The Zone of Interest is the most important film in the world right now. Film reaction and discussion
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I'm flexible on the charities, as before when I've done similar, commenters have brought to light problems with the specific charities and highlighted better options, but the sentiment is still there, support for the children, victims in all this.
Also feeling vindicated after seeing Glazers support in his Oscar speech, it's the natural conclusion when following the film's thesis to its endpoint, the backlash to his speech has been disgusting, ironic and moronic.
Watching & contemplating the film was hard enough, but articulating my thoughts and to put them on screen is the hardest and scariest thing I’ve ever had to do for the channel, I seriously considered trimming/cutting some of the discussion here, but seeing Glazer's bravery, trembling as he gave the speech encouraged me, I know this could lose me opportunities and followers but so be it, I don't want opportunities from people who oppose my moral positions anyway.
Watching Zone of Interest and learning of Aaron Bushnell’s self immolation on the same day was truly draining but forced me to examine my place in the world, my role as a creator, and what little I can do. I’ve reposted Tweets and TikToks that are pro Palestinian, spreading information and amplifying others voices but never saying it in my own voice or on the platform I have the largest audience, that changes now.
THE ZONE OF INTEREST movie.
Here are my thoughts after just watching "The Zone of Interest" and coming home. I had heard about the movie and watched many reviews. I had even heard about what the director said and felt he just demonized Jews while making a movie about the Holocaust and thus proves he is an ignorant fool. But I figured I must see this movie as it isn't maybe even about the family and more about the culture. So I went to see it.
I was pleasantly surprised for the following points:
1) The father is damned. How? He stands to process the Jews from the train and thus is doing the work on the days that matter for a death camp called Bergen-Belsen & the general concentration camp of Auschwitz. They don't show it, but then the reason must be that they want to show you the idea of not damning him. You saw nothing. The director tipping his hat to his hate, so to speak.
2) The wife is damned. How? She finds a diamond in toothpaste and wants more. Why? Because in the processing there is very little the workers are allowed to take from the Nazi state as all is categorized and documented. Stealing from the Nazi state a diamond is her crime. She wants to do it more as taking toothpaste will not be cared about with the Nazi state and she knows the diamonds are untraceable anyway unless documented by being found by the workers in the camp.
3) The mother-in-law is damned. How? She realizes a woman is suffering (a Jew) who out bid her in an auction and is not worried about her. She shows no caring for her or any of them (Jews). What she hates is the burning of human flesh, the noise, and the proximity of it all to her personally. She never voices a concern for her grandchildren and their safety or upbringing.
These are the three main characters and they all are damned. They are Nazis; they should be damned. Do all people who view this movie get this message? No. Some may think only of how they existed in a moment and chose and performed based on the stimuli that affected them. Of course they did. Don't we all?
What is the lesson of the holocaust? Let us look at facts in regards to Triblinka and learn the lesson of the holocaust. In 16 months, 68 Germans with the help of 360 Jews slew over 600,000 Jews. The field had some evidence of buildings having been there. Nothing would have been known of the facts of Triblinka had not the Nazi state kept meticulous records of their accomplishments.
What is the value of this movie? It does not show anything that would damn them. You only hear of the suffering and killing and know this man is in charge of all of it enough to be promoted to improving efficiency in all Nazi death camps and concentration camps throughout all of Europe and efficient enough to be brought back to the largest and most famous death camp and concentration camp in the history of the whole world: the death camp called Bergen-Belsen & the general concentration camp of Auschwitz.
History records that the Nazis in trials after WWII and over the radio in South America while still free abroad after WWII stated aloud "Six (6) million was not enough." This is significant. It means the Nazis did not care about the fourteen (14) million killed in the holocaust. Why should Nazis care about slaying Poles, gypsies, and dissidents in Europe against the Nazi state? The HONOR and the GLORY of the Nazi mindset was in killing the people of Yahweh in large numbers.
