Debugging 101: Replace print() with icecream ic()

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  • čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
  • Today we learn about the Python package called icecream, which you should use instead of print when debugging your code.
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  • @monkmcfunk
    @monkmcfunk Před 7 měsíci +557

    You could do this all much quicker by just inserting the built in python debugger with the line "import pdb; pdb.set_trace()" where you would normally put your print statement. It will then start the debugger in your terminal and you can view and even change all variables during execution. It also helps finding exactly where your code is breaking as you're stepping through the code line by line. I can't recommend it enough.

    • @amminamaro
      @amminamaro Před 7 měsíci +80

      And recall in Python >=3.7 you can simply use `breakpoint()`

    • @monkmcfunk
      @monkmcfunk Před 7 měsíci +8

      Ah! I didn't know that, thanks🎉🎉

    • @jostafro4967
      @jostafro4967 Před 7 měsíci +13

      Thank you. I have been debugging code for like 2 weeks using print and exit()

    • @gpeschke
      @gpeschke Před 7 měsíci +20

      Don't get too cozy with that. ><
      Professional environments often lack the ability to run debuggers. You are only guaranteed print logging. Debuggers come later. Ice cream as a better print starts to look real good in cutting edge environments.
      They may(or may not) have caught up now, but during my time, cloud/embedded systems lacked debug support. Odds are, the next cutting edge thing will too.

    • @monkmcfunk
      @monkmcfunk Před 7 měsíci +13

      @@gpeschkeWhat kind of environment doesn't have access to the terminal? The python debugger is a standard library included with python, and it starts in the same place where you would see your print statements.

  • @davidrusca2
    @davidrusca2 Před 7 měsíci +315

    You know, from 3.10 onward you can essentially do this without packages by doing print(f"{variable=}").
    Putting an = after the thing you are formating makes it so that it tells you the name/calculation together with the value.

    • @shubhamshrivastava5812
      @shubhamshrivastava5812 Před 7 měsíci +8

      He covered this at the beginning

    • @RogerValor
      @RogerValor Před 7 měsíci +70

      @@shubhamshrivastava5812 well he only hinted outputting with f function, but not the = suffix, which is interesting information.

    • @kenjain
      @kenjain Před 7 měsíci +16

      I think the key advantages of icecream here are - being able to store the returned value, automatic context (line number, function name), ability to write to files rather than stdout, and the ability to disable all ic logging with a single command as opposed to tracking down every print statement you added while debugging.
      I would compare icecream to the `logging` package in python's standard library and not to `print` with f-strings.

    • @DontAddMe
      @DontAddMe Před 7 měsíci +4

      ok wow. I'm using string formatting for so long but never knew this. Awesome. But the ic looking like less writing required than that;

    • @subway394
      @subway394 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Thanks for this tip 🙂

  • @thetruth45678
    @thetruth45678 Před 7 měsíci +132

    One of the first things I do in any new language is create a debugging system. Helps to get you confortable with the syntax and environment, and gives you the tools up front to progress more efficiently.
    This is nice, too.

    • @joshmosley
      @joshmosley Před 7 měsíci +4

      Sounds like a good project, thanks

    • @JanB1605
      @JanB1605 Před 7 měsíci +1

      When you say that you create a debugging system, what does this entail for you?

    • @thetruth45678
      @thetruth45678 Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@JanB1605 Honestly, probably way more than I need. Usually, a sepatate console window that runs with the program, or if fullscreen, a separate screen I switch to that shows the state of current elements. Recently, I've been programming quite a bit directly on my phone in Pygame with Pydroid3, and it doesn't have a way to show debug print() statements in a console like you would normally have in an IDE, so I use pygame to draw the debug info direcrly to the game as it runs. I'll write my debug info to a txt file for later review while also displaying it in the program. The particulars depend on the application, but I usually get the variable name, its value, variable type, line number, filename, possibly a traceback, etc. The normal output you would need to swuash bugs.

    • @emmaaberg3566
      @emmaaberg3566 Před 4 měsíci

      Got any video on good debugging systems?

    • @sdmagic
      @sdmagic Před měsícem

      @@emmaaberg3566 There are ton of CZcams videos on debugging in VSCode. If they don't satisfy you, check out debugging in Visual Studio (similar). There are also a ton of CZcams videos on debugging in Pycharm if that's your thing. And of course, some for Sublime and others.

