The Seiko SSC813 Speedtimer After the Hype: Is It Still Worth $675? One Week Review
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- When the Seiko SSC813 SBDL085 Speedtimer was released, I instantly knew that it was going to be a big hit. Anything reminiscent of the almighty Rolex Daytona (especially the ceramic ones) is pretty much guaranteed to do well. I was right because the panda dial variant with the black bezel, which has since been nicknamed the “Seitona,” is still sold out on every site and AD, which adds to the Daytona experience.
In this video, I take a look at the SSC813 to see whether its worth its $675 price tag now that the hype has started to calm down slightly. I wasn’t so sure of it when I first got it, but after spending some time with it, I’m liking it more and more.
Alongside the panda dial SSC813 (SBDL085) Seiko also released a blue dial variant SSC815 (SBDL087), a yellow dial SSC817 (SBDL089), and a cool looking black dial variant SSC819 (SBDL091). These versions look pretty cool and I would love to check one of these out at some point, especially the black dial variant which very vaguely reminds me of my Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch. Let me know what you think of these new releases!
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TIME STAMPS:
Seiko SSC813 Seitona - 00:00
Dimensions - 01:00
DIal - 02:11
Case - 04:52
Bracelet - 06:27
Movement - 08:19
Will I Keep It? STRAP SHOW - 09:34
DIMENSIONS:
Case width: 39.1mm
Lug width: 20mm
Lug to lug: 45.5mm
Bezel width: 38.4mm
Dial width: 30.9mm
Case thickness: 13.4mm
Midcase thickness: 7.3mm
Bezel height: 3.3mm
Crown diameter: 7mm
Crown height: 3.8mm
Weight: with bracelet: 156 grams
Water resistance: 100m
Crystal: sapphire
Movement: Seiko V192
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My entire collection is just Orient, Seiko and a beater G-Shock. Couldn’t be happier as I have bought them to celebrate personal victories. E.g I bough this watch after I quit smoking and did not smoke for 6 months. Every time I look at this watch, I am reminded that things that I once felt almost impossible are possible and much easier than I had thought.
Sounds like a great collection with watches that mean something, good on ya
hell yea bruther
Sounds great. Do you have some reccomendations on specific models? I really like those companies and have a few pieces on my own but would gladly hear what someone elses opinion is
Excellento👍
Cheap mufuka😂
Love the piece - honestly minus the bracelet I think it’s great. I do wish the crowns were screwdown like their old flightmaster model and had a ceramic bezel but it’s a minor thing. The thing I love most about this variant is how versatile it is with straps - this thing is a strap beast. Any colour works.
Great video! I really appreciate “post-hype” reviews like this one, as they present a more realistic perspective on the watch, rather than the initial gushing reviews everyone puts out. Really informative and got me thinking.
Despite the flaws, I’ve just ordered the black dial version (SSC819P) and am eagerly awaiting its arrival. At $615AUD ($400USD) from a local AD, I can live with the drawbacks.
Got an Artem sailcloth on the way as a replacement for the bracelet.
I'm in Sydney. Can I ask where you picked it up for that price? Thx
@@scottd1342 from Starbuy. Current price today is $614AUD
@@scottd1342 It's Watch Depot.
@@wintermute8315 Still a good price compared to others at $719 and they have a $20 off sign up. I might wait until June for EOFY sales
Just picked up the panda ($455 chrono-addict) and immediately bought Strapcode's 20mm Hexad III QR Watch Band Straight End Quick Release, 316L Stainless Steel Brushed V-Clasp ($89) and honestly, it's the perfect set up. My new beater and I love it!
Hi there, could you please tell me where I can find the strap that you used in 1:21-1:30? Looks soo cool on the Seitona, habe to get it!
Thanks and greetings! Stunning video, keep up the good work!
Very informative video. Just ordered this watch and am anxious to get it. I made note of all of your comments all of which seem valid but the points you brought up were not negative enough in my opinion to dissuade me from getting this watch. We will see how I feel after the honeymoon period ends.
All in all a great video…very well done!
How do you like it?:)
How is it now after the honeymoon period?
The caramel dial is very very much interesting when you wear it than the panda. The design of the watch is just awesome and it feels much more quality than the same price range of any other brand.
