Dealing With Homicidal Thoughts | Chicago Med
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- Dr Reese treats a patient who is having homicidal thoughts about his wife and newborn. However Dr. Charles disagrees with her methods of treatment when Dr. Reese decides to use exposure therapy.
Season 3 Episode 10 "Down By Law"
Dr. Manning and Maggie's boyfriend, Barry, witness a drive-by shooting and tend to one of the injured gang members. Dr. Manning's life is saved when Barry pulls out and uses a concealed weapon. Consequences arise when Barry's concealed weapons permit is invalid due to a false identity. Meanwhile, Dr. Manning and Dr. Halstead are horrified when they tend to a teenage patient who is pregnant and married to a much older man who refuses treatment for her. Dr. Reese makes a reckless decision with a patient who wants to be on a psychiatric hold because of homicidal thoughts.
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i like that this dude actually Wanted to get help for himself and it was his wife who was hesitant and trying to deny it. i’ve often seen it be the other way around
I can see that. What I don't get is why there is controversy if he voluntarily commits.
@@brettknoss486 Because see wants here husband to be their.
And then there's another doctor indulging the wife in going against the husband's wishes.... If somebody want to be admitted they should be allowed to, espiacially in cases like this where there is a chance that they might hurt themselves or someone else. Even if the chance is tiny it shouldn't be disregarded.
Maybe it’s because she was in denial and she didn’t want to be alone during the pregnancy
Alex Krause everyone is allowed to be committed, if ofcourse there’s a high chance of them hurting themselves or others. Otherwise specialists will talk to you and try to come up with a solid plan for how to get through the day/ night and if needed increase outpatient therapy. If the plan can’t be made solid for instance when you live alone and there’s no possibility of someone else that can be nearby, they will also admit a patient
She used the right approach WAY too early, she should have taken more time to get to know the patient's condition, he literally could have killed her
Yeah, it probably was too early- but OCD intrusive thoughts is very easy to detect if you have experience in it- she clearly recognised his condition instantly.
She recognized the behaviour immediately and wanted her patient to recover.
Its more of an obsessive disorder in my humble opinion rather than psychosis or schitzophrinia
Ofc it's good to double-check but you can usually see OCD right away
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I have OCD AND some anger issues and intrusive thoughts that you MIGHT hurt someone are really feel and look different from when you WANT to hurt someone.
The problem here is that I would freak out if I open my eyes and there's a knife -_-
It's better to discuss those things with your patient BEFOREHAND.
It’s fake
I agree with doctor Charles. True that Reese was right in the end but she was too eager to try her methods. The problem isn't just that she put herself and the patient in danger. She was thinking of herself and a way to proove she was right. She was no longer thinking about the patients well being in that momment.
Bro your smart
Yes, and she didn't get any consent from the patient
I was just thinking... right ok so she said pretend I'm your wife... Me: errr but your not
If someone says to me pretend I'm a bear, be scared... and then a real bear strolles on in, I'm going to have 2 very different reactions 🤷♀️
Really want to know about the rest of the ep... did he leave, kill his wife?
But still she is really brave if i am that i will just used another kind of therapy
big brain
Having him confront the thought while alone in a room with her was a good move. Actually giving him the means to seriously harm her in a second was a very stupid idea.
Yeah.
This man was having very clear and powerful thoughts on slaughtering his wife. Dr Reese decides "fuck it, I'll lock myself in a room with a potential murderer and hand him a knife, because absolutely nothing could go wrong in this gem of a plan"
Cornelius Dybdahl It really wasn't, people with OCD will never act on their fears, it's the whole point of the disease, it lies to you, this is actually a very common technique used by psychotherapists
She would obviously need to be completely certain of her diagnosis though
you all are idiots, that’s the technique to get the doctors to understand there exact thoughts, so if he was supposed to hurt her she would’ve have protection trust me, he just need to be by him self so that he could really get out his thoughts.
@@josiejacobson1730 No, that could likely be accomplished without actually giving him the means to kill her, or at least be made less wildly unsafe by giving him only the means to kill her slowly in time for intervention as opposed to instantly - not to mention that the whole reason Dr. Charles chewed her out was that her setup was unsafe, thus validating the premise of my comment on it.
You should not rush to assuming people are idiots.
there should be a chicago psych or something. i find the psych clips with dr charles interesting
Omg yasss
OML yessssss
A dedicated psych part of Chicago meds.
WoW!
Failed Abortion same it’s so interesting
Same, I love psychology so This is so interesting to me
The fact that she is trusting him. Gives him more trust in his self to actually not do it.