  • @doofsCat
    @doofsCat Před 7 měsíci +203

    Learnt something useful today. Thanks, this is something I will probably use in my classes as debugging is what I do 99% of the time.

    • @Djellowman
      @Djellowman Před 7 měsíci +14

      Use a debugger

    • @sigma_z
      @sigma_z Před 7 měsíci +5

      ​@@Djellowmanas a viewer of bad code, I approve this message.

    • @Skrattoune
      @Skrattoune Před 7 měsíci +3

      ​@@Djellowman vs-code debuger is still not very good with Django... So this ic seems a good option to me

    • @1234567qwerification
      @1234567qwerification Před 7 měsíci

      With Django, I failed to use even the PyCharm's debugger 🤷‍♂️
      (I haven't googled yet, though.)

    • @thelearningmachine_
      @thelearningmachine_ Před 7 měsíci +6

      I made a custom logger once with a decorator style function, similar to this and called "log_it", Tired of debugging step-by-step and wanted a complete debug during a full run.
      Was like a swissknife that I could simple plug @ on any unknow function that somebody had written to "log_it" and check what was done. Printed the functions names that were being executed, the *args, **kwargs, variables values / types, total elapsed time, memory comsuption, functions results, and log errors aswell. Had a option to print only or save all this data every run in rootfolder /logs.json. There were functions in module to retrieve all the log history back to check what was done.
      No complications, just put the module in root folder of any project, decorated the functions with @log_it and the magic happened
      I'm not the IT guy (i'm financist) but damn, I felt like a python god when I was learning and wrote those 50-100 lines lol

  • @BillyChan77
    @BillyChan77 Před 6 měsíci +7

    Not going to lie, I use A LOT of print statement to debug. This is very cool , learn something new and will start trying TODAY!

  • @RobertLugg
    @RobertLugg Před 7 měsíci +33

    Very useful. Don't worry about "professional" way. Log files and print statements are the way to debug large runtime programs.

    • @sdmagic
      @sdmagic Před měsícem +2

      @RobertLugg, Log files are very useful.

  • @davidfell5496
    @davidfell5496 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Interesting. Will check it out. The 'timing' of when the icecream output happens looks relevant and you didn't touch on the behaviour there. But a nice introduction. Thank you.

  • @benlpayne
    @benlpayne Před 6 měsíci +15

    I would suggest skipping ice cream and going straight to python logging. It give much more control over how/what logging in emitted. I have found on many projects that starting from day 1 with using logging, instead of print is a great idea. The only thing I see that ic does that other don't is the quick ability to wrap a lines of code in ic and get a decent print that can help quickly debug issues. That said a debugger could also solve that use case.

    • @yasink18
      @yasink18 Před 5 měsíci

      Same 😊😊

    • @molohktegg2462
      @molohktegg2462 Před 4 měsíci

      I was going to post this. Using logging levels feels much cleaner and flexible.

    • @sg8nj
      @sg8nj Před 3 měsíci

      Yes I agree

  • @Syfmuna
    @Syfmuna Před 7 měsíci +9

    Thanks so much, I'm constantly learning new things from your videos and it's like this video was made for me. I was feeling specifically targeted when you were talking about using print(a) and print(type(a)), etc. 😄

    • @1234567qwerification
      @1234567qwerification Před 7 měsíci

      I used at least print(f'(where): {var=}').
      Or logging.debug(...)
      (Yes, I know, it is not effective, and it is discouraged by the linters.)

  • @MegaJohn144
    @MegaJohn144 Před 7 měsíci

    I just found out about ice cream a couple of days ago. It was just what I needed when I needed it. Right now, I am developing in Flask, which doesn't print to the console, unless you flush. Ice cream takes care on that.

  • @CodePhiles
    @CodePhiles Před 7 měsíci

    this is good to take debugging step by step, it reaches out to be complicated at the end, so I think it would be better to show the real level at the end, which is the built in debugger, where you can do all the debugging techniques ( breakpoints, tracing code line by line, viewing all variables..etc )

  • @KenHolm
    @KenHolm Před 7 měsíci

    Great insight. Always love your videos!

