Sacramento Kings front office overruled by owner Vivek Ranadive in 2014 NBA Draft
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- This is the famous Grantland short that has been removed from their CZcams channel. Ranadive pressures his front office to take Nik Stauskas (Stauskas?!) over Elfrid Payton. A "Nik rocks!" chant concluded the ridiculous events as Ranadive pays former players Mullin and Richmond to be yes-men and affirm his grandiose assumptions.
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4:00 "Either that or we're all wrong"
Narrator: You were all wrong
Jesus Wenceslao I died when he said that lmao
Ron Howard voice "They were all wrong."
Mitch Richmond asks the only valid question, after seeing they have Vonleh ranked 3rd - how does he fit in the lineup when they already have Cousins... and they start talking about assists... wtf???
Narrator: But no one could predict what Portland could do with him. Enter opening night 2018.
Wouldn’t the narrator say “they”?
I died when the Kings GM called Philly to trade up for Embiid, "They said no" lmfaooo
Philly called back because they wanted to take on Stauskas. In the end they stole the 2019 Kings pick by taking Stauskas in a salary dump. Man, I wish we had one of these from the Billy King/Danny Ainge trade.
It did appear earlier in the video that they had had a prior discussion about an embiid trade and the 76ers were at least pretending to consider it. So then he called them to check, once embiid was confirmed to still be on the board at 3
Nick rocks 😃
@@adobopr_ More like: KICK ROCKS
By far, the worst draft room I've ever seen....
Well, atleast they showed us.
Hope other teams will do this too
How many have you seen?
The problem is they discussed players entirely in how they fit into the current roster. When you never make the playoffs, forget about fit. Choose the best player
100% this. Pick the best player available, three years in a row, and you make the playoffs as they build chemistry together.
🎯
@@dennissvitak5475Noel, embiid, okafor....
@@maartenvzthat still comes down to scouting. You’re not guaranteed to always get the best player but if one of them turns out to be an mvp you’re doing alright
Nick rocks? U kidding me? Cringe af
XChronicHash seriously
I’m a Kong’s fan with season tickets and cry every time I think nick rocks
This is a funny comment to see 6 years later 💀
😂😂😂😂
KICK ROCKS
I love how they do months of preparation with scouting and analytics and Vivek rolls in and says "Fuck you I want Stauskas!!!" This is a perfect TSA on how not to run a draft.
Hes delusional
Wym? They all wanted Stauskus. The GM wanted to trade up and take Embiid, but when Philly said no it seemed like everyone agreed to take Nik at 8
@@tbtbandbeavs8423 no one will go against the boss lol
@@tbtbandbeavs8423
The problem? Vivek should not be involved in basketball decisions. Period.
The added pressure of trying to make a decision to appease your boss when he makes his choice known is not cool. Especially when Vivek knows nothing about basketball.
There even talk Vivek also put the kibosh on Kings drafting Luka Dončić. Kings GM at the time Vlade Divac being also of Serbian heritage like Luka's father and personally knowing the family wanted to sign him. Vivek had other ideas. Ultimately Divac was forced to fall on his sword.
1:56. First letter looked like a "N" and I was like damn this guy is brave.
WHEN HE WROTE THE IGG I THOUGHT WHAT THE FUCK IS HE WRITING!!
Dude really needs to work on his Ws.
Legend, best man to live in 2014
Their scouting wasn't wrong. The decision isn't necessarily wrong. What is fundamentally wrong is vivek's involvement. He has zero basketball knowledge and can't think about anything other then Klay and Steph.
Sam B stauskas could have been a solid player, the kings are just toxic though
Vivek thinks he knows what he is doing bc he coached his daughters basketball games...middle school isn't the NBA Vivek!
it's stupid, Everybody said stauskas cause the boss said stauskas...no one will disagree with the boss
Dude, they didn't even think about getting Lavine, Hood, Harris, Payton, Nurkic...They're all tools.
And Chicken Tikka Masala
“Marcus Smart? Oh that’s good for us” 🤣
Godvernment I️ started dying when he said that
Lol viveks a clown. Clueless owner. Smart is still on the team that drafted him. Stauskas is out of the league.