I've had my Seiko SBDL085 (which is the JDM SSC813) for almost a year and I just don't get the hate for the bracelet. It's comfortable, it fits me well, it looks good, and it's secure. Other than that, I love the watch and it's my only daily driver. The accuracy is +5 seconds a month, which is pretty awesome. It looks good on anything I wear, in summer or winter, and I can easily tell the time at a glance.The panda dial is really the best variant of all, it has a very classic Seiko look to it.
I own one the "gold" dial (540 euros all included one month ago))... it's a keeper very good watch and I like the solar battery system and BTW the movement is very accurate (seems like a precisionist quartz) 😀
It is a great watch to start of with for an amateur collector. It is an even greater choice for people with small wrist like me. Best part the white panda dial can go with any strap which gives you a lot of options.
I’m gonna get get the gold or beige one. Everyone wants the white one it’s gorgeous but I think the beige/gold is unique. This reminds me of my SSC015 solar chronograph that is a little more robust than the SSC813 because of it’s 200m water resistance with all 3 pushers screw down with a ton of of Seiko lume / 2 months later and I just ordered the white one it will be here in 3 or 4 days!!
I was able to grab one recently for $510 and at that price I feel very good about the purchase. I love wearing it, the bracelet is actually quite comfortable. I may swap it onto a Jubilee, haven't decided yet. Overall totally worth it IMO. Stunning dial.
where did you find it?
@@ahatcher6969 picked one up on eBay. Just make sure to check out the seller and you should be good. I think they are actually selling even cheaper these days.
@@ahatcher6969 amazon has them from japanese sellers currently
theres an authorized seller at my place sells it for 410usd, what a nice time to get into watches
That's a steal
At the price point (
Don't you think it is a bit too expensive for a quartz? This movement doesn't justify its price.
@@AAH909I’m not sure it’s too expensive just because it’s quartz. There is no any similar chronograph with mechanical movement at this price range. On the other hand it is too pricey in comparison with some similar quartz chronographs. Fx Bulova Lunar pilot is better in any aspect other than solar charging. Even the bracelet is better on Bulova plus you get leather strap as addition. Only downside of Bulova is size ( too big for smaller wrists). But i still think this seiko is wonderful and pretty.
Accuracy quite good for a watch at this price. It keeps time with my PCAT E660, +1/-1 a day. Very happy with it.
Great review, I’ve being using mine over the past week and your comments are spot on.Just three additional observations, the date wheel is to deep, in low light the time is hard to tell (at least for me), the feeling of the top pusher is horrible. Besides that I really like the watch, I think I will keep it in my collection.
Is the black bezel in ceramic?
@@the.magnus No, I think it’s steel with some type of scratch protection but definitely not ceramic.
@@the.magnus Nope, it's polished steel
Just picked one up for $350 pre-owned, but new in box in a Japanese thrift store. Super stocked to get this watch at that price! I've come across quite a few around the $400 mark at other stores as well.
Did you buy it on eBay?
Manga Souko in Okinawa Japan
@@Kodyan
Just got the Golden one from jJapan yesterday and I love it.I paid 525 I love the dimensions the finish and fit very comfortable and beautiful piece. I love it but I think it is a 500 watch inflation factored in.
I just ordered the blue dial version, mainly to sit in my watch box next to the one that inspired it; a 1969 Seiko 6139-6000 “Cevert” Speedtimer.
I’ve loved chronographs since I was a child, and currently (including this order) own five. I don’t wear chronographs often, and hardly ever during the week, but this definitely fits a “sporty, water-resistant casual quartz” sized hole in my collection. My only other quartz watch is a 36mm Cartier Ronde that is extremely dressy, and was my only option when I wanted to wear something without having to set it before leaving the house.
Good review, that watch looks great on your wrist
Great Review! Makes me wanna get one.
Actually, I really love the watch, including the bracelet, I find it really comfortable! I got it for $490 and it’s a keeper!!
Interesting option. I am looking for a quartz Chrono to dip my feet before dropping 3500+ on mechanical. Like you said it would be awesome for a more premium 3rd party bracelet to come out.
Great video. I bought mine about a month ago. Love it. Just having a hard time removing the bracelet.
