Is 40K back on track?! June 2024 Balance Update! | Warhammer 40,000 10th Edition State of Play
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- The new Balance Dataslate is here! Join Spider, Chef and Bard, as they break down the changes and what this means for both casual and competitive play! With a huge range of changes affecting the game, join Spider, Bard and Chef as they discuss what these updates mean for both competitive and casual games alike in the 41st Millennium!
00:00 Intro
01:31 Modifying Stratagem Cost
05:10 Using Duplicate Stratagems
05:58 Stratagems which preventing Shooting Attacks (ie getting "Lone Operative")
07:01 Stratagems which add units to your army
07:40 The "Missing" Balance Dataslate Rules
08:55 Adepta Sororitas
09:02 Adeptus Custodes
12:25 Adeptus Mechanicus
22:39 Aeldari
23:04 Astra Militarum
24:42 Black Templars & Blood Angels
25:38 Chaos Knights & Imperial Knights
29:01 Chaos Space Marines
30:54 Chaos Daemons
32:50 Dark Angels
39:27 Death Guard
40:12 Deathwatch & Drukhai
40:33 Genestealer Cults & a full Team Rant!
44:58 Grey Knights
45:42 Leagues of Votann & Necrons
46:15 Orks
48:13 Space Marines
49:26 Space Wolves
51:24 T'au Empire & Chef Rant
54:29 Thousand Sons
56:17 Tyranids & World Eaters
58:41 Core Rules Updates and Erratas
1:00:01 The Most Important Rule Commentary Ever
1:01:04 Redeployment Abilities & Unit Coherency
1:01:42 Out of Phase Rules, Battle-shock & Persisting Effects
1:03:02 Moving Overhanging Models
1:05:04 Moving Units - Straight Lines and Pivots (ie The New Jank)
1:12:09 Firing Deck & Eligible Targets for Abilities
1:12:39 Mortal Wounds - Hazardous
1:13:33 Mortal Wounds - Devastating Wounds (remain calm!)
1:15:48 Indirect Fire
1:16:28 Extra Attacks & Characteristic Reductions
1:16:50 Deep Strike instead of Strategic Reserves & Attached Units/Leaders
1:17:48 Core Stratagem Changes
1:20:30 Ruins & Units that become Battleline
1:22:22 Final Thoughts
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Honestly codexs should be lore and art, rules should be like a free app or a pdf that you can print
I wouldnt mind the codexes being an end of edition collectors item
So once the edition is coming to an end they release the physical codex with all the art and lore and the final state of the rules
@@thomy1516 That's actually really smart. Then it would make it far easier to play old editions... Too smart of an idea for GW to actually do it.
I will pay for lore+art+showcase, maybe with Combat Patrol and Crusader rules? Since no one cares🤦🏻♂️
Yup. The codexes are being made obsolete so fast now. AdMech codex is basically a waste of money now with so many changes to that book. They should just reprint that book.
💯
GW: “We need to make changes that won’t trigger a Chef rant.”
Players: “I hope these changes trigger a Chef rant.” 😜
I would pay extra for a "Chef's Rants" tab on the website. 🙂
I'm Grey Knights focused and I really love the GK bit in the video! Freaking hilarious how Lawrence reacting to Vortex of Doom changes and the Chef's response to that "Don't care..."
The way I see it is that it's very concerning when you have to produce an extensive document just to clarify the most basic thing as moving units, something very bad has happened.
Agreed. I was super hyped about 10th, but my motivation for this edition is starting to wane. Like how do you screw up the movement rules where you need to address it? Ridiculous.
@@erichschoenholtz5170 yeah one of my best mates is desperate to play combat patrol but I just can't get enthused
Or you don’t address it, and let it be bad for 4 years.
I’d argue that the new movement rules are quite clear. The problem is that when you try to take that rule and apply to a wide variety of models that have been made over three decades and with tons of different ideas, standards and rules that applied during their own respective time, you’re going to have models that just don’t behave quite right.
