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- Nick Ferrari is keen to get some answers from Tom Pursglove in his first interview as the new 'minister for legal migration and delivery'. Unfortunately, he doesn't really get any.
“I’m not going to speculate on a figure.”
Nick wants to know roughly how many people are going to be sent to Rwanda under the government's new deal. Mr Pursglove refuses to say.
Nick wants to know roughly how many people from Rwanda are coming to the UK under the government's new deal. Mr Pursglove refuses to say.
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Does anyone else feel justifiably angry every time one of these cretins says this is what the public want and what we voted for?
I'm having trouble remembering the last time we got to vote for a government and a manifesto...
Yes. Rwanda was NOT in the 2019 manifesto.
You know fine well that the British people want vastly less immigration. The majority support this.
@@daydays12 the Tories hide behind very vague statements, for example:
Manifeso commitment: we will reduce immigration
Post-election statement: we are going to pay £140 million to the Rwandan government to send zero people to Rwanda
Why are you doing that? Oh, because the British public voted to reduce immigration.
Especially when he pretends that they're concerned about criminal gangs that organise these crossings when it's this government that closed off the safe, legal routes
We're also only spending £8m/day purely because the tories are sending money from the public purse to their friends. See how many hotel owners are also their donors, and why exactly they have a 10 year contract which would continue even for the next (possibly two) governments
UK isn’t bright enough anymore for a manifesto, we just get a meaningless three word slogan slammed at us every six months
I think it would be right to send the entire Conservative government should go to Rwanda and keep them there 😂
Yes - just as long as they take the Labour party with them. I'm in despair at the joke that British politics is.
They say it is delightful there, a wonderful place says Suella Braverman.
@@richardguest4574Yes and UK REFORM supporters too
That would be the best £240 million this country has ever spent!
hahahaha you probs work in poundland
300 million wasted. Never suspect the Tories of economic wisdom again 😂
Not to mention all the other schemes they've flunked. Well, to us it's a flunk but to their mates, winning!
Let’s not forget the mini-budget which blasted a £30bn black hole in public finances
Fiscal reponsibility is a myth perpetuated by the Conservative Party. Statiscally, national debt always increases under the Tories with very little to show for it. It is true though that the wealthy do get wealthier under their watch.
Exactly right. Party of fiscal responsibility my ar*e. £100 billion of our money wasted between 2019 and 2023 alone.
They’ve gone from fiscal responsibility to faecal irresponsibility @@DellaWilliams-vo3ez
Government minister: "The £300 million spent on the Rwanda scheme is value for money because we're spending £8 million a day keeping asylum seekers in hotels."
Anyone with half a brain: "But we're only spending £8 million a day on hotels because we're not processing their applications fast enough."
Government minister: ...
The queue isn’t moving to Rwanda!
The queue remains here in expensive hotels.
And also, Tory MPs and their families are all shareholders or owners with a financial interest in the hotels they’re spending all our money on.
The more people in hotels the more of our money the Tories embezzle out of our economy.
And how many hotel owners are Tory donors?
Not an expert but I'm pretty sure £300M is around the price tag on processing 600,000 claims which would really help with that £8M a day cost.
Sick of this Tory government….
Smoke and mirrors, and they're lying through their teeth, they know it's a waste of money but don't care.
It isn't their money so why should they care. Easy come, easy go.
Rather like all the promises they keep making for 2050 rather than the next several years. very few if any of them are going to be in politics in 27 years & Rishi has already told lies & then backtracked on his promises about pretty much everything thus far.
Exactly
“ The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”
He didn't say that...
"The definition of insanity is voting for Boris Johnson" -- Arfur Zweistein
You are probably correct. But who ever did say it was correct@@bigkdog5091
What about doing nothing at all (or pretending to do something) and expecting results
The Rwandan government must be smiling like a Cheshire Cat at these ministers 😂
Laughing all the way to the bank 😂
Like the Australians laughing at our trade deal with them.🙄
It just keeps getting more and more embarrassing. Hundreds of millions gone with nothing to show for it and meanwhile we appearantly can't pay our doctors and nurses a living wage and our old freeze to death because of the greedy electricty and gas companies. Bonkers absolutely bonkers.