@@pzyger7005 Boston plan complete, now we have BOTH
@@handy0522this didn’t age well
@@Highlight_Hoops ok
We need more videos like this for all 30 teams. More insight and lets fans know who is actually responsible for the good and the bad.
They will only do that for the picks they are succesful. Haha.
Plenty of vids for the raptors
The raptors youtube account has some awesome draft day videos
“Hey man we told you- didn’t we tell you, you’re coming to Sacramento?” As he calls from the same phone he used to try to grab Joel Embiid a few minutes ago from Philly
The inspirational music in the back while he says “s t a u s k a s” kills me every time 😂
😂😂
Hilarious .. you have multiple HOF type players and Staukas ROCKS is the pick 😂😂
Vivek had that look on his face like yeah we just fleeced the whole league 😂😂😂😂😂
Vivek why even hire anyone just run the team into the ground by yourself.
4:00 - “Either that or we’re all wrong”
(Morgan Freeman voice) They were all wrong
I'm a kings fan and this really really hurt to watch
BUBBLE GUTS Well, Vlade Divac did clean this mess up during his three years as Sacramento Kings VP of basketball ops/GM.
Now with all these moves including trading DeMarcus Cousins and his drafting, let's see if Vlade is the Geoff Petrie during the Greatest Show on Court era and not the Petrie after Rick Adelman left.
BUBBLE GUTS sucks to be u hahaha
You should be a warriors fan
Yeah it sucked. But there wasnt any good decission on that spot. Stauskas was trash but hey Divac did his job since then. Got some nice pieces but with the Warriors ridiculous team its not even worth watching anymore lol
ducknuts6 try being a Mavs fan and finding out Cuban passed on Giannis for $200K
They knew in 2 years
bruh they knew in 1 year. they traded his ass after rookie season
Tapan Patel To Be fair, it was doomed from the start. Stauskas literally said he didn’t want to play there.
I think Ranadive clearly favored Stauskas, but it's not like overruled the front office. Seems like everyone in the room except maybe the analytics guys (who had Payton over Stauskas, but said "there was a huge debate over this") wanted Stauskas. (But those analytics guys also had Vonleh at #3, & he's turned out to be terrible, so it's not like they were exactly brilliant either...)
Payton himself proved to be a bad pick
Agreed. The FO was aligned with Stauskas before
Guys, it's not like Elfrid Payton would have been any different for this franchise. Neither choice would have been good.
Ian Benton Elfrid Payton been pretty good actually great defender still playing in the NBA averaging around 13 ppg. Would of been better pick than Stauskas at least
I know hindsight is 20/20 but like 7 better players selected after nik and payton..
Lavine,t.j warren, gary harris,Hood,jokic,Nurkich, clarkson,Saric etc..
kangaroo69ful Jokic is the only one I’d care about missing out on .
Big Virgil lol then u don’t watch basketball. Every single player that he named are better then stauskas by a lot to.
Antbeast23 the magic gave him away for a 2nd rounder lmao
1:58 "Niggins" 🤣😂🤣😅🤣😂
This makes me feel confident I could do this job waaaaay better this was just so embarrassing
This was basically the reason why Shareef Abdur-Rahim left Sacramento. He was essentially in charge with getting all of the information going into the 2014 draft. His guy was Payton, which would have filled a need for Sacramento as a defensive minded point guard who was pass first. They had just drafted McLemore in 2013, who was drafted for the exact same reasons why they ended up going for Stauskas. It was overlap. Stauskas is a one position player, as is McLemore. It was just dumb and a wasted pick.
i mean... Payton sucked too lol
@@bloodbloodblood Payton didn't suck in the same way. He still in the league for a reason.
@@Gvvenk Exactly!!
@@Gvvenk well look who’s back, none other than sauce Castillo himself on the Celtics. Glad to see him mclemore and Peyton have all found a way to stay in the league one way or another.
@@Subarusyndicate this comment aged like milk
Mitch Richmond's face the whole time says it all lol😂😂😂.
I think that drafting shouldn't be done like this... Guys with strong voices and articulate skills will always win the debate... It should really be a decision of the GM and he should just get different opinions from the other guys he trusts...there are way too many people in the room.