  • @vani8109
    @vani8109 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Only after hearing it a dozen times did I realize that the function ic() is supposed to be a pun "I see" lol

  • @adamewing3702
    @adamewing3702 Před 7 měsíci

    This is very cool! Didn't know about it, but this looks super helpful. Thanks!

  • @Tanger68
    @Tanger68 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Sounds like I'm calling goodbye() on print()! Thanks for the video mate, super handy

  • @Omnifarious0
    @Omnifarious0 Před 7 měsíci +7

    I don't think there's anything more 'professional' about using a debugger.
    And I'm really happy to learn about this new tool. It looks awesome. I sort of wonder if the enable and/or disable functionality can be used as a context manager.

    • @Omnifarious0
      @Omnifarious0 Před 7 měsíci +4

      @@skulver - I don't like them. They encourage the creation of code that can only be understood by stepping through it with a debugger, and they often don't actually work, or they alter the environment enough that the bug doesn't occur when you're running in the debugging environment. They're also often a huge pain to attach to things that are doing things like handling web requests.
      As for IDEs, I only sometimes use a debugger in the context of one. Perhaps, more often than not. But I do frequently use a debugger from the command line, when I use a debugger at all.
      Sometimes, they're a good tool, and I will use them if I think I can solve my problem more efficiently by using one. But, most of the time, a print statement is all I need.

    • @HT79
      @HT79 Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​​@@Omnifarious0 I think debuggers truly shine when there's an external dependency. For example, in an ETL script, you will get the data from multiple external sources and no matter how well you frame your code, there's bound to be unexpected behaviour since the data itself might be misformatted. Adding print statements in this case can quickly become tedious especially if the parts of the data are correlated with each other.
      Also, the problem with the prints is that it requires due diligence to clean them all up once you're done.
      Another important use case of a debugger is the flexibility to poke further into the other instances based on the behaviour during runtime. Let say if i got some value as X instead of Y, I can quickly examine why that's the case when the program is suspended at the breakpoint. In case of a print statement, I'd have to rewrite them at a different level and rerun the program. And this would be a huge headache if you code requires a lot of time to setup up things.

    • @Omnifarious0
      @Omnifarious0 Před 7 měsíci

      @@HT79 - Of course, the flip side of the fact that print statements require diligence to remove is that sometimes the print statements become an excellent guide to what should be logged. :-) Especially at the DEBUG or INFO levels.

    • @Investigamer
      @Investigamer Před 6 měsíci

      @@Omnifarious0 Debuggers are great when they work as intended, Pycharm has an excellent debugger in my experience. However you do run into situations where they become nearly impossible to use solely due to a dependency out of your control. For over a year straight there was a bug in Kivy that had no negative consequence for my application whatsoever but would instantly crash the debugger anytime I run my app, so the debugger was essentially unusable for me for that project for an entire year. I didn't force a solution to the issue, because I'm perfectly comfortable debugging without a debugger, but it just highlights how fragile they can be sometimes.

  • @MyTubeAIFlaskApp
    @MyTubeAIFlaskApp Před 7 měsíci +1

    Nice tip, I tried it and enjoy the results. I believe it will become my tool of choice.

  • @masterds163
    @masterds163 Před 7 měsíci

    Great! Thanks for all your work and great videos! 👍

  • @dariusesterhuizen5925

    This is a nice showcase of icecream IC. Looks nice for some smaller projects. I do think, however, that there are better options to replace a good old print() statement, some of which are named in other comments. As for the pretty printing, if you add a bit more depth to some of those dictionarie, it could become bothersome to find what you are looking for. It is nice to be able to write the output to a file. Alternative for this includes the logging module which allows you to log on certain levels. Using logging together with some of the other builtin features might give you a nice solution that depends on standard library only.
    It is convenient, however, to have everything with a simple function call.

  • @StuartWoodwardJP
    @StuartWoodwardJP Před 7 měsíci

    Very useful! I will be using it from now on changing my 25 year old habit of using print()

  • @Zorcky-2C
    @Zorcky-2C Před 7 měsíci +1

    Omg I just finished a project with lots of loops to manage some big dictionnaires and 2d array. Debugging with print and debugger was such a pain in the ass.
    I wish CZcams recommended me this video 2 weeks ago. It could have saved me from lots of troubles

    • @archardor3392
      @archardor3392 Před měsícem

      Should have used pandas. You basically reinvented the wheel, but as a cube...