Why are we not supporting the hundreds of thousands in poverty in the UK? I'm sure 100M would help us enormously.
No profit in it.
The far right pretend they care about our vulnerable people just deflect from the immigration issue. Remember When Benefits Street aired? The same vitriol they got then is what immigrants are getting now.
Because when we do help our own….People on the right say … Stop their benefits! Get a job! Why should my taxes pay for them?!…. Etc etc That’s why!.
The reality is, many here in the UK don’t want to help their own, or anyone from anywhere else. They say we should help our own when they’re using it against foreigners, but in reality they don’t want to help our own at all. It’s just something people here say to stop money going to foreigners.
There's more than that available to the public purse if tax loopholes were closed and tax havens were clamped down on. I don't get to move my money around banks to avoid tax, rather its taken out before it hits the bank. This would be a better source of revenue rather than cutting back on the meagre benefits of refugees.
I really don't see the point in trying to squeeze money out of the poorest sections of society or blaming them when they wield no power and have no say but then I'm not a Tory voter.
Because if we do that then we can't say "what about our people" as an excuse any more.
We have to keep those people in need or they aren't a useful excuse any more.
One has to question the judgement of anyone who describes Robert Jenrick as a "friend".
Scary stuff eh?
Yes. The lovely guy who had them paint over the Disney murals at the asylum reception centre as it was "too welcoming". I'd say he probably pulled the legs off spiders as a child.
Both crazy
£300 million!
Wouldn't it be better to spend the money on processing these people properly rather than just sending them elsewhere
What? And make them productive tax paying members of society? Nonsense. NONSENSE I TELL YOU! /s
Exactly! That's what the other parties have been saying and typical pigheaded Tories are doing everything BUT that purely because they didn't suggest it first...
No you fool, that would make the problem go away!
@Ahrimas Fair point. Can't have the Tories drop a key part of their culture wars.
But that would reduce the perceived problems with asylum seekers so the Tory media wouldn't be able to use their plight to pander to right wing voters.
Call a General Election and lets finally get these clowns out of control!
No way they will do that mate!! Not until they destroy the country properly!!
But what is the alternative 😫
They are not clowns, they are carrying out orders of WEF, starmer is also WEF, why does noone in media ask them about their membership?
@@brianfalconer217 - Not the Tories. 👍👍👍
Labour would be worse 😢, but both ate useless
France did offer you the option to set up processing sites in France to process claims humanly and ethical but suella refused so all this is on her
She didn’t refuse, it was always a part of the plan. What else can they get their mouth’s frothing about if this issue goes away?
And when they get refused there, they simply get on a rubber boat. Why bother?
You can't have your main policy "stop the boats" if there are no boats. The whole thing is part of their election plan and it's embarrassing that people fall for it
@@HoveMania are you mad they stay in France or the French kick them out
@@HoveMania what is your plan
oh dear, when even Nick Ferrari is mocking you, you must know as Tory that things are bad....poor lad probably thought that he`d start with a nice and easy ride with Nick 😆
The face when you've even lost Nick.
he will still vote tory tho no doubt
"we've been very clear" is what a politician says before they answer a question in the most convoluted non-answer way possible.
A guy like this, given the job opportunity he has just received, will say yes to whatever he is told to do. He's a big boy now
_"Ultimately, what this is about is ending that jeopardy where people put their lives in the hands of evil criminal gangs "_
Does he mean the British peoples lives in the hands of the Tories?
Big difference between evil criminal gangs and the genocidal psychopathy of the Tories
This isn't an endorsement, but at least the boat gangs are competent and able to deliver on their promises!
@@markwelch3564 this is true. maybe they should run the country for a bit? haha
300 million just for setting up accomodation for a few hundred people? How does that work?
and 13 years they still havnt built 1 house in the uk they have built more houses in rwanda than the uk hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
They're used Boris Johnson's yearly bills as an estimate
We don't know how many it will be. He refused to give any figures. Could turn out to be just 10 or a 1000. Whatever it is, it won't stop people coming.