I just started playing and getting into Warhammer so I understand more or less 20% what they're talking about but it's still educational and entertaining so... thanks guys!
Good news you only need to focus on your faction. A good opponent will explain what their units do
@@phillipbell8236 I'm using Grey Knights so not much changes. Nevertheless I still can't play them well :D
Learning to master your teleportation will greatly improve your gameplay.
That just means practice practice practice
Play some 1000 point games as gk only have like 4 squads/units on the board then, makes it easy to learn your squads and the games are reasonably quick
So damn happy that the Deathwing Knights and Companions found the 'on' button for their swords.
Wish they could help their daddy do the same for his Sweep profile and Shield!
At least the Lion's FNP aura works against Mortals is useful now.
@@filwilliamson9149 for sure! Though it's also mildly silly how his very presence cools overheating Plasma!
His sweep is ap -3 and he has a 3+ invulnerable with his FNP 4+ vs mortals working again. What are you talking about?
@@LovedandTheLover When the codex supplement was released the Lion lost his -1 to wound rule on his shield, and his sweep went from 2 damage to 1. Despite the fact that the Lion wasn’t even that good in the first place, and was certainly not causing enough problems to justify nerfing him.
Edit: Also, Guilliman kept his 2 damage sweep, which bugs me a little.
@@LovedandTheLover quite literally what the gentlemen or lady above me commented!
Yes! I can now play my Dark Angels as Dark Angels without feeling like worse space marines. So happy!
I like the direction my guard thematically has been going as well.
Not quite they are still very bad
Can't get much worse than actually BEING codex space marines.
Yeh I mean I doubt they will be that good still, but certainly less painful. I think inner circle together with the death wing knights and companions buffs should do decently ok, at least maybe in the 45% win rate sort of zone.
I think this change potentially puts them closer towards the 50% than 45%. Inner circle will be having massively wide ranging discounts on CP and they have good strats. Unforgiven will be REALLY good with Pariah Nexus GT season rules, just being able to make every model +1OC when control of objectives is changes for scoring is insanely good
So I guess the paper rule book is just worthless along with the (some) of the datacards and index cards?
Not entirely useless. Just mostly 😑
I mean the crusade rules hold up, but wahapedia has all the Warhammer supplement books anyway so 🤷♂
The paper rule book was always worthless when the core rules were available for free in PDF and on the app.
They still got cool art and lore blurbs. Just less than any previous edition, and definitely not $60 worth of it.
I figured that out during the previous edition. Not buying any books anymore…
Where is the Triarch keyword for The Silent King Games Workshop?!?!
They’re more than happy to hand out (admittedly deserved) nerfs but give the “Triarch” keyword to the model that is made of the actual literal Triarch? Nope, that’s just too far I guess.
All i hear with Pivot, is Ross from FRIENDS
I really love watching Chef do reviews. Hilarious.
43:00 What you do with the codex is you change it. Make the codex a book for the Combat Patrol so the lore and stuff is still being released, keep the data cards and just have an app...
Time to grab a pencil and get to work…😅
The Warlord/Battleline rule is for situations where a list would technically be illegal for having 4+ copies of a non battleline unit because they don't gain battleline until you select warlord.
The Troupe Master giving Troupes battleline for example.
Apologies Chef if this sounds rude. You are my favourite in Tabletop Tactics team and I love your breakdowns. Every time you do a loud exhale slump your shoulder and say "So" I smile cause I now it will be a good one. Please keep doing these.
I've started playing dnd after watching your dnd episodes.
Ive played 40k for 17 years. The thing is with dnd is that its so much more social. Sometimes you just want to team up with your buddies..not blast them into next week. 😊
I played D&D before 40k and for most people I really think bringing the collaborative mindset into 40k helps make far better games. If you can work with your opponent to make sure both your lists are balanced against each other you will get far better games than if you just rely on GW's bewilderingly bad balance efforts.
All around great changes, but I wish they would bring in Detachment 'tax' to help balance internally!