    • @sdmagic
      @sdmagic Před měsícem +1

      @Zorcky-2C, when dealing with embedded dictionaries and lists like you would get from a non-trivial YAML file, I find the pprint library to be invaluable.

  • @themuslimview
    @themuslimview Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thanks so much. As a Python Data Engineer, this is incredibly useful

    • @yasink18
      @yasink18 Před 5 měsíci

      I think you should try logging

  • @michaelhoffmann2891
    @michaelhoffmann2891 Před 2 měsíci +1

    While I can appreciate the tool (I'd written myself helpers that do similar things, so good to know there's a fully developed, feature-rich package for it), I feel that yous examples here made me go "akshually, that's what proper unit tests should do".

  • @yingfengwang3838
    @yingfengwang3838 Před 7 měsíci

    very nice library, thanks for sharing. Exactly what i am looking for!! thanks again!

  • @Akshatgiri
    @Akshatgiri Před 4 měsíci

    The best part is that it returns the value from a function. Makes it easier to throw in print statements.

  • @Chalisque
    @Chalisque Před 7 měsíci +4

    I found this video earlier today. Tried icecream out. Love it. Bye bye print(). An idiom is to use ic();ic(foo,bar) so as to print out the line at the same time. It would have been nice to have some way to tell ic() to always print out the line number. It shouldn't be hard to hack it in, so I'll poke around. I'm actually quite curious how it works.

    • @shu7bh
      @shu7bh Před 7 měsíci

      I think with the ic.configureOutput, just put the prefix as ic() so it'll give the line number every time? Didn't try but could work

    • @Chalisque
      @Chalisque Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@shu7bh Thanks, I'd missed that.
      ic.configureOutput(includeContext=True)

  • @MrFlexNC
    @MrFlexNC Před 7 měsíci +15

    People will move mountains so they don't have to use the logging package

    • @hamesjetfield0
      @hamesjetfield0 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Or use an actual debugger. It's so much better than anything else.

    • @jostafro4967
      @jostafro4967 Před 7 měsíci +1

      That’s me. I have been putting off learning how to use it

    • @Cowboydjrobot
      @Cowboydjrobot Před 7 měsíci +1

      Proper Logging and a real debugger are the most valuable tools for debugging

  • @TacioMedeiros0
    @TacioMedeiros0 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Nice package, didn't know about it. But I expected more...
    The introduction with the 3 prints (a+b, a and type(a)) made me expect that it would have a simple way to print the type, maybe some statistics about the number of times some line of the code was reached and other more fanciful common debugging strategies.
    Also, I didn't like that it returns back what the function would return. This just makes it easier for some `ic` call to go into production by mistake.

  • @XCanG
    @XCanG Před 7 měsíci +2

    For stylized output I used "rich" library, usually with "rich.inspect", otherwise "rich.print"

    • @XCanG
      @XCanG Před 7 měsíci

      I just quickly checked "ic", and find one big downside, it doesn't work with None values at all.
      Usually for this sort of debugging I need to check if value is set and not None, I do this kind of check all the time, but because ic behave differently, it does not work. And those kind of checks would not work at all in REPL. A short example:
      >>> ic({"a": None}["a"])
      ic| Error: Failed to access the underlying source code for analysis. Was ic() invoked in a REPL (e.g. from the command line), a frozen application (e.g. packaged with PyInstaller), or did the underlying source code change during execution?
      let's just say that dict is some variable that I'm working with and it have optional value, with None as result it do a different thing.

  • @brpawankumariyengar4227
    @brpawankumariyengar4227 Před 7 měsíci

    Very good video …. Thanks for letting us know about ice cream …. I feel like the actual ice cream , this will be one liked by all 😀 …. Thank you so very much for such a great video ❤

  • @ramghongde4669
    @ramghongde4669 Před 7 měsíci

    Lovely! I will use this in the project i'm working on currently.

  • @aar021
    @aar021 Před 7 měsíci

    Brilliant! Thank you for a really useful tip.