Americans today are now being asked in universities throughout our great land and through the speeches of the Democratic politicians within the Senate and Congress whether they will be antisemetic or if they support Israel. I find it absolutely amazing that the impetious for this question was Palestinians beheading Jewish babies or male children, burning alive Jewish mothers, and the fucking of Jewish female minors in cars as they drove them to Gaza Strip. It is abhorrent and explains why Yahweh's Holy Bible states upon Palestine being whole it melts in Isaiah 14:28-31 which is a time when Anti-Christ is identified for the whole world to know and this text states "None shall break rank" meaning Anti-Christ will melt inside Palestine whole not long after it is made whole per the text. Yahweh then declares in the Holy Bible He will destroy all nations off the face of the Earth for all nations will have been against Israel per Zechariah 12:3 and Zechariah 12:9.
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thank you for this
@@ReligionOfSacrifice Being critical of Israel is not synonymous with being antisemitic. The director did not demonize Jews, he stated facts about Israel's actions. The things you claim happened on October 7th are not proven and, in fact, some have proven to be false based on the available evidence.
I have spent a lot of time examining the events of and around the Holocaust over the last 30 years of my life. I have let my heart break a million times over it and, God willing, I will break it a million more before I die. I understand how someone with more proximity to those horrors and who carries direct trauma over that could look at current events the way that you do but I hope that you can at some point entertain the notion that at least _some_ of the people who see things differently than you aren't doing it out of ignorance or hate.
You ask the value of the movie. My opinion is that it asks the audience to do the very work that you're suggesting. Not just _seeing_ why they're, as you say, damned but _understanding_ it. Asking ourselves: Who are these people? How can they act like everything's normal given what's going on around them? How does their environment impact them and their behavior? What must they believe to justify this to themselves? How does my environment shape my behavior? In what ways are my beliefs and actions harmful to others? Is there a part of me that's like them? How can I be different?
Incredibly based.
@@JoshHinrichs-vv2ft, incredibly "based" means very drugged up. Incredibly "biased" might have been what you were going for.
I saw the movie at the Savannah Film Festival, and the main actor did a Q&A afterward. He said Jonathan Glazer's reasoning behind the retching was that you can tell yourself all you want that what you're doing is right, but your body's physical response will always tell the truth.
Thank you for that. That makes sense. He seemed very surprised to be retching uncontrollably yet he didn’t allow himself to throw up. Why would he throw up. That would be nonsensical to him. (But not to me. )
I might have misread the ending, but the commandant’s being sick at the end wasn’t a moment of recognizing the magnitude of his guilt. More of a reaction to his work would not be remembered by Germans. He was just a cog in the wheel of evil. I thought his vomiting was brought about by his exposure to Jewish ashes being inhaled over time and a reaction to his contamination. The doctor’s visit made me think his health was being compromised but not by guilt.
Thank you for this video and your recognition of the genocide taking place in Palestine as well as the mass murder and exploitation occuring in Congo. Films like this give you the courage to nit look away and do whatever you can to be on the right side of humanity. Bless you.
At the end, either he was actually being sick on camera, or that was some of the best acting I've seen.
A legitimate masterpiece. I found it interesting how it managed to get the message across in a way that made the viewer think about what we saw instead of spelling it out, and boy did it succeed in that regard!
I'm so glad this won the Oscar for Best Sound (my jaw legitimately dropped when this happened, as I did not expect them to go for it), and I have never seen a movie quite like this where sound is essentially the character of a movie and is so essential to storytelling.
This movie literally gave me a panic attack the first time watching it back in November. The fact that humans can be so evil is beyond me. I’m glad this won best sound design and foreign film.
That on top of the insanely overstimulating, gut wrenching, loud sounds that echoed in the theatre. And then the fades to the bright white and red screens that filled my eye sockets
I had to look it up myself but Glazer clarified the mom did not leave out of guilt. It was simply the proximity was uncomfortable for her. Basically, she didn't oppose it, she just didn't want to be near it. Its easier to accept what's happening if you're not confronted with it.
The girl planting the apples is a 12 yr old Polish resistance member, who died shortly after her meeting with Jonathan Glazer
They filmed the movie in her home and used her bicycle as well.