Omg.
Fuck you it should go private
only if a person can realize that in real life in the first place
@@alishaconkerton318 uhm thats rude (:
Yes exactly
This guy looking like the dad from boss baby
Omg he really does
Really true
Ikr 😹 😹 😹
HE DOES TOO 😂😂
Oh true
"Can't you just give him some pills? " i Hate This Type Of People
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Its only a suggestion not like the women dont care and wanted to get out of there immediately. She was very concerned
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She just didn’t understand, she’s a new mother who’s worried that her child won’t have a father
She went against the instructions of the senior clinician. She put herself, her patient, and other patients and staff in potential mortal peril to try to prove she was right. I would generally assume that that sort of behaviour would result in severe reprimand at the very least, and should probably legally bar her from practice for some time.
Agreed. The ends doesnt justify the results, just because she was right this time
People in Chicago med are narcissists and they get away with everything.
In real life, she will be real trouble. This is going against the hospital policies as well.
@@kelseyswanepoel7056 that is very true. Remember that it is not like that on real life.
@@kaitlintropper2061 All I want is a believable medically accurate where the drama comes from patient deaths and injuries. I don't think that's to much to ask for, but my mom's actually a nurse so I have an extra hate for that fakeness.
That look on dr Charles face when he sees them with a knife. Great acting. He genuinely looks terrified.
*Dr. Charles scolding her like she's his own daughter. I love the relationship they have.*
Idk why but whenever they say “committed” all my brain does is say “admitted”
Cuz you know, I’ve been admitted many times 😅
Dude i thought i was the only one lol
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Because you no longer say "comitted" it IS correct to say admitted. Its not committed suicide it is either attempted or completed suicide. Its not been legally called that since the 1960s
Yep, definitely OCD. It kind of comes from an intense fear of becoming or doing something. The person in question won't legitimately want to do any of the things their mind is telling them to do. An extremely terrifying and debilitating condition.
On point! I don’t believe he would’ve even picked the knife up.
@@bellap.4623 Yeah, you're both absolutely right. A part of my own OCD is that I'm extremely afraid that knifes or other dangerous items will hurt me. I would NEVER pick up something that could hurt me, and if I see a sharp knife, I try to get out of there ASAP. Which once again shows that the man wouldn't have tried to kill his wife. He was just terrified of the thought.
Exposure therapy does not work for intrusive thoughts on their own or quickly. There's an entire, drawn out system that can take months or longer, and should only be done when the patient is ready to accept it - not when they're in extreme distress caused by the fear/intrusive thought.
What she did was really risky. She didn’t do it with the right intent either. She only did it for her benefit to prove she was right to Dr. Charles. She put herself and her patient in literal danger and yes it worked out in the end but if it hadn’t Dr. Reese would have been dead and the patient would be locked up with major guilt for the rest of his life. If I was Dr. Charles I would have fired her or at least put her on suspension. It probably was the best method for his case but with the little knowledge she had it was incredibly stupid 🤷🏼♀️
She definitely thrusted the diagnosis too early! Technically when it’s OCD there is almost 0% chance that he would’ve done anything, but they needed to do a deep evaluation, to confirm the diagnosis.
As someone who's struggled with intrusive thoughts, I really hated this. While committing the guy is a step too far to my mind, I can understand why Charles would take it out of caution and his plan was exactly what the dude needed: To be calmly assured that he was in control and that having those thoughts didn't make him dangerous.
Reese's actions were reckless and endangered both herself and the patient. Exposure therapy only works when the individual is willing and ready to confront the issue (eg. If someone has a phobia of dogs, you will not cure by locking them in a room full of dogs without their consent).
I absolutely agree - if someone had done something like this to me when I was at my peak of suffering from them, I genuinely would've had a full breakdown. It's really irresponsible of the show to suggest that is is a way to deal with them.
I’m beginning to dislike dr resse she’s very reckless and keeps doing things wrong and not learning from her mistakes
Niamhycakes she is just doing what she thinks will help
@@just.me_rubes4790 her superior decided on the best course of treatment- following the patients wishes, but she decided she knew best. She went against the judgement of someone who had been in the profession a lot longer than her, because she figured what worked for her would work for him- potentially endangering herself the man's wife and unborn child. Also, she risked her Hippocratic oath.
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But whatever she did worked, doesn’t matter how long one has been in a certain profession for, sometimes the person who has more experience can be wrong. In this case Charles wasn’t just following the patients wishes he wasn’t helping the patient in realising that he had a conscience and that he had the ability to say no to his thoughts.