They did it again! #DONCIC
Saz .T lmao as a Mavs fan this is hilarious
@@firstnamelastname6920 Cuban has made a ton of horrible moves but he looks amazing compared to Vivek
Vivek should have said “1, 2 , 3, kick rocks!” Lol
I feel like Mullin and Richmond said to each other “let’s get off this sinking ship and go to St Johns and achieve nothing for 4 years, deal?”
Hindsight is such a beautiful thing. So the kings could have traded down for the 10th Pick plus 2-second-rounders. Could have ultimately been Zach Lavine and Jokic. Good thing time travel isn't real
The only draft that the timberwolves competently picked in fucking thibs ruins it and trades him, too. Small markets suck to be fans of.
God dam 4 years later, this is straight comedy
Even funnier now lol
@@georgepolychronopoulos647 as a kings fan I’m fucking dying physically cringing in pain
Still is
It is kind of hard to tell your boss "no" if he is pressuring you to pick a certain player, because if you go against him and your pick is a bust that could be your job, it is a tough situation to be in, but I understand the frustration.
Fei Long But they don’t know they will get fired. That’s the point .
The thing is Vivek has zero basketball knowledge. He shouldn’t have a say in anything.
It really is lol and you can’t throw your GM under the bus two years after the fact either. But this video is the epitome of the Kings dysfunction. Why even record and post what goes on in your war room in the first place? 🤦♂️
At least you'll get fired knowing it was your pick not someone else's
@@kihlos2768 😅👍🏿 💯
owner is destroying the team
+Crazyjedi2 The Sacramento Kings were six feet under by the time Vivek Ranadive bought the team in 2013.
If I were a Kings fan, I pin the blame on the Maloofs for teasing the fans about staying in Sactown or going to Anaheim, Virginia Bech or Seattle and also Geoff Petrie who did a poor job when the 'Greatest Show on Court' core was completely dismantled and not renewing Rick Adelman's contract.
This is what happens when you have a GM with no balls...
Owners should keep their mouth shut, especially in basketball decision making talks, and talk only to extend or fire a GM.
I agree owners should have no say in the things they own. I know I want other people making decisions on the things I own so I completely agree with you
Facts
9 years later this video is still an a amazing watch
LIGHT THE BEAM
They want Embiid now lmfaoooo
6:02 Pete D'Alessandro: Another team told me Stauskas for Boston.
Speaking of that, Nik Stauskas is in the finals with the....BOSTON CELTICS!
Watching this after the Haliburton trade. 😂
i'm a sixers fan and in the early days of "the process" i used to watch this clip all the time. I just checked to see if Stauskas was still playing and was kinda surprised he's still going at it in the G-league. I can't believe they chose Fox over Haliburton, i hoped we could have gotten Hali for Ben lol
@@bigbrytunney8753 Stauskas just dropped 54pts in g-league. Your sixers could sign him to replace Seth
This comment aged well
So awkward
Still can't believe they let go of Isaiah Thomas, Hassan Whiteside, Demarcus Cousins.
iftahaj they have skal and dermacus was probably gonna walk away once his contract expired anyways
White side was trash bro. Lol he even was when he went to Miami hell he played yet another year of d league
They had to let go some of those players honestly tho
Whiteside is in the doghouse in Miami. Thomas is worthless at this point. And cousins just signed a 5 million dollar deal.....
Iftahaj not looking like such a bad decision now
Wow, this seems so quaint watching in 2019. Ridiculous how an NBA Draft room can be full of so many doofuses...it's like a prom party planning committee meeting...if the committee was just in 8th grade. Complete with tittering and rumors over who's gonna ask who to dance. Glad the Kings have turned it around.
Should've yelled "Nik Sucks!"
Vivek learned his lessons the hard way, hurting the team more than helping. Since Vlade has been here, Vivek has left basketball decisions to more qualified folks.
It seems like every new owner does that.
Except Divac isn’t really qualified
Yea Vlade is wayyy more qualified. 😒
So far he's been kinda good ?
Yeah, the same "more qualified folks" that passed on Luka Doncic and took Marvin Bagley lll.
Cringeworthy and laughable this whole process.
Neeek Rawks.
The most embarrassing part of this is, in 2013, the Kings have to call in outside data analytics guys (who are amateurs btw) rather than ask their in-house ones.
