Hollywood Directors Hate Marvel Movies
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People absolutely love Marvel movies and the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe, as evidence by the billions of dollars the films have made at the box office. But one very well-known filmmaker isn’t a fan. Legendary director Martin Scorsese said in an interview that he doesn’t think Marvel movies are cinema. In fact, he said they more closely resemble theme parks.
Naturally, since Marvel has a ton of fans, people didn’t respond very positively to this statement. People like James Gunn (Guardians of the Galaxy,) Todd Phillips (The Joker,) and even Marvel super-producer Kevin Feige stepped in to defend superhero movies. However, it seems like what Martin Scorsese was REALLY trying to say is much deeper than just a throwaway jab towards the MCU. In fact, Scorsese seems to have tapped into something that’s affecting the entire film industry itself.
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Isn't it impressive that Ryan can make the two best things about Screen Rant? These essays have great editing and are genuinely funny and insightful. Keep it up!
You guys should really label it whenever it's a Ryan video.
Would definitely get more views
Yes this. I'm always afraid of clicking on some of the SR trash, when it could be a Ryan video
People are allowed to have opinions
I agree with him. Marvel movies are fun, but they're nothing especially groundbreaking or 'deep'.
The dark knight is the pinacle of superhero movies, even dc can't top themselves
@@tobecontinued5290 Spideman 2 and Logan also
How dare you poo poo face
Most of the mcu fans didn't even read comics if they actually did they know mcu is for kids
@@heh9719 I read them and it’s still entertaining
Martin is right,
I want more movies like gone with the wind, Malcom , lord of the rings, taxi driver, blade runner 1 and 2 and other cinema masterpieces no more milked up franchises like marvel and Star Wars(which disney destroyed)
Star Wars is not destroyed. Dream on
@@dylanseah7161 wish it was a dream buster.
Disney is literally miking all of the popular IPs that they are acquiring, going beyond Marvel and Star Wars whether it's franchises like Toy Story, Incredibles, Home Alone, Pirates of the Caribbean getting unnecessary sequels or even their own animated original classics now becoming live-action unnecessarily, all of which are solely cash grabbing in nature and lack any artistic touch (with the exception of Brad Bird, one of the very few who actually gave a damn about his original classic). I think they are going to milk the Fox-acquired Marvel characters shamelessly too.
@@dylanseah7161 go & watch star wars sequel
@@denver7324 Marvel is working though
Hulk eating an oscar?
Me: ok. I’ll watch
TheChef same
TheChef Can’t argue with that
Lmao
He should present them.
When mediocre fan service movies get praised like they have been greatest achivement in cinema by crazy fans whom most cinema culture is limited to geeky movies, they inevitably get reaction and dislike from the people that gave their decades to cinema industry and made real masterpieces. MCU is fun and all, but it's absolutely nothing more than a series of popcorn flicks.
Yes. They are popcorn licks but some of them(at least those few i have watched) are much better as popcorn flicks than average popcorn flick. That's why calling them mediocre fan service movies is not fair.:P
@@marcinbudzinski9347 I agree
That is the reason I go to the theater to be entertained, not for Oscar baits that I can watch those now on streaming.
It's all entertainment, relax and take it easy
I think I get where Martin is coming from. He comes from a time when movies were made basically as an art form. To tell stories that can be complex, heartbreaking, heartwarming, make you laugh and have a good time. MCU movies are basically made for the money. I'm not saying they aren't entertaining, because they are, it's just that their recycles Quick Cash grabs
Cool Arrow90 thanks for articulating that. Even tho some are better than others none qualify as what I consider ‘art’.
Now the majority of movies are superheroes, sequels and remakes of reboots because that’s where the money is
The thing is the Cinema isn't the world's main way of consuming media anymore. People tend to go to the Cinema for the hype and the bang for the buck with ticket prices, going to the movies is an event.
@@batgurrl first thing first art is subjective
i watched every mcu movie so know every thing. they are different from others they do something impossible and for me the are art
ibrahim kalmati
Ok boomer
@@keninjc89 I take it you disagree, gen z?