I know the video team is busy doing tremendous work, so I was wondering how long until we see the games you’re playing start using this update (assuming you do).
All the games released from today will be using the new rules - we weren’t allowed to release them before today, due to the embargo held by GW.
Thats quite a hard hitting nerf to guard re:reinforcements.
Regards pivoting, needs clarifying the axis centre is the middle of the hull, neutral turn on tracked vehicles doesnt care what youve welded to the front.
Guard reinforcements were dumb though, especially considering how easily Guard gets CP with Lord Solar. They will likely adjust the points of the infantry at some point to account for it.
@@tajj7 You want even cheaper infantry?? Any Cheaper and and Infantry Squad costs as much as grots lmao. And if the problem is how easily guards get CP maybe change Lord Solar or make him more expensive so he isn't auto include into every single army instead of nerfing a Fun and Flavorful Strategem.
@@MrDefender1234 I don't think they meant 'cheaper' when saying IG Infantry will get Pts adjusted.
21:45 its not a six sided die issue. It's an issue of having fixed stats. If we look at old world then we can see, if two custodes came and attacked eachother they'd be hitting one another on 4s, but against a guardsman they'd be hitting the guardsman on 2s and he them on 5s.
Hitting on 2s in shootings is a problem in 40k because they've decided there should only be 5 tiers of stats. 6+, 5+, 4+, 3+ and 2+. Yet Old World allows for hitting on 7s, and on better than 2s without achieve a 100% hit rate. 40k is limited by a desire to not have people learn more core rules and instead put the difficulty in copious amonts of army bloat.
So bobby G and the Lion can open doors, but they can't ride in landraiders? One of the only audiobooks I've listened to has Roboutte in his own personal landraider for about a 1/4 of the story.
Man they forgot about the stompa! It also has the titanic walker ability just with a different name.
That model is so big it needs this change even more.
They also forgot the spider walkers (Defiler, Soulgrinder), which still cannot pass a 4" wall if there's a flag pole rising to 4.1" somewhere on the same terrain piece. I mean they are certainly not as horrid to move as a stompa, but still. It was the identical rule before. Now only knights get the better one :(
@@Fargrath Based on the meta watch video most likely they only did Knights since its an army rule and not an idividual datasheet ability (it probably should be part of the core rules since its so common) and they don't want to include a change to all 20 datasheets.
They should have done what they did with vect and say that every ability that is like this is not like this.
I'll soon finish building my first ever army and it would have been nice if my stopa had gotten this change.
My Golden Boys are happy! Also the Born Soldiers updates make good sense, apart from in the case of the Anti-Infantry Punisher 😂
It makes good sense, but it's probably a slight nerf overall in my opinion
"Golden boys." Uhm half of them are women bigot
@@jacob5700 Given the fact that you no longer have to remain stationary to trigger the Lethal Hits it's more of a buff overall. Getting stuff onto objectives or in place to score secondaries is really important and remaining stationary is usually how you fail at that. Additionally, I've found the best games I've played have had a solid amount of terrain that blocks line of sight so if you remain stationary you also have to rely on your opponent putting stuff where you can see it. This update means you can put pressure on the midfield and move into better positions and still get Lethal Hits.
@@TrustedSmokie8829 It's true it'll probably get used more often, but killing infantry was never an issue for Guard and this makes Guard infantry a lot worse at killing monsters/vehicles.
Add Reinforcements are once per game now. I think we'll see a big shake up in the Guard meta and overall the faction will be worse.
@@jacob5700 it's really shortsighted; half of the guard units do not have Regiment/Squadron keywords (so never get lethal hits) and artillery is now going to be unplayable. Overall a really hard nerf.
YES! The Admech shooty army can finally shoot with 3+ in Protector! And we're cardstock instead of paper :D
They HAVE to keep printing the points in the books.
I know for a fact there are a number of casual players that don't use apps, don't want to download secondary online points sources, etc and just play casually with their friends. Those people NEED points to be in the book in order to play with their friends. And those people do not care about balance updates.