She's a hero.
@@ajordan1976 Yeah, and her dress! Her name was Aleksandra Bystroń-Kołodziejczyk, what a hero 💝
@@spomenkachekerevatz4848 how do you even pronounce her last name omg
@@spomenkachekerevatz4848 she makes me so proud of my Polish heritage.
My grandparents came to the US between WW1&2.
They left all their families behind.
Everyone perished.
@@ajordan1976 I can see why. She strikes me as the best in humanity, our highest potential, almost supernatural in her bravery and compassion ❤️
I visited Auschwitz in 1988. It was still the communist regime in Poland so not many people were there. It was the worst place I ever saw. I felt so ashamed that humans could do that to others. the rooms with suitcases, glasses, human hair. At that time I had a jewish friend, an old lady who survived in Holland by hiding. When I came back she looked at me very seriously and suddenly she asked: did you visit Auschwitz? I: yes. Good, she answered, I can not go there, I lost 34 family members, it would crush me to go there. But you went there and so in a way a part of me was there also. I was stunned then by the force of her words and the emotion in it. We never spoke about it any more... but I knew this was enough.
I think this is the first time I've seen a reactor do charity with a film on this subject.
he's amazing
Which charities?
Difficult subject matter, obviously. But brilliant movie. So shocking. A slow motion gut punch. Great reaction. Love to see someone enjoy a thought provoking piece of art. Well done.
"i'm talking about these characters like they're regular people... which they are, in a way"
Exactly. The film drives home two major points. 1- we find it easy to ignore wrongdoing and injustice when we don't have to look at it. Its the reason why we never SEE the atrocities of the camp, but we always hear it. We hear about tragedy in the news every day, but we switch off the TV and go back to worrying about what to wear to a friendly gathering.
2 - and this is the big one. These were people. On both sides. The line that separates good from evil runs through the heart of every person. The ending, where he descends into darkness after having spent the whole film avoiding it, and being shown in total light... its so well done.
This is no discredit to the very well-written analysis you provided but man, I’ve seen so many incredible takes on this movie at this point. A credit to its impact. So much, almost too much to chew on afterwards. Thanks for your insight
The Papa at 12:26 threw me back to a secret recording, by social worker with the United States border patrol, of children at the US/mexico border where they were scared and begged to be reunited with their families. I would bet they are the same child and that much more heartbreaking and poignant. What we choose to look away from for our own comfort.
The girl wirh the apples is not a daughter of the Höß family. She is a polish neighbor with a good heart.
22:10 I don't think you understood what was going on in that scene. That woman is polish, a resident of the village Oświęcim, where the camp was built. Locals had no choice but to endure the smoke coming from the camp, thousands of non-jewish Poles were murdered in Auschwitz.
Yeah completely misinterpreted that, thought she was involved in Auschwitz too, would never wish ill on just a civilian like that
Another intelligent and humane reaction. I saw this in the theatre and went into it blind as well. Wow. Thank you for you're donating.
I only watched this film a few days ago and had I seen it earlier I would've put it above Oppenheimer for Best Picture. Its an absolute masterpiece. I've not stopped thinking about it since.
Bravo to you Will for speaking out. I watched this video to the end. I will be donating to the World Central Kitchen and to Unicef . Dont know how history will judge us all and this current time. But we can individually do some small thing..💔
Thanks Will. I think your response is exactly what Glazer hoped for. Donated.
I came across your channel after watching Zone of Interest. I'm impressed with your analysis. Also you seem like a really nice person, have subscribed.
I really enjoyed your commentary !
great review/discussion. this was my fav film of 2023
Agree with everything you've said, especially towards the end of the video. As an American citizen, I am also complicit and it feels hopeless because our bloodthirsty, warmonger politicians will continue to ignore their constituents and continue this war. I guess the only thing we can do is try and give whatever we can and use our voices/platforms even though it may be a small contribution. Really glad I found your channel and wish you all the success!
