In most anime after a character dies, they grief for a moment and then they completely forget them and never mention them again. However in aot, you can see that death of side character from season 1 is still relevant even in the final episodes of the series. I love how human aot is.
@nxul levi never forgave annie, but levi was always more to the stoic side so thats prob why he never confronted her, he also found reconciliation at the end when he saw the ghosts of his comrades
That's deep writing...even after hearing the truth from Reiner, Jean was able to swallow his anger and continue the process of reconciliation. But once Reiner began apologizing and wallowing in guilt, only then did Jean lose control of himself and fly into a rage
@@Karuiko It's hard to put into words. He literally wanted nothing more of Reiner to hear, especially not how bad he felt for doing it because he (wrongly) interprets it as an attempt to rid himself of the guilt of killing Marco. For Reiner, it's a genuine confession and he wants to be punished. But for Jean, those reasons sound like cheap excuses.
@@Karuiko Jean is basically saying "do you think you can get away with this by just saying you're sorry!?" He was already seething when Reiner started playing the victim, but that "I'm sorry" just sends him. To him, Reiner should own his actions and carry that burden of guilt, while redeeming himself by doing the right thing. Instead he just had to add that part about killing the titan that kills Marco as if it absolves his sin even for a bit, and then has the gall to ask for forgiveness from Jean. It was rock bottom pathetic for Reiner to act that way.
I understand why Jean snapped. It’s one thing someone killed your friend, it’s another thing someone killed your friend and then they feel guilty about it. Reiner doesn’t get to be sorry or feel guilty because he made that cruel decision. It was already bad enough that Marco was killed, but the fact that Reiner started feeling sorry for himself, he indirectly made the situation about himself instead of Marco, the actual victim. He took accountability but then turned around to self-loathe.
And it wasn't the first time. When they took Eren through the forest Reiner started talking about what reward nhe might get until Eren snapped and yelled at him which made Reiner suddenly realize what he was doing which then led Eren to yell even more especially the "You two created the hell we are living in right now, you have no right to feel sorry for yourself!" then followed up by the ice cold "One day I am going to make you pay and it's gonna hurt"
@randomusername3873 true, i find it baffling that people just forgive Annie like nothing but everytime someone mentions that the fans suddenly say "muh you just dont understand great writing!"
@@MachinaOwl Really? I rarely see anyone blame Annie. Most are super forgiving and like to use the excuse that she was a victim of circumstance brought about by her father and Marley. While it not entirely untrue, Annie was far from just a helpless victim. She was pretty cold blooded and that's what made her such a great antagonist in the beginning. Reiner and Bertholdt's stories were done so well, but I'm disappointed that Annie basically got off with just a slap on the wrist. She never got any punishment for all the soldiers she killed. She appears like the regrets her actions, yet at the same she admitted that she didn't regret what she did. She got to reunite with her dad and even got a boyfriend out of the deal. I see some say that her time in the crystal was her punishment, but she was safe that whole time and even had Armin and Hitch talking to her. Reiner basically shouldered all of the blame. Annie should have at least had some punishment.
One of the best things about attack on titan is that both jean and marco were nobodies. Nothing side characters that got as much screentime as a miriad of other side characters, expected to be fodder. Yet jean lived, jean became something. If the story went slightly differently, could the same not have happened with marco, or the rest of the side cast? The feeling of the world being apathetic towards who lives and who dies is something great about the show.
@@Smoothkiller358 oh yeah and who fault is that hmm you E X M Mofos make me sick congratulations on destroying a well written have fun until the nukes come for all of ya I won’t feel bad for any of you 😁🔥
But annie isn’t one to talk much or maybe she would and say she sorry but Levi is an adult tho there’s big difference while she,Reiner& Jean are same gen so as former friends or war buddies ofc jean would reasonably be mad
@@cloudy5115 One of the things I hate about the end is how they pretend like Annie didn't kill 100s of people. she deserves to get her ass beat more than Reiner, they letting her off the hook because she's a girl
The simple fact of the matter is that Levi is usually the most level headed person in the room. He wouldn't prioritize his own personal vendetta over getting the important shit done. In this case, even if he wasn't injured, what purpose would killing Annie serve? Avenging his comrades who died in battle? They were soldiers in a regiment where the vast majority usually die terribly. That was always a risk and Levi isn't naive enough to have not understood that. Annie was carrying out a mission, there was nothing personal involved. As wrathful as he was over his OG squad's deaths, he was out the second the objective was complete and we never heard him talk of revenge for his squad in the aftermath. Why would Levi then choose to make it personal, years later? That's childish and it usually isn't Levi. Annie is a highly skilled warrior, has the power of one of the Nine Titans and is currently their ally. What is the gain here? For all Levi's pragmatism, Zeke actually is a weak point for him. Zeke's flippant toying with the lives of others, lack of remorse for his heinous actions and the overall arrogance in which he brazenly presents himself opposes Levi on a fundamental level. Remember, Levi was devastated upon realizing that he, humanity's strongest soldier, had in fact been killing humans every time he slaughtered a titan. Zeke is his antithesis. Zeke couldn't be bothered to learn the name of the village that he titanized; Ragako being the hometown of one of Levi's immediate subordinates added even more fuel to that fire. Sure, we remember Annie yoyo-ing humans and stomping on them like insects. However, Levi was there to personally witness Zeke using Erwin and the other survey corps members as target practice; Zeke was gleefully enjoying murdering them in droves. He turned their tragic, heroic, desperate suicide charge into little more than a baseball game and was openly yipping like a cheerful child. It's not simply about fulfilling Erwin's final order, Levi genuinely hates Zeke Yaeger. Yet still Levi looks at the bigger picture and does not kill him. He knows how vital Zeke is, so he puts his own wants and, essentially, Erwin's last command on the backburner. He doesn't trust Zeke at all, he figures he'll eventually betray them but he wouldn't move unless Zeke proved him right. Him not killing Zeke was equivalent to letting his comrades' sacrifice, his best friend's sacrifice, go to waste. He still didn't do it. Zeke titanizing Levi's subordinates in the forest, reducing their lives to fodder and callously weaponizing the close bond Levi shared with them? Well. Everyone has a limit and that was Levi's. Zeke had just proven him correct in the worst way and, while he had the sense not to kill him, Levi prioritized his personal hatred of Zeke over his logical side. Torturing Zeke, setting up that reckless death trap was nothing more than an act of vengeance. His hatred toward Zeke was more than justified but him slicing off his legs, inch by inch, was for Levi and Levi only. He was pissed and he wanted revenge. He let his feelings cloud his better judgement for the first time; a rational Levi would not have set up the thunder spear trap that the vengeful Levi did. And what did he gain from this? Well, we all know the answer to that question. In summary, revenge is as petty and childish concept that has zero benefits beyond a fleeting catharsis. And comparing Levi's treatment of Zeke with his apparent lack of hatred towards Annie doesn't make sense. Levi abhors everything that Zeke stands for.