@@azzy840 it was sheer luck that it worked when it did. Charles didn't say no all together toher plan but that they needed more time to assess the situation.
she put herself and the patients wife in unneccessary danger- based on a hunch. what would she have done if he couldn't say no?
she had him in a room with a weapon whilst suffering dangerous violent thoughts and no idea as to why.
She’s still new
When I hear a doctor say its going fine at the start of the clips
Me: Sure... Defiently will stay fine XD
YesLegend pretty sure it was the wife
People don’t understand that this is called Pure OCD right it’s a anxiety dirsorder
Yes! I’ve got it and I instantly knew that’s what it was
@@hatetheusername me too
@@hatetheusername can u explain it?
Same, I recognize it right away, also I knew he wouldn't do anything
Finally, a comment like this, thank you! I also recognised it immediately.
i genuinely feel bad for him (i know it’s acting btw) he’s self aware and wants to get help, his wife is in denial.
I have OCD. i completely relate to him, i was convinced i was a danger to society and i couldn’t be around my younger cousins without being terrified i was going to harm them. i struggle to spend time with my brother because i’m always worried ‘what if i’m attracted to him??’. OCD is known as the doubting disease, it makes you question every part of your identity. i can feel the genuine terror in his eyes.
The “crazy man” looks like a skinny version of my maths teacher
😂I'm sorry
Mr Kettle?
Im ded
You should show him and be like “if you went on a diet you could look like this” with a huge smile 😃 like that emoji
Do we have the same math teacher?
"He's a gentle soul" ofcourse he is, if he wasn't she wouldn't know about the homicidal and be dead by now tbh
She put the patient at serious risk of self harm. He may have stabbed himself to repress his urges. In fact in all likelihood that’s exactly what would have happened this early into his treatment
It's so fascinating and terrifying at the same time on what our minds can make us do things.
Netflix shows: Am I a joke to you?
Chicago Departments: something like that
Dr Reese is seriously so bad...
Pepper sprays a guy and also never listens to Dr Charles for important shit. How is she not fired???
She had ptsd that’s why she pepper sprayed the guy as he was threatening her
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@@benmackarel295 that's a huge problem. Her mental illness is different from the patient she's treating. She should not use her experiences to guide treatment.
She has PTSD...
@@aebeeceeonetwothree1377 PTSD isn't an excuse for a badly written character though
Honestly don't like her. She always does things to prove that she was right not for the patient.
Sizankosi Nqentsu who
@@4mbxr Reese
Sizankosi Nqentsu o ok
In cases of Harm OCD, the patient needs to undergo a series of treatment before finally going in Exposure therapy. The patient needs to be evaluated before undergoing it. This is a very bad move. It is too early and too risky. It is true that most people who suffer from it won't actually do it, but there is still a chance that they really might commit, especially in worst cases.
I love this show (even though I only watch it in clips lol)
Yo same
Same
Where can i even watch this
Haha same! 😂 I think I’ve purchased one episode of Chicago Fire and one of Chicago M.D. off CZcams, but I’ve essentially been watching this show for about a year now by watching clips of episodes like this on CZcams. I’m glad I’m not the only one who can get ‘addicted’ to a show but not watch THE WHOLE EPISODES 🙌 I did the same thing with House lol - just watched a gazillion clips off CZcams in a completely random order 😂
Lol I watch all the Dr Charles clips. They really should have a Chicago Psych spinoff
That's scary bro he wanted to see his wife
There are so many unprofessional doctors in this show that go rogue, react too emotionally or simply act on their ego instead of what's best for the patient
okay, as disobedient as she was, she did the right thing but should've asked Dr Charles first
Sameeha Nadeem if she asked him , he would say no
That was *definitely not* the right thing to do.
It aint the right thing if it was the scenario in real life she was proving herself not treating the pt,(probably needs help herself),he couldve harmed her(as all ocd patient get obcessive thoughts followed by compulsion to complete it to feel satisfied) he came here for help not to get in trouble by completing it,this aint the case exposure therapy shouldve brought on priorty eg its not washing your hands for 2hours or your face for 4,or checking the lock of a door 50times its HOMICIDE
She did and he didnt even say no. He said get the dude committed first then assess and then we'll consider therapy. She just rushed in.
It wasnt right, it was luck that he wasnt actually dangerous. He could have easily actually been dangerous and no one would be saying she did the right thing then would they.
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GrimBioHazard same here it is so good but in real life this would never really happen this fast yeah
I know right it so good but it wouldn’t happened so fast
How does anyone at this hospital other than Dr. Charles still have a job?