Thank you for sharing this valuable movie but also for your words at the end especially. Incredibly important and valid. UK and USA governments deserve the absolute worst for their complicity. This is what happens when one votes for only what is within ones own zone of interest and all else is fair game for the haters to target and tear apart.
Thank you for this!! I'm so far from a film critic. I can watch a film and either like or dislike it. But as far as the WHY I liked or disliked it, I got nothing. This was such an intriguing watch. I felt uneasy the entire time, even when I wasn't entirely sure what was happening on screen. I'm glad the feelings I was having seem to be the correct ones. Hopefully that makes sense and I don't sound like a crackhead. Bottom line, thanks for reviewing this. Literally the only decent review I've seen of this film, and I've been looking HARD.
Phenomenal film. Best of the year for me.
Thank you for framing the conversation around the message of the movie the way that you did, allowing yourself to be vulnerable, and supporting charities to help children in war zones. There's such an obvious parallel with Gaza and Congo in this film. Those of us who understand that need to keep saying it and being the mirror that others are desperately trying to avoid.
Thank you for your efforts and it’s my pleasure and duty to help. I’ve watched this movie 3 times simply because there is so much going on and I really needed to watch it 3 times to absorb and take in what was meant to be seen and more importantly heard. I’m still processing all of it. It’s one of the most important films ever made and should be mandatory viewing the world over. Johnathan Glazer got his point across 100%. The juxtaposition is in your face keeping you uncomfortable from beginning to the end. Being 3rd generation of survivors and seeing where we are today,this film serves as a reminder and a cautionary tale of how easy and quick ordinary people become evil and/or complicit in evil based solely on evil propaganda. As is happening in Palastine and around the globe. People forget that it wasn’t just the average Germans who turned a blind eye it was absolutely the rest of the world as well. I pray for gathering of a collective soul to bring peace and tolerance to this quickly eroding world 🙏❤️
Thank you so much!
Not really , you have to understand that the Nazis controlled the press completely, so nothing was getting out of Germany / Poland in terms of news reports , it was a very well kept secret
Them end credits song nailed me
The mother could cope with the situation. It was affecting her health, both physically and mentally.... She couldn't blank out the horror like her daughter. The doubt is did she empathise with the Jews or being there just too inconvenient.
According to the director, no one in the film has any empathy for the people whom the atrocities are committed on, or a change of heart. The mother was fine with it, she just could t stand being that close to it.
The director said something like "when someone likes to eat steaks but just doesn't want to see where the cows die" about the mother leaving.
I see the brushstrokes of an artist, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I have to like the painting. Which do I like better… Monet or Jackson Pollock?
I saw where the director was going and he achieved his goal.
Personally, I had more of an emotional response to “Boy in the Stripped Pajamas.”
Thank you so much for helping the people in need around the world!
The ending: the question is if he really was sick, getting a check up or if he deep down below felt something was wrong, realizing how the future would look like and then still deciding to follow that way
Based on a Martin Amis book, there is a lengthy interview on CZcams about it.
The inmate listening by the wall hears a crime. "Drown him in the river". If he survived then this may be based on testimony at Hoess's trial later.
The contemporary relevance of the film, in terms of the ongoing events in Gaza for instance, is only too apparent. The banality of evil indeed. Sending money from the ad revenue to those two children's charities is an idea I highly commend.
Thank you Michael
Ridiculous comparasment.
@MirjanaPucarevic
It's not ridiculous, it's spot on. Israel is engaging in ethnic cleansing and genocide as Israel has always done. Israel requires a "final solution" for Palestinians as the people they pretend never existed (a land without a people) do exist. Zionists didn't colonize Palestine with the intention of becoming part of the community. They came to displace and exclude the people of Palestine from their homes and land physically and politically. Its really no surprise that this hasn't worked out well for anyone, is it? The world should be sanctioning Israel as it did to south Africa until Israel ends the apartheid and genocide of the people of Palestine.
nope, not ridiculous at all ... google 'making place for the people' in german, that's the same thing what is happening now ... and the starvation of the people that are 'obstacles' for 'making the land for the higher people/race' is very evident ... @@MirjanaPucarevic
i’d love if you reacted to schindler’s list
the movie really triggered me, because yes, Höß was a nazi. but how his wife was able to ignore the camp is unbelievable. simply impossible. i felt like the mother in the movie, and i didn't even notice everything, like the smell etc. what was also blatant was how it was shown how the children were also slowly indoctrinated, like the scene when the older one locks the young one in the glass house and probably unconsciously re-enacts everything. simply disgusting, and really well made as a movie.
