Another thing to note about the Battletech choice is that by buying both of the starter boxes, you now have two formats to play with. To put it in perspective, that's like being able to buy into both AoS AND Warcry; two distinct gameplay formats in the same setting for an immense fraction of the cost that you could even splurge on a half dozen Clan force packs and still not exceed the cost that GW demands of you to be able to play. Heck, for the same price as that start collecting/combat patrol combo, you could buy Alpha Stike, A Game of Armored Combat, the Clan Invasion expansion, and both Comstar force packs. That's a full Binary (10 clan mechs), a full Company (12 Inner Sphere mechs + auxiliaries), and a pair of Level IIs (12 Inner Sphere mechs). That's three fully functional "armies" to play with in Alpha Strike and definitely more mechs you could ever need in Classic BT. All fully cross compatible and interchangeable to boot.
Two formats of play and multiple scales to play in, that's where the real value comes from Battletech. That lance of minis you get to play 4 Mechs can be turned into a company because 1 Mech represents 4-6 units in Battleforce. Thus the 4 minis now are 16 units on the field or even more if you go into Strategic Battleforce rules. All the while, the stats from Battleforce are just the ones from Alpha Strike. All from the rules of one book, boom you are off and ready to play entire literal armies now.
Might I recommend Gaslands, the game itself consists solely of a $30 book and either raiding your kids hot wheels collection or running to the dollar store and picking out a handful there. All told you can have a competitive team for less thank $5 plus any time and effort you put into painting / weathering the cars to look more Mad Max-ish.
I can answer that, when I checked the website for this video all I saw was the start here patreon with STLs, so I did not know they sold pre-printed minis.
I thought the same... Until I realised the prices are so high just for the plastic crack, that including the books as WELL is almost redundant, except when you consider some of my favourite games let you download the rules for free.
Glad to see Mantic getting a bit of appreciation. Their Starter Boxes are superb value. But where Mantic really excel is the gameplay. KoW and Firefight are great games. But if you want to dip your toe in the Warpath universe I would highly recommend a Deadzone Starter Box. There are two on offer for 3rd edition - the only difference being the starter factions each contains. Coming from the world of GW I think it will melt your brain what you get for your money. And how much fun the game is.
Battletech may be a scrimmage game, but it has deep rules for Combined Arms if you want it. It also has an unofficial Tabletop Simulator (megamek) that could do all the math for you.
ASOIAF (game of thrones) is also quite cheap with very streamlined rules. A faction starter box is about 100€ which gives you ~ 30 points (standard competition list is 40pts). Each starter comes with the rule book, faction specific dices, standard terrain, movement trays, cards, …
Lets not forget the army building app that you can keep track of your collection, lists, and updates to have the up to date stats on units and game modes
@@Wargamerofalltrades It is excellent - alternating activation system + rank and flank makes maneuvering key + non-combat tactics board and tactics cards add a ton of strategic depth. Check out Hits and Crits, Yecats, or my own channel for ASOIAF miniatures content.
@@Wargamerofalltrades it plays quite nicely. Compared to 40k/AOS, I feel it’s way simpler while adding back some complexity that « makes sense ». For example, units are on standard tray (4x3 for infantry, 2x2 for cavalry) so they are easy to move and line of sight is dead simple (there are sight markers on the tray). But you have bonus when charging/shooting the side/back. And you have two movement type (one short which allow to turn before moving and one long that make you got straight). So positioning is extra important, and flanking someone is very rewarding. Unit characteristics are also based on the number of remaining ranks (not the exact number of remaining minis). When you still have three ranks you hit with X dice, two ranks Y dice, … This seems simple, but it gives the designer a way to give some flavor to some unit without relying on custom rules. For example, most units becomes less powerful as they loose rank. But some elite ones will stay as strong. Some can even become stronger (like barbarians be coming crazy when they loose friends).
I am happy you enjoyed it! I like putting the spotlight on lesser known games, and it looks like this time CZcams decided to show it to so many more people then normal, so I am pretty happy with the reach it has gotten!
