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  • @guadalajara4848
    @guadalajara4848 Před rokem +163

    Take the logarithm of both numbers 40^39 and 39^40 : you then have to compare 39log40 and 40log39, or log40/40 and log39/39, which boils down to study the growth of the function logx/x (evaluated at 40 and 39). The derivative of logx/x is 1/x .1/x - logx . 1/x² = 1/x² . (1-logx) which is negative at 39 or 40. Hence, the inequality log40/40 < log39/39, and at last 40^39 < 39^40

    • @grin2groin._.624
      @grin2groin._.624 Před rokem

      Yeh that's what I initially did

    • @hillaryclinton2415
      @hillaryclinton2415 Před rokem

      Imdid this

    • @olerask2457
      @olerask2457 Před rokem +2

      I did the same 😊. It is clear that whenever the numbers (f.ex. 39 and 40) are greater than e, the same inequality holds, because logx/x is decreasing. If both numbers were smaller than e, the opposite inequality holds.

    • @peibol77spa
      @peibol77spa Před rokem

      I did almost exactly the same. But all iny head, simply graphing both the id and log functions in my head and noting that the growth between any two integers of the id function will always be bigger than the growth of the log function for x>1.

    • @jasmeet_singh2028
      @jasmeet_singh2028 Před rokem +1

      yea but this question is meant for 7 - 8 graders who dont know calculus

  • @robertodivito2375
    @robertodivito2375 Před rokem +59

    you can also use (1 + 1/n)^n < 3 (it comes from the definition of "e"). So you can evaluate (1+1/39)^39 / 39 < 3/39 = 1/13 < 1

  • @seroujghazarian6343
    @seroujghazarian6343 Před rokem +31

    x^(1/x) gets smaller for x>e, and since e40^39

  • @MichailLLevin
    @MichailLLevin Před rokem +13

    Solve in the general case, compare a^b vs b^a where a, b is real and a, b >= e
    a^b vs b^a
    (a^b)^(1/bc) vs (b^a)^(1/bc)
    a^(1/a) vs b^(1/b)
    analize function y=x^(1/x).
    Differentiate y(x):
    y' = -x^(x-2) * (log(x) - 1)
    for x > e: y'(x) < 0, therefore if a > b >= e then a^(1/a) < b^(1/b) => a^b < b^a
    In particular, 40^39 < 39^40, or e^Pi > Pi^e

    • @forcelifeforce
      @forcelifeforce Před rokem +1

      (a^b)^(1/bc) vs (b^a)^(1/bc) should be (a^b)^[1/(bc)] vs (b^a)^[1/(bc)] because of the Order of Operations. You need grouping symbols in the denominators.

  • @andreandw2916
    @andreandw2916 Před rokem +33

    You can write 40^39 as (39+1)^39, and use the binomian formula. You get 40 summands, where the first 2 summands are 39^39, and the 38 remaining are each much smaller than 0.5*39^39 - so 40^39 is smaller than 39*39^39.

  • @dem_hauke
    @dem_hauke Před rokem +22

    a short solution would be that (1 + 1/39)^39 = e and because e/39 < 1 40^39 is smaller than 40^39

    • @axelpacheco7470
      @axelpacheco7470 Před rokem

      That's an intuitive approach to it, but e is a transcendental number that can't be a product of nontrancendental numbers such as 39 🤓

    • @kicorse
      @kicorse Před rokem +6

      @@axelpacheco7470 Strictly correct is (1 + 1/39)^39 < e, and dem Hauke's logic holds.
      (1 + 1/n)^n -> e as n -> infty, and 1 < (1 + 1/n)^n < e for finite positive n.

    • @wasalawyer.1179
      @wasalawyer.1179 Před rokem

      Isnt there a need for limit tends to ♾️ for getting e as answer...Please explain kindly

    • @1missing
      @1missing Před rokem

      @@wasalawyer.1179 the function (1 + 1/n)^n increases as n increases, which can be proved by a few different methods, converging to e at the limit as n goes to infinity, thus you can argue that the value of (1 + 1/n)^n is less than e for any arbitrary value of n.

    • @mohammadabdulla8601
      @mohammadabdulla8601 Před rokem

      It is not e 😢

  • @pathung2002
    @pathung2002 Před rokem +24

    I'd use calculus to solve this problem, but your approach is quite interesting. Thank you!

    • @DB-lg5sq
      @DB-lg5sq Před rokem +3

      ارجو ان توضح لنا طريقتك حتى نستفيد منها..