The only genres the MCU has is action and comedy. And they are still formulaic.
sadness too
@@srilathakarri513 no sadness only terrible jokes
@@moseswangpan4987 iron man dying , black widow dying , quick silver dying , spiderman dying
@@srilathakarri513 please watch man of steel.... That movie has more emotions than the rest of the marvel.movies
@@moseswangpan4987 yes it has but compared to the whole franchise it is less.
people need to understand that marvel has created a problem in hollywood, people don't care about actors anymore but about franchises and all that as a big fan of super hero movies i can see the problem they are creating too
kids dont care bout actors, the marvel movies are the reason me and others have went back to watch some of these actors in other movies like infinitely polar bear (mark ruffalo & zoe saldana) and sherlock holmes (robert downey jr) Lucy (scarlett johannson) and even 21 bridges (chadwick boseman)
@@ILiveLife4MAGS that's just what i said
Good. People shouldn't care about actors to begin with.
@@thepsychicspoon5984 *sad actor noises*
bruh did u see how many people were sad that chadwick boseman died?
This was Super Easy Barely An Inconvenience to watch
Oh really?
@@jeremiahtheartist Ye, ye, ye!
😂
Everytime you say that you kill it a little bit
Using someone's else's catchphrase is tight
2018-present have easily been dark times for the movie industry. Movies with unique and original concepts are being overshadowed by mostly formulaic corporate franchise films, sequels, remakes, and reboots. I do hope that fortunately, with the success of movies like The Irishman and Parasite, creativity and originality will overtake the overflux of franchise films. The last year in my opinion where creativity and originality flowed was 2008 with movies like The Dark Knight and The Hurt Locker
"The irishman" was good?
@@prabhupadasiminakia2434 It is a masterpiece.
When you try to please everyone...
Broken Eyes some people just hate with success comes hate
I love how he sounded like he does in the Pitch Meetings.
@Zwenk Wiel True, but he sounds more animated
Fiege's defense that Marvel movies are actually movies in other genres disguised as superhero movies is not true. The may incorporate elements of other genres, but inevitably the movie revolves around big long scenes of computer-generated punch-ups (mostly).
Not sure if he meant Superhero movies in general or just Marvel movies.
But superhero movies can be art, sometimes.
Martin said he likes the Raimi Spider-Man films so I'm pretty sure he just means the MCU.
I agree with Scorsese. Marvel movies are like theme park.
So is DC. Almost every superhero movies are theme park except Logan, Spiderman 2 and TDK.
"When Martin Scorsese criticized Marvel."
Me: Criticized? THAT'S an understatement.
People saysthey hate a thing
Fans: It’s treason then
I can tell it’s a Ryan idea just by the title
It annoys me when other creators on this account try and replicate it so ppl click thinking it's a Ryan vid
MidNiteBlazer yeah that’s very true
I love Marvel movies, but if I became a film director, I won't ever direct a Marvel movie, that's just not for me
Hey guess what guy's who cares It's not a crime to have your own opinion
Here's the problem with that spin. If people wanted to see those 'Indy' movies, they would, and then theaters would carry them. It's supply and demand.
If Disney shut it's doors tomorrow, movies like the Irishman wouldn't suddenly become billion dollar movies, because no matter how 'good' it might be, the general audience doesn't care. The general audience would simply stop going to see movies. Theaters would start shutting down, and less screenings would be available to those 'Indy' movies. In short, popular movies fund the costs so 'less' popular movies can be played.
M J that’s true
this is the best comment i have seen in this subject. Thank you for this
You're damn right
Well said
I think the problem he is trying to say is that nowadays most people only watch movies with a big brand on them, so without it, smaller movie companies will have a harder time to make it tot the big screen, although u can’t blame the big companies
I bet the reason he said that the MCU didn't have phsycologicly real characters is because he only saw one. If you only see iron man 2 then you don't see tony change much. But that's why it's so rewarding to watch the whole MCU. You see tony go from a selfish arms dealer to a father who was willing to sacrifice himself to save the universe.
youre right
The important thing is to have choice, I'm a big fan of MCU but I love art movies too
What Hollywood is mad about is the fact that super heroes are hot right now and not anything else
Maybe Hollywood needs to take more risks and come up with something new and original.The problem isn't with Superhero movies the problem is keeping up with new changes in society.
@@Thespeedrap Maybe we'd see more risk-taking and originality if mainstream audiences craved it instead of being creatures of habit that like sticking to formula.