I like how this show isn't afraid to look ugly. None of them look overly beautified, and their expressions aren't glamorous. The characters often show off a look of pure uninhibited rage, their face ugly, contorted, and harsh, how anger is supposed to look, not glorious or intriguing, just raw and animalistic rage and trauma portrayed in the most authentic way I've seen in an anime.
I was surprised by how sloppy Jean's punches are, none of them land cleanly after the first two. His wrists are bent and the angles are awkward, some hammerfists thrown in. He's just battering Reiner. Very realistic.
Jean got pissed because Reiner acknowledged what he did was wrong and then instead of just letting it rest turned it into a personal pity party for how terrible of a person he was. He took a moment that should have been about mourning the senseless loss of Marco and *(intentionally or not)* made it about himself.
Levi is old and wise. He's able to control himself and he knows that Annie and Reiner are just soldiers like him and just following orders. He probably have deep grudge on them but his real target was the war chief Zeke for killing Erwin.
@@christbenitez8797 Indeed, as you said, he was a seasoned soldier who knew his mission. And in the end he was fighting to give meaning to all their deaths. I think he also understood it's not about hating Annie, but the cycle of hatred that drives the world. Glad he was able to find peace at the end.
@@christbenitez8797 That's not really a good reasoning honestly, at best it's just a headcanon that people made up. Levi seems to be pretty angry at Zeke after all. I know some people will bring "Oh, it's because Levi promise Erwin to kill Zeke", but it was clearly more than just fulfilling a mission, he is extremely pissed at Zeke. At least confronting Annie in conversation will bring an interesting development.
Its not just the characters, the plot, the storytelling, dialogues, fight scenes, enemy design, complexity of it all or even the tramatising gore... The directional skills are simply amazing in this series.
Marco's words really stuck with Jean and helped him become the great leader he is. Marco was the biggest player in Jean changing from a selfish asshole who wanted to be MP for his own comfort and benefit, to being a fantastic soldier who helped put a stop to it all. Marco may not have lasted long in the story, but his impact was huge.
Reiner doesn’t want forgiveness but a beat up, Jean delivered both requests and he is the only one who ended up wounded cuz only Reiner can heal. Such a nice guy and this isn’t even for a joke
Reiner was asking Eren to kill him. Eren refuses. This time, Reiner can’t die because he now has a purpose of stopping Eren. But he still needs a beat up and pleads for it. This time, his past comrade, Jean, delivers. And they become best friends.
I can't IMAGINE the tension of sitting down to a meal with the man who killed my friend. I can't even begin to imagine the rage that would be bubbling up under my face.
It's intresting to me how important Reiner ends up being to Jean in the end. Even after this at the final fight, Jean is the one who is most concerned about Reiner staying alive, even putting himself in the line of fire to save him. Now of course you can say its just because "Reiner is important to win the fight" but it does seem like Reiner is still important to him as a person, even after hearing this and telling him that he can never forgive him for it. Such complex characters Isayama wrote.
Despite everything else, and everything that Reiner did, I think Reiner was still his friend -- by the end of the series, even if it would be a "payback" of sorts for what happened to Marco, one friend's death doesn't bring back another, and Reiner's death would have been another blow, especially if he chose to let Reiner die. He's angry at him here, but he holds it together until Reiner starts being all "woe-is-me" about Marco's death. I think hearing Marco's final words could have helped him to move on, too. Even Marco, being killed, still wanted to talk things through and understand them.
I feel like Jean was also thinking that Marco wouldn't have held a grudge against Reiner. All he wanted to do was talk but he never got the chance. Jean probably realized that Marco would want to release the possibility of a lifelong hatred and just move past it. That's what Jean did. Marco would be proud of him.
@@calamityclash0018 True, though reality isn't that simple like some cartoon where you can blame one side of a violent conflict. Ukraine didn't merrily decide to do things like that, they were PUSHED. Palestine as well. People talk about how HAMAS are all evil terrorists but they forget the reason that group even exists to begin with. Can't imagine living in a place categorized as an "open air" prison.
There were a lot of adults in AOT who were in the military. The only reason they sent out children was because the rest of them were getting killed off so fast they had no other choice but to enlist teens.
The fact that jean understands there have been many marco in both paradis amd eldians in marley continent, amd there still are many and plenty of marco to be saved so he swallowed his anger and went with their alliance
I cant imagine how much anger and horror jean was feeling at the same time. The truth hit him so suddenly and he was also the one who found marcos body. Truly a traumatizing moment for him.
Marco reminds me of Maes Hughes from Fullmetal Alchemist. He basically could’ve been the one to unravel the mystery at the earliest stages of the story but had to died to prevent that.
We all know that if Jean had wanted to kill Reiner, he would have taken his head off instead of beating the crap out of him knowing full well that Reiner can heal from such a beating.
I call cap on the "we havent been trying to talk anything out" everytime the scouts tried to talk it out with reiner or Botorlo they actively avoided it and instead went straight to violence. Paradis gave marley and the world so many chances to talk it out and they just did not care
Marley didnt exactly give the kids a chance to talk it out. If they came back with nothing, they and their family would die. If they sided with paradis, who knows what kind of torture paradis had in store (remember the marley propaganda?)