  • @pinkusbotzo2559
    @pinkusbotzo2559 Před rokem +3

    This reminds me the old problem of demonstrating that e^pi > pi^e (of course, without making explicit computations). However, much more interesting is the general problem of comparing a^b with b^a.

  • @alexandertrang6549
    @alexandertrang6549 Před rokem +2

    Good job. Clear and easy to understand.

  • @James-io8lj
    @James-io8lj Před rokem +4

    do you have a 6 hour version of this?

  • @a.hardin620
    @a.hardin620 Před rokem +36

    You can try out small values and see that after 3^2 and 2^3 the greater exponent proves larger.

    • @pollen_allergy
      @pollen_allergy Před rokem

      @@hxqing ???? IF n=4, 4^3 < 3^4

    • @jeffrybassett7374
      @jeffrybassett7374 Před rokem +1

      @@pollen_allergy Right, the expression with the larger exponent is larger in value.

    • @feppfepp
      @feppfepp Před rokem +1

      Yeah, and then you can prove that if you have (a^(a-1) < (a-1)^a) for some small a, then each step up the inequality just gets bigger... It is all just recursion.

    • @forcelifeforce
      @forcelifeforce Před rokem +1

      @ A. Hardin -- That is false, as a counter example is shown below.

    • @forcelifeforce
      @forcelifeforce Před rokem +1

      @@hxqing -- You wrote that wrong, because you are missing grouping symbols: n^(n - 1) > (n - 1)^n, for appropriate n-values.

  • @hornetguy9063
    @hornetguy9063 Před rokem +6

    I like how others approached this more. I brute forced directly from the original numbers and performed derivative on x^(79-x). It got me to the right answer, but the formulation of other people just seemed better

    • @CauchyIntegralFormula
      @CauchyIntegralFormula Před rokem +1

      A better approach might be to take the derivative of x^(1560/x). This is the 1560th power of x^(1/x), which has a global maximum at x=e and decreases afterward. This same method lets you compare a^b versus b^a whenever a and b are both at least e: the one with the smaller base is larger

    • @miyamoto900
      @miyamoto900 Před rokem

      "brute force" bawahaha

  • @siva1729
    @siva1729 Před rokem +3

    I inspired from your CZcams video about which is larger and from your idea, i found the approximation of π correct to 6 decimal places by suitable multiplication of 40^39/39^40 by the number consists of integer and fractional part sir. Thanks for your effort.

  • @henriquepinto
    @henriquepinto Před rokem +2

    Just notice that (1+1/n)^n < e, for any n E |N. And e < 39, hence e/39 < 1.

  • @farhatali3634
    @farhatali3634 Před rokem +2

    Beautiful solution. Thanks for sharing

  • @El-Ge
    @El-Ge Před rokem +4

    You are a genius to complicate it. I got a much simple way from many comments.

  • @pinkusbotzo2559
    @pinkusbotzo2559 Před rokem +1

    So, generally, we have the question: a^b and b^a, which is larger? Consider first a>0 and b>0 and a1, has a minimum in x = e, and this minimum is exactly y = e (in effect, y = e/loge = e/1 = e)
    - hence this function is decreasing with x < e and increasing with x > e
    - hence, with a < e and b < e , we have that a^b < b^a, while with a > e and b > e, we have that a^b > b^a (hence, with a=39 and b=40 we have that 39^40>40^39)
    - interesting enough, because the function x/logx has a minimum in x=e, if ae, it is possible that a^b = b^a. For this, it is necessary to solve the equation x/logx = w, where there are two solutions w1 and w2, ie a=w1 and b=w2, by which a^b=b^a exactly.

  • @marklevin3236
    @marklevin3236 Před rokem +2

    If e40^39....

  • @selcukhandulgeroglu3401
    @selcukhandulgeroglu3401 Před rokem +4

    If you write 40^39 as (39+1)^39,and make (a+b)^n,binimoial expression as a^n+a^(n-1)*b*(n;1)++a^(n-2)*b^2*(n;2).....+b^n, write a as 39,and b as 1,then you will notice combination cofficients,39 th power parameters product( are after 3rd term) less than 39^39. For sum of 40 terms in expression for 40^39 is less than 39^40.

    • @Al.2
      @Al.2 Před rokem

      That's how I did it too.

  • @stefka5107
    @stefka5107 Před rokem

    Thank you for showing this interesting and smart solution.