@@Y-two-K Facts, if they made it a law to watch Casablanca, Taxi Driver, The good the bad and the ugly, or any classic film for that matter, Marvel would make a hell of a lot less money because ppl would realise what they're missing
natester n28 why do you people act like if someone watches marvel, they only watch marvel? People watch different genres of film and in every generation there is a popular genre, for this generation, it’s superhero films.
You can't please everyone. It's crab mentality. They are criticizing marvel for their success,
As long as they don't scrape deadpool or turn it into a kids friendly film I'm OK with them
Disney will because its Disney
@@itscooldude167 its gonna be a r rated movie
Kevin feige confirmed it
Screen Rant: "Ryan, can you cover this video?"
Ryan George: "Yes sir, I can!"
It's on the point where MCU shows a chicken just standing it would still make billions. And anyone who criticize it, you know they're haters.
So like Star Wars few years ago
@@aaronlautamaja9919 yes all jealousy
@@aaronlautamaja9919 lmao
They hate Marvel because they can’t make a franchise as successful as Marvel. Jealousy at its finest.
Well there is a third fan that watches the movies and read the better story lines in the comics/graphic novels.
That's the gatekeeper/elitist
Thanks for this. It seems like argument is really more of a re-statement / update of Adorno & Horkheimer’s culture industry thesis. I have to admit that I found the initial claim frustrating when I first heard, but put that way it makes a lot more sense.
Didn't know scorcesse was in sharktale
He does have a point movies other than superhero or villain are hard to get profit
Maybe it's just society that's changing
Artistic Cinema that Coppola and Scorsese want on theatre is NOT what people want on theatre
If you want to relate to characters, being moved and have thoughts on human existence, most likely you prefer to do that in the comfort and security of your living room by yourself.
Nowadays
No one wants to buy a ticket to possibly sit next to stranger and cry and be vunerable or go too much deep on the important questions in life
Nowadays
We feel more comfortable doing that at home, where we're more in control and confident to let ALL of our real emotions be expressed.
Moreover
Cinema even the finest can be hit or miss
And requires a right state of mind and mood to be approached correctly
It's just a much safer investment to us consumers to buy a ticket for a franchise because we can much more likely PREDICT a decent standard level of satisfaction
And simply franchise movies are EASIER to watch regardless of the situation you are before starting watching them
👍👍👍
I'll watch any type of movie in the cinema, if it makes me cry or feel any other emotion, good, cinema should make the audience feel something. Not how many superheroes can we fit into one film like a kid playing with his action figures. Joker did so well because it was a character based tragedy and there were people crying or shocked.
The only reason he referred to them as themeparks is because Disney and Disneyworld he was just trying to think of something quick to diminish the movie's.
If Ryan is not in or narrating the video, I'm not interested!
I rarely go to theaters anymore cos of all these series that won't end
Martin Scorsese is right
Come on he has the power to say
He won Oscar
More like: *The Oscars Hate the Marvel Movies*
@Darth Skywalker the dark knight was great. But it didn't get the best picture nomination. But Heath won an oscar.
@Darth Skywalker the dark knight was great. But it didn't get the best picture nomination. But Heath won an oscar.
@Darth Skywalker and iron man was nominated in some categories in Oscar.
"Now disney owns it so they are going to suck it empty like the honeybees that are also monopolizing their thing"
I only clicked on this video to tell them I want more pitch meetings, but then was greeted to Ryans velvety voice.
I got a Scorcese ad before the video, thats what i call a beautiful irony
I kinda agree. Like how many movies have we had lately that aren't superhero movies? Or spy movies.? I mean we kinda need a brake. With some really good movies that aren't spy or superhero. I dont hate superhero movies but I am pretty sick of it. I am sooo excited about top gun 2. Those kinda of movies are what we need for a little while
What *YOU* need for a little while. Speak for yourself
@@ryannb21 🤷♂️🤦♂️u offended? Lol
@@calebthomas1481 nah dawg. You're the one who seems offended by the fact i corrected you for trying tl speak for everyone🤷🏾♂️speak for yourself that's all🤷🏾♂️
@@ryannb21 I'm not offended. I just though it was funny that is was important to you.
I heard some of Ryan's jokes and liked and tried to subscribe to SR again. It's not the first time it happened to me with Ryan's videos here.