I guess that’s all well and good for them but I admit im baffled by the mindset.
I honestly watched this video just for the facial expressions of the lads on the desk. I laughed almost the whole way through this it was so humorous! Thanks lads love your work.
Technically can still move with a curve cause you say you move a fraction of a mil straight, rotate, repeat.
Thanks for creating such great content as always. I hope the super heavy walker rule extends to the other super heavy walkers such as the stompa, gorkanaut, morkanaut, stormsurge, etc.
Most of those changes appear to be very sensible. I'm surprised and astonished that GW actually cleaned up this many issues in one go.
Quite happy with this. Thank you Gents for going over it.
Looking forward to trying Admech again, thanks for your perspective guys!
Sadly it’s too much for my brain and wallet to keep up with. Just sold my GSC army and moved over to middle earth, Titanicus and Necromunda. Still love the 40K universe, but I’ll stick with reading the books.
THANK YOU for stressing the integration of the updates into the core rules. Please continue to stress this!
Thanks guys, great breakdown!
Don't understand, like or get the reason behind the pivot move?
Think some internal balance was again missed for some factions (like crons) but I guess they had a lot to change already!
The reason is because moving around terrain was awkward with bigger models. If you had to change your facing twice in one move, you basically didn't get to go anywhere.
Im on board with the changes but for me im losing my excitment for the game with the costs. Even with a good job etc I cant justify all the extra costs. Buying cards multiple times, codex locked in the app that i pay a subscription for etc. I feel like im being nickled and dimed as the months go on. Im ok with expensive models in theory if all the extra stuff around them was like 50% cheaper. a little bit of customer friendliness would go a long way. I can of course choose not to get these extra things but then i dont feel part of the hobby.
Maybe make all that part of the hobby. Print out the datacards and put them on some cards. Also, if you have already paid for the rules, I would think that you are justified in using various workarounds to get the rules without ongoing costs.
I hear this! Also, with the speed of content and model updates I am less and less confident that the models I pay good money for will stay relevant/still be usable in a few years.
I've got a young family and manage a game once a month or so but it feels as though the rules for my units change drastically over the course of a year. The books simply aren't worth it, and seemingly neither are the cards.
There are online sources of the rules that don’t cost anything (Ex: Wahapedia), and in my experience people aren’t going to decide if you’re part of the hobby based on if you bought the rulebooks and cards. Most of the people I’ve met or played with don’t have the books or cards for their units and use online sources instead.
Don't buy the extra stuff. You don't need it. There's plenty of free resources to print up cards &/or have 'em digitally. & in the newest iteration of the rules, as well.
& one "The App" shared among friends/gaming group goes a long way to keeping things cheap. If everyone in a group puts their Codex Codes into the same shared app, it's awesomeness.
40k is never going to be cheap but you can definitely cut costs a lot if you try.
To be fair, in the past, Gets Hot! on plasma weapons would deal a wound to the model, and it coulduse its armor to save it.
On vehicle movement... Do we need to bring back the different speeds and the 45degree turn template? Oh and weapon mount point for line of sight?
Space marines got their main competitive detachment butchered.
They had their only barely competitive detachment nerfed into the ground. Now vanilla marines are unplayable.
I think you can still bend the tape measure. It´s then just an infinite amount of pivots and straight moves. So I think it´s not that complcated: If you do not bend the measure: move straight not changing the facing of the model. If you bend the measure, substract 2" and pivot it in the end as you like it.
That sounds nice and simple. So why does the pivot need to exist as a rule is our point 😅
@@thepastrychef8014because sometimes you don't have a choice but to pivot.
@@thepastrychef8014 well the "2 penalty is the key. Basically instead of having to measure both ends of your vehicle every time you turn, to make sure you aren't swinging your back end out too far you just pay a flat 2" to compensate. It should actually make things more streamlined if you're being a stickler about these things...