What size strap do I need to get for this watch? Awesome video! Just subscribed
Do you own an SPB143? I'm curious if the 143 bracelet will fit on this. Strapcode does make a 143 bracelet, but unfortunately it doesn't integrate any better than the OEM bracelet. I personally feel an H-link bracelet would have looked perfect with this and the 143, but alas what can we expect from Seiko. What's even crazier is the SLA017 JDM version comes with the exact same bracelet as the 143 and this Speedtimer by the looks of it.
Nice review. You are correct that Strapcode did indeed make a bracelet for this exact model and also did a write up on Watch brand News about the SSC813. The bracelet #SS201620B153 and they call it Super Jub II for Seiko SSC813P1 brushed V-clasp. Not sure what the P1 is in the model number.
I have the current black, steel Daytona and this white Seiko; for the money, it is impressive and more legible than a Daytona of either colour.
It’s far from perfect however it fits into my collection...chronograph, quartz/solar, great proportions....and most importantly it makes me feel some kind of way...it’s a keeper for sure
@@mco51193 Is it true that one full solar charge lasts 6 months?
I have the black dial version and it's one of my favourite watches. I'm glad it's a smaller watch. I have a few Seiko divers. This one is perfect with no misalignments and finally Seiko are putting sapphire crystals on their watches!!! Definitely a keeper.
“It’s just wild” / “Not a big deal” LOOL I feel you…
Where’d you get that black strap with the white stitching??
Hi, I really like the black watch strap you have on the watch at 2:21, Could you please leave me a link Or tell me what is the brand and type of the watch strap? Thank you
Hello, what is the strap at 1min20 ?
I couldn't find it in the description.
Thank you !
Very cool macro shots the subdials look pretty neat. I've been wanting to get one but it's sold out everywhere unfortunately. Have you tried the other colors?
Thanks Ed, it was fun looking at the dial close up there's a lot more to it! I absolutely love the indices as well.
Yeah it's a tough watch to find for sure I happened to stumble upon a Japanese seller with one in stock so I went for it! No customs problem this time around thankfully. I have seen the other dials in person but I definitely want to. My AD has the black dial version but I havent gotten around to checking it out. It would be interesting to see for sure👍
Hope to get one in the future. Looks great, I'm sure it'll wear great too. Can always change the bracelet so not a biggie... Plus it's a cheaper version of a panda. Nice watch BTW...
You're spot on, it's a great watch, but that strap sucks. I'm changing it for a nice black calf leather one ASAP!
Where did you get the straps for this one? Need a replacement for the bracelet. I dig the watch
Which strap is that at 2:50? Looks great perfect combo
can you provide a link to the black strap you have on the watch?
Just did a review on this too! I gotta say I really do enjoy wearing this thing! Great review!
Thanks so much man, glad to hear you're enjoying yours too! Seikos putting out a lot of good (if not overpriced) watches lately
What is your black strap with white stitching?
Now, it is just selling for under $500 in my country. I’ll definitely pick it up.
Hi. What’s the grey rubber strap at 10:00? Thanks
I don’t see anything wrong with the bracelet and I find it totally comfortable that being said, I prefer Jubilee style bracelets and strapcode makes one for this watch and it’s gorgeous on the wrist
solid review, thanks
where did iu get that black fabric strap with the white stitching?
I saw this watch in a storefront and it really catched my eye. At that price tag I decided to check it online first. The looks are great, didn't know the deal on that solar charging. What I don't like is that the SEIKO logo is pretty big on the dial. I think it looks amazing how you have it with that black bracelet! I also saw this exact same watch totally blacked out which looks pretty amazing as well as that seiko logo is not standing out so much as with this one. Of course the panda dial is lovely. I am still on the edge of getting this watch.
i am in that exact situation! 😂 What‘s your decision?
@@sccprisoner lol my decision to hold on a little bit because i find that price too much for a solar watch. Im all for it in the 300 range but not 500/600 range. I also got my eye on Sugess homage watches on aliexpress, which actually have automatic movements in the 200 range. Check them out, you'll see what I mean, they got daytona homage and Zenith homage (all panda dials), let me know what you think.
@@sccprisoner I also found the Seiko Spirit SBTR027 which really is not that much different apart from the solar charging, but who cares about that? And the price is only $150 !!
Hi. Thanks for the video. What strap is this one?
Looks great, still waiting for Uncle Seiko to make a bracelet. Did you end up keeping it?
