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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2018
- That's right, I'm doing a #SpaceX-style rocket collaboration with Ivan Miranda: / superazote
The brief we set each other was to design electric rockets that could land upright again and be reusable - just like Elon Musk's company SpaceX. We're both using Electric Ducted Fans (EDFs) and various control methods. In this part, I show the CAD design, the build and wiring as well as some of the coding that went into the gyroscopic flight control and flight stability systems.
The Arduino autonomously controls the rocket stabilisation but rather than have a rocket drone, there's also manual control and override built-in as well.
Check out Ivan's channel for his build video and his other projects!
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Going up was ok! - I think I know how to make a version 2 that works better, would you like to see it?
yes James.. Continue this to Version infinity :)
James Bruton yes please!
James Bruton of course!
Yes!!
Definitely YES!
‚I covered the horizontal, you do the vertical‘ lmao :D
We need a t-shirt of this
I‘m glad you tried your ideas, even though they failed. It gets boring just seeing the same old “well it works so let’s just copy that design” mentality. Failure is one of the greatest teachers. Let me say this, you can both actually make your ideas work without having to abandon your designs or add much in complexity. Think of what you thought was going to happen and visualize what could have gone wrong. Let me know if you want help in improving your designs, I’d be happy to help :)
emmanuel carretero if failure was the best teacher I'd have a PhD by now.
SirArghPirate I personally like the “measure twice, cut once” approach. Though measuring four times is even better. Just less fun to watch...
Acrimonious Mirth
But “measure twice, cut once” has its limits. Failure will open new and different views on your project, you will discover new things you didn't even have a clue about before.
Spoilers...
C Fry
If you look into youtube comment sections not expecting to find comments related to the video then you gonna have a bad time.
Please, please say that this will just be the first of future collaborations with Ivan. You two guys are among my favorite makers. Beyond your projects, which are always interesting and your sense humor my favorite aspect of James and Ivan is their constant upbeat nature. It's impossible to watch either of you and not smile. Please do more videos together!!!
We would both like to do more!
@1:30 Ah, the good ol' pendulum rocket fallacy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum_rocket_fallacy
Just paused it a 1:36 to post exactly this! It's an easy assumption to make, I suppose, but it's always amusing that people who know nothing about rocketry also make the ridiculous assumption that, even though all rockets have their engines at the rear, their way might somehow be better!
Made that comment on his video building it. At least he learned something.
theMEGAsalad lol, as soon as i heard him say that i paused the video and comented about the same thing :))
@@kasa6468 it's a stability issue. Yes, it makes gravity do the work for you when pumping fuel, but if it was more stable to put the engines on top they would do it. Look up Goddard's original designs, he had the motor above the rocket to "make it moe stable" and it didn't work.
"These aren't the droids you're looking for" :) ...... and it worked. The force is strong in you.
In you, strong is the force.
This right here is why I love CZcams! People doing amazing things and having fun.
Yes yes! This was great! Please do more!
Ivan and James together, it's like having your birthday on christmas !!
At least it was true to life rocket building. A lot of effort and money blown in a very short time. I especially liked the land rocket covering the horizontal aspects of rocketeering.
Glorious! Please do more collaborations with Ivan. I can't wait to see version 2!
yes we would both like to do more!
Gentlemen, that was totally worth it. Missile mode confirmed James. I think Elon will contact Ivan to help with the Boring Company progress. Cheers, JAYTEE
Bravo for showing these test flights. Too often we want to only see success, and then wonder why things are so hard when WE try. This gives me encouragement!
I'm hoping to do a part 3
It's always nice to see good friends playing with their rockets. :D
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We now have the two Ronnies of making.
Absolutely brilliant.
Favorite parts of the video - James ushering the cows away in typical English fashion, "Alright now, move along. Nothing to see here." Ivan and James fire extinguisher shopping. Ivan requalifying the challenge saying, "I covered horizontal, so vertical is up to you."
Actually surprised that Ivan's rocket didn't get as high as it really took off in the workshop video last week. Hope you guys will reattempt this!