Edit: but you're probably right that now people are just gonna be arguing about whether you pivot about the exact centre or not. At least the old way if you measured both ends you could be sure you were doing it right
Speaking personally. I feel like Warhammer is very much like Netflix. Loads to watch but you end up flicking from thing to thing and nothing holds your attention for long. It’s so bloody difficult to keep up with the hobby.
I remember back in 3rd or 4th ed Orks could scratch build their own transports. A clever git at a tournament used a transporter over 3 foot long and cheesed the pivot rule to deploy his warband in the enemy deployment zone on turn one 😂
I wish tech priests also counted as battleline so you didn’t have to spam infantry but I get it.
Bjorn is pleased by the Vect change
Yes I am
Raiders and Ravagers are on round bases... ;-)
As a CSM player I', actually cosidering Kjonre Berzerkers over Legionnairies now, as they cost the same, get a blodsurge move and have the re-roll substitutet for S5 attacks. Seems better for non-character units anyways. They're also OC2, Battleline etc...
Funny thing is I just started playing warhammer 40K, now I have to figure out the pivot rules😅 All the other changes sound good though. Exited to get playing.
Im sad the change to movement change for Imperial Knights wasn't extended to models like the Stompa
I believe it is under a different name. They just didn't cover it here.
@@combatwombat2134 It's not. The movement changes for imperial and Chaos knights are faction specific (it's under their army rule). It hasn't been extended to Orks or any other titanic walker
@@DanthebobGaming oh, I thought I read someone commenting that. Oh well, sucks to be a Stompa. Again.
@@combatwombat2134 Yeah I saw the same comment but no. It's Knights only. That being said the Stompa in Dread Mob is still wild fun
Duplicate Stratagem rules just made T'au Empire's Retaliation Cadre Puretide Engram Neurochip enhancement utterly useless, but they haven't revised what that Enhancement does because what the hell is properly thinking ahead.
I think the guard got nerfed overall with the new detachment. Artillery indirectly got nerfed. Regiment and Squadron (besides artillery) is probably a wash.
Edit: Forgot the "has to be visible part". Artillery get shafted hard.
It does peeve me that anti-vehicle infantry and the reverse basically don't get a detachment rule.
Strange that codex spacemarines only got nerfs... wth?
Don't forget - you're also gonna have to pivot Bikers/Cavalry 🤦♂️
I am a new player just finishing painting my adeptus mechanicus army and I had to re watch the movement segment 3 times to wrap my head araund it
If they want vehicles to pay for a pivot then all vehicles need to be on a base.
Can I get an explanation as to how the Kroot Recursion Battle Tactic could be done for free? Every time I have looked at it and our local TO's have gone over it, it reads as though you cannot do so because he is no longer leading the unit when you use the battle tactic as you have to target them after they have already been removed from the board.
That Stratagem specifically states that it can target a unit even after it is destroyed (barring it being battleshocked when it dies), and if the Kroot leader is attached to that unit when it dies, it is still considered a part of that unit for the purpose of using that stratagem targeting its unit.
YES, finally GWS is doing good moves with non complient chapters, the only thing I would love to see is giving then new Army rules that are not Oath and they not being able to use Codex complient detachments. The space wolves detachment rule would work so well as an army rule i would love thaaaat!!
Does the imperial knight ignore terrain rule affect the stompa?
Sadly not
@@thepastrychef8014 I hope it's an oversight :(
Really happy to try out things with Angels updates for the first time since supplement, Knights and Companions look very solid! Still do not think Lion makes the cut... maybe someday
You did miss something on ruin visibility; overhang no longer counts for things with bases. Harridan can hide behind ruins. Bloodthirsters too. Vehicles and walkers without bases still use the whole model, but knights and stuff are walkers with bases and can hide as well. It's... quite a lot. You just use the base for visibility too and from now.
The rule has never mentioned overhang, so where does this change come from? I see no updates to the core rules on visibility (p8).
@@DM-ICE It's in the rules commentary update, and there is a LOT of stuff in there that's super important as well, let me post you the full text:
": The diagrams below illustrate how visibility
can be affected when units are within, wholly within or behind Ruins.