The most unrealistic therapy I’ve ever seen
“The baby needs it’s father”
Wel it needs a mother to but if u ded it’s a problem to
Haha that was my first thought!
I seriously hope Reese got into major crap for this. She overstepped the boundaries, put herself and others at risk, and disregarded Dr. Charles. She has a massive ego.
8:17
Thats the look i give my dad when he says we cant have chicken nuggets for breakfast
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Twins!
or when your parents drive past Maccies 🤣
OCD is hell and it's lifelong.
This seems to me like a very strong obsessive thought, which can convince you of anything about yourself. It is terrible, you can't get them out of your head, until they convince you that you are a terrible person. All you want is your thoughts to go away, sometimes you can't even sleep.
Was I the only person who thought of a brown bear when Dr Reese said not to?
Nope I did
I've been thinking about bears for a few minutes now.
You are sarcastic, right
When she said don't picture a brown bear I pictured a white bear ¿
Bruh
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Maybe I would have given him a fake knife instead of a REAL one.
Manticore Be he would have realised due to the weight difference, maybe have security right outside door and blunted the knifes but it was a stupid move ngl
Ok, I agree that Dr Reese shouldn't have acted so quickly and with such extreme measures. However her treatment worked, yet there should have been more time to evaluate the patient. I love Sarah though, she's extremely smart and a great doctor.
The patient still could have easily killed her or himself. She did the therapy for selfish reasons; a) to prove she was right b) to confront her PTSD.
In a RL scenario, she's would have been fired and kicked out of med school for that. Even after she got scolded she still showed no remorse for her actions, believing she was right.
okay but what if it didn't work? what if the guy had stabbed her and killed her? he would be charged with murder and Dr. Reese would be dead.
Dr. Reese isn't reckless. What she did worked. Sometimes you need someone like her who is willing to try something different, because the stuff he has tried before hasn't worked and this did. And that she trusted him.
Exposure therapy works, but it's ramped up from 1 to 10, not at 8 on day 1.
Exactly, it takes time not just straight away.
reese definitely pushed the exposure therapy too early and skipped a huge step (creating a tier list of his fears) but it is not unheard of for psychologists to put themselves in situations just like reese did with the patient holding a knife to her throat. not every one will and thats okay but in serious cases in which that seems to be the only option left? yeah. its an option and it wasnt fair of dr.charles to call it stupid when she had multiple people observing and i'd like to think she gave the trauma crew a heads up in case it went south for her.
No it was very stupid, people observing means nothing, he had a knife 3 inches away from her throat, it takes a second
I don’t believe you.
The people weren't observing as a precaution, they were watching because of the shit that was going down, Dr Reese hadn't asked them to be there -_-
That was a pretty bad idea, but I understand it. Reese knows what it is like to live without a father - and so she did whatever it took to get that man home. Even if doing so could be detrimental to the patient.
Exposure therapy isnt as simple as a one time realization, it can take up to months to gain control
Damn. That must have hurt Reese so much. Being called stupid by someone she sees as a dad.
Well, not a lot of people would be praised for willingly placing themselves in a locked room with a guy who's confessed to having homicidal thoughts. There was still a 50% chance he could actually kill her.
Y’all are right but I see that this episode is trying to show how Reese is using what she’s learned to her advantage. Like exposure therapy. It also shows an upbringing of her maintaining her fear levels.
@@bryncarys3074 It wasnt about her though. She used a PATIENTS SITUATION to her advantage to advance her own therapy. Whats the first thing shes raving about when she gets out that room? SHE wasnt afraid of him anymore. All she care about was herself. Doesnt matter if shes brave now and wants to show that, a patient is not an example to improve or develop your own personal problems. Theres a time and place for that.
He call her stupid. He said what she did was stupid. Two different things.
what would she have done if he actually came at her w the knife tho lmao
I love the way Dr Charles always speaks so calmly
Totally unable to stop watching these clips. They are so captivating.
Those are intrusive thought. They're not always about murder, but they are about very violent and awful thing that you could do to others and yourself. I have them. A lot of people have them actually. Trying to push them down doesn't help. Like Dr. Reese says, you have to understand they are just thoughts. You're always thinking, thousands of thoughts going through your brain throughout the day, it makes sense that not all of them can be good. It's scary, but the most important, like with any mental health struggle, is that your thoughts are not you and they're not always true.
"I wake up in the morning and I got murder on my mind"
I struggle with anxiety and have symptoms of ocd, that man reflected those same thoughts that i had/have, but i am getting treatment
This is pure OCD. I have also suffered from this.
I don't care that she was right in the end. The fact is that this is illegal and dangerous.