I have an older Seiko SSB045P1 chrono with the meca quartz 6T63 movement that I've always liked due to its mechanical chronograph and general resemblance to the Omega Speedmaster and to a lesser extent, the Rolex Daytona (although it is very close to the black dial pre-Daytona ref 6238 with the tachymeter under the crystal). Indeed, having the tachymeter under the crystal keeps it safe from damage. I love the look of the panda dial face on the SSC813, but am surprised at the price tag relative to current SSB series watches with the 8T63 movement (SSB345, SSB397, etc.). The SSC813 loses the meca's mechanical chrono feel, and gains a sapphire crystal and solar power (with the same useless 24hr time dial)... but at *triple* the street price? Maybe I'm cheap, but that price just seems steep when you can get an homage watch (Dan Henry 1964, etc) with a Seiko movement for less than half the price.
Its a watch designed for motorsport. Sure most people wont use the 24 hour sub dial. Its there for 24 hour races. 24 hour daytona. 24 hour of lemans. 24 hour of nurburgring. The fact it only loses .5 seconds a day means the hands will still read true at 24 hours. Even a real rolex daytona is rated to 2 seconds a day. It needs to be set every 8 hours to make sure no time is lost.
@@treatb09 The 24 hour subdial is not part of the chrono - it tracks with the hour hand and just shows the military hour time.
@@chriskilner4110 so the 24 hour sub dial wont seperate from actual time? In their image on their website. It shows 11 hours and 10 hours. Seperated. So you start the 24 hour sub dial. Then start the relative time you are in. Offsetting the two. To track a 24 hour race. But calculating 24 hour average speed then is difficult. As you cant just double the tachymeter.
Where did you get it below retail? I've never seen it discounted
Am looking for a new piece to buy but i can't find any authorized seller
What strap are you using (the black one)?
I like this watch but am quite bothered by the smaller subdial at 6:00. It throws off what are otherwise very nice proportions.
BOR bracelet will elevate this pretty watch) But if you sell it, you might check the panda/reverse Nano Universe colab few yers ago. These have spot on dials.
Could someone answer if it's safe to polish a seiko's case with 2k sandpaper without damaging the sapphire glass?
You are terrific. What is the size of your wrist? And I do have one with yellow or let's set honey dial on that the colour of the hands make a sense and also a tachometer scale colour is matched
Is the bracelet a pin and collar system? For sizing it?
What black strap do you have at the 10:11 mark? Thanks
do you have the reference of the bracelet at 2min1 , Thanks
1:20 What are these kinds straps called? And where to buy them?
What's the name of the bracelet you're sporting at the 10'02 mark ?
how is it holding up? might get one of these for my 40th
one detail most reviewers miss is, the 6 o'clock subdial is smaller than the 3 and 9
Awesome strap collections you have there! Could you share the link for the watch strap type at 2.16 of the video?
That looks like a sailcloth strap like the ones from Artem.
About $1000-1300 for the Ice blue here in Russia and yes - still worth it
i think this will be the best if come with vintage tropic strap.
Where did you find the nylon strap?
A great review TWI. I really like the aesthetic of this watch and I'm more than OK with it being quartz. Like you though I think the Seiko designer who did the lume may not have been performing at their best on that day. Case proportions look good and as you say the spacing of the pushers is good. Areas that don't quite fit well with me would be that bezel. I'm OK with the tachymeter scale but being that shape in in black and made of steel it is very exposed to scratching so may not age well. A slightly protected steel insert in a stainless bezel may have worked better. One other slight gripe is the date wheel is quite deep set but this tends to be common with some solar watches of this type including Citizen who arguably are best experienced in these movements. Before I would hand over any hard earned cash I would consider Citizen (I have a few that are several years old now) and if you want more complications I'd also suggest taking a look at some of the solar analog G-Shock models. Still a great review and a great classic looking watch TWI.
Thanks Anthony! Yeah the overall design is great but the lume is definitely a head scratcher! I think I'm in the same boat as you I think I would have preferred it if it had a plain steel bezel or one with the tachymeter etched in. Of course that would end up being a very different watch lol!
Yeah I would have added the deep date as a negative but stragely enough it didnt bother me as much as I would hev expected it too! maybe my mind see its as "extra depth to the dial" lol. Yeah the analog gshocks have interested me for a while but I have no idea which one to look at first! do you have a recommendation?