  • @rkritik9533
    @rkritik9533 Před rokem +2

    As a programmer
    var a=40**39;
    var b = 39**40;
    if (a>b){
    console.log("a is greater");
    }
    else{
    console.log("b is greater");
    }
    Results is B is greater means 39**40 is greater;; 🙂

  •  Před rokem +1

    It can be noted that if x^(1/X) = A, and A is larger than 1 and less than e^(1/e), then the equation has 2 solutions. For example 2^(1/2) = 4^(1/4). And approximately for example 1.0703^(1/1.0703) = 66^(1/66). Sketching the graph y=x^(1/X) Will make this clear.

  • @JSSTyger
    @JSSTyger Před rokem +2

    Usually in problems like this, the larger exponent wins. The real question is when does x^(x-1)=(x-1)^x. I believe it occurs at a low number.

  • @niallshelley
    @niallshelley Před rokem +5

    When you got to (1+1/39)^39 * 1/39, I immediately thought about how (1+1/x)^x goes to e, as x increases. As such, e/39 < 1, so 39^40 is bigger.

  • @xxJing
    @xxJing Před rokem +2

    Interesting method. You can simplify it if you recognize that lim n->inf (1 + 1/n)^n = e and (1 + 1/2)^2 = 9/4 both of which are less than 39 meaning that (1 + 1/39)^39 must be less than 39 since it exists between them so the equation must be less than 1.

  • @abdulwahab_030
    @abdulwahab_030 Před rokem +1

    After division when we make the powers same. We should cancel the power 39 from numerator and denominator. Now the left expression will be 40/39.39 which means the answer will be smaller than 1. Hence proved that 40^39 < 39^40

  • @honeylin6216
    @honeylin6216 Před rokem +4

    Any number with base a (a greater than or equal to 3) and an exponent of a+1 must be greater than a number with base a+1 and an exponent of A. For example: 5 to the sixth power must be greater than 6 to the fifth power; 18 to the 19th power must be greater than 19 to the 18th ------, 39 to the 40th power must be greater than 40 to the 39th power, and so on, without exception. In fact, this can be used as a mathematical formula, no longer need to do tedious calculations to prove who is big and who is small. If you want to prove that this formula works, then prove that this formula is true. You don't have to calculate the magnitude of every two numbers.

    • @bykomikaze
      @bykomikaze Před rokem

      Thanks for the explanation! Pretty much I used the same method 👍

  • @TomTom-yw4pm
    @TomTom-yw4pm Před rokem +8

    Simple:
    40³⁹ Vs 39⁴⁰ ( Taking Logarithm to base 40 for both sides)
    39Log₄₀40 Vs 40Log₄₀39
    39x1 Vs 40x 0.9931
    39 Vs 39.72
    39 < 39.72

    • @duytruondduc8558
      @duytruondduc8558 Před rokem

      This method maybe the fastest method to solve this math

  •  Před rokem +3

    Very good proof. Knowing a fair bit of calculus one knows that if the sum of the base and exponent is equal and larger than 2e, then the number with the larger exponent is larger. 79 is clearly larger than 2e. Of course it requires the base to be at least e in general. I mean: A is at least e (Eulers number) and B is larger than A, then A^B is larger than B^A.

  • @davidroddini1512
    @davidroddini1512 Před rokem +2

    This is *almost* a valid proof for all sequential pairs. There are 3 exceptions. These are the pairs 0&1, 1&2 and 2&3. In the first case either arrangement equals 0. In the second and third cases, putting the smaller number as the exponent actually results in the larger value.

    •  Před rokem

      Yes, almost. 1^0 = 1. Yes, because 2+3 is less than 2e. See my comments and thank you four your comment.

  • @davidbrisbane7206
    @davidbrisbane7206 Před rokem +1

    Suppose 39⁴⁰ ≤ 40⁹
    ⇔ 39 ≤ (40/39)³⁹ = (1 + 1/39)³⁹ < e < 3,
    which is a contradiction, so we conclude that 39⁴⁰ > 40⁹.

  • @marklevin3236
    @marklevin3236 Před rokem

    Whenever e40^39

  • @sunrevolver
    @sunrevolver Před rokem +2

    For n=m+1, n>3, and m>2, then
    n^m will always be less than m^n

  • @christiangiron1593
    @christiangiron1593 Před rokem +1

    amazing video! i love how you strictly used algebra. yes u could all these other ways in the comments but using just algebra is more clever in my opinion

  • @hussamuddin2361
    @hussamuddin2361 Před rokem +2

    Apply log on both side.. 40log39 is greater than 39log40

  • @rutgervandeputte4695
    @rutgervandeputte4695 Před rokem +1

    *edit, seems like many mention this. And ofc this is not really abstract.
    No need to do this.
    Just start with the low ones, discover the trend, draw conclusion.
    3^2 2^3 = 9 vs 8 = 0.89
    4^3 3^4 = 64 vs 81 = 1,27
    5^4 4^5 = 625 vs 1025 = 1,64
    6^5 5^6 = 7776 vs 15625 = 20,14