@@hillariat2147 the Marley propaganda wouldn't even make sense at this point since they had been there over 5 years. Hell even in season 3 bortululu told armin straight to his face "none of you have done anything wrong and you are not devils"
This scene is very explicit about what I think is a core theme of the series. The inability to show the vulnerability required to cooperate, locks them all into a death spiral. Existential distrust between different groupings of people leading to genocide. Did Eren not enact a horrific genocide because he saw no peaceful path for his people to survive? The world had cornerned them and the human animal fought for it's life.
@@somepepperonyoutube8374 You do realize that Iseyama wanted to Kill Sasha since S2 the moment she saved Kaya and fought that Titan, she was supposed to die there..
Eren is right. These people wanted to kill them all. Eren’s only mistake was to go after everybody nation outside the walls, he just should have killed the nations that attacked paradis.
Would have been a more peaceful path but he would also become a public enemy and an even greater threat to outside nations. Therefore being more prone to hate, and attack.
@@benn6086 he could have manipulated all the Eldians outside the walls and change their memories like Tybur family and Willy tybur and erase that hatred towards Paradise mindset, the problem is Marley and half of the world
@@Omega-jg4oq nah f*** the eldians outside of Paradis as well. All of them are more than willing to sacrifice their own people, even doing it themselves, just to be a bit more "free" in Marley. They would have never sided with Paradis, they're beyond brainwashed as we can see with these pathetic self hating fools in the clown alliance. And honestly, the fact that it got SO bad is on them as well. Not a single one of them fled to Paradis to seek refuge and help in a century. Just Grisha. Only one single person did that. Mindblowing. They're too far gone and they had to go, too.
The way they just show us the branches of the trees while reiner explains the nitty gritty of it is so disturbing. We're not even allowed to see how the other are reacting to base our reactions off of, We're in the same spot as our characters here as we're suddenly just dropped this load of information and now have to process it.
Ofc this has already been revealed to US but I'm sure the audience had been itching to wait for the reactions of the others when they eventually find out
This may be a small scene but Marco's death has a great impact to Four of them, Jean, reiner, Berthold & Annie. Marco is the reason why he join survey corps to three of them, he's the first person & friend they betrayed even Annie cried on what she did, she even had a nightmare about him.
That’s what makes hypocrites creepy once they do a bad deed they would start crying and become confused from their lack of logic as to why they were doing it.
I always thought the beginning of this scene seemed familiar. I just remembered. (Fullmetal brotherhood spoiler ahead) It's similar to the scene where Envy, after becoming weak, reminds Edward of how Scar killed that girl (I forgot her name), and told him to ask about it. The difference is that, unlike Reiner, Scar didn't have any regrets so he didn't reply
The girl’s name was Nina I think Scar only didn’t regret it cuz he knew the rest of Nina’s life would’ve been nothing but hell for her, she was a chimera fused with her dog who would’ve gotten thru awful experiments from the govt To Scar, killing Nina was saving her from a life of pain and unhappiness
I watched the part when Marco overheard the conversation and got eaten alive just before this. And Reiner remembered everything Marco said and it seemed the whole scenario stuck with Reiner vividly.
@@benn6086 valid honestly, hated her character so much in the beginning but she basically turned into an absolute savior with protecting Sasha’s family, kind of came full circle!
Tbf, Annie alone killed alot of their companions, Bertholdt was the entire reason multiple others turned to the Survey Corps (Jean and Armin are the confirmed ones, Jean because the Trost battle changed his mind and Armin because Shinganshinas fall was the reason his grandpa was forced to partake in the Survey Corps.) Along with... The death in general. Reiner also contributed, just not as much as the others. It's clear to why they wanted them dead. Oh heck, I didn't even mention Zeke killing off Erwin and the gang and Pieck helping with that.
If they stood by him, then his plans are ruined. Eren is only doing all this to keep his friends safe and live long. He's using every method possible to make his friends fight against him and hate him so that they'd walk on the side of heroes and him the villain. If eren told them his real plan, do you think they'd agreed to it? Eren knew they won't like the idea of sacrificing his life for their sake so he's pushing them away on purpose.
@@cyphertongue sure but it was Eren's idea in the first place to cause the rumbling, because he wanted to exact revenge on the world. So in theory if Eren knew the future in the first place he actually wished to cause these events in the exact same order they happened. Eren's desire to cause a genocide was larger than his desire to spend time with Mikasa and his friends
@@HarshvardhanKanthode The point of the genocide was also that the world wanted to kill everyone on paradis, including Eren's friends. Without the rumbling they'd all die early. Paradis and Marley were already at war before the rumbling and Paradis wasn't the one that started it, Will Tybur did.
That's just it. Sure Annie did a lot of fucked up things, but almost everyone did seriously screwed up stuff. Annie, Bertholt, and Reiner were all just older versions of Gabbie, hell none of them were much older than her at the start of the series either. The biggest theme of AoT is that everyone is morally grey as hell.
@@TheStrawberryCloud Yes Gabi absolutely did get a free pass with all her bullshit. Annie actually got consequences for her actions, even if they weren't followed through on later due to needing her to stop the rumbling, and with the gang knowing the full circumstances of the warrior trio and their angle by that point? Gabi got off Scott free for literally everything she did, while Annie at least did not
@@TheStrawberryCloud Annie was trapped in a personal hell for 4 years where she could only think. She definitely didn't get a pass in this show lmao. And the reason people weren't upset with her in this scene? She owns up to everything she does and she keeps her mouth shut.
@@MachinaOwl Except it was a hell of her own making, nobody forced her to encase herself in crystal for all those years, she chose that herself, so how is that punishment exactly??
I've always said that Reiner really is the biggest loser of the story. He's so pathetic and sad, and for some reason, I think that makes him so relatable
@@capybaraandwatermelonenjoy8208 no of course, by the end, Reiner has redeemed himself (as much as he could have, given the things he's done). I just meant throughout most of the series
I’m sorry but if you tell me you killed my bff and some bitch on the side goes “But who’d a thunk we’d be sitting around a campfire together!?” Everyone in the vicinity is catching these hands, especially gabbi
They should’ve added a flashback of Marcos death in this episode as Reiner was explaining Marcos Death. It would’ve made the episode more emotional imo
No it would've been worse. Adding flashbacks to an intense scene is a cheap way of helping the viewer remember what happened. AOT doesn't need to rely on that and it's much more powerful having the memory of what happened.