Well we thought it would go up more than that
James your idea was definitely the winner ! The Jedi part was the best one !
What a good thing it worked out at the end! Nice landing there, guys!
Your best and most funny video so far 🙌. Thank you! Had a blast 🚀
Great work guys, at least it made it off the ground for a short while
You really got me on the ending of this video. So funny, so realistic. Please keep trying crazy ideas, you're awesome...
Love Ivan's videos, underrated youtuber
Great video. I know it’s not what you wanted but when it turned and went straight into the ground , classic NASA early launch test footage , means your going in the right direction
That just made my morning. Well done guys. Would love to see more
Enjoyed that alot. Thanks guys
Best collaboration on CZcams!
"I've got the horizontal, you do the vertical." That had me in stitches! I had tears in my eyes!
This is the vid yet. Loved the Jedi mind trick on the cows lol. Have a great break in Spain. Can't wait to see the next vid. TkEZ»UK
This was so damn funny.. please do more!
Failure is always an option! :)
And sometimes a requirement
"Success is not final and failure is not fatal". -Winston Churchill. I love that quote.
Awesome to see positive and creative minds getting together and doing great things.
Well, back to the drawing board. Keep at it boys. Great project. Hope to see more.
Awesome work guys. I trust you will both be back with upgrades/changes.
You two gentlemen are Great! I Love It!
Great landing :-) enjoy your time in Spain
Cool stuff guys ! Looks like you guys had fun and I enjoyed watching! Take care! 😊 peace ✌️ from Welland Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
This was hilarious! both of you alone are great, but together.... damn! The best video of you 2!
best video of us 2 so far...
This is CZcams Gold Content. I love it!
every failure is one step closer to success :) love both your channels. awesome work guys.
"I'm not done it still works!"
For a given definition of working! Good thought on the spare. :P
Great work
Great comedy James! Always a pleasure to catch an episode.
Congratulations on attempting this ~ truly entertaining even if they didn't work as designed
Great film!
That was great
I aactually really enjoyed this more vlog style sort of thing.
Nice one guys!!!
Maybe its a good thing that you both don't live in the same town!!!
No cows would be safe at all...
The Mad Man is this a spacex joke lol
Congrats for your efforts guys, coolllll,
That was great! You guys are hilarious.
You guys are great.
Isn't Ivan Miranda falling for the pendulum rocket fallacy?
100% yep
7:55
Yes he is. Since the rocket body is rigid, the thrust vector changes as the rocket tilts. There is no righting moment (aka the parachute effect), despite what intuition tells you at first.
A pendulum rocket would need really large control surfaces, vectoring thrust, and a very well programmed automatic flight control system to keep it on course. Essentially a control system akin to how the F-18 jet works. That plane isn't stable. The control system is constantly making corrections with the control surfaces. The pilot's input with the stick and pedals is to tell the computer to allow the aircraft to be unstable in the desired direction.
not yet. technically it has to liftoff first.
Thanks - brilliant
Would it be possible to put one edf inside a single tube with the necessary gyros, controllable vanes and fins, use the battery and electronics to balance it? This way it operates like a fire breather but lands vertically like SpaceX.
Just seen both of your guys channel and instant sub plus notification on . Love both of your guys channel.
thanks!
So Ivan secretly built a torpedo?! 😂
He...actually later built a torpedo, though that may have come out later. Lol
People usually tune the gains by attaching string to the top and hanging it from something. That way you can't crash but you can still test how stable it is.
Great job guys, if it was easy we'd all be doing it....
Believe it or not, there is a lot to learn from it, what counts is that you tried and it was funny!!
Great work guys lol
you both work well together, more collaborations please
Very entertaining
Hahahaha awesome guys! Need convention for sure!
Next to each you do obey, let me know ahead of time!
Thumbs up from Alicante
Funny as hell !