It's not for the cost of accommodation. This is payment to Rwanda for them to take these people. Rwanda aren't doing this out of the goodness of their heart, it's a business transaction where the commodity is people.
It doesn't .
in the UK in 2019 by voting for the funny character who made you laugh, Boris the Turk, you completely destroyed yourself 😂😂😂
The joke’s on us.
Boris the Turk who was born an American citizen in New York
Sorry, Boris the Turk, I think you need to check your spelling 😅😅😅
My conscience is clear. I voted for the guy with the beard who was going to tax the rich.
Brexit brainwashed,how's it going,its party time😅😅😅
Even Ferrari laughed about them
I've got a great idea. This 300 million that they've spent on Rwanda would go a long way to employing more people to process the backlog. And I'm not a private schooled educated minister.
Yup. This is what the government should be focusing on!
We desperately want to see a General Election!
In my work, if you don’t have figures and measurements to calculate, you shouldn’t even start a project; otherwise, you’ll just waste resources.
Do you really think that they care of those resources?! 😂😂😂 mate they have a lush life and spend our money not theirs!!
@@TheRealJT84 - It doesn't matter to them how much they 'waste'; the only concern they have is retaining power and whatever cream and kickbacks they can scoop off the top.
Mate, as an old man once said,(or woman, possibly), "there comes a time when you have to put down the shovel and stop digging that hole..."
This Tory guy has strong weasel vibes.
Which Tory doesn’t?
😂😂😂 so true.
Guy? Tory Boy surely.
This is very unfair to weasels.
What’s extraordinary is people are furious about ‘illegal’ migration but seem to have no concerns over breaking the law to get this policy through. What has happened to this country!!!!!!!!
Absolutely agree with you
agree. As someone from the legal academic you want to keep the ECHR in place otherwise we all loss our human rights and i dont trust these politicians to protect my rights.
I am not furious as they are NOT illegal. If they where they would have arrested them. Do not speak for all of us. And by the way they are asylum seekers. There is a difference. Look at the numbers they have given visa's to. All a distraction from their 13 years of failure and lies and thievery. How much of that Rwandan money made it's way back into Tory bank accounts.
@@tayibahussain Is 'coconut' a racial slur ? Asking for a friend
People. Conservatives. Lies. Hook line and sinker.
That's how we got here.
The way to stop people getting on boats is to open legal offices in France to process applications. It's NOT DIFFICULT.
This is a MANUFACTURED crisis!
Ah unfortunately, BREXIT has bolloxed any chance of an anglo french co operative ,, im sure the French are sick of these stupeeeeed UK Politicians !!!
@@studiosysthe French, and Europe are more then willing to come back to the table once the uk can send actually adults to open said channels
Hearing the talking points are straight out of the Australian playbook on boat people. "We are saving lives", "stopping criminal gangs" etc. I wonder where they got the idea from ...
A fun fact ... it ended up costings us 1 billion a year.
£300 million spent to send 100 people to Rwanda, and they can send an unlimited amount of people here, this government really knows how to negotiate 😂🤣😂. I have a bridge they can buy🤣
So we're going to send people to Rwanda and in turn they're going to send folk to the UK, what's the point of this debacle. This won't stop the boats either, there will still be people willing to risk crossing the channel.
and its only 100-200 people max. mental
I bet the Rwandans get to travel free on the returning planes!
That was not the promise. The Rwanda deal solves nothing. They would take 100 a year when the queue grows at 10,000 a year.
They make policy more important than the results , like typical dogmatists.
NHS waiting list started to grow after the Tory market reforms of 2012.
Will they accept those reforms are the problem?
No they won’t!
But but but Jeremy Corbyn, 🤦🏽
@@sarangistudent8614exactly this.. 👍
UK has complete wrong priorities! 🤦🏾 So many people suffering domestically - but ministers are busy helping Rwanda become rich!
They help urs, that went there as well..
@@costealucia5357 could you please explain what you mean by 'yours'?
how much of this could have been saved if we'd spent a fraction of that amount supporting the French in processing in Calais (which had been offered but rejected by the UK)
Rwanda: now revealed to have cost £240m plus- for absolutely nowt except promises and threats.