  • @smparreira
    @smparreira Před rokem +1

    40 squared 39 rooted 40 is 36
    39 squared 40 rooted 39 is 42
    = the last multiplication (40th) makes the number always bigger if the base values are similar/sequential

  • @danilonascimentorj
    @danilonascimentorj Před rokem +5

    you could have used bernoulli's inequality on (1+1/39)^39. As 1/39

  • @ronin2963
    @ronin2963 Před rokem +1

    x^y when x is close in size to x!, and y < y! will be consistent

  • @vonyisz7205
    @vonyisz7205 Před rokem +1

    eq1: y=x^(x+1)-(x+1)^(x)
    You can write it in Geogebra and you can see the shape of it. It is interesting what does it mean in human's world, economy, information spreading etc

  • @John-dw6ru
    @John-dw6ru Před rokem +5

    Just asking. Could you use a smaller example of the same concept, and assume the same relationship would apply? For instance could you substitute the question: Which is larger? 4^5 or 5^4? Now you have manageable numbers. 4^5 is larger. So, I would answer that 39^40 is larger, and move on.

    • @linjb86
      @linjb86 Před rokem

      you may have a common version, like , which is larger, a^(a+1), or (a+1)^a ?
      from video when a>=3, we have (a+1)^a / a^(a+1) < (a+1)^2/ (2* a^2)
      suppose (a+1)^2/ (2* a^2) < 1, solve it and get when a>1+root(2)>2, a^(a+1) > (a+1)^a

    • @osanneart9318
      @osanneart9318 Před rokem +1

      You could, but in that case you need more than one example to actually find the answer: 2^3 and 3^2 have the opposite case for example, the smaller exponent gives the larger result. A single point isn't necessarily proof yet. Basically you can graph out x^(x+1) vs (x+1)^x, in which x is a real integer, that way you find out that larger powers pick up speed VERY quickly. The difference between 39^40 and 40^39 is more than 4 sextillion, in favor of 39^40.
      But yes, it is a solid basis that is way easier to reach the same conclusion with, that might also be more obvious to more people.

  • @user-xk8ux6qc2j
    @user-xk8ux6qc2j Před rokem +13

    Very good solution, the way I did was for transforming 40^39 and 39^40 in (4•10)^39 ○ (3,9•10)^40. Expanding the exponent and dividing by 10^40 in both sides, we get this form: 4^39•10^-1○3,9^40, and 3,9 can also be written as (4-0,1), rewriting it as mentioned before and expanding the exponent: (4^39)/10 ○ 4^40 - 1/10^40, and its clear that the second sentence is bigger than the first one, so: (4^39)/10 < 4^40 - 1/10^40. Let me know if you guys find any error in the solution 😁

    • @isacnordin8048
      @isacnordin8048 Před rokem +2

      That would not work however, since when we expand for example (x+1)^2 we don't get x^2+1^2 but x^2+2x+1^2.
      Using binomial theorem you could however expand it and meanwhile prove 39^40>40^39.
      This would work like this:
      40^39=(39+1)^39 =(binomial theorem)=
      39^39 +f(1)*39^38 + f(2)* 39^37 +.... +f(38)*39^1+39^0
      Where f(x)= 39!/(x!*(39-x)!) And f(x)

    • @user-xk8ux6qc2j
      @user-xk8ux6qc2j Před rokem

      @@isacnordin8048 Thanks for correcting me, appreciate it

    • @babulsy6460
      @babulsy6460 Před rokem

      👍 to G, your solution in this case is quite clear... 🙂

  • @wrc1210
    @wrc1210 Před rokem +12

    Can somebody explain the step at 4:28 where we convert all those (1 + 1/39) terms to (1 + 1/2)(1 + 1/3)... etc?

    • @andypanfu
      @andypanfu Před rokem +5

      same question here!

    • @tuananhtranhuu
      @tuananhtranhuu Před rokem

      That the comparision of (1+1/39) and (1+1/(n+1)) while n=1,2,3... to n=38

    • @bradevans5566
      @bradevans5566 Před rokem +6

      He’s not converting them, he’s writing a series that can be compared to determine which series is larger. He selected the series that would let him cancel most of the terms then argued that it was smaller than the original series, therefore simplifying the problem.