  • @Serpensin
    @Serpensin Před 7 měsíci +6

    Good to know.
    Right now, I do most stuff like that:
    ```Python
    pt = print
    def print(msg):
    if sys.gettrace() is not None:
    pt(msg)
    ```
    But I also use BP a lot, since VS starts python in debugging anyway. And if you set a BP, you can then use F11, to step through the code (or start it with F11).

    • @faremir
      @faremir Před 7 měsíci

      try logging library. Its... 10x better than any print.

  • @TonyHammitt
    @TonyHammitt Před 7 měsíci +20

    I tend to do a lot more poking around at the >>> prompt, copying and pasting between an editor and the python prompt while trying things out. You don't lose state that way, files and sockets stay open, etc. which makes it easier to test more complicated things. And the objects are all there if you want to see some details. Depends how comfortable you are with IDEs, but I try not to rely on them much because a lot of the time I'm logged in to a system through 3 successive ssh sessions and just won't have many tools available. I can see icecream becoming part of a workflow once it's installed by default. Most systems I can't even run pip on since they lack access to the Internet.

    • @ryancritchlow5495
      @ryancritchlow5495 Před 7 měsíci +4

      If you use the -i flag when running a script (python -i main.py) the script won't exit when it is finished, and you can still access variables etc

    • @amminamaro
      @amminamaro Před 7 měsíci

      An interesting alternative would be to use the built in `breakpoint()` function which will set you up using the inbuilt debugger (pdb). You can think of it as a supercharged >>> prompt as it also will allow you step through functions!

    • @samueldaniels8415
      @samueldaniels8415 Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​@@amminamaromind elaborating for a debugging novice?

  • @samoylov1973
    @samoylov1973 Před 7 měsíci +1

    rich inspect and rich logging handler are a little bit more sophisticated and better, but icecream is also nice.

  • @user-vf1mh6nb5q
    @user-vf1mh6nb5q Před 6 měsíci

    When I started programming back in 1980/90s we didn't have debuggers. So never really got out of the habit of print statement debugging :D

  • @siryeetwilliams2440
    @siryeetwilliams2440 Před 4 měsíci

    this video changed everything for me. thank you 🍦

  • @RyanBrockey
    @RyanBrockey Před 7 měsíci

    Great tour of Icecream. Thanks!

  • @johankorten2797
    @johankorten2797 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for sharing! Looks great.

  • @bettertogether4089
    @bettertogether4089 Před 7 měsíci

    Excellent video. highly recommended.

  • @TheRealChicken
    @TheRealChicken Před 7 měsíci +9

    5:22 Why the hell does the print execute before the ic? or is the ic running in like a thread seperate from the main thread and just takes longer?

    • @TheRealChicken
      @TheRealChicken Před 7 měsíci

      or does it only print normally when you assignt it to a variable and the ic only gets printed when printing the variable later on? not on pc so cant test it rn but I think what I said above makes way more sense

    • @Lord2225
      @Lord2225 Před 7 měsíci

      It uses stderr by default, look into the source it is pretty simple library

    • @realvoximir
      @realvoximir Před měsícem

      @@TheRealChicken it uses stderr

  • @pythoneatssquirrel
    @pythoneatssquirrel Před 3 měsíci

    I am using the same method in order to reg logs but without icecream, just adding what is needed using strings to a txt file among with the date stamp. Wondering which version is more memory effective.

  • @madhuvalan7693
    @madhuvalan7693 Před 7 měsíci

    This is way better than logger, nice content

  • @mdraisulislamrimon9808
    @mdraisulislamrimon9808 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for sharing this python package - icecream. nice tutorial

  • @paulthomas1052
    @paulthomas1052 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks - great library !

  • @syedzainzaidi8929
    @syedzainzaidi8929 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Can you please teach us how to use keyboard shortcuts in the editor like how you were doing?

  • @demcookies
    @demcookies Před 2 měsíci +1

    Great alternative without any imports is f-strings with Python 3.8 and up.
    For example:
    ```
    def is_odd(a: int) -> int:
    return i % 2
    num: int = 123
    print(f"{is_odd(num) = ") # prints: "is_odd(123) = 1"
    mylist: list[str] = ["a", "b", "c"]
    print(f"{mylist=") # prints: 'mylist=["a", "b", "c"]'
    ```

  • @mahmodi5timetolearn
    @mahmodi5timetolearn Před 7 měsíci

    Always with something amazing thanks

  • @DesignFIaw
    @DesignFIaw Před 7 měsíci +24

    Of course py is mainly scripts, but I have an issue with the way icecream works - you sort of have to build it into your program. Just because you call ic.disable you're still adding a built in overhead to your entire program, and stripping it can become an exponentially hard task if you rely on it too much. Not to say that it's not useful, but there is definitely a trade-off between development time and performance overhead and you need to consider.