@@TheSavWolf There is flashback in season 3 explaining everything and Annie taking off Marco ODM gear Now I can see why naruto have so many repeat Flashback cause no1 remember anything
The fact that Annie and Pieck just let Reiner get the shit beaten out of him… I’m starting to think that the Survey Corps members still like Reiner more than the other warriors like him, even after everything he’s done to them
In the manga annie tended to Reiner after jean attacked him, she gently Reiner's head and placed something under his head i think. In the anime it was cut from the episode.
Remember Jean found Marco’s dead body so he was extra traumatized
Actually Jean and Marco is kind of close friend. So yes, Jean is very traumatized.
@@dhoomed92 not only theyre close friend but marco is the first to acknowledge jean's judgement and leadership
Marco was also his best friend.
technically he only found half of it
Clarification: He was the one to identify Marco.
In most anime after a character dies, they grief for a moment and then they completely forget them and never mention them again. However in aot, you can see that death of side character from season 1 is still relevant even in the final episodes of the series. I love how human aot is.
What about the Levi squad that Annie killed?
@@nxulthey appear multiple times as ghosts to levi.
Wonder what kinda anime you watchin instead being scizophrenic and having imaginary
@nxul levi never forgave annie, but levi was always more to the stoic side so thats prob why he never confronted her, he also found reconciliation at the end when he saw the ghosts of his comrades
@Distress. Not to mention, Levi never said goodbye to Annie in the port becuase he remembered what she did to them
That's deep writing...even after hearing the truth from Reiner, Jean was able to swallow his anger and continue the process of reconciliation. But once Reiner began apologizing and wallowing in guilt, only then did Jean lose control of himself and fly into a rage
Even better because Reiner can heal and he basically wants the beat up himself, Jean did a big favor and that only ended up he’s the hurt one
it's not that deep
I still don't quite understand Jean here. Did he hate the fact that Reiner felt bad?
@@Karuiko It's hard to put into words. He literally wanted nothing more of Reiner to hear, especially not how bad he felt for doing it because he (wrongly) interprets it as an attempt to rid himself of the guilt of killing Marco. For Reiner, it's a genuine confession and he wants to be punished. But for Jean, those reasons sound like cheap excuses.
@@Karuiko Jean is basically saying "do you think you can get away with this by just saying you're sorry!?"
He was already seething when Reiner started playing the victim, but that "I'm sorry" just sends him. To him, Reiner should own his actions and carry that burden of guilt, while redeeming himself by doing the right thing. Instead he just had to add that part about killing the titan that kills Marco as if it absolves his sin even for a bit, and then has the gall to ask for forgiveness from Jean.
It was rock bottom pathetic for Reiner to act that way.
I’m surprised Jean held it together as long as he did
even told reiner to shut the fuck up on multiple warnings but he kept going
Natural born leader man
Just by the small fight scene you could see how much Marcos death stuck with him 😭
The Philippines would a Marcos death
*stuck 😅
@@ryanlee9150 HELP I JUST NOTICED THAT?
@@ash.julie_press the 3 dots at the top right of the comment, then press edit and fix that mistake
@@eliteplayer3881I wish I knew what it originally said. Lol
I understand why Jean snapped. It’s one thing someone killed your friend, it’s another thing someone killed your friend and then they feel guilty about it. Reiner doesn’t get to be sorry or feel guilty because he made that cruel decision. It was already bad enough that Marco was killed, but the fact that Reiner started feeling sorry for himself, he indirectly made the situation about himself instead of Marco, the actual victim. He took accountability but then turned around to self-loathe.
And it wasn't the first time. When they took Eren through the forest Reiner started talking about what reward nhe might get until Eren snapped and yelled at him which made Reiner suddenly realize what he was doing which then led Eren to yell even more especially the "You two created the hell we are living in right now, you have no right to feel sorry for yourself!" then followed up by the ice cold "One day I am going to make you pay and it's gonna hurt"
Reiner didn't kill marco
Annie did
Why is she getting away with it?
@randomusername3873 true, i find it baffling that people just forgive Annie like nothing but everytime someone mentions that the fans suddenly say "muh you just dont understand great writing!"
@@AuroraBoost People forgive Annie? I don't see that very often lol. I think most of us know how cold she was in S2.
@@MachinaOwl Really? I rarely see anyone blame Annie. Most are super forgiving and like to use the excuse that she was a victim of circumstance brought about by her father and Marley. While it not entirely untrue, Annie was far from just a helpless victim. She was pretty cold blooded and that's what made her such a great antagonist in the beginning. Reiner and Bertholdt's stories were done so well, but I'm disappointed that Annie basically got off with just a slap on the wrist. She never got any punishment for all the soldiers she killed. She appears like the regrets her actions, yet at the same she admitted that she didn't regret what she did. She got to reunite with her dad and even got a boyfriend out of the deal. I see some say that her time in the crystal was her punishment, but she was safe that whole time and even had Armin and Hitch talking to her. Reiner basically shouldered all of the blame. Annie should have at least had some punishment.
I cant believe Hajime Isayama would write such a good story that it makes me want to do what Jean did here, and many other things.
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Thing is... I still have a soft spot for Reiner 😓
One of the best things about attack on titan is that both jean and marco were nobodies. Nothing side characters that got as much screentime as a miriad of other side characters, expected to be fodder. Yet jean lived, jean became something. If the story went slightly differently, could the same not have happened with marco, or the rest of the side cast? The feeling of the world being apathetic towards who lives and who dies is something great about the show.