    • @Paul_Oz
      @Paul_Oz Před rokem +4

      that's where the narrator lost me too

    • @wrc1210
      @wrc1210 Před rokem +2

      @Brad Evans so if I'm understanding right, we want to know if a > b. So we create a new value, c, where it is guaranteed that a > c. And c is also easier to evaluate and prove that c > b. So, since a > c > b, then a > b?

  • @plusone5945
    @plusone5945 Před rokem +1

    I would just take log for both sides that give 39 log40 O 40 log39 and get rid of the logs by using both sides as the power of 10
    Which gives 10^39x40 O 10^40x39
    From here the answer is obv but for the record i then take away 10^39 for both sides which will leave us at
    40 O 39x10

  • @Ferdinand..
    @Ferdinand.. Před rokem +1

    This doesn't require any calculation. (a+1)^a is always less than a^(a+1). The only exception is 2. 2^3 is less than 3^2.

  • @nikolaymatveychuk6145
    @nikolaymatveychuk6145 Před rokem +1

    39^40 = e^(40*ln(39));
    40^39 = e^(39*ln(40));
    we need to compare right sides of the equations but because they both have the same base e we can compare exponents. So, lets name those new functions:
    f(40) = 40*ln(39); f(x) = x*ln(39);
    g(40) = 39*ln(40); g(x) = 39*ln(x);
    we need to find a point where these functions cross (to be able to count our values from that point)
    x*ln(39) = 39*ln(x) - there is an obvious point x = 39;
    and now we want to find derivatives of functions f and g
    f`(x) = ln(39);
    g`(x) = 39/x;
    for x ≥ 39 we have
    g`(x) ≤ 39/39
    g`(x) ≤ 1
    f`(x) > g`(x).
    it means that f(40) > g(40)
    39^40 > 40^39

  • @EKLAVYAVEER
    @EKLAVYAVEER Před rokem +1

    My job has nothing to do with Math, and have left schooling more than 12 years ago, I just took log of both sides now you have 40log39 and 39log40, LHS>RHS.

  • @rogerphelps9939
    @rogerphelps9939 Před rokem

    This can be done using induction. The general result is that (n+1)^n < n^(n+1)

  • @Caracupa
    @Caracupa Před rokem +5

    Нас всегда учили брать ln над показательными функциями: 39/40

    • @hijosdeputafisgones9458
      @hijosdeputafisgones9458 Před rokem

      39/40

    • @MichailLLevin
      @MichailLLevin Před rokem +1

      задача заезженная до полного позора. Мне еще в 76-м на вступительном давали сравнить Пи в степени е и е в степени Пи.
      Общее решение: (можно логарифмировать, получится примерно то же самое, но менее красиво)
      сравним a^b vs b^a где a, b действительные и оба больше или равны е
      a^b vs b^a
      (a^b)^(1/bc) vs (b^a)^(1/bc)
      a^(1/a) vs b^(1/b)
      проанализируем функцию y=x^(1/x).
      Дифференцируем y(x):
      y' = -x^(x-2) * (log(x) - 1), видим, что в е - корень производной, слева функция растет, справа - убывает.
      для x > e: y'(x) < 0, следовательно из a > b >= e следует a^(1/a) < b^(1/b), а значит и a^b < b^a
      В частности, 40^39 < 39^40, or e^Pi > Pi^e
      Еще авторы задач любят подсунуть a=2, а b > e, получается, что числа по разные стороны от максимума - но легко решается с учетом, что 2^(1/2) = 4^(1/4), а значит вместо а=2 можно взять а=4.

  • @robertloveless4938
    @robertloveless4938 Před 13 dny

    Numbers that are (percentage wise) this close together, always go with the larger exponent. Since you're not asked HOW MUCH LARGER, just be happy with going with the larger exponent.

  • @SoulDelSol
    @SoulDelSol Před rokem +1

    I just did within couple seconds.
    2^4 = 16
    3^3 = 27
    Or maybe better example
    2^3 = 8
    3^2 = 9
    And concluded 39^40 would also be greater than 40^39.
    I wonder if there is proof that would support this premise for all real numbers
    N^(n+1) < (n+1)^n

  • @StaticBlaster
    @StaticBlaster Před rokem +2

    I would think the number with 39 as the base is the bigger number because when it's that close, you have to see which exponent is larger. 40 > 39

  • @BurritoMan99
    @BurritoMan99 Před rokem +3

    Intuitively, it was easy to know 39^40 is much much greater than 40^39. But what if the question was 40^39 vs 20^40? 🤔

    • @priyharshgangwar
      @priyharshgangwar Před rokem +1

      This is direct since 40^39 = 2^39*20^39 and then we know that 2^39 is much bigger than 20 thus 40^39 is much bigger than 20^40. In fact we see at least 40^39 > 20^39 * 20^7 but yeah I get your point. Had the question been about comparing 40^39 and 20^47 then we may might not simplify easily.