Well done Tories reparation paid without even asking 😂😂😂😂
Here's an idea that would help deal with the criminal gangs putting people in small boats, save £300,000,000 on the Rwanda plan and reduce the cost of keeping immigrants in hotels; how about re-opening safe and legal routes into the UK and then processing applications efficiently and quickly. Seems radical, I know, but I suspect it will work far better than anything this government has in mind.
But then there won't be any pictures of boats and hotels for their chums in the press to put on the front page!
You’re being too sensible
Just imagine how quickly £300m worth of new staff at the home office could have cleared the backlog and had the system working as intended again. All those hotels could be emptying out RIGHT NOW.
But instead we decided to spend the £300m on performative cruelty that doesn't actually achieve anything. Bravo.
The tories don't refugees at all, Simple.
Why do they insist on saying they’ve been clear and consistent rather than actually being clear or consistent
Another hopeless tory minister. Useless. Time for a general election. Time to kick these incompetents out.
Lee Anderson must be fuming that his colleague doesn’t have numbers.
They don’t have a clue because they know this idea is dead in the water.We are just wasting huge amounts of money for absolutely nothing.
Nice to hear you not being a sycophant for a change Ferrari, but the easy ride you gave in order to help the course of Brexit means you are equally responsible for this shower, it's a direct link, so thank you for that.
"I'm not going to speculate and put a figure on that" - aka: "I don't know what I'm talking about."
This must be bad if even Nick is laughing at him.
"Back to the 6th form common room Tory Boy - only come back when you have facts & show your workings".
He’s brilliant at not answering 1 question
To be fair to the Tories... 300M is less than 1% of the 35BN they funnelled to their friends and donors during the pandemic...
they added 2 trillion to our national debt whilst having austerity. how does that even work?
Just think how many Civil Service salaries that £300 million could have covered for the additional staff we need to clear the application backlog. You clear the backlog and you will be able to send back those who fail to meet the requirements and release those who have right to asylum held in what are essentially detention centres to integrate into society, as is their absolute right. Means we're not paying for barges, hotels, etc in perpetuity like we currently are.
It's common sense, so the likely reason it won't happen.
So true. Even after appointing a minister for common sense, they struggle to find any!
Which would be 99.99 if I was choosing
Why not just send them all back halfway across the Channel and then send the Civil Servants over to France to join them and save the country billions?
@@michaelglass1911 - So drowning tens of thousands of innocent people every year is your solution is it? ......That's the extent of your fear-mongered bigotry is it?
The single action that would stop the boat crossings immediately would be to reopen safe routes so people don't have to pay the despicable people smugglers.
We seem fixated on eradicating a market by targetting the consumer, instead of closing the market by making it irrelevant & targeting those who peddle in human misery...
Process the applications in a timely manner and deport as approrpiate...no need for Rwanda scheme, no need to challenge international law, no need for moral abiguity....this scheme is just a pathetic distraction that fails on every level to actually address the problem of small boats, or indeed any form of illegal migration.
Fee paid immigration judges didn’t sit at all between August 2022 and March 2023. They were told there was no money for hearings.
I remember reading 3-4 yrs ago that the Rwanda government were in the process of building two huge power stations and dams and were looking for investment and manpower 🤔🤔..i wonder if the Tories have already signed deals to provide both...
How do people like him get top government jobs?
Cuscasian privilege 😅
Are there no journalists challenging the Government claim this Rwanda lark is what the public want when it has never been put to the voters?
It wasn't in their 2019 manifesto. The closest I can find there is "a commitment to protecting refugees and granting asylum to those facing persecution and oppression"...
There are plently. Just none in the MSM.
There was clearly a deal done when Boris went into hospital-since then they only criticise them about Covid breaches. The media showed no interest in them wasting nearly 9 billion on useless PPE by giving their pals the deals to make it-which should have been a huge national scandals-instead it was about the sixth item on the news & buried on page twenty something of the paper-at that point it became obvious they are a bunch of cowards.