I agree with Martin Scorcese partially. The avengers movies are indeed "amusement park" stuff. Just massive action sequences, explosions, CGI, and they cram as many heroes as they can because it makes more and more money (they are entertaining to watch in theaters though). These movies have unmemorable villains, barely do justice to the characters (because there are too many to fit in 2 hours).
HOWEVER, The individual marvel movies are indeed "cinematic art" and i'd say they are much better than the Avengers movies. Like Ryan said, Captain America is a political spy type movie, MCU spider man is a coming of age teen movie, Ant man a heist movie. And Iron Man (2008) was great too. Basically the individual hero movies are actually much better than they get credit for
They should just include (it's Ryan) everytime he's the narrator because that's the only time I actually watch it for more than 2 seconds.
Its fine. He didn't say they were bad, just not cinema in the sense that they are trying to touch the ordinary human soul with human-sized tales. He said they were well-made and that the actors did the best they could to convey emotions given the fact that they conveying characters that are hopelessly outside of relatable human circumstances. Stop moaning. He's right.
IR17171717 no he’s not
Na, he's not right in the slightest. He's bitter. And he's lost his touch. Go watch the Irishman, an impossibly long movie that he wanted to be in the theaters but .... Just watch it and you'll see.
The departed was long but it was effing GREAT. So, it's length is not *my* argument. It could be the theaters' tho. Endgame was also really long, but it was also really good
@@nogrecords I don't see what the Irishman not being as good as his old stuff has to do with whether his comments here are right or not.
Ticket sales talk, certain genres and styles of movies nowadays just don't draw in much people nowadays people want spectacles and something that visually takes advantage of screen size to be worth the ticket price they want the thrill. That doesn't mean other films are lesser for it, more intimate dramatic work is suited well for Netflix etc. people become more drawn into the story at home or on their phone. The way we consume media has changed directors need to adapt change with and accept it.
I don't know what the real defination of cinema. I see the motion pictures which i enjoy.
Next idea for Marvel movies director :
Christopher Nolan - Moon Knight
James Cameron - Spiderman
James Wan - Namor
Quentin Tarantino - Sgt Nick Fury
Peter Jackson - Hercules
George Lucas - DarkHawk
Michael Bay - War Machine
Ridley Scott - Silver Surfer
Tim Burton - Captain Britain
Frank Miller - Daredevil
Robert Zemeckis - Beyonder
Gareth Evans - Iron Fist
Guillermo del Toro - Blade
Steven Spielberg - Alpha Flight
Paul W.S Anderson - Elektra
J. J. Abrams - Warlock
Simon West - Luke Cage
Zack Snyder - Odin
Roland Emmerich - Galactus
Robert Rodriguez - Ghost Rider
David Ayer - Punisher
Christopher McQuarrie - Superior Ironman
Stephen Sommers - Xmen
Paul Verhoeven - ROM
i almost did not click on this. glad i did as Ryan is too funny.
you guys should put a - Ryan at the end of the title or better yet the beginning so we don't miss when he is narrating.
streaming services would make this all mute, soon all movies will just be streamed, people just click on them and pay for them.
Martin is right
If a banana taped to a wall is already art how can marvel movies not be art?
Marvel movies are live cartoons that's all.Everything else is a story that have a plot just not any substance to entertain you.
And he likes the movie copying his with the Joker.
If it's a good thing, then it deserve the praise. Most of the MCU movies are bad. They have like 3-4 good movies.
He was going to produce it
@@uncomfortablecat Ik right
He are the most terrible MCU movies
Spiderman HC
Spiderman FFH
Dark World
Captain Marvel
Antman
Antman and the wasp
Hulk
Iron Man 2
Black Panther
Dr Strange
@@imreallyblack4764 Bruh
Both Spider-Man movies are good.
@@uncomfortablecat That's your opinion I don't want you to disrespect mine
Have any of you watched the original Korean version of Oldboy? That movie is amazing.
Damn... that ending made me remember Cherry... does it have a release date yet?
...
Nope... I'm not going into another argument, go away.
3:17 Did you mean mirages??
Yeah I definitely agree with it being a generational issue and misunderstanding the genre. With that will come misconceptions and assumptions.