Star wars legion used to be so cheap. In 2020, expansions at my flgs were $20, characters were 12, and big vehicles were $47. Core sets were $80 and occasionally had sales for $68. Asoiaf is amazing because there is ZERO assembly required and you can get an army with everything you need for $100. Also mesbg CAN be amazingly cheap for being a GW game
I am glad to see Kings of War and Firefight making the list. They are both really great games. For Kings of War, the multi basing and model agnostic really allows freedom in your army to get the look you want. Firefight however is my new love. I have picked up a box for each faction which still costs less than my Tau army I had for 40k. The older models are not that great but the new ones have come a long way and are really affordable. Another thing to mention about Mantic is the Mantic Vault. Every month they release more STL files you can get and print for their games. Mantic Armada (think GW Man O War) is pretty fun and most the ships are available in the vault. The vault also contains quite a few upgrade components for models so you don't have to shell out $$ to get resin upgrade kits. You can now just print your own. This along with the companion app they have for their games makes list building easy as well as looking up rules during a game.
the Best wargame in my humble opinion, not only cost wise, but also as an introductory system for beginners, is SAGA, with victrix models. Armies tend to be 40 models per side and there are several "universe books" depending on your taste, be it fantasy or historical. If you want Vikings? Victrix sells a bundle of 60 models for 46 USD, Greeks? 48 models for 44 USD, Romans? 60 models for 36 USD!!! if you want to turn it into a fantasy army, just add a monster or something unique to it. I bought a plastic Dinosaur toy and painted it up for the fantasy side.
What I love about conquest is that the two player starter box is exactly that. You even get two rule books. They have not stopped trying to make the models better and better.
@@Wargamerofalltrades I think this is a bad idea as all these games exist in the same eco system. Some skirmish games are more expensive than tradition wargames but they emphasize on the experience over tons of model, which is the base reason we play the games.
Agreed. Infinity is far and away the most underrated wargame… which is hilarious because the community and company make it seem like the most happenin game always!
you'd be surprised what having two sides of a game to demo will do for a community. And with cheaper prices you can do it! Then when they are enjoying the game AND having fun, hit 'em with the cost difference. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get people interested. I've done this with Parabellum's Conquest at my FLGS, there is a community formed already in store and a wider community growing in my city! :-)
@@wurzella1 Aye but you need to have an opponent with their own team. It's not like a board game where they pick one of the Monopoly / HeroQuest pieces. Or even a skirmish game where they could play your spare team or proxy one to their liking with a few models. A wargame needs an opposing _army,_ hopefully one that has been thought-out by a dedicated player of another faction. Its a big barrier to entry.
@@darthkek1953 that's what I meant, buy a couple of teams so that there's models available for other people to try the game out. If the rules are fun & the teams not too expensive there's a decent chance you'll get some others buying in once they've played & enjoyed themselves. If we want people to open themselves up to more of the gaming world than just GW we need to be the change we want to see 🤣
Mantic Games has nice Models yep, i have some, Kings of War is a typical Rank and Flank wargame that is pretty cheap compared to Others cuz you dont use individual Models in Regiments, that gives you the Options to use less Minis in a Regiment and build Diorama bases, Mantic Games also allows third Party Minis in Tournaments, what i Like about Kings of War is that i can Play an Undead Army With a Necromancer General as a good Guy 😋 If i want. It also have different Starter Boxes.
I was in my FLGS yesterday. I got into Star Wars Legion last year. I keep looking at 40K, it’s just insane. I don’t see how they can justify this other than just greed.
To each there own, AOS 3rd edition has been surprisingly fun to play, and 4.0 looks to be a breathe of fresh air. I also love Old World so I can finally find people to play against my Tomb Kings. Games Workshop is a terrible company, and I won't argue that, but I do feel like AOS is the most solid game they offer right now. It is slightly cheaper as well in most cases due to lower model count armies, especially with 10th edition 40k. That being said it is still stupid expensive
@@Wargamerofalltrades “They” in this context is Games Workshop and their greediness :) Definitely not throwing shade at players! I’d play AoS if it wasn’t for my Legion pile of shame :)
Star Wars Legion is cheap and the nice thing is I won't half my expensive models removed before I get a turn. The Ganeswork option that can be considered is GMs Battle for Middle Earth.
standard battletech is a true war game. having combined arms consisting of infantry all the way to space war ships and everything you can imagine in between. as far as army size, you can have a squad of basic soldiers (7 troops) to company's (minimum 12 units) to battalions (minimum 36 units) to Regiments, Divisions, Corp or Army. the scaling is up to the players - and not based on points, but organizational title. as far as cost and value, 'a game of armored combat' is $60usc and gets you effectively playing for as long as you want. since the game is miniatures agnostic, you never really need to buy anything more.
Great video given exposure to other war games but I think Battletech should have been #1. You can get away with just buying the Alpha Strike box and the kicker, you don’t have to assemble anything!