My wife is disabled,and we have to fight too and nail to get suitable accommodation to suit us,we are both Scottish pensioners with disabilities,so maybe if they can send us to Rwanda we call the UK from there to help us ,then we can get help with our problems
😊😊
300m to send 100 people away. im sure we can find 100 people willing to leave the UK if we get 3m EACH!
@@kanedNunable lol spot on
You will have to throw away your passport first....@@kanedNunable
Stop the bloats!
I wonder whos getting back handers over rhis
Tories and royalty
I think Suella has personal connections with people on the Rwandan government, this whole thing is just to enrich herself 😂
Average salary in Rwanda is about 6 000 £/yr. I'm sure the Rwandan government appreciates you financing their public services for a bit 🤣🤣🤣
You're far too generous. The average salary in Rwanda is actually about £3.600/yr
I'm not the one sending them 300 million. But ok @@demophys4883
What are these " BOAT PEOPLE " going to DO when they get there ? Play cards ? Whats the PLAN .? Or isnt there one ?
Think of the refugee processing center they could have built in France for £300 M!!
He is a fine example of the definition of a politician as someone who says a lot that means nothing. They've had years to address this problem and have achieved nothing other than spending millions of our money doing it.
I thought that James Cleverly stated to Parliament that the Treaty had not cost any more money but the Immigration Minister, seemed to contradict this? Who is right here?
Both are... They are conservatives.
At the end it's the "will of the people" and "they will deliver".
My opinion?
Every country deserves the government they chose for...
🤷🏻♂️
I have a better headline: “Nick Ferrari, after over a decade of carrying water for the Tories, tries to earn back a modicum of credibility by asking “the hard questions”.
Unbelievable simply unbelievable. The BEST Sunak can find to do the job. Should fit in very well with the present cabinet. Patents on trolleys in corridors for over 40 hours at the QMC hospital Nottingham in fact the corridors are nearly full, homeless man froze to death last week. Sunak is responsible.
Churchill couldn't defend the Rwanda scheme. Everyone in Sunak's cabinet is disposable by association.
But hang on, we've sent the 300 million to Rwanda, and we're STILL spending 8 million a day on hotels, so as far as I can make out, we're 300 million down on the deal, with no current prospect of that changing. Am I losing my mind??
i love how they dont answer a question haha. GET THEM OUT OF POWER!
So, to conclude, we're not able to say how many will be going to Rwanda, but it's probable that people from Rwanda will be coming here. Don't worry, the public purse will pay far too much for it all.
13 years of Tory government and Sunak still hasn't stopped the Small Boats.
Much as I dislike Sunak, this is on the party in general, not him. Don't forget this when putting down your vote, they're rotten to the core.
Brexiteers argued the Dublins Accords were failing becuase 200 a month arrived by rubber boat.
They ignored the thousands who came by other means, which labour used to remove using them..
Now 1000 a month arrive by rubber boat and we don’t have the Dublin accords.
And they still blame the EU, and not themselves.
Voting Tory and Brexit created the issue,
"The small boats" weren't a problem until 2021 after Britain left the Dublin accord through Brexit.
To be fair to the Tories they have tried their very best to make this country unattractive to almost everyone...
First, I don't like the current Tories. But your comment is completely off.
The dinghy problem started after Brexit and the inability to send those people back to France.
Sunak hasn't been in power for 13 years.
And he won't solve the problem as the solution isn't workable. It is just to anger some people about it not being solved.
Whenever a politician’s opening words are “we’ve been very clear on this….” You know it’s going to be as clear as mud mixed with hot tarmac and treacle
How much will this cost the NHS? Or, more correctly the tax payer. So, the very small number of people we send to Rwanda, we will then have exactly the same small number returned to the UK, as an expensive burden on the NHS. What a truly brilliant idea. I'm impressed!
at least he tried, bless him🤠👌
If he had any self respect or a spine, he wouldn't do Rishi's bidding.
Nick thinking he’s holding the government to account. Unfortunately it’s nothing more than a tummy tickle interview and years too late.