I watch all pitch meetings if it was ryan George's voice
I feel like Emperor Palpatine on his throne reading and hearing about all this MCU hate.
YAY! Early on a another Screen Rant video!
A single THING 5:23 🤣🤣🤣
"I try to watch them. But I don't actually watch any of them you know."
Me: Bruh
Getting rid of the paramount decrees sounds like a bad idea. Charging more for movies should be a thing we all agree on is bad for us... it's not like disney movies are hurting for profits and need to charge more...
art is basically how far it is from being formulatic. that being said, disney BS is basically the opposite of art.
i dont think he hated the marvel but every marvel movie is not so good to make billions of dollars thats what he meant to say example infinity war shazam and joker are great movies but ant man , captain marvel , even spiderman far from home used iron man to get movie success and so milions billions of dollars realy is it worth it !
Hugo
EXCELLENT piece
Frankly what I get from Scorsese point of view is that he's truly kinda worried about the SURVIVOR of his beloved art.
I'm sorry for him.
And frankly the situation does really look bad and getting worse.
It's totally possible to imagine a future with exclusively Disney movies on Disney Cinema
And these Disney Cinema are like Starbucks everywhere
Only few other theatres show other not Disney movies
And indie movies will be a little genre
Like really considered a genre
Indie movies
Not thriller comedy or romance
Just you either have the franchise movies with whatever is their formula
Or indie movies
And indie movies may have distribution ONLY through streaming and nowhere in theatre
I defend the X-Men movies
Not the MCU
Marvel Entertainment (Fox, Sony, Universal, Paramount): Exists
Marvel Studios: Am I a joke to you?
I can see his point now
Ohh waaaaaaah you need you binky! Netflix is that and independent theatre chains is that market for independent fare
Marvel movies aren't 'Cinema' doesn't mean they are bad. They are just different from the mainstream Cinema. Also He's talking about Marvel or MCU because Logan exists. Because MCU is based on Comic books and trying to make it more comic accurate than TDK trilogy
I have a big rant i want to go on but its to much work. Good video anyways=)
I love marvel movies and comics. But I understand where Scorsese is coming from. I love marvel movies but I haven’t watched them over and over compare to movies that have nothing to do with superheroes. Some superhero movies I don’t remember. But more grounded movies like pulp fiction, taxi driver, shawshank redemption, wolf of Wall Street and fight club. Those movies I can watch all the time because they deal with real human issues and emotion. And have free range of film making. I love marvel movies but people give them too much hype. The only superhero movie that’s made me feel this way, is joker. Technically super villain movie. But that had a mixed reception but it’s pure work of art. Disney is destroying cinema
Yep. Marvel movies are nothing without CGI fest and cringy corny jokes. Marvel movies in general are garbage. To stop liking Marvel movies, you just need to grow up and stop watching cartoonish movies that give you false idea about how a true hero should be.
Well said
@@TheAnhphuong92 Thank U Bro. At least there is somebody who cares about the true source material.
Interesting to see what he says about infinity war and endgame. To be honest I didnt like the marvel franchise until those two movies
Infinity war and endgame wouldn't make sense without every other movie ever.
@@justinbrister8885 but the other movies are nothing without those two
@@nickmeale1957 Because of the build up and the story between all the characters in movies leading to infinity war and endgame
Ryan George's voice made me like the video
I prefer Ashes of Love. It's on Netflix.
I watched the entire infinity saga and I still don't like it. I really wanted to but I just don't. I really want to be part of the craze but I can't get into it. If people love it more power to them as for me I guess I like different movies to everyone else.
They're probably just upset that these comic book movies make more money than films they view as superior in terms of script writing.
Yeah I'm sure scorsese is super jealous. Not like he's had any blockbusters.
@@IR17171717 Well, it's been awhile and The Irishmen is basically the last gangster movie I'm watching from him.
@@TallicaMan1986 Well I'm absolutely, categorically sure he doesn't care whether you watch his next gangster movie.
@@IR17171717 I am one of the people who's supported his movies for quite awhile. I'm just tired of gangster movies and romanticized history.
If he wants he can tackle real writing. Coming up with an original idea and executing it.
If they were Jelous they would try to start their own franchises instead of making stand alone films. Some people have different intentions and making the most money isn't always one of them.