    • @BurritoMan99
      @BurritoMan99 Před rokem

      @@priyharshgangwar great explanation, thank you

  • @lordbyron3603
    @lordbyron3603 Před rokem +1

    I simply used smaller numbers like 2 and 3 : 2^3 and swapped the numbers.

  • @fredlar9421
    @fredlar9421 Před rokem +2

    I get the answer from the 2nd step. Very simple, by a calculator.

  • @smaug9833
    @smaug9833 Před rokem +1

    Take log with common base on both sides. It will get you which is larger

  • @JJ-je3nn
    @JJ-je3nn Před rokem +1

    my intuition only led me to the logarithm world. this method would be awesome!

  • @honeylin6216
    @honeylin6216 Před rokem +3

    任何底数为a(a大于等于3),指数为a+1的数一定大于底数为a+1,指数为a的数。例如:5的6次方一定大于6的5次方;18的19次方一定大于19的18次方------,39的40次方一定大于40的39次方,以此类推,无一例外。其实,这可以当作数学的一种公式来使用,不必再做繁琐的演算去证明谁大谁小。如果要证明这一公式的可行性,那就去证明这一公式是否成立。去演算每两个数字的大小大可不必。

  • @yoshinaokobayashi1557
    @yoshinaokobayashi1557 Před rokem +1

    if x>e x^(x+1)>(x+1)^x. it is generally solved by differential equation. thus 39^40 > 40^39. no calculation necessary.

  • @daelinproudmoore4973
    @daelinproudmoore4973 Před rokem +2

    What if finding a pattern like 3^4>4^3... 4^5>5^4 and so on 39^40 must be bigger

  • @PADABOUM
    @PADABOUM Před rokem +1

    Démonstration by récurrence can work as well, N^(N-1) is smaller than (N-1)^N for all N>4

    • @hariselezovic6-4
      @hariselezovic6-4 Před rokem

      It's trust for othwr numbers as well. It trust for 2, 3, 4, 5 etc

    • @PADABOUM
      @PADABOUM Před rokem

      @@hariselezovic6-4 hu, no. 2 > 1, 9 > 8 but 64 < 81 .

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    @DB-lg5sq Před rokem +2

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  • @srikanthbaddam6749
    @srikanthbaddam6749 Před 4 měsíci

    If you apply log both sides, it's pretty easy to find out.

  • @hagaiabeliovich4276
    @hagaiabeliovich4276 Před rokem

    The 39 member product approximates e which at around 2.73 something is much smaller than 39

  • @user-ii2fi8dq3i
    @user-ii2fi8dq3i Před rokem +1

    這個方法真的漂亮,用log解要做好麻煩的呢

  • @JohnJoseph-ml9hs
    @JohnJoseph-ml9hs Před rokem +1

    just use binomial approximation once u reach (1+1/39)^39

  • @user-ww3bs8ri5k
    @user-ww3bs8ri5k Před 3 měsíci

    To calculate \((1 + \sqrt{5})/2)^{12}\), we can use the binomial theorem or simply expand it out.
    Using the binomial theorem:
    \[(1 + \sqrt{5})/2)^{12} = \binom{12}{0}\left(\frac{1}{2}
    ight)^{12} (\sqrt{5})^0 + \binom{12}{1}\left(\frac{1}{2}
    ight)^{11} (\sqrt{5})^1 + \binom{12}{2}\left(\frac{1}{2}
    ight)^{10} (\sqrt{5})^2 + \ldots\]
    We can simplify this:
    \[(1 + \sqrt{5})/2)^{12} = \left(\frac{1}{2}
    ight)^{12} + 12 \left(\frac{1}{2}
    ight)^{11} \sqrt{5} + \ldots\]
    However, calculating all the terms might be cumbersome. Let's use a calculator to simplify:
    \((1 + \sqrt{5})/2 \approx 1.61803398875/2 \approx 0.80901699438\)
    Now, raising this to the power of 12:
    \((0.80901699438)^{12} \approx 0.07957747154\)
    So, \((1 + \sqrt{5})/2)^{12} \approx 0.07957747154\).

  • @James-io8lj
    @James-io8lj Před rokem

    Im glad ive saved the cost of your services

  • @barryzeeberg3672
    @barryzeeberg3672 Před rokem

    To use the inequality at 7:12, you need to ALREADY know the correct answer. That is, if the correct answer turned out to be the other direction, this inequality at 7:12 would do you no good. I think that the suggested methods using binomial approximation or the definition of e are simpler and better.