    • @willmann96
      @willmann96 Před 7 měsíci +14

      I don't think you should be leaving prints in your code anyways. If you need to hardcore some kind of feedback that's what logging is for.

    • @somexne
      @somexne Před 7 měsíci +3

      I Agree with Willman. Icecream is for developing debug, not for production logging. There are other libraries for that.

    • @nio804
      @nio804 Před 7 měsíci

      You can have a conditional import that replaces ic with a no-op if you don't want to have it as a dependency. That's probably what I would do; import ic if it's available, and replace it with a simple print or no-op otherwise.

    • @somexne
      @somexne Před 6 měsíci

      @@nio804 This is not what OP's talking about.

  • @coolpix807
    @coolpix807 Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you for sharing this very useful tool.

  • @ConradoFonseca
    @ConradoFonseca Před 7 měsíci +3

    Why the output for result 30 appears/printed before the output for IC? @5:22
    [EDITED] I just saw that this happens on every run, the IC output always comes after the program runs. I'm curious to know why.

  • @vms_kt
    @vms_kt Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you. It is really useful even for beginners.

  • @maxphite
    @maxphite Před 29 dny

    wow! So nice and really useful! Thanks bro!

  • @rolandsz8831
    @rolandsz8831 Před 2 měsíci

    The interesting question is, how does this work. If you are familiar with python, you know, that if you see a line like func1(func2(value)), the order of execution is this: evaluate 'value', call 'func2' on 'value', call 'func2' on the result of the func1 call. So func2 will never see that it's argument was generated with func1. So how can the function ic examine it's arguments BEFORE they get evaluated? The answer in case of icecream, it uses a package named 'executing' which let's you inspect the current frame and the related AST. I would like to see a video on that topic.

  • @mr14hsoj
    @mr14hsoj Před 7 měsíci +12

    Personally, I think f-strings are almost equivalent and prevent me from adding another dependency to my project. For example,
    print(f'{add(30, 70) = }')
    will result in printing: add(30, 70) = 100
    This is essentially the same thing that printing with ic will do, just using an '=' instead of a ':'.
    I think the nice dictionary printing is a good feature, but I usually just use pretty print (pprint) for this. E.g.
    import pprint
    pprint.pprint(data)
    This does still need to be imported, but only if you need to be printing dictionaries this way AND it's a built-in module so still no extra dependency.

    • @ConradoFonseca
      @ConradoFonseca Před 7 měsíci

      Do you really need it as a project dependency? Have you added pprint to your project's dependencies? Can you use it as a development tool only?

    • @davidrusca2
      @davidrusca2 Před 7 měsíci

      +

  • @javaxerjack
    @javaxerjack Před 7 měsíci

    Thankyou. this is really useful to me.

  • @user-qy6en2lf2e
    @user-qy6en2lf2e Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you bro this video is so informative

  • @RazgrizDuTTA
    @RazgrizDuTTA Před 7 měsíci +1

    In Julia you have the built-in macro @show to do that. I love Julia :) and I wish it was more widespread.

  • @codelinx
    @codelinx Před 4 měsíci

    Really good info. Like the little niceties ice cream adds

  • @abhinandanghosh2354
    @abhinandanghosh2354 Před 7 měsíci

    great video learnt something new thanks ✌✌

  • @datboi_gee
    @datboi_gee Před 3 měsíci

    not a bad place to start, was just curious on an idea that hit me earlier for a print-based debugging library just as a little project idea and wondering if one's been built / how well it works. even if nothing more than a small build for the fun of it, it would be kind of cool to have a whole suite of functions uniquely designed for capturing, tagging, storing, parsing, and comparing variables at common intervals. haven't thought nearly enough about how it would be done optimally (if at all) but it would be nice to have any given value stored alongside different "distilled" states that you set, so that an algo can detect "this is how this data value should transform under conditions A, B, C, and D within these states" and flag + auto-track deviations over time. if the library was robust and clever enough it might be able to catch your own fuck-ups well before you do in those cases where breakpoints and typical debugging isn't ideal.
    As a side-note, you *can* capture a function's return data while simultaneously calling it within print, but you'd have to use a walrus operator.
    print(result := add(10,20))
    print(result)
    would print 30 twice.