One thing about Warmachine is of course also that in many ways price comparisons are difficult. First, if you want to play tournament games, you usually get to bring two lists, each led by a different warcasters and choose which to play after looking at your opponent's lists. This means that a "true" tournament army can bigger than you'd think - although you can easily build two 75pts lists from the core box plus the expansion. You can probably build two lists from the core box + a cadre box, or an expansion box, a cadre box and an additional, separately bought warjack or warbeast if there isn't one in cadre box. However, the game is also very modular. You keep swapping out warjacks, warcasters, units and solos when building different lists. So Warmachine more encourages you to buy a toolbox for building army lists than a single army. Even more so, with the core warjacks/warbeasts being modular - a core box typically has two warjacks/warbeasts, each with 4 different interchangeable right/left arms and heads each.
I haven't jumped on MKIV yet, but the lists look easy to manipulate a bit out of box as they include different arms AND the magnets to make switches work with models already designed for the magnets! I played up to 2nd edition and it was a fun game! Not sure about the changes to MKIV, but if it wasn't for the cost I'd have done it already...maybe I should go proxy some old models and give it a go....
Warmachine is a great game! You get a lot of variability with the starter and expansion. Each army is led by a leader "think your king in chess but as powerful as the queen" you get two of these with that set up. You also get two warjacks. Each has magnetic arms and heads so you can change what weapons they have to fulfill different roles. So you can adjust and change your army list without buying more things, but then that option is there as well
Another Warlord game, that probably qualifies as skirmish, Blood Red Skies is one of my favorite wargames that is dead simple to learn. It's WWII airplanes that you can get into with a single squadron box of planes for $25-$40. That includes almost everything you need to play, minus dice and the rulebook.
It’s funny I kind of fell into Battletech and Bolt Action, partly thanks to GW. I bought some Star Wars Legion models for the simple fact that they were so cheap and I could get some of my favorite characters. Thanks to some sales on Amazon I now have plenty of models and I’ll be getting into that game as well. Great video and appreciate all the research.
you can play a complete game of Alpha Strike and Battletech with just the main box though? The alpha strike is literally 2 lances vs a star, classic full size engagement right there
I personally think Alpha strike is best played with even more mechs, and see the starter set as that. Either way, it is one of the cheapest wargames right now
@@telleryoutube4458 Point being? That Starter set gets you a fully playable army, not 75 points but 50 IIRC. That would be equivilant of getting a roughly 1250 point 40k army, and that will cost you a LOT more than 200 USD.
@@christianvandenboorn6001 I threw them away about 10 years ago, after giving up on the hobby. Just last year, I got started again... And now, I regret that decision due to the very expensive cost of models, lack of model selection for some armies, and imbalance in armies. The latter was there back then, but still.... you'd think they would have fixed it by now. The latest edition was supposed to do that..HA!
Get a nice miniature agnostic rulebook (I recommend Lion/Dragon/Xenos Rampant, around $25.00), and some 1/72 scale miniatures and models. Italeri has some wonderful infantry minis that go for around $15.00 for a box of 40!
just got into battletech a few weeks ago with the GOAC and Alpha strike box sets so far great rules the last time I played was the late 80's rules have barely changed over the years but the mech's are now plastic and look like the illustrations from back then hope to try new game in a few weeks with friends there all painted and ready to go :)
Another good cheap wargame on the skirmish side of things is fallout wasteland warfare all you need is the core box for a faction,the core game box( because costume dice and rules like legion) then they have a “free” army building if you’re ok with using a note pad
I gave up 40K and W/H years ago and at a time when the game wasn't too bad either (5th ed 40K). I'm currently enjoying Bolt Action quite a lot (I love WW2 anyway). Bolt Action is easy and not too expensive, get a 2 player starter and then a starter army, that matches one in the 2 player starter and you've got a playable army with a few options on how to field it in a standard size game. You missed the Flames of War family of games and their offshoots. Flames of War is WW2 in 15mm and instead of a platoon size game, like Bolt Action, it's a company size game, where you can easily have 10-20 tanks, plus supporting units. The offshoots include Team Yankee, which is 80-90's era Flames of War, plus 'Nam and Fate of a Nations in the 60/70's. There's also the newer games Clash of Steel (Flames of War based rules, for just tanks and easier to play) and World of Tanks (more of a skirmish game). A lot of the models can be used across the systems which helps cut down the price of getting armies for the different versions of the games. You can easily buy a starter army and a few complimentary units to go with it and have a playable force for not a huge amount, relatively. Lastly for Rank and File games, thee's Hail Caesar from Warlord games. I've picked up a couple of thier starter armies (Roman and Greek) for under £60, so it's possible to get a lot of troops, for not much money. If you don't like how the game plays, there are many other 'ancients' rule sets that you could just buy a rulebook for and use the Hail Caesar models. There's also loads of companies, like Victrix who also do 28mm 'ancients' figures, so you can pick and choose your models, you're not limited to models by one company (like GW stuff)
Just jumped into Flames of War. 15mm WW2. Got a full 100 point army for just touching 100 GBP. Be careful with SW Legion - it quickly becomes a money sinkhole.