Yeah and Jean lived and got with Mikasa ITS CANON I’ve should’ve realized this back in season 1 you have really beautiful long black hair lol
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@@Smoothkiller358 not with my upcoming ending ASSHOLE heheh 😁
@@Smoothkiller358 oh yeah and who fault is that hmm you E X M Mofos make me sick congratulations on destroying a well written have fun until the nukes come for all of ya I won’t feel bad for any of you 😁🔥
@@sarubet8725jean could cook but eren can’t?
imagine what Levi felt in that situation knowing anie was also there.
But annie isn’t one to talk much or maybe she would and say she sorry but Levi is an adult tho there’s big difference while she,Reiner& Jean are same gen so as former friends or war buddies ofc jean would reasonably be mad
@@cloudy5115true, while I think Levi also would have something to say yet he as the older one held it back
@@cloudy5115 One of the things I hate about the end is how they pretend like Annie didn't kill 100s of people. she deserves to get her ass beat more than Reiner, they letting her off the hook because she's a girl
levi dint have a hint of anger, great writting btw
The simple fact of the matter is that Levi is usually the most level headed person in the room. He wouldn't prioritize his own personal vendetta over getting the important shit done. In this case, even if he wasn't injured, what purpose would killing Annie serve? Avenging his comrades who died in battle? They were soldiers in a regiment where the vast majority usually die terribly. That was always a risk and Levi isn't naive enough to have not understood that. Annie was carrying out a mission, there was nothing personal involved. As wrathful as he was over his OG squad's deaths, he was out the second the objective was complete and we never heard him talk of revenge for his squad in the aftermath. Why would Levi then choose to make it personal, years later? That's childish and it usually isn't Levi. Annie is a highly skilled warrior, has the power of one of the Nine Titans and is currently their ally. What is the gain here?
For all Levi's pragmatism, Zeke actually is a weak point for him. Zeke's flippant toying with the lives of others, lack of remorse for his heinous actions and the overall arrogance in which he brazenly presents himself opposes Levi on a fundamental level. Remember, Levi was devastated upon realizing that he, humanity's strongest soldier, had in fact been killing humans every time he slaughtered a titan. Zeke is his antithesis. Zeke couldn't be bothered to learn the name of the village that he titanized; Ragako being the hometown of one of Levi's immediate subordinates added even more fuel to that fire. Sure, we remember Annie yoyo-ing humans and stomping on them like insects. However, Levi was there to personally witness Zeke using Erwin and the other survey corps members as target practice; Zeke was gleefully enjoying murdering them in droves. He turned their tragic, heroic, desperate suicide charge into little more than a baseball game and was openly yipping like a cheerful child. It's not simply about fulfilling Erwin's final order, Levi genuinely hates Zeke Yaeger. Yet still Levi looks at the bigger picture and does not kill him. He knows how vital Zeke is, so he puts his own wants and, essentially, Erwin's last command on the backburner. He doesn't trust Zeke at all, he figures he'll eventually betray them but he wouldn't move unless Zeke proved him right. Him not killing Zeke was equivalent to letting his comrades' sacrifice, his best friend's sacrifice, go to waste.
He still didn't do it.
Zeke titanizing Levi's subordinates in the forest, reducing their lives to fodder and callously weaponizing the close bond Levi shared with them? Well. Everyone has a limit and that was Levi's. Zeke had just proven him correct in the worst way and, while he had the sense not to kill him, Levi prioritized his personal hatred of Zeke over his logical side. Torturing Zeke, setting up that reckless death trap was nothing more than an act of vengeance. His hatred toward Zeke was more than justified but him slicing off his legs, inch by inch, was for Levi and Levi only. He was pissed and he wanted revenge. He let his feelings cloud his better judgement for the first time; a rational Levi would not have set up the thunder spear trap that the vengeful Levi did. And what did he gain from this? Well, we all know the answer to that question.
In summary, revenge is as petty and childish concept that has zero benefits beyond a fleeting catharsis. And comparing Levi's treatment of Zeke with his apparent lack of hatred towards Annie doesn't make sense. Levi abhors everything that Zeke stands for.
Marco was important to him. My heart is breaking...
I like how this show isn't afraid to look ugly. None of them look overly beautified, and their expressions aren't glamorous. The characters often show off a look of pure uninhibited rage, their face ugly, contorted, and harsh, how anger is supposed to look, not glorious or intriguing, just raw and animalistic rage and trauma portrayed in the most authentic way I've seen in an anime.
I was surprised by how sloppy Jean's punches are, none of them land cleanly after the first two. His wrists are bent and the angles are awkward, some hammerfists thrown in. He's just battering Reiner. Very realistic.
Jean got pissed because Reiner acknowledged what he did was wrong and then instead of just letting it rest turned it into a personal pity party for how terrible of a person he was. He took a moment that should have been about mourning the senseless loss of Marco and *(intentionally or not)* made it about himself.
Levi, who lost literally every friend he ever had to Annie: Am I a joke to you?
Levi is old and wise. He's able to control himself and he knows that Annie and Reiner are just soldiers like him and just following orders. He probably have deep grudge on them but his real target was the war chief Zeke for killing Erwin.
@@christbenitez8797 Indeed, as you said, he was a seasoned soldier who knew his mission. And in the end he was fighting to give meaning to all their deaths. I think he also understood it's not about hating Annie, but the cycle of hatred that drives the world. Glad he was able to find peace at the end.
@@christbenitez8797Soldiers? More like terrorists.
@@christbenitez8797 That's not really a good reasoning honestly, at best it's just a headcanon that people made up.
Levi seems to be pretty angry at Zeke after all. I know some people will bring "Oh, it's because Levi promise Erwin to kill Zeke", but it was clearly more than just fulfilling a mission, he is extremely pissed at Zeke. At least confronting Annie in conversation will bring an interesting development.
not really every friend, his previous 2 friends before he join the survey corps were killed by another titan
Its not just the characters, the plot, the storytelling, dialogues, fight scenes, enemy design, complexity of it all or even the tramatising gore... The directional skills are simply amazing in this series.
Marco's words really stuck with Jean and helped him become the great leader he is. Marco was the biggest player in Jean changing from a selfish asshole who wanted to be MP for his own comfort and benefit, to being a fantastic soldier who helped put a stop to it all. Marco may not have lasted long in the story, but his impact was huge.