@@thewatchidiot I have a couple of metal analog solar G-Shocks from some years ago, versions of both are still available I think. A China built (I have no issues with this) GST-B1000 on the bracelet with red accents and a Japan made MTG-B1000 on bracelet with blue accents. They are both have a decent light (for an analog), stop watch, count down timer and alarm, not an LCD to be seen anywhere. Even a dual time. They also have AM/PM indication in a kind of heavily shrunken blink and you'll miss it 24 hour sub dial. For the dual time, time swap and countdown setting it's easiest done when connecting via Bluetooth to the phone app but can be don without. Both of them wouldn't look out of place in a terminator or steam punk movie. The biggest difference between the two apart from the functions is that the MTG has a sapphire crystal, an extra button and multi band 6 and arguably slightly better build. Full G-Shock compliance as well.
Oh I forgot to say that neither of the above get that much wrist time these days (COVID and working from home etc) as I tend to gravitate towards the square's. One I forgot to mention if you are on a totally mad hike would be the non Bluetooth solar GWG-1000 ana-digi (this does get more wrist time). It's totally bonkers but will likely outlive me. Big, yes but with a compass, altimeter, barometer, thermometer sensors and multi band 6 it does almost everything apart from make the tea. Other usual stopwatch, countdown, alarms, world time....... I'm not sure if it's still available now but it's full metal and very robust and for the size is very comfortable.
@@anthonystevens8683 I tried this watch on last week and I'm on the fence. I kinda like it but.....
I hate the date window squashed in between those indices. Looks terrible and wish they'd left the date window off.
I dislike the X logo at 12, but wouldn't be a deal breaker. I dislike the male endlinks and prefer female ones. And only two micro adjustment holes isn't great either.
The date window might actually be the deal breaker for this watch for myself.
Oh,,, and the bracelet isn't the best. You can't see it on reviews but once you get the watch in hand the bracelet feels weird. Like too light and cheap. It's hard to explain but feels almost like the watch is made from steel but bracelet from rattly aluminium, if you can imagine that feel. I've had cheaper Seikos like the sarbs with better feeling/quality bracelets.
A few little changes and this watch could have been an absolute smash hit.
I bought a Captain Willard yesterday and a Lorier Gemini last week so not making a purchase for a little while so plenty of time to change my mind or whatever.
@@frankdux5693 I agree I'm not a fan of a date at 4:25 - 4:30. A day date I 'm OK at the three position or if the date window is inside the hour marker but if it's a date only I'd prefer it at the 6 o'clock position. I'm not a fan of the Seiko bracelets either, from my series 5 watches experience they felt and sounded cheap, I'd swap them out for something else as TWI has done. Congrats on the Captain WIllard and the Lorier. I'm not on the fence, it looks good but there are other watches that would be on my list so this model is not on my want to purchase list yet. I'd still like to see one in the flesh though.
I have this one saved for months to order but my grail chronograph is the Hamilton Intra-matic.
Would it run out of power if I just left the chrono running 24/7?
Damn!
This watch looks amazing 😍
This is my very first watch not knowing much about watches. I saw it and i fell in love with it. I think this watch has sparked my interest in more watches.
We have really similar taste in watches! 🙌 My grail is the Tudor BB58 Silver, but it's going to take some years till I be able to buy it. I want to wear a good watch till then for around 1000-1500$. I just want something sporty and versatile / also to be strap friendly. Some of the watches that I have in mind are this Seikona, also the SNE Solar Diver, the Dress KX in grey, the Longines Hydroconques in grey, the Oris 65 and a Sinn. Which one would you recommend me till I'm saving for the Tudor? Thank you so much and keep the great job. Loving the videos.
Yeah we really do have similar taste because i love every watch that you're deciding between! Whichever watch you get, you'll be getting a special watch of course I am very biased towards the SNE solar diver bc it was my most worn watch of 2021 and my watch of the year lol!
Like P C said, the Oris Divers 65 is a great watch that offers big time quality and versatility however if you really do love the BB58 Silver and you are set on getting one at some point after saving up then I would stick to that goal. If you take a look around you can find SNE solar divers for less than 400 if you get them from japan so that could be a great watch to own while you're saving up the the BB58 Silver. And once you get the BB58 then it will still have its place in your collection because its always great to have a watch you dont have to worry about especially if its quartz! Let me know what you think when you decide!!