Warmachine was a lot bigger 10 years ago. It's on the smaller side of Army combat, mainly because the main units are not the blocks of troops, but the magical mecha the game is named after. Fun game and game setting though.
Historicals (from Warlord and other manufacturers too) tend to be pretty affordable. Since the minis are not based on a particular IP you can choose between many manufacturers and they can easily be reused for a variety of rule sets. If there's a period that interests you, give it a go!
I still think classic battletech beats legion, not only because you can buy a box of 4 mechs for a lance, but you can use anything as a mech, unlike with gw where you have to use the models they sell you.
Flames of War is great too. Many starter sets routinely on sale for 50$ on Amazon/eBay… can pick up two of those for a large force or buy an army in a box for 100.
The dropzone commander star is pretty cool and can be found cheap. Two armies, paper battlemat and cardboard terrain. But 10mm minis, so lot for those who dont want to change scale, love the game though.
The last edition of Warmachine is just flat out amazing, and the new models are really good. The model with a fairly expensive but very modular Core army set is getting supplemented by what they're calling a Command Starter soon, which means the buy-in will be less steep than the core army.
I honestly didn't even know Warmachine was still going! I played so much during Mk2, the game completely crushed 40k locally. Then Mk3 came out and it felt like the whole community died overnight, I sold my armies online after my local scene vanished
@@maevethefox5912 The new edition is doing very well. We're introducing a bunch of new people to the game locally and they're loving it. Feels like early Mk2 again, in many ways.
Mantic is, like all British minis companies, made up of former GW employees at every level. Their main rules designer is Alessio Cavatore, who was a main designer for Warhammer, Warhammer 40k, Blood Bowl, Mordheim, Bolt Action, and Lord of the Rings.
Just as another system set of rules, I would look at Xenos Rampant. It doesn't have its own minis line, but is a system for smaller battles from Osprey. I mostly just use my old 40k and Warzone forces in it.
Good summary, same journey but different timeline. GW 40K minis now relegated to OPR armines - Mantic Deadzone and Firefight are so much cheaper and easier to play and without the toxic GW community idiots. Can also use Mantic mini in OPR so win, win, and again win. 3D printed armies from OPR are very good also.
Great video, the gaming community needs more of this... the masses need to know 40k isn't the only option! You can't argue the quality of their minis which are sensational, but their extortionate prices, suspect business model and incompetent rules writing is too much for many savvy wargamers these days. Mantic I love. Their models are getting better which is great to see, but the rules are just spot on. Simply, easy to learn but tactically in-depth is what you get from Firefight, Kings of War and Deadzone.
While I love Age of Sigmar/Old World, mainly due to the friends who play them, I do have to say GW hasn't been my favorite for a long time. Also the pain of making these videos and now realizing I want to try everything I have mentioned still hurts my wallet
@@Wargamerofalltrades Old World is very nostalgic for me and so I'm trying to get back into it, I desperately want it to be good. Trying to navigate the rulebook though was a reminder of how, whilst being lightyears ahead of most with their models, GW are still very much trailing behind when it comes to actual rules writing. Still, it's mainly about who you play with rather than what you're playing, and the main issue with any of these other games you've talked about is finding anyone who is actually willing to give them a go.
I have been lucky with a really open minded local gaming group and friend circle, and most of the games are cheap enough that buying two factions doesn't break the bank, But I do get it, it is harder to convince most people to try these smaller games
Price of books and necessary accesories are important as well. Take bolt action as an example - there you need order dice, armies of book and the core rulebook as well 😊
I used to play gamesworkshop LotR. It was expensive back in the day, and its even more insane now. Started with Legion and never looked back. Super good community!
I remember when my 1500 point chaos army (IIRC it was 4 squads of marines in rhinos, 2 vindicators, a chaos lord and sorceror, and a defiler) during 5th edition cost me like £300, prices are insane now.