For Vehicles (excluding Walker models that have a base) or models
without bases, every part of the model and its base (if it has one) is
used for determining if it is not within, within or wholly within a Ruin.
For all other models, the model’s base is used to determine if it is not
within, within or wholly within a Ruin. If that model overhangs its
base, visibility to and from that model is determined only by its base."
@@KodyackCasual Wow! On page 27! Ty :)
I think the intention behind the new movement/pivot rules is a nice idea because technically if you moved 8" and then turned your dreadnought to face the thing it was going to shoot, the front of it's base moved more than 8" and changed its LOS profile. Never had anyone actually bother me about it but it is against RAW. The real problem with the pivot rule is going to be things like Drukhari Ravagers deep striking 9" away and then pivoting and only needing like a 6" charge.
If anyone does that they're not worth playing
Does my leader who has 1 wound on him now take the damage before the basic guys for mortal wounds? Based on the rules it's wounded first but also characters last???
My favorite part is where they moved Hierodules to legends without any notice...
I can't find the changes to stratagems in the balance dataslate, can someone help point me to the right direction so I can have a source for it?
The word salad that is the article on WarCom. That's the place to read.
Really like how born soldiers finally got changed to not be an artillery focused rule and now something the whole army benefits from minis a few non regiment/squadron units, definitely gives it more flavour of combined arms. Voice of command changes are nice for deepstriking with scion blobs with command, kasrkin with a castellan, and mech guard play. For a rules update I think think will help guard out a lot because we now have a proper detachment rule
Yes it feels a bit more thematic and impactful at the same time
Indirect took a big hit too. 1-3 always fails now
I hate it.
Anti tank infantry, like las cannon hwt now are better at shooting Infantry?
Anti infantry tanks are now better at shooting tanks?
Sentinels are great at everything and baneblades aren't any better at either ( ￣-￣)
@@arineko5356 Well GW sadly has never once in their Life been perfect at anything so of course cases like that exist. So yeah those sorta suck. But otherwise? I would call this a pretty good change.
Chef explaining all of these rules changes feels like that picture of Charlie day from the pepe sylvia episode of it’s always sunny
Good work James Workshop, this dataslate is good and in time more or less, now can you please add company heroes to the leader ability of Ragnar Blackmane? And we are still expecting next datasheet sept-oct.
Most of the changes look good. Now, if they would give CSM a melee detachment, I would be thrilled.
As a basic ass codex SM player , Custodes with extra AP all the time does NOT sound like a fun time 💀
More like 5+ sustain lethal all the time. Ap-2 is good enough for us.
Well I was just messing around with the new pivot thing with a kill rig and I realised the way I would have moved it with the previous rules I was swinging my back end out an inch more than I should have been able to. I think that's probably why they've done it, unless you're measuring both end of the vehicle every time you move it, it turns out it's kinda easy to accidenly cheat lol.
I dont think I can be bothered to keep up with all the changes anymore, but I appreciate the wrap up.
With my Ad Mech, I think my lists I used recently went up 10% at least for context.
Do Knights clear a path behind them for others to follow or do obstacles remain after a Knight moves through?🤔
The terrain remains. Alas, that would have been too cool for mortals to deal with 😅
Cheers 😂😂
I feel like this is mostly a buff for imp knights
Uriel Ventris second ability just became null pretty much then.
All space marine captain's got a nerf no points reductions?
Plus Gman Supreme Strategist has become more limited... still 350 points?
I'd say having less limits on your CP usage isn't a nerf. The double dipping sure, but that was silly and limited already
@@thepastrychef8014 I posted before realising you aren't limited to battle tactics anymore. So not so bad for the Captains. Still Ventris and Gman could do with some rewording.
Does the anti vehicle 4+ really stack with the detachment rule tho? The anti rule states that an UNMODIFIED roll of X triggers it.
We say it doesn't stack 🙂
@@thepastrychef8014 then my ears betrayed me. 😀
I think this is the only channel that completely ranted about a lot of the good changes.