  • @rmt3589
    @rmt3589 Před 7 měsíci +3

    This is amazing! Is there something like this for C++?Regardless, this would be helpful for a couple projects I'm struggling with in python.

    • @AI-xi4jk
      @AI-xi4jk Před 7 měsíci +4

      In C++ fmt library can print lots of things by default - saves your time to avoid manual looping to print a vector for example. You can extend it too, maybe there are more advanced printing libraries idk. Fmt will be used in regular print in C++23.
      I personally prefer to debug but it’s not often possible in multithreaded or other kinds of environments. Ideally you unit test and keep your code clear so you don’t have to debug 😅 but it always comes down to it anyway.

  • @Kirizan
    @Kirizan Před 7 měsíci +6

    I noticed at around 8:30, you have the ic() statement before the return value, but in the console output, the return value comes before the ic() output. Is there a reason for this?

    • @vytah
      @vytah Před 7 měsíci +5

      print prints to stdout, ic prints to stderr, and they can get interleaved due to buffering.

    • @thaimeuu
      @thaimeuu Před 4 měsíci

      @@vytah Thank you

  • @dedpossum66
    @dedpossum66 Před 2 měsíci

    The functionality described at 4:45-4:55 could be achieved by print by using the walrus to assign the variable in question

  • @willymays2
    @willymays2 Před 7 měsíci +2

    ¡Excelente video! muy buena idea para no tener que llenar de print todo el código

  • @danclark9987
    @danclark9987 Před 7 měsíci

    Very nice library! ❤

  • @belphegorvegas7000
    @belphegorvegas7000 Před 7 měsíci +1

    seems like a good solution when using terminal editor, it’s kinda annoying to download debugger

  • @bart2019
    @bart2019 Před 7 měsíci

    Is there a way to configure ic so that it is virtually removed, so that you can leave them in the source code but not only does it not ouput anything, but it even doesn't slow it down?

  • @ChrisHalden007
    @ChrisHalden007 Před 7 měsíci

    Very useful. Thanks

  • @Wilhuf1
    @Wilhuf1 Před 7 měsíci

    Liked. Will need to try ic.

  • @Mark4Jesus
    @Mark4Jesus Před měsícem

    Cool. Seems like it would be smoother for the 1st example to just decorate the add function with ic. Could that work?

  • @dbldekr
    @dbldekr Před 6 měsíci

    Logging is great, but dropping in a "breakpoint()" with pdb++ will still be my go to for actual debugging.

  • @scottlee38
    @scottlee38 Před 7 měsíci

    I think I will start using this module!

  • @vikrantpawar
    @vikrantpawar Před 6 měsíci

    Which ide is this?,
    Also is there a plugin which auto populate argument keys?

  • @joseezranazarenevergabera8392

    how did you do what you did in timestamp 4:11? that's pretty cool.

  • @NoidoDev
    @NoidoDev Před 6 měsíci

    Ah, this is partially how it would normally work in at least some variant of Lisp I know: (setq result (print "foo")) prints and sets the result variable (called symbol) to "foo" but also still returns "foo".

  • @lalokiga
    @lalokiga Před 7 měsíci

    usefull info 😀😀thank you bro...

  • @rstiekema
    @rstiekema Před měsícem

    How do you automiatcally get all the argument names added when calling a function?

  • @tahiralauddin79
    @tahiralauddin79 Před 7 měsíci

    I don't know if someone else ever told you. But I have seen plenty of your videos and they are awesome.
    Me along with so many people watch would really appreciate if you could zoom in the recording a little bit. The text is kinda small, it could potentially harm our eyes to watch videos for hours. I am sure you don't want your viewers and subscribers to get eye glasses 🤓 ❤

  • @PoeLemic
    @PoeLemic Před 7 měsíci

    This is really helpful, because I'm trying to come up to speed with Python. I used to use Basic, but I see Python is the future. So, I subbed, and please keep making this great content.