I think so, sure. I bought some 6 mm armies off of Etsy to play one page rules, it worked really well rules wise. But the miniatures had some issues. So many feet broke off while trying to clip the supports. At that size you can easily hide it in grass, but after that experience I decided to not really do 6 mm anymore. Not with infantry anyway.
For the cheapest wargame in the world, look at anything historical in 20mm or 1/72 scale. You can get HO scale model railroad buildings cheap for terrain. Also you can get the figures and vehicles depending on the era for less than $20 each in most cases. For under $60 you can have everything you need for a good historical wargame in whatever era you really like. Many older rulesets are also available online for free.
I'm currently looking at a WWII French Colonial platoon with options (AT gun, 60mm mortar 2 HMG), all in metal - $143 USD It would be a bit lower without the Senegalese head swaps for the support weapons. Bolt Action is a great WWII game as well but the real advantage is that you can re-use your figures and vehicles with other rules sets. No one owns the IP for a Panther and your Shermans are never going to be retconned out of your list. I prefer Chain of Command rules wise but there are many more out there and for many different periods. Now a caveat, if you get into 28mm Napoleonic mass battles - your wallet will take a big hit and you probably won't ever finish painting all your figures. ;)
Yep, I really like all the options for the scale, you don't need to buy from Warlord. However I haven't found a game in that scale I enjoy more then Bolt Action
Something to add for warmachine mk4, 75 is actually American tournament size. the recommended starter casual play is 50 pts and that's what the 200$ USD starter boxes give you. Edit, Warmachine IP got purchased by Steamforged games so who knows how it will be now.
@@Wargamerofalltrades it was, i recently switched to it with GW just not being very consumer friendly. that an being mad that they Axed Beasts of chaos. But it just got announced that steamforged now owns Warmachine instead of privateer so who knows how that will effect pricing.
This why I started buying Legion instead of Warhammer, I love Warhammer, but I builded an army with what a combat patrol cost (was on sale on may the 4th, but still)
40k would be fine if they didn't keep removing minis and changing unit composition and forcing you to be on a constant race of spending money to have a fieldable legal army.
A Song of Ice and Fire should be metioned(CMON sells Starter for 100€ including Usable Terrain and House coloured Dices) in one Box you habe prebuilt models, Rules, Cards and all stuff ro get started. And do not to forget the Price Tag on the GW Rules(if competetive)
Though. I havent looked at the game in ages because i could never find anyone who was interested enough to get into it, seems like the places to buy this are extremely limited. Not even amazon offers minis anymore.
Look at Infinity the Game by Corvus Belli. 15 models + terrain = around 350; however, for around the same price of a Space Marine army you can have an entire faction line of miniatures at around 12~15 USD per model not counting TAGs which you usually only use 1 of in a skirmish.
While I prefer Legion as a game, it feels more like a skirmish game when compared to 40k in scale. Personally, my favorite game is X-Wing which is easily the cheapest game I know of. $80 and your practically at a full size list for some factions. But the game is sadly pretty much dead now.
@Wargamerofalltrades To be fair, I can't speak for 40k in its current 10th edition fully. I played back in 6th and 7th edition. Back then the price ran me away and I dropped it. Ive played roughly 7 different miniature games throughout those years though. Some I've only dabbled in and other I got into. Legion is easily one of my favorite ground based miniature games. While I do love SW, the rule set is solid and feels a lot more modern than 40k. It's highlight feature for me is the token activation system which makes the game feel very fluid. With that said, 800pts of Legion still feels smaller to me than 800pts of 40k. A skirmish game of 40k feels much closer to 800pts of Legion to me than a 2000pt game of 40k. With that said, I think the skirmish scale plays a LOT better as a game. The smaller scale makes the units matter a lot more and you can remove redundant troops. In Legion, you can bring a single anti-vehicle Squadron onto the table and be fine for most match-ups. In 40k, I was brining a lot more than that simple because the enemy just had a lot more tanks. Not to mention you can lose those squads before they even fire. Granted, that wasn't as common a complaint back in 6th edition as it appears to be now.
I'd like to mention Turnip28 which can be very cheap as it is very kitbash friendly and while there are official models (finura miniature sells printed minis and the game's creator has STLs available) you can just buy a box of Napoleonic infantry and a box of medieval minis from Perry Miniatures plus some green stuff and have enough to make models for two players... or use whatever you've got on hand really.