My knight hops a fence and trips, then gets embarrassed.
Does mortarion and virulence helps the indirect tanks?
No, as always missing on 1-3 is not a penalty or stat reduction, just a rule that applies in that circumstance 🙂
Yea, this change makes them more or less useless.
@@thepastrychef8014 Surprised they didn't mention it honestly, those units didn't get any points decreses either
Does the Imperial Knights Rule walking thru terrain work for Ork Stompas?
No, that change is only for Imperial and Chaos Knight Titanic units
@@tabletoptactics Lame. Come on man, give Stompas some love! Wasted opportunity to make Stompas a little bit relevant in 10th.
Some improvements, I think I'm still waiting for 11th though.
Desolation Marines seem ok to take as IDF over others maybe since their ability ignores the negative modifier while stationary🤔
They'd still hit on 4s at best don't forget
Unmodified 1, 2 and 3s fail. That's it. There's no finangling or escaping that. Best you can do is get rerolls.
has any edition ever got so many core rule rewrites? its a bit exhausting reading through all the changes.
8th and 9th definitely received a ton of changes, not sure if this quickly though
Every GW set gets constant updates.
Been playing for 30ish years and the complaints used to be you would wait years. Now it happens so often it's an opposite problem
I wouldn't mind if they gave us a version of the rules as a whole. I understand why they keep just giving us a separate document to not invalidate page numbers, but its an incredible pain in the ass for people learning the rules and not just learning the changes.
@@erih2934 exactly! Also, playing competitively it is difficult to keep up with knowing how all your opponents army lists have been impacted and changed making it easier for cheating rats to thrive.
Why can't Wraithknights and Stompas walk through walls?
Thanks gents, a proper go through. Love these videos
Confused why it appears I am being punished for running Raven Guard or my Crimson Fists, in 8th and 9th I could win games. I honestly think I have won about 2 games in 10th, even when I got my codex, index armies were still leveling me 😂 Should I just be Black Templars? I don't get why they couldn't improve say the Vanguard detachment for Phobos or the Veteran detachment terminators and sternguard get some buffs etc. seriously a transport buff? erm... cheers!
The vanguard detachment was one of the best detachments in game not long ago, and is still very powerful and still has occasional tournament wins.
If you've won 2 games it's because you're not learning the game. I play deathwatch and my win rate is around 80%, a far cry from the 45% of whatever the data gives them.
On the last weekend deathwatch were actually the highest win rate, 67%. Very few players of course, that's largely why lol, but still don't look at these figures and think they mean much. A 45% win rate army would still yield almost half your games as wins.
So....my ad-mech can actually do some damage now? That's nice, I kinda feel like they made a typo on the conqueror doctrinal though, instead of +1 ap on all attacks I feel like that maybe should have had the world 'melee' in there. Or at least a range limit, so something like +1 ap on all attacks against a unit within 12" or something like that
My AdMech LIVE!!!!!! Happy robot noises
I don’t think there is enough differentiation between the DW Knights weapons.
I can’t see a world were the swords will be taken no matter the detachment.
The maces should have had 1 less attack (so 3A)
The sword should be S5 -2 2 (to match all other mastercrafted weapons) and maybe, maybe Sus1.
That was fast ❤
We don't muck about 😅
I hope that the move through terrain for titanic super heavy walkers gets farmed out to all factions not just the knights. And if GW feels daring, just let all titanic units be able to move through terrain like knights.
As someone who plays a lot of knights I actually like the new pivot stuff it just makes moving bigger stuff more simple.
It was too hard to keep track of people not pivoting correctly and such.
The only thing I don’t like about the dataslate is the fact my deathguard didn’t get the touches I wanted. Why can’t my terminators have AP 2 Damage 2?
It feels like this is making 40K even more shoot each other off the board. Guard lose most reinforcements and get more lethal for example.
Any more Old World coming to the channel?
(My current favorite GW game tbh.)