Mass market texts (including films) are not meant as esoteric art house pieces. They are for the masses...hence popular...for the larger populace. They're the least common denominator to draw people in and give them an enjoyable experience. It does NOT make them BAD. it just makes them generally derivative but good!
Sam raimi Spiderman & Christopher Nolan dark knight felt like artful adaptions but now they don't 😕
Theme parks are tight!!!
After 0:10 I knew it was Ryan
Hey a good Screen Rant video! Good job guys!
The Batman 2022 will be a superhero movie but at the same time it will also feel like a David Fincher Se7en detective, noir, crime-thriller.
Scorsese means, the art of film, lighting, mystery, suspense, practicals, development process, studios, and how everything was for almost a century. That has gone away. Film vs Digital and everything in between. The art of film( literally film) is so distinct that ARRI cameras have been at the forefront for the last 30 years. It’s mainly what Hollywood still uses, but it still doesn’t have the same characteristics digitally as with Film. That’s what Scorsese, and Quentin Tarantino are sad about. I finally understand their opinion.
I think it is a fair point, I agree
I knew this was a ryan video because the title was actually interesting and not just click baity
Honestly I think with scorcesses comments (I hope I spelled his name correctly) I think the response to him was a bit much because he seemed to be a little respectful to a certain degree and it makes sense for him and he doesn't really insults marvel movies and I still respect the guy to a certain degree but someone like Francis for Coppola that guy can go to hell that dude just insulted marvel films and anyone who likes them basically.
It's because of franchises like the mcu and star wars I haven't been in a movie theater in years
same, sadly
Keep holding L for future years
Elsa Vargas and that’s the mcu fault how?
To most people they are the only reason to go to theatres.
They've done fine without you there for years
Actually considering the MCU's success , you might be the reason for that
Your absence was like a curse or bad omen being lifted
So continue to stay away please
It may make Martin Scorsese mad but for alot of people its a blessing
I can agree and disagree with Scorsese at the same time. Im really into Marvel movies, but i can relate to what he said. We can’t handle MCU movies same as the others, and that’s what is so cool in them.
so chill people, there is no truth, just oppinions.
Yeah
e yes
Disney strong arms theaters to only play Disney movies, that’s not an opinion, is a fact.
That’s where the frustration comes from, a monopoly on entertainment is not something to be celebrated, that’s he’s opinion, which I agree with.
I don’t think Scorsese is trying to convince people not to enjoy marvel movies, I enjoyed a lot of them myself, he’s just shedding light on the dirty practices in the industry.
@@JP_0306 Then he should've said that, not superhero movies are not cinema, because they clearly are cinema, they played those movies in the cinema. unless of course he has a different meaning of the word cinema.
Joker is a villain movie not even super connected to it.I am just being honest.
Would he have made the comment if Stan Lee was still alive? I've watched a few of these. They've brought the feeling of comics to the theater the way films made based on books have for years. I feel like that might be what caused this comment by Martin, although I'd like to know exactly what 'Cinema' means
Marvel movies are nothing without CGI fest and cringy corny jokes. Marvel movies in general are garbage. To stop liking Marvel movies, you just need to grow up then. Stop watching cartoonish movies that give you false idea about how a true hero should be.
TheAnhphuong92 Why are you so hostile I get not liking something, but you just insulted the dude for no reason
@@TheAnhphuong92 having CGI doesn't make a movie bad. I really enjoyed the Guardian of the Galaxy movies.
TheAnhphuong92 You’re commenting this under pretty much everyone but I gotta ask, if Marvel movies are childish and represent a false narrative of what a hero is, then what are mobster movies, such as many of Scorsese’s? A glorification and romanticism of violence and crime? And what do they say about humanity, yes there’s “we’re all flawed” but that’s a cliché that is the bottom-line basis of most movies, so is their message that we’re just all brutal beings? Not very heroic or representative of most of the population. It’s all escapism and different views on the world through different means. The only childish thing here is you and your dismissal of the brand and genre.
@@TheAnhphuong92 The only problems I had with the MCU is that it was a little up it's own ass, and it made it so people had this weird reaction where you absolutely had to see the movies on opening weekend, which I never have that feeling with films
There are other film genres that exist and because of the popularity of Marvel and Star Wars and DC, people are forgetting about Other film genres that exist
Who is this girl at 2:31?