Fun fact; Marco’s voice actor in AOT played Mark in JoJo, who died in the exact same f**king way.
Brutal
Woah didnt know they had odm gear in JoJo
@@youwantfood9586Missed the point entirely
@@calamityclash0018well tbf he said the exact same way
@@calamityclash0018 it was a joke man
“But at the very least. We’re talking now without trying to kill each other.”
Speaking a bit too soon there Hanje 😅
Reiner doesn’t want forgiveness but a beat up, Jean delivered both requests and he is the only one who ended up wounded cuz only Reiner can heal. Such a nice guy and this isn’t even for a joke
Reiner was asking Eren to kill him. Eren refuses. This time, Reiner can’t die because he now has a purpose of stopping Eren. But he still needs a beat up and pleads for it. This time, his past comrade, Jean, delivers.
And they become best friends.
annie didn't move a finger lmao
She did in the manga she helped reiner
in the manga she help
She took off his odm
@@diegovazquez8001 bruh
I do not like Annie, at all.
That b*** got away with pretty much everything.
She should have been punished by death or something
I can't IMAGINE the tension of sitting down to a meal with the man who killed my friend. I can't even begin to imagine the rage that would be bubbling up under my face.
It's intresting to me how important Reiner ends up being to Jean in the end. Even after this at the final fight, Jean is the one who is most concerned about Reiner staying alive, even putting himself in the line of fire to save him. Now of course you can say its just because "Reiner is important to win the fight" but it does seem like Reiner is still important to him as a person, even after hearing this and telling him that he can never forgive him for it. Such complex characters Isayama wrote.
Despite everything else, and everything that Reiner did, I think Reiner was still his friend -- by the end of the series, even if it would be a "payback" of sorts for what happened to Marco, one friend's death doesn't bring back another, and Reiner's death would have been another blow, especially if he chose to let Reiner die. He's angry at him here, but he holds it together until Reiner starts being all "woe-is-me" about Marco's death. I think hearing Marco's final words could have helped him to move on, too. Even Marco, being killed, still wanted to talk things through and understand them.
The best evidence for Jean still considering Reiner a friend is when he still counted him as a fellow Scout when they were inside Rumble-Eren.
I feel like Jean was also thinking that Marco wouldn't have held a grudge against Reiner. All he wanted to do was talk but he never got the chance. Jean probably realized that Marco would want to release the possibility of a lifelong hatred and just move past it. That's what Jean did. Marco would be proud of him.
In the manga you can see Reiner tearing up when he sees that Jean turned back to a human
Jean and Marco were the best of friends they both encouraged each other when they were in trouble no wonder Jean reacted the way he did.
This is why children should never have to go to war. It’s fucking wrong on way too many levels.
Tell that to the Ukrainians
@@calamityclash0018 yeah, I heard about that.
@@calamityclash0018 True, though reality isn't that simple like some cartoon where you can blame one side of a violent conflict. Ukraine didn't merrily decide to do things like that, they were PUSHED. Palestine as well. People talk about how HAMAS are all evil terrorists but they forget the reason that group even exists to begin with. Can't imagine living in a place categorized as an "open air" prison.
There were a lot of adults in AOT who were in the military. The only reason they sent out children was because the rest of them were getting killed off so fast they had no other choice but to enlist teens.
@@fbiagent3998 yeah I ain’t mad at the people in this story for putting the kids in the military. Their entire situation was messed up from the start.
i will never forgive those 3. good job jean
The fact that jean understands there have been many marco in both paradis amd eldians in marley continent, amd there still are many and plenty of marco to be saved so he swallowed his anger and went with their alliance
The best moment that Jean just avenged Marco 😢
A few punches is not going to do anything, Marco is dead regardless. Jean could kill Reiner but how does that make him any better?
@FilthyFrankenjoyer This ain't about Marco anymore. It's about those two.
Suprising how Jean reacted when marco got killed but didn't even hesitated killing his own people and betraying his own land
who tf cares about betraying the land
its like when a jew stands up for the genocide in gaza and people say they’re self hating
@safinhh8312 I didn't see any jew killing his own soldiers for Gaza, tho.
@@jyotirani8187 well they should
Amazing how relevant Marco is to the story, he looks like a typical background character ngl
The switching scenes or the treetops is such a cool touch to a very tense conversation
I cant imagine how much anger and horror jean was feeling at the same time. The truth hit him so suddenly and he was also the one who found marcos body. Truly a traumatizing moment for him.
The way they kill marco was very brutal and enough brutal that it make me hate all of those three
I am glad that Jean didn’t forgive annie
Marco reminds me of Maes Hughes from Fullmetal Alchemist. He basically could’ve been the one to unravel the mystery at the earliest stages of the story but had to died to prevent that.
We all know that if Jean had wanted to kill Reiner, he would have taken his head off instead of beating the crap out of him knowing full well that Reiner can heal from such a beating.
I don't think that was what crossed his mind when he was filled with rage
How tf is he gonna take his head off with his hands? Plus he's not immature enough to pull out swords because of a petty vengeance
I call cap on the "we havent been trying to talk anything out" everytime the scouts tried to talk it out with reiner or Botorlo they actively avoided it and instead went straight to violence. Paradis gave marley and the world so many chances to talk it out and they just did not care
isayama really wrote himself into a corner and you can really see it here
Marley didnt exactly give the kids a chance to talk it out. If they came back with nothing, they and their family would die. If they sided with paradis, who knows what kind of torture paradis had in store (remember the marley propaganda?)
@@hillariat2147 the Marley propaganda wouldn't even make sense at this point since they had been there over 5 years. Hell even in season 3 bortululu told armin straight to his face "none of you have done anything wrong and you are not devils"
1:04 bro even Magat is horified
YO PIECK IN THE BACK MADE ME FALL OUT MY SEAT LIKE EW WTFF
fr xd
Nah fr why is her titan so ugly
I miss Marco :(
Me too! 😢
I half miss him
This scene is very explicit about what I think is a core theme of the series. The inability to show the vulnerability required to cooperate, locks them all into a death spiral. Existential distrust between different groupings of people leading to genocide. Did Eren not enact a horrific genocide because he saw no peaceful path for his people to survive? The world had cornerned them and the human animal fought for it's life.