  • @vancemccarthy2554
    @vancemccarthy2554 Před rokem +6

    With two numbers that close, of course the larger power will give the largest number.

    • @jedrzejwrotynski9421
      @jedrzejwrotynski9421 Před rokem +2

      That is only partly true because 3^2 > 2^3 i.e 9>8 so bigger base can give a bigger result too

    • @SL-up5pl
      @SL-up5pl Před rokem +1

      but 3^2 > 2^3

    • @jeffrybassett7374
      @jeffrybassett7374 Před rokem

      @@jedrzejwrotynski9421 Only when you are close to the origin on the number line.

    • @jedrzejwrotynski9421
      @jedrzejwrotynski9421 Před rokem +1

      @@jeffrybassett7374 Not only. Bigger negative bases in smaller odd negative powers give bigger results, too. For example (-10)>(-100) and (-3)(-100)^(-1) i.e (-1/1000)>(-1/100). And -10 or -100 are not from the begining of the number line! qed

  • @pennyether8433
    @pennyether8433 Před rokem +2

    4:25 - Could someone please explain to me how you're allowed to just change (1 + 1/39) into (1 + 1/2) ... then (1 + 1/3) ... etc? This step makes no sense to me and is not explained.

    • @mathwindow
      @mathwindow  Před rokem +1

      since it is always smaller than (1+1/2)(1+1/3)(1+1/4)...(1+1/39) and therefore if I get this, many numbers which appear on the denominator and on the numerator as well can cancel out and it will be easier.

  • @Feds_the_Freds
    @Feds_the_Freds Před rokem

    pretty intuitive but great proof!

  • @kostaskatsas3342
    @kostaskatsas3342 Před rokem +1

    if a>e then a^(a+1) > (a+1)^a it is easy to proove with calculus if you using f(x)=(lnx)/x .... so if a=39 ......>>>>39^40> 40^39

  • @somwangphulsombat8468
    @somwangphulsombat8468 Před rokem +4

    Used logarithms is easier.

  • @bobbyb5710
    @bobbyb5710 Před rokem +1

    why lot compare the numbers logaritms instead and compare those?
    ln(40)^39=39ln(40) and ln(39)^40=40ln(39)
    Now its easy, ln(40) is just tiiiny bigger much less than 1 than ln(39), so now clearly since 40-39=1 we can say that 40ln(39) is bigger that 39ln(40). 39^40>40^39.

  • @diogochadudmilagres4533

    Hey ya, i think in divides 39^40 : 40 ^39 = 39 * ((39/40)^39) = 39 * ((1 - 1/40)^39), then use inequalities look like yours

  • @jeffreydemattos5619
    @jeffreydemattos5619 Před rokem

    once you get to the third step (in red) above, it is simple by induction to take (40/39)^n and find where N>1. N is way more than 39. You dont have to waste all this time on the proof to know the answer.

  • @user-zm7mn8oj9g
    @user-zm7mn8oj9g Před rokem +1

    Я смотрел много таких при метров, и всегда больше число с большим показателем. Я думаю, это можно доказать как теорему и перестать отнимать наше время и, соответственно, деньги.

  • @Neo_Bones
    @Neo_Bones Před rokem +1

    40^39 is 302 novemdecillion while 39^40 is 4.39 vigintillion so 39^40 is bigger

  • @nezby3945
    @nezby3945 Před rokem +1

    Why is this so hard to solve if you can just put 39^40=39•39^39 which clearly has a bigger base than 40^39 meaning it has to be larger? Why is there such a hassle also I don’t understand where the whole blue part came out of…

  • @ronin2963
    @ronin2963 Před rokem +1

    Why would you do this to yourself?

  • @cebuanoni
    @cebuanoni Před rokem

    You made your solution more complicated & hard to follow.

  • @minimal3734
    @minimal3734 Před rokem

    The exponent is more powerful than the base, so it's evident without calculation.

  • @AlexeyEvpalov
    @AlexeyEvpalov Před rokem +4

    Спасибо.

  • @mcg5617
    @mcg5617 Před rokem +2

    Too complicated demo
    Lim (1+1/n)^n =e
    n->♾
    (1+1/39)^39 e/39

  • @manoharkanade7383
    @manoharkanade7383 Před rokem

    ( 1+1/39)^39 will be less than 2.71 rather "e" so the answer is just one step e < 39

  • @drawwithzinc3687
    @drawwithzinc3687 Před rokem

    The no. Whose power is bigger is always the answer

  • @_Magic_Mike_
    @_Magic_Mike_ Před rokem

    If a > b, then b^a > a^b
    As a and b > e
    Never forgetti💅

  • @good1foryou269
    @good1foryou269 Před rokem

    Great !