I love the conversations between Dr Reese and Dr Charles
Omg so so so good 😊 love it and am binge watching the whole series lol 😂
The most heartbreaking thing here is seeing a disappointed Dr. Charles
intrusive thoughts suck so bad. I get those and it's scary, especially the graphic violent ones. it makes you question whether you're a bad person or not. you don't want to hurt people obviously but when you're getting intrusive thoughts of hurting/killing people it's hard to figure out what's an intrusive thought that's out of your control and you don't want to act on and what's just a regular thought.
Love this channel ❤️❤️
Reminds me of the story I heard of a teenager who started having not so good feelings about his neighbours kids so he told his parents and he started seeing a psychologist and the neighbours were thankful when they found out because he decided to get help before he acted on his feelings
@Brown Incel I didn't type that out right, he was having sexual thoughts about the neighbours kids, and I wasn't there so I don't think he did, but he got help before he acted on any of his thoughts so there's not really any harm done in this specific case
Sorry I didn't make that clear
Also, homicidal thoughts don't warrant an arrest but it does warrant counciling, and maybe a psycologist, it's only if someone acts on it that they can get arrested for that
If homicidal thoughts were illegal then I would've been arrested years ago
I like psychiatrists like this who have experience in counseling. They always know the right things to say
Smells like ocd
Edit: I was right.
BIG BRAIN
jk-i feel genuinely bad for that man
I got chills when u saw the knife
im dealing with homicidal thoughts too , and im glad I reach help
This made me so nervous 😬
Come on let's do the world a favour and put this on netflix
Dr.Charles is right, ppl can snap just like that. Reese got lucky
Y’all saying dr.resse is reckless but remember this is acting and if it gives you that vibe then she is a really good actor
Why do I feel so bad for these people but I love these videos
Just love Dr. Reese and Dr. Charles.
Has anyone else not watched a single full episode, and has only watched these clips?
Anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge in mental health would know that that man has intrusive thoughts I instantly recognised it cause I suffer from this very real and very scary mental condition myself
Honest Ecstasy it must be a very hard thing to go through the least I can do is pray for you🙏
Why do I love this show much omg!!
I had thoughts like these (not about harming others, just thoughts I HATED, they were weird and yuccckkkk) and I was told by my therapist to think those thoughts. Instead of pushing them away, think them, and show myself that just thinking them, nothing happens. Thinking about doing something you don't wanna do doesn't make you a bad person, actions do.
It helped me a lot. I would do it in school, and looking around and seeing that nothing changed, no one looked at me, everything was normal, it really helped.
It's hard, but after it passes it feels like a triumph, like you just won first place in a contest of skill. I still use the technique, and if you reading this struggle with thoughts you hate, give it a shot. It doesn't work for everyone, but it could really help you in daily life.
This is the best show
These actors are so underrated their roles must be so hard to portray
I need more uploads
I would have skOoTeD out of the room so fast
Isn’t this a form of anxiety being so scared of something that you keep thinking about it .
6:00 when the screen went black I thought the video was over and I was about to lose it
Absolutely ALDC lol same
Same
i miss dr. Reese so much
❤️ Love this show!
Im simping for Dr. Reese hard right now.
Psychiatric element of this show stands out of all other medical dramas.....& Watch it just for Dr.Reese
I love the psychologist I also wanna become one in a hospital. I always try to find out what is wrong with the patients.
This was a good scene I missed it
Poor dude, so glad he got help, wife was horrible for refusing him treatment
good series
Is there a playlist like chicago psych or something ? Your clips are a quite good example for psych majors
I'm the same. It's called pure ocd and harm ocd. But recently I've noticed I have almost lost empathy and feelings. It scares me how blank my face is all the time. I'm afraid I may accidentally hurt someone and not be bothered by it. I'm so scared of what I may accidentally do. What can I do, why do I feel this way. There's no anger behind ot or anything. I'm just so afraid of hurting someone. I just want peace, I've never had peace in life. O just want to eternally sleep before anything may happen. What can I do? Please
I hope you are okay
This is exactly what I'm dealing with, I think it would be good to see a psychiatrist, you should if you can. I personally can't, I'm still a minor, but if you can, I recommend you to do it. There's not really much I can say, since I'm dealing with the same thing, but I hope you recover from this. Talk to someone, if you're comfortable with it.
Great episode 👇👇👇👍👍👍
1:22 someone needs to give this guy a hug
how can u not love dr charles
The people who know they have a problem and actually WANT help so often get held back by people around them..
i mean if chicago med was a series i would binge watch em all :)