  • @AliciaMarkoe
    @AliciaMarkoe Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you 🦋

  • @christianmontagx8461
    @christianmontagx8461 Před 7 měsíci

    Replace ic() by proper Unit Tests and use KISS... I'm not a Python developer but what in C# works should also be possible with Python.

  • @MiguelRodriguez2010
    @MiguelRodriguez2010 Před 2 měsíci

    Sweet! Thanks

  • @Artificial.Unintelligence
    @Artificial.Unintelligence Před 7 měsíci

    Dumb question - @4:05 or slightly after.. you do a keyboard mash to select just that word (print in this case) and replace.. what keyboard combo are you hitting to do that so fast?
    I'm familiar with double clicking with the mouse to select just the word but that's finicky and doesn't seem to always work as expected with selecting.
    I assume you're also hitting arrow keys for going to next line and it's going to the same location because the lines are, at that place, the same...
    But how are you rapidly selecting that word with the keyboard to the paste (or type) IC?
    Ctrl-A would select too much and things like Ctrl+shift+end would grab the whole line..
    I'm not familiar with a 'just select this word' combo
    Appreciate the feedback!
    also this IC thing is slick but do people have a rapid way to pull it back out, and leave code functional, when you're done debugging? Curious how much bloat or overhead leaving this in source code would create vs taking it out (at a bigger scale of course). As well as - the end product may just want print statements in a lot of those places but not necessarily all; so how do you rapidly replace all or a select few or comment out every debugging occurrence? (Similar to my above question as I find it tedious to swap words and comment debugging lines in/out.

    • @NeuralNine
      @NeuralNine  Před 7 měsíci

      Those are Vim bindings. Check out my videos on Vim or NeoVim. It is worth it :)

  • @adamfatyga7977
    @adamfatyga7977 Před 7 měsíci

    Cool.
    Pro print for debug :)

  • @gedtoon6451
    @gedtoon6451 Před 4 měsíci

    I like icecream but I have seen a bug when using it to print a lot of data. In VS Code the output is truncated. It works fine if I run it without an ide. Can you replicate this error?

  • @yasink18
    @yasink18 Před 5 měsíci

    Hi, could you tell me.. Why it is better than logging or logger

  • @aalaptube
    @aalaptube Před 2 měsíci +1

    What is that IDE? Doesn't look like PyCharm CE.
    My bad, it is PyCharm CE with IdeaVIM plugin.

  • @darkogrozdanovski
    @darkogrozdanovski Před 6 měsíci

    Maybe start looking into adding test coverage if you are actually doing this on a daily basis

  • @davidlu1003
    @davidlu1003 Před 3 měsíci

    Cool, thank you.😁😁😁

  • @sarathsanil
    @sarathsanil Před 7 měsíci

    Can we use this in azure databricks notebook?

  • @TheOnlyMrFake
    @TheOnlyMrFake Před 4 měsíci

    One hour after deciding to install icecream, I finally manage to reinstall python in a way where pip actually works.

  • @AbhineetSinha25
    @AbhineetSinha25 Před 7 měsíci +1

    For debugging how is it better than pdb ?

  • @ro_yo_mi
    @ro_yo_mi Před 6 měsíci

    Seems like the IC output is stored until your program completes before being displayed. And therefore, you lose context of what messages happen at what stage of your program. This is trivial in smaller programs as demonstrated but as program complexity increases either a print-now or debug session will be more useful.

  • @benjenkincpa
    @benjenkincpa Před 7 měsíci

    Excellent

  • @cesarec88
    @cesarec88 Před 7 měsíci

    Is it there a django compatibility as well?

  • @leonardommarques
    @leonardommarques Před 7 měsíci

    this is gold.

  • @alansnyder8448
    @alansnyder8448 Před 7 měsíci

    Does this package work in AWS Lambda functions?

  • @ChanduTadanki
    @ChanduTadanki Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for a great tutorial. Can you also explain how to reset outputFunction to sys.stderr? ic.configureOutput(outputFunction = sys.stderr) errs.

  • @mannykhan7752
    @mannykhan7752 Před 4 měsíci

    Wow groovy, very useful