Bruh pieck really relaxing in the back like its a vacation💀
Jean, keep kicking
For the sake of the audience
she is a victim just like everyone else, you wouldn't hate her that much if she killed some random person instead of Sasha
@@Omega-jg4oq that is infact ONE of the reasons
@@somepepperonyoutube8374 You do realize that Iseyama wanted to Kill Sasha since S2 the moment she saved Kaya and fought that Titan, she was supposed to die there..
@@Omega-jg4oq and that is why i will shit in isayamas onsen. for 10 years at least
you people's ideology is what this whole show criticises Which is the cycle of hatred In the aot story
0:05 i imagine in the manga that looked amazing
this entire scene in the manga was heartbreaking
Eren is right. These people wanted to kill them all. Eren’s only mistake was to go after everybody nation outside the walls, he just should have killed the nations that attacked paradis.
Would have been a more peaceful path but he would also become a public enemy and an even greater threat to outside nations. Therefore being more prone to hate, and attack.
eldians were looked down on in all nations
@@benn6086 he could have manipulated all the Eldians outside the walls and change their memories like Tybur family and Willy tybur and erase that hatred towards Paradise mindset, the problem is Marley and half of the world
@@Omega-jg4oq nah f*** the eldians outside of Paradis as well. All of them are more than willing to sacrifice their own people, even doing it themselves, just to be a bit more "free" in Marley. They would have never sided with Paradis, they're beyond brainwashed as we can see with these pathetic self hating fools in the clown alliance.
And honestly, the fact that it got SO bad is on them as well. Not a single one of them fled to Paradis to seek refuge and help in a century. Just Grisha. Only one single person did that. Mindblowing. They're too far gone and they had to go, too.
did you completely skip the declaration of war episode? it's literally about uniting the world to get rid of paradis.
The way they just show us the branches of the trees while reiner explains the nitty gritty of it is so disturbing. We're not even allowed to see how the other are reacting to base our reactions off of, We're in the same spot as our characters here as we're suddenly just dropped this load of information and now have to process it.
Ofc this has already been revealed to US but I'm sure the audience had been itching to wait for the reactions of the others when they eventually find out
@@ileana2242 I agree, waiting for this scene in the anime was hard for a manga reader like me lol
They sure took their time getting him off Reiner lol
I think they deemed it reasonable but they stopped it cuz it was probably too much of a beating.
Reiner and Bertholdt
Jean and Marco
Levi and his squad.
We can all agree Reiner deserved it. Brainwashing or no Brainwashing
Onyakapon's face is like: "Damn. That is fucked."
Marco 100% would have been sitting on that plane if he didn’t die there
Jean only knows that Marco protected him that's why he died but knowing the real truth behind Marco's death it was extremely hurtful.
ここでマルコの遺言のおかげで、マーレ側との対話が必要と気付かされてるの、切ないながら少しでも何か残せて良かったなぁ…てなる
This may be a small scene but Marco's death has a great impact to Four of them, Jean, reiner, Berthold & Annie. Marco is the reason why he join survey corps to three of them, he's the first person & friend they betrayed even Annie cried on what she did, she even had a nightmare about him.
This was the exact scene that showed me that there were no enemies. Just two opposing worldviews trying to reconcile
jean was finna catch a body
That’s what makes hypocrites creepy once they do a bad deed they would start crying and become confused from their lack of logic as to why they were doing it.
2:20 AS YOU SHOULD DO JEAN!
Jean is just right. Reiner deserves more than this.
Yeah! Eren will nott force to commit massive genocide if it weren't for him.
And Annie got the D instead, amazing writing, how deep
@@randomusername3873You really lack any iq dont you
I always thought the beginning of this scene seemed familiar. I just remembered. (Fullmetal brotherhood spoiler ahead)
It's similar to the scene where Envy, after becoming weak, reminds Edward of how Scar killed that girl (I forgot her name), and told him to ask about it. The difference is that, unlike Reiner, Scar didn't have any regrets so he didn't reply
The girl’s name was Nina
I think Scar only didn’t regret it cuz he knew the rest of Nina’s life would’ve been nothing but hell for her, she was a chimera fused with her dog who would’ve gotten thru awful experiments from the govt
To Scar, killing Nina was saving her from a life of pain and unhappiness
That's why the mission failed so miserably, because Reiner was leading it instead of Marcel 😅
I watched the part when Marco overheard the conversation and got eaten alive just before this. And Reiner remembered everything Marco said and it seemed the whole scenario stuck with Reiner vividly.
Reiner was genuinely TWEAKING throughout the whole show💀🤦🏽♀️
Never forget where it all started. Team Eren, Floch, Erwin forever
I love the part where they showed a bunch of branches and sticks
this scene is so awkward that we are shown branches instead of their faces to make it easier to watch
They did that so people focus on the conversation
marco's death is the first betrayal in story. it open up another hurtful moment and betrayal.
Man imagine if Reiner wasn't so Suicidal
He would probably have fought back and jean would've taken a few hits too
Best Jean moment
Unrelated but Gabi's character development has been incredible - she reminds me of Eren on so many levels.
I used to really fxking hate her. But she’s justified from her own perspective. 😂
@@benn6086 valid honestly, hated her character so much in the beginning but she basically turned into an absolute savior with protecting Sasha’s family, kind of came full circle!
Perfect
Alternate title: Reiner learns his place beacuse of Jean.
I will change the title for a day if you subscribe 😏
top 10 aot scenes that annihilate the shit out of me
2:41 Love you Jean! 🤙🏻
Damn jean want not playing around he really beats that ass😂
I will never get how none of erens friends stood by him and sided with the enemy
Tbf, Annie alone killed alot of their companions, Bertholdt was the entire reason multiple others turned to the Survey Corps (Jean and Armin are the confirmed ones, Jean because the Trost battle changed his mind and Armin because Shinganshinas fall was the reason his grandpa was forced to partake in the Survey Corps.) Along with... The death in general. Reiner also contributed, just not as much as the others. It's clear to why they wanted them dead. Oh heck, I didn't even mention Zeke killing off Erwin and the gang and Pieck helping with that.