Of course his wife knew. A good example of wilful denial.
The wife was instrumental in turning him in I believe. He fled justice for a time. But she turned him in.
Theres def a huge amount going on in JGs Film
The into disturbed me SO MUCH in the movie, I thought the image froze or the movie was messed up but the audio kept going so I was like WHATS HAPPENING?? And the more it dragged the more I wanted it to stop
It was incredibly breave of Jonathan Glazer to call out the Palestinian genocide in his acceptance speech, and seeing how many people (especially Jewish groups!) attacked him for it only proves how important this film is right now. There are so many people in America right now, both conservatives AND liberals, who are behaving the exact same way as the Höss family, and they need to be called out for it. Modern-day Israel is exactly as evil as the Nazis.
This is about 1942-1943. The cleaning of the boots, is taking the blood of them. The girl who cleans and works in the house is jewish, she knows if she makes a mistake, or angers the wife of Hoss she will be sent back into the camp and be killed. And the flowers are so big because of human ashes fed to them, that makes them grow much bigger and powerfull.
It's explained in the film that the housemaid is a Polish girl from the village, and the other people who work the grounds are also Polish villagers. When the Nazis took over they murdered a ton of Polish people, and used the living defeated Polish villagers for labor.
She was Polish
This movie made me cry most of the way through. By humanizing these perpetrators they’ve managed to humanize the perpetrators of today’s atrocities, which makes the reality even more outrageous. They can never say “I just didn’t know what was going on. I was only listening to what the news said was happening.”
The Hungarian Jews met their end at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944. By October the Red Army was closing in and everyone [Nazis] knew the game was up.
As an American, I want to thank you for speaking my thoughts. I fully agree that there's no excuse to support the mass slaughter of innocents... Ethnicity doesn't matter. Life is life and should be protected. I didn't vote for this. I do not support it. My Grandmother is Jewish. She doesn't support this horrific "war " either. Free Palestine.
Thank you for that! 🇵🇸
Defend Gaza.
i really really enjoyed your commentary on this, im always glad to see people watch these types of movies who have a bit of background knowledge to actually appreciate what the film is doing. im german and horrified by how bleak its looking, politically, even here in our country where you would think people would be most aware of where ideologies like fascism and bigotry lead. but sadly, right-wing political parties are on the rise even here. people need to be aware of what can happen when people cheerfully look away while travesties are happening. and as you mentioned, of course thats especially relevant today, seeing whats happening in gaza.
and just a little side-note: if you know a company is german, and it has existed before the 1950s - you can absolutely assume they assisted the nazi party in some horrendous things. maybe you know dr. oetker, the company that makes the frozen pizzas and baking products and such? im from the city where it was founded, and lets just say - we have an "oetker park", a little park thats named after the oetker family, and it used to be called "hitler park".
Mundanity exactly. Giving oneself over to a system is embracing the dark side.
Do people who support ceasefire in Gaza, also support ceasefire in Ukraine? Why not?
Yeah these people were humans too. So yes the humanizing of the characters. Like I said you’re awful. This film is in the perspective of human nature to try to forget thespian ds of what’s going on behind the wall.
It was a different time then, so that's just the way it was.
Oh you’re an awful reactionary to these historical films. Don’t judge these characters in our modern terms. Of course there’s discomfort and a conscience there but there’s no turning back and when you have children you don’t have the luxury of being morally superior because your kids come first before anything.
Those howls and screams would put me to sleep every night.
Best film I’ve seen in a long time