Yeah but I think it's good that they were willing to listen to a new approach and let people in who weren't already part of their social or professional circle. That's rare.
I'm one of those guys. Analytics. I'll say this:
What we do is very important, but we do NOT need to be the ones picking. In this draft, Payton wasn't the better analytics pick. Stauskas looked really good on paper.
We base it on math. The good ones try to take fit and human element into account, but it's a mathematical formula. Lowest number wins.
It's far from perfect, and that's why you have former players like Shareef heading the scouting. I can tell you what the numbers say, but I don't know a player's mindset. He does.
The best departments(OKC, PHI, BOS) are an excellent blend of analytics and raw scouting.
“1, 2, 3! NIK ROCKS!” “AH. HEH. HEH. HA.”
"His floor is Greg Oden and his ceiling is Hakeem Olajuwon"
Bruh how does that help 💀
What type of Kool-aid were they drinking?
He wasn’t wrong though
@@georgepolychronopoulos647 he was basically saying he can be awful or amazing, like you saying a kid could grow till 6'11 or 5'4, how does that help 💀
It means that there’s a risk. A risk that he is making them to decide if it’s worth it or not.
"either that or we're all wrong" wow it was true
I love that Vivek bought out the Kings so they could stay in Sacramento but he should not have input in basketball operations. Terrible draft choices and ideas. He's the one that wanted the Kings to play 4v5 on defense with one person on the other side of the court to cherry pick. I can see his innovative mind but please stay far away from operations
Not defending Vivek or anything, but would Payton over Stauskas have made any difference? I seriously doubt it. It's not like this front office was recommending Jokic or Capela over Nik.
Yeah, neither Stauskas nor Payton would've worked out. It's crazy how many hidden gems fell down in that draft though.
Lavine, Bogdanovic, Nurkic, Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, Grant, Clarkson, etc... insanely stacked.
@@kiwishu1237 I didn't even realize that. It was a quality draft
Dude in the thumbnail looks like Murr from impractical jokers
at first I thought dude was saying the n word at 1:59
God I hated this front office. Why is vivek making draft decisions? Pete thought that Parker was going #1 over Wiggins. Vivek thought that Wiggins is a shooting guard. Mullin is whispering sweet nothings into Vivek's ear. Disgusting.
1984chupacabra Wiggins played the 2 at Kansas...
Wiggins is a shooting guard tho
You stupid fuck
Wiggins and Butler are interchangeable at the 2 and 3. If you paid attention, it actually had Wiggins listed as a shooting guard when he was drafted.
When you get all your basketball info from NBA 2K
Vivek doesn't get that people laugh at jokes that authority figures tell
I was in the army with Vivek's son. Super nice guy. Never met vivek though
If the Pete took Phillies 10 and Phillies two 2nd rounders they could've had Zach Lavine, Nikola Jokic and Jordan Clarkson. ugh
C'mon man. It's the Sacramento Kings. They wouldn't have ended up with any of those guys.
That a shit trade anyway bro. Plus what r the chances of anyone hitting draft gold with every second round pic lol
The Kings haven't made the Playoffs in 12 years and are still at least another 3 or 4 years of development before making them again. Dysfunction like this in the front office explains a lot of why that's the case.
My favorite video of all time. Sacramento Kings never disappoint :)
Where's the video for Luka or Bagley draft pick?
Stauskas was gone in a year, correct? This franchise also drafted Jimmer Fredette. I didn't see the GM being against the puck.
Imagine sitting there with no 1st round pick waiting and hoping that Nikola Jokic is still there at the 41st overall pick? I'd like to see that video from the Denver Nuggets front office perspective.
Way too many YES men slobbing on Viveks knob here to tell him that he needs to just write the checks and let the basketball people build the team.
What does the dude at 2:23 say?
This was interesting to watch . We're always seeing the players but never the front office . I wanna see more teams
I’m glad Mitch finally got to win a ring with my Lakers 💜💛And I’m happy to see him still involved with the King org. He was the face of their franchise for years
This draft wasn’t all that any ways
Mike Hawk couple good players that's about it
Gordon, Smart, Randle, Harris, Levine, Capella, Saric......There was some impactful players to be had where they were drafting. Embiid and Jokic were homeruns.
You can't fault them for not taking Jokic.