  • @AlfW
    @AlfW Před rokem

    Without watching the video nor reading the comments I'd try to prove a general theorem by a don't-know-the-result kind of induction: Assume (n+1)^n : n^(n+1) holds, let's prove (n+2)^(n+1) : (n+1)^(n+2) (where : is either < or >). To get from a=(n+1)^n to b=(n+2)^(n+1) we multiply by b/a, hence we have
    (n+2)^(n+1)
    : n^(n+1) * (n+2)^(n+1) / (n+1)^n
    = ( n*(n+2)/(n+1) )^(n+1) * (n+1)
    = ( n*(n+2)/(n+1) )^(n+2) * (n+1)² / n(n+2)
    = (n+1)^(n+2) * ( n*(n+2)/(n+1)² )^(n+2) * (n+1)² / n(n+2)
    = b * c
    : (n+1)^(n+2)
    To find out :, we have to find out if c is bigger or smaller than 1:
    ( n*(n+2)/(n+1)² )^(n+2) * (n+1)² / n(n+2)
    = ( (n²+2n) / (n² + 2n + 2) )^(n+2) * ((n² + 2n + 2) / (n² + 4n))
    Consider big numbers. Then (n²+2n) / (n² + 2n + 2) < 1. Since we exponentiate, this term dominates our calculation, hence : is

    • @AlfW
      @AlfW Před rokem

      I love the solution of the other comments regarding using e. I didn't even think of that, although I know it. Also induction was probably a very bad choice, but anyway, I got a right result.

    • @redeyexxx1841
      @redeyexxx1841 Před rokem

      Nice job mate. I have a habit of using logarithm to I didn't even think of this kind of approach

    • @AlfW
      @AlfW Před rokem

      @@redeyexxx1841 I'm not proud of it tbh, many other approaches mentioned in the comments are way better.

  • @druhindatta1976
    @druhindatta1976 Před rokem +1

    Bruh, you could have ended the problem at taking the powers common. It would be something like (1.x)^39 *1/39 , which is very much less than 1

  • @kihamoni
    @kihamoni Před rokem +1

    If you need answer only which one is larger, then…..
    3^4 = 81. Larger than 4^3 = 64
    So 39^40 must be the larger one

  • @bjorntorlarsson
    @bjorntorlarsson Před rokem +2

    This is a very common type of question on channels like this. So I plot x^(x-1)-(x-1)^x. It is negative for all x > 3.293. Can we get on with some interesting math problems now finally?

    • @bjorntorlarsson
      @bjorntorlarsson Před rokem +1

      With z=x-1 then it seems that x^(z/a) - (z/a)^x = 0 when x = 3.293 for any a. Is 3.293 (rounded) a special number?

    • @hijosdeputafisgones9458
      @hijosdeputafisgones9458 Před rokem

      It's the number where (x-1)^x = x^(x-1), and we call it the solution of the equation...
      Probably as special as the real number of x that satisfies e^(-x) = 2x.

  • @thewhyzer
    @thewhyzer Před rokem

    I just think "10^2 vs 2^10" and it becomes obvious.

  • @JamzRamirez
    @JamzRamirez Před rokem

    i believe in the basics of mathematical statistic, exponent always has bigger growth value, than any operand. no need of any calculation

  • @lazare93
    @lazare93 Před rokem +1

    So simple 39^40. Why do you need 10 mn and 2 s for that ?

  • @mitch_the_-itch
    @mitch_the_-itch Před rokem +1

    40 with 39 zeroes at the end will be smaller than 39 with 40 zeroes at the end.

  • @hongchaungocbao
    @hongchaungocbao Před rokem +1

    a^b always smaller than b^a, if a>b?

  • @user-ww3bs8ri5k
    @user-ww3bs8ri5k Před 3 měsíci

    You can also sove like this To compare \(40^{39}\) and \(39^{49}\), we can take the natural logarithm of both and compare their logarithms.
    Let's denote \(a = 40^{39}\) and \(b = 39^{49}\).
    \(\log(a) = \log(40^{39}) = 39 \cdot \log(40)\)
    \(\log(b) = \log(39^{49}) = 49 \cdot \log(39)\)
    Now, we can compare the values of \(39 \cdot \log(40)\) and \(49 \cdot \log(39)\):
    \[39 \cdot \log(40) \stackrel{?}{

  • @venkybabu8140
    @venkybabu8140 Před rokem

    Power means multiple.