Not for the time being, it's being replaced by Sigmar for now
@@thepastrychef8014 Why?
@@trueseeingIt boils down to a few things, the first being a brand new edition of Sigmar, which we're looking forward to playing. The second is, as a business, producing content is costly, and Old World just doesn't have the interest atm to justify commiting to it alongside both 40k and AoS. It will return, just not yet 🙂
@@thepastrychef8014boo hiss
@@thepastrychef8014yeah if there is no old world content im unsubbing 😂, the other stuff just doesn’t interest me right now.
*akshually* mr chef, I'll have you know the bases I use are referred to as Oblate Spheroid, you philistine :)
As an admech player I feel we have suffered enough and now we have a chance to be competitive
Titanic models should be able to destroy buildings if they go through them and cause mortal wounds to anything in them.
Yeah!!!
why did Marines get nerfed? those darn divergent chapters should stop ruining things for us poor Codex Chapters.
Dark Angels got some life support, cause they were unplayable
@@PandaCool1 which is nice, but why does it come at the cost of Codex Marines? they don't even make 45%
@@emdeo Dark Angels were 43-44%
@@PandaCool1 Space Marines were 42%-43%, and got points increases and a detachment nerf. Dark Angels got Ironstorm nerfed and their own things buffed.
I want Codex Marines to be a viable choice!
@@emdeoi feel you
Shalaxi hellbane still 450pts :(
And skarbrand and the bloodthirster are the same points now
Although I do love that they made greater Daemons a bigger focal point for the army
Thanks for this! Always enjoyed your take on the state of play. Logical and common sense approach with clever banter mixed in. Glad that Astra Militarum can move and do lethal hits now (especially with the continued nerfing of indirect fire with point increases and rules changes) I thought GW missed the mark with Born Soldiers. I completely get and agree with regiment not getting lethal versus vehicle or monster, but Squadron units should get lethal versus all targets. Why only vehicle and monster? I do have a question about the daring recon ability of the scout sentinel I would like your opinion on. Since GW simply shoe-horned the "unmodified to hit roll of 1-3 always fails" into the Indirect fire rules, and Daring recon explicitly states attacks that have indirect fire ability, "it does not suffer the penalty to the Hit roll for shooting". So why wouldn't the penalty of rolling to hit 1-3 not be ignored just like the -1 to hit and the benefits of cover? Thanks for your feedback.
An unmodified 1-3 missing isn't a penalty as defined by the rules (that would explictly be a minus to Hit, which the Sentinels do still allow you to ignore), rathet it's just a state in game, hence it doesn't get ignored 🙂
@@thepastrychef8014 thanks!
@thespider... Bring back your DE!!!! Would like to see you play them more!
i still think gauss weapons and bolters need a buff. also the necron overlord needs some kind of +4 to hit monsters and vehicles because their ancient superweapons are seriously low on strength. Maybe a protocol for that and an anti infantry protocol to swap between
Overlords have a default S8 weapon with ap-3 they can get a melee lascannon at 3 damage.
Both with dev wounds.
For their cost they are already insanely durable.
I don't understand how the Free Strat change to -1CP reciprocates to the abuse envisioned? It seems a leap in logic to say it now activates an overall aura of increasing any/every Stratagem Cost amongst the listed Units. What am I missing?
I simply haven't/didn't see anything where GW changed the Once Per Game's of it. I think you guys missed the mark, jumped at shadows.
The Dataslate says replace the entire rule with the Lord of Deceit. All of those CP increasing rules state as the first line "Once per game", but it's still part of the rule, which is now replaced in its entirety.
Lord of Deceit doesn't say Once per game, it clearly says each time. We didn't miss anything or make any leaps- it's what the rule explicitly allows 🙂
@@thepastrychef8014 Ah, got it now, I see! You guys continued on into the Core Rules update where the Metawatch guys left off. I was confused/wondering how you guys were extrapolating from just what they said would make the +CP Starkiller situations. I didn't get that you guys were diving into more than just GWs vid at that point. 👍