If it wasn't for the traveling distance involved I think it would be amazing to see regular "Double act" collaborations between you two........... Or possibly edited highlights of you and Ivan brainstorming new ideas........ In a pub........... During an all day drinking session ! (Everyone knows the most creative ideas come to you between the points when someone slurs the phrase "OK, Just one more then I REALLY have to make a move" and the time you're both wobbling down the road looking for a kebab van. LOL !!!)
Well we would both like to do more!
From the thumbnail we can definitely see someone had thought it through more than the other xD
What? Can you elaborate?
Great videao! Success come from failure! You went higher than the first rocket at the first try! I call that a success!
I am just happy to see two of my favourite youtubers working together. Can we add 3d printing nerd and punish props for my ultimate 3d print maker collaboration.
Very good, a new use of drones, the rocket drone, ja ja ja
A lot of fun. Best collaboration so far! Now, including the rocket video from Tom Stanton, some 9 months ago, we have already three tries. So far Tom is the winner but I think there is room for improvement on all designs and I think more CZcamsrs/aeronautics students should have a go at this.
I think I will make it work with powerful enough motors and enough control!
what a great video
Very entertaining. Better luck on the next version. I hope Mr Elon hires you both to lift up the mood when anything goes wrong in spacex lol
Thanks, this was very enjoyable. I had a feeling it would be about this successful, but not this funny!
Good Video Guys!
awesome collab in Spain.
Ground: “Of course I still love you”
Que maestros los dos!! Ivan la me encanta tu onda y James es un genio!!! Felicitaciones a ambos, hermosos cohetes pero el de James es claro ganador. A James le vi todos sus videos tambien, un Genio como pocos! Saludos desde argentina.
i Think that you two should make just one Rocket that fly and meassure the altitude... ;) just a suggestion
Awesome Jedi powers!
And the force is strong within you
11:02 HYPERLOOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
would the result been better and easier just to superglue a model rocket on top of a drone?
Well at least on of you got in the air - kind of. But it was super fun:) I loved it. Also the camera and editing on this was great.
I'm sure you will learn from your mistakes and the next version will be be even better than SpaceX!
Nice work keep it up, it will be good if u keep define terms in short especially ardino n coding ones for us mechanical maintenance guys
😂😂😂😂😂 Ivan’s reaction to how his rocket flew was so god damn funny! “That was ahhh pretty good top speed 👌🏻👌🏻” ☠️☠️☠️
it definitely bodes well to see you guys working together, but some depth would be interesting. a reality show goes into more detail than all three episodes combined.
example? no i don't mind. testing with no hypothesis or record of performance or changes based on it. not that you didn't do those, but we didn't see any of it. just two guys with tape, pushing buttons and "well that was weird"
At least the cow thing worked, right? :-D
Still a good job guys.
very educational. tape doesn't fix rockets. Noted, thanks for the lesson. electric rockets are something i never really thought about because of the issues they have but it is nice that people are testing them.
Well played guys, we all learned lots :D
Pendulum rocket fallacy. I'm not the first to say it, but it cannot be said often enough.
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Could you combine the blue one with the red one? The red rocket's edfs could be what the blue rocket needs to be stable. The potentiometer could control the red edfs (with some redesign), with the main thrust and manoeuvring coming from the blue edfs.
Lol this was a fun episode!!!
The Rest of us is going to realize the unbelievable achievments of SpaceX.
Fusion red and blue= perfect
Would it be possible to integrate the stability control firmware from a drone ?
Well it has that - check out part 1
James your are a real master jedi
Ivan is clearly the king of horizontal.
Great job - if anything it was entertaining rather than educational :)
Y'all please have a great and blessed life always.
you have to put the wait somewere else because if you go down to quick the heavy side wil go to the ground first
That was super awesome guys. My guess is that there will be many who will try to successfully fly a stabilize EDF rocket in to the lower heavily realms. Who's down with the challenge?
the rockets are really cool but that tank is awesome. can you point me to the video and stl files? i would like to make that but add a top to it
Just like the early days of SpaceX - keep trying, you'll get there!
You should make this an annual event.
Epic launches.
NASA wants to know your location.