@@polygoncoco Oris 65 its a nice watch but Sellita movement just crap and 38 hours power reserve is ..... ! Go for the Rado Captain Cook! Vintage looking watch same style with Ceramic bezel, a workhorse ETA movement and 80 hours Power reserve for the same price!
If you really want the BB58, don’t forget for the Oris. They aren’t cheap and you’d be buying another diver. I’d go for the Seikona. I say this as someone who owns a BB58 and a 65. I never wear the 65 anymore.
just ordered one. dont have yet. will let you know. and i live way up north haha
is this the same case as the SPB14X series? Or perhaps even the SLA017, as both have 39.1mm diameter. I just picked up an Oceanus to have a radio quartz in my box to set my other watches, but now I'm wishing I went for one of these instead...
Yep. Seems like same case as SPB143 for me, but Hodinkee said it is slightly different ("...SPB143...this new line measures just 40.5mm wide, 13.7mm thick, and 46.5mm lug-to-lug).
Where did you get it from for under retail?
Where can pick up the black band on 2:17
Do you think the price will go up in value in the future?
9:46 where is the strap from? And 10:10? Good content!
No one mentions how the second does not align on the 12 hour marker
Just picked up the gold dial one for 407 on amazon
For me it looks way better on the grey nato strap anyway. I think buying a Seiko you know the bracelet is gonna be garbage u less you move into GS.
Where can I buy it now
I have an orient panda chrono which is less than half the price of the Seiko. Aside from not having sapphire crystal I think everything else is pretty comparable, and I think the dial of the orient is a bit more unique rather than being too similar to the Rolex daytona.
Just bought the black dial version off of Amazon. So excited!
I thought it looked great on that black strap with the white stitching. Might have to find a similar strap.
Did you ever find what strap he had?
@@brianholthouse8548 Does anyone know what strap he had on his watch looks like a artem sailcloth?
Sorry for answering so late but yes it's an Artem sailcloth strap! It's the regular version (tang and buckle) not the thinner "Omega style" strap, that can only work with the clasp
Will this watch be at Macys
awesome video :)
Maybe the bracelets is not good but at least it seems like a strap monster. I think I would buy if I can find a great deal.
yesssss its definitely a huge strap monster! i happen to love it on gray straps since its my favorite color but it works on pretty much any strap out there.
Also i decided to sell mine after thinking about it some more if you're interested! I have more details in the description of this video: czcams.com/video/aAUQVF-4tD0/video.html
Did you end up keeping it?
That black strap 👍
What's the strap with the black band and white stitching?
its an Artem sail cloth strap! They're pretty cool for sure
@@thewatchidiot thanks so much, ordered it to match my SSC813 😊
never been a fan of solar. if this watch was automatic i wouldnt hesitate to pick it up. still a very a nice watch.
Any good bracelet alternatives for this?
check out strapcode! They've got a jubilee for it last I checked but I'm sure there are more than that now
This one or a Seiko Gmt SK001B1? Help me in this choice! Lol
I want one. I won't pay OVER retail for one, but I want one.
@@Sizzle_Bear US, but thank you!
@@Sizzle_Bear hey Sizzle, I'm in the UK and I'd love to land one of these with 20% off, can you help? I would be very grateful.
It’s a great watch. I’ve handled one and tried it on. I did not purchase it… I’m a Seiko fan, But not a ‘fan boy’… I believe it’s priced at least $150 over what it should be, but that’s par for the course for Seiko nowadays. It’s no secret that over the last couple of years they have raise their prices considerably and In my opinion haven’t added better specifications/quality to the product. Or at least not enough to justify the 30 to 50% increases in price… Thanks for the great review.
This is a beautiful watch but the reason why its so hot is because it looks exactly like the rolex Daytona, let's face it thats why we all love it, let's be honest.
I love the look of the watch. And of course, it’s a Seiko Solar, so it’ll work forever. But what the hell were they thinking with that bracelet? My gosh! Has Seiko ever brushed a watch and bracelet worse than this one? I want the watch. I’ve exhausted the internet looking at it…but I’m not spending $500 plus dollars on a watch that was polished and brushed so poorly. Then I have to buy a bracelet on top of that cost?…no thanks. Enjoy the watch…
I've got one I'll sell you. Panda dial. I'll throw away the bracelet first if you like.