling to get a good sound quality when i loop wit the drum machine, should i get stereo cables????
Im not sure stereo would fix this... Depends on what you mean by bad sound quality. I'd check with Boss first / read the manual to see if there are any settings you can adjust to help with this!
In the dual mono scenario, how would you delay the second amp? Would you do that from the delay pedal itself or would you need an amp that has this feature?
Check out the TC Electronic Mimiq OR the Keeley Double Tracker. You can also do this in post production if you're recording (and want some more control)
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