Nikola Jokic is all that
“Shoots like Steph, big like Klay”
This grinded my gears when this happened
These analytics team sounds like they dont know anything about basketball
Vivek just lives on his own planet, where none of his mistakes count and all of his past successes are still relevant. You'd think after years and years and years of bad decisions he's made as team owner would convince them that he's not good at running a front office, but men like him lack the humility and perspective to learn. Compare that to his staff, who correctly guess the first three picks while accurately projecting Embiid's ceiling, and smartly resolving to improve their perimeter defense with Payton. Meanwhile, Vivek's fetish for all things Warriors led him to demand a cheap knock-off.
Pro sports teams are just toys for their billionaire owners, and that's exemplified by franchises like the Knicks and the Kings. Winning is only a side benefit as long as the team is making money and appreciating in value.
@@nuraby_9228 except their dumb ideas interfere with that appreciation. The Spurs and Warriors would’ve probably be half as valuable as they are if ownership decided to take over the front office.
@@nuraby_9228 except their dumb ideas interfere with that appreciation. The Spurs and Warriors would’ve probably be half as valuable as they are if ownership decided to take over the front office.
“First pick, gotta be Parker”
How did he overrule the scouts? I didn't see anyone disagree with the stauskis pick, they went around the table and they all wanted the same guy.
As a kings fan this video gets a genuine laugh out of me every time especially now that we know the context and how everything played out
1:56 man I didn’t know what that guy was about to write on that white board for a second
They could have taken Zach LaVine.
Do you remember how great Minnesota was after taking him? lol nah Zach took years to be on a decent team
Fyi, the 2014 41st pick was Nikola Jokic.
Thank you for reposts like this. I hate when Leagues and Companies try to erase history by removing footage like this.
This is so embarrassing 😂
And the Queens are still recovering 😂
video quality like its the 80s
Imagine seeing into the future … I’m in 2022
You know how you make it more of a perfect science? Lock Vivek out of the war room...Yes it's his money but he's too hands on. If your the GM you need to tell him "Stop, your not fucking Billy Beane"
A whole bunch of robots with no souls excluding Mullins and Richmond
When I was a kid I attended Golden State Basketball Camp. Mullins did a shooting exhibition, talked to us about whatever it was and signed a poster we were given. I was the last person in line to get his autograph and thank him for the experience. He could care less and obviously wanted to leave asap. He was kind of a dick considering I was an 11 yr old kid.
Worst owner in the NBA
First time watching this video. As someone who has played ball his whole life it is shocking to me is how difficult they made a simple process be. Too many voices.
The only thing I give Vivek Ranadive credit for is ponying up the money to build the Golden 1 Center.
Other than that, not so much.
@Fei Long But then Sacramento major Kevin Johnson created the Golden 1 Center arena plan.
So, KJ deserves the credit.
1:10 first off I’m a kings fan. So It makes me sad to say this. But holy shit look how young and amateur the gm’s team is. Shit looks like a group of freshman year interns
Imagine being a kings fan holy shit lol
I am. It’s amazing. LIGHT THE BEAM
@@mrderp8308😂 that beam didn’t even make the playoffs
@@SailorMac808 so. Still a fan. Light the beam!!!
6:25 seems like a bad deal; it's not like there was anyone good taken in the second round that year, right?
Right?
Wow. They caught the inset of the Stauskus era on cam.
6:08 Michael Malone staring a Vivek Ranadive: get me out of Sactown.
i don't even think stauskas was the wrong choice. the kings just messed up his development -- he could have resembled tyler herro on a competent team
*nick rocks* that shit gave me dough chills
Nick rocks !!
The thing is, there are podcasters and independant, accredited draft scouts whose life is dedicated the draft - at least 1 year ahead of when it takes place...they watch more footage and know more about the players than anyone at an nba front office would ever know...simply getting one of these guys in to make a legitimately i formed decision would be better than any choice front office could make.
Lol the owner also screwed up on the wiggins evaluation 😂
To be fair, Vivek got it right. Elfrid Payton is terrible.
Better than staukas. Staukas is already out of the league at age 26.
This draft class was pretty terrible
vivek looks like a NBA michael scott
At least they tried to get Embiid. 🤷
1:58 whatchu writing there bro?