The Rwanda government should be praised for .... accepting £ millions as a gift with no conditions. What twaddle.
How can they, with a straight face, suggest Rwanda is a safe country for which to send people when we might need to intake refugees from them. If it’s so safe and secure, why would they have refugees 🙃
They are barking mad.
In the context of people headed to the UK from Rwanda as part of this agreement he says:
“If there is somebody in Rwanda that we can support more effectively then we would be willing to consider that.”
In one sentence he completely dismantled the whole argument for sending anyone there in the first place.
Whenever a politician starts with ‘We’ve been very clear…’ 😂
Poor Nick, he facilitated brexit, the tories and the division we now have, he needs to keep his crazy far right audience but knows he will look like a fool if he supports the tories any more! 😂😂
we,v been very clear is a sunak opening line we all heard a thousand times , iam getting a headache with it,so going to swap ileagals with complex needs patients,hahaha the plot thickens!
Yeah i'm sure we have some veterans with complex needs in this country that £300 million quid could have helped better.
@@countmalin70 naa most dead now from ww2 they were the veterans
I am part of "the public" and I am not "desperate to see this situation solved". Why do these idiots keep telling us what we want when the evidence suggests most people are much more concerned about the NHS, the cost of living, energy prices etc?
This fool doesn't understand money. With £300 million all the faulty schools could be fixed.The legal costs are on top.
I worked in the back office of immigration from 2006 - 2012 but can't say too much. However; if you want a ball park figure on future Rwandan successful applicants you just look at the average amount of those who were granted entry and either double or treble it! Even if you're wrong you won't be far off...
Why did u quit and what u say here seems irrelevant
Will we ever get a straight answer from a politician!
He said that the latest ruling found that “Rwanda is institutionally and culturally incapable as matters presently stand of operating a proper asylum review system”. And, the former chief justice added, rewriting a treaty as Rishi Sunak now plans to do “won’t make any difference” because “Rwanda doesn’t have the institutional strength to be able to observe its own treaty obligations”.
"Very very small number"? I heard that statement 5 or 6 years ago about immigrants coming from Europe.
Ferrari should have asked if there was a limit on the ratio between those going UK-Rwanda and those in the other direction.
What people don't realise is that a lot of not majority of trade deals involves agreements on flow of people.
If you want to export your goods to another country then expect some migration to come your way... Ireland has this with north Africa
At last Ferrari holding them to account👏👏👏
It's far too little too late from Mr. F.
The first victim of politics is honesty
It can't ever work..only accommodation for 100 persons in Rwanda according to the minister earlier this week..that equates to 3 million pounds per person if it goes ahead..🤬🤬🤬
They only have one script… “the PM has been very clear… very determined… to deliver… focussed…”
Pathetic.
All a mess
This is absolutely ridiculous. We've given 300 million to some bloke who has trousered it for absolutely nothing. Why even involve Rwanda. If these people are to be deported, just take them back to their country of origin, escorted on a normal flight.
When chief gammon Ferrari is laughing at you you know it's bad. 😂😂
They really are struggling, they’ve appointed a Frank Spencer tribute act as replacement for ‘honest bob’🤣
This country has become an embarrassment. Nothing less. Humiliating being a citizen represented by delusional self serving tyrants who represent nobody but those who recall the echos of an empire that is as much of an embarrassment to us young as those who represent us today.
Tom looks like the type of guy that tried to tell you this HDMI cable is better than that HDMI cable while you were minding your business in Curry's.
He doesn't believe the government should be accountable to the public.
THEY FOUND ANOTHER ONE WHICH STONE WAS THIS ONE HIDING UNDER ? PLEASE PUT IT BACK.
As soon as a politician says “we’ve been very clear” I immediately turn off.
300 million which could have been invested in the UK instead of a single plane trip
Can you please explain how spending people's money without their permission is a partnership 🤔
The Rwandan government should be praised for accepting 300 million of our money? This man is the new Immigration Minister. They really are running out of options.
He's only half an immigration minister at that.
Sunak yet again doesn't believe any 1 of his MPs can do the job properly but instead of installing another Lord, he split the job in 2 😆😆