If they stood by him, then his plans are ruined. Eren is only doing all this to keep his friends safe and live long. He's using every method possible to make his friends fight against him and hate him so that they'd walk on the side of heroes and him the villain. If eren told them his real plan, do you think they'd agreed to it? Eren knew they won't like the idea of sacrificing his life for their sake so he's pushing them away on purpose.
@@cyphertongue sure but it was Eren's idea in the first place to cause the rumbling, because he wanted to exact revenge on the world. So in theory if Eren knew the future in the first place he actually wished to cause these events in the exact same order they happened.
Eren's desire to cause a genocide was larger than his desire to spend time with Mikasa and his friends
@@HarshvardhanKanthode The point of the genocide was also that the world wanted to kill everyone on paradis, including Eren's friends. Without the rumbling they'd all die early. Paradis and Marley were already at war before the rumbling and Paradis wasn't the one that started it, Will Tybur did.
Spot another typical anime fan 😂 Poor Isayama. His masterpiece got dirty by these brainless anime fans
Anie did a bunch of fucked up things. Killed a lot of innocent people that was trying to defend Eren.
That's just it. Sure Annie did a lot of fucked up things, but almost everyone did seriously screwed up stuff. Annie, Bertholt, and Reiner were all just older versions of Gabbie, hell none of them were much older than her at the start of the series either. The biggest theme of AoT is that everyone is morally grey as hell.
@@wholesome_masochist4113 Except she ended up getting a free pass for it, that's the difference.
@@TheStrawberryCloud Yes Gabi absolutely did get a free pass with all her bullshit. Annie actually got consequences for her actions, even if they weren't followed through on later due to needing her to stop the rumbling, and with the gang knowing the full circumstances of the warrior trio and their angle by that point? Gabi got off Scott free for literally everything she did, while Annie at least did not
@@TheStrawberryCloud Annie was trapped in a personal hell for 4 years where she could only think. She definitely didn't get a pass in this show lmao. And the reason people weren't upset with her in this scene? She owns up to everything she does and she keeps her mouth shut.
@@MachinaOwl Except it was a hell of her own making, nobody forced her to encase herself in crystal for all those years, she chose that herself, so how is that punishment exactly??
This scene was one of my favorite in the manga but here, Could've been lot better but it is what it is .
Dont skip the cut scene
The only one who luvs Reiner by the end is the author😂😂
I love this scene where Reiner is getten beaten up
I dont blame Jean nor reiner.
I've always said that Reiner really is the biggest loser of the story. He's so pathetic and sad, and for some reason, I think that makes him so relatable
Well at least he survives, and he succeeds in his goal of getting Gabi and Falco out of the war, so it can’t be said he lost everything
@@capybaraandwatermelonenjoy8208 no of course, by the end, Reiner has redeemed himself (as much as he could have, given the things he's done). I just meant throughout most of the series
@@alexchng yeah true
Reiner let Jean Beat him Cuz he felt guilty but If Reiner actually fought back he'd beat Jeans ass
Nagato Pain was right…..
Yes I am.
@@Pain-yx1ri Kratos: “The Cycle Must End…..”
you just felt jean's pain here as he hit reiner
The fact that both Gabi and Reiner survived is still infuriating.
reiner is my favorite character
Yelena is a d1 instigator
One kick to gabi was not enough
Y’all still hate Gabi? Even after her character development?
@@calamityclash0018 I know her character development still I cannot get over her killing sasha
I will never forgive
@@veerapandiyan1431 From Gabi's perspective, she was definitely justified in killing Sasha lol
Jean went apesh!t on Reiner
jean has every right to be furious… they are the reason his best friend.. is dead
1:38. That did not last long.
本当に描くのうまい。jeanは正直許してるところはあるし、我慢できる範囲なのよね。でもreinerはwarrior unitとしての判断に基づいて即座に行動したものだったことは事実なのにもかかわらず、いまだにそれを立場上誇らず、なんなら私情を吐露して同情を買おうとし、なんとか許してもらおうとしてしまった。それではwarrior unitにいるのにもかかわらず、それを全うする覚悟はいまだに持てていない。と言っているようなもの。その筋のなさにjeanはキレた。jean側からしたらそういう人とは協力する気にはなれないもんね...
This fucken scene man …
I’m sorry but if you tell me you killed my bff and some bitch on the side goes “But who’d a thunk we’d be sitting around a campfire together!?” Everyone in the vicinity is catching these hands, especially gabbi
Exactly
I couldn't agree more. My wife gave me crap about the dishes yesterday, so I beat the living piss out of gabbi.
Hange really says the dumbest shit
in fact, no one hate any for that all crimes. she even got her love and happy ending life
They should’ve added a flashback of Marcos death in this episode as Reiner was explaining Marcos Death. It would’ve made the episode more emotional imo
No it would've been worse. Adding flashbacks to an intense scene is a cheap way of helping the viewer remember what happened. AOT doesn't need to rely on that and it's much more powerful having the memory of what happened.
@@RaveStarTVeh. I’d have preferred a flashback over way too rapid jump cuts and five minutes of staring at branches
@@TheSavWolf There is flashback in season 3 explaining everything and Annie taking off Marco ODM gear Now I can see why naruto have so many repeat Flashback cause no1 remember anything
@@Jake-ch4of I remember that
I'm saying I still would have preferred to see that scene again, instead of just staring at branches
The fact that Annie and Pieck just let Reiner get the shit beaten out of him… I’m starting to think that the Survey Corps members still like Reiner more than the other warriors like him, even after everything he’s done to them
annie got into a fight with reiner before. but they are still comrades. weird how pieck and annie dont care
In the manga annie tended to Reiner after jean attacked him, she gently Reiner's head and placed something under his head i think. In the anime it was cut from the episode.
Man this scene made me nervous as hell and I'm not even a Marleyan Warrior
he shoulda kept kicking gabi 😂😭