Was surprised you didn't put in OPR, considering you can buy an entire army for 70-100, both printed or STLs if you have your own printer. That's all the units for the complete armies. And then it gets even cheaper if you do have your own printer and you sign up for their $10 Patreon as they give you a discount.
@@Wargamerofalltrades yea they print through MMFs printing company called Only-Games, if you're apart of the Patreon you can get an additional 5%-10%, now granted the Patreon is another monthly fee which can be a turn off, but the idea is 1. You get all the rules for free ( advanced rules) and through drivethrurpgs as well ( they'll always be updated if you have the apps on PC/Phones) 2. You get a massive discount for the STLs or up to 10% for the physical miniatures. Cost wise you're looking at $99 ( before discounts) for an Army ranging in size from 29-39 models. Individual units can range from $6-$97( yes $97 for a single unit-But this guy is huge!) It's completely understandable why OPR in general has been slept on, honestly I didn't think much of it back in 2015, but it has truly grown into something so amazing. Not to mention, if you do have a printer the starter set to play the game is free. You get two armies, the rules needed and that's it. If not you can cheaply build an army out, cheaper than most games. Amazing video either man! Keep it up man
You can buy 2 full factions in 3 or even 4 games for the price of a single 40k army, enough to start your own gaming club even if nobody local currently plays the systems. Add in some smaller skirmish games and you could have a thriving weekly community rather then trying to find an opponent with the spare 4 hours that matches your spare 4 hours for a single game of 40k every now and then.
@@Wargamerofalltrades That's my eventual plan, I'm working 2 jobs at the moment so very little time for gaming. I'm playing 5 parsecs from home solo with 15mm models. Rules, close to 20 gangs between 8 & 15 models each, a bunch of scenery and all for less than £150. When I have more time I've got enough stuff for half a dozen skirmish games going at a time!
The best use of your gaming dollars and attention are games you can get to the table or otherwise enjoy. The worst use of limited gaming dollars and time is a game you don't enjoy or enjoy playing because of the rules, lore, or other players in your area
OPR is my system of choice but i wanted to see cheap places for plastic miniatures sonce resign ones are less durable, your vides is just what i needed!
You left out One Page Rules. They offer an alternative to WH40K and AoS, and they have now their own minitures. You can either buy stl-s for 3d printing, or you can buy the printed minis as well. Of course it is cheaper then GW. Also the basic rules are free, and since I bought the "full" game system I can say they are just additional rules, and not necessary for an enjoyable game.
I can attest to bolt action. I did a near full competitive sized game. We learned and played a game and finished it in under 2 hours. So much better than 40ks 4-5 hour games when trying to learn their rules
@@Wargamerofalltrades and that’s the thing. I dreaded 40k turns where I couldn’t do anything. The dice bag activation system just blew my mind with the difference in interactive play. On top of that they’re awesome with their customer service. Helped and knew their info about their products unlike GW customer service. Warlord even sent a sprue of 5 free infantry with their bases and upgrades with my most recent order. The reason this was impressive was I only ordered 2 howitzers and some dice. But they payed enough attention to send me the correct French faction infantry sprue as a free bonus. They earned my support that day.
You forgot about Malifaux, where you can get a playable crew for $80 (including a purchase of a deck) and about $120 to $180 if you buy a complete keyword which will give your list a ton of variety
Conquest is a different scale. It's not a perfect comparison due to this. Unfortunately, I don't think the larger model size does anything for the game beyond inflating the prices.
Any of the rampant games there miniatures agnostic which means just find cheap miniatures OPR for the same reason oathmark also miniatures agnostic and they dedicated miniatures are well priced
Back in the Prime era through MKII Warmachine really had lightning in a bottle. You could get a starter set for $50 or so and play happily for a long, long time. By the time MKIII arrived the wheels were starting to come off in the rules, in the community, and corporately. Sad to see. It was a really great game in its heyday.
7:10 Play Kings of War and you want to throw your GW stuff into the bin. That game is so good that even Warhammer 40k and Warhammer fantasy in their prime editions (3rd/4th for 40k and 6th for fantasy) are absolute garbage compared to it.
Another thing to note about the Battletech choice is that by buying both of the starter boxes, you now have two formats to play with. To put it in perspective, that's like being able to buy into both AoS AND Warcry; two distinct gameplay formats in the same setting for an immense fraction of the cost that you could even splurge on a half dozen Clan force packs and still not exceed the cost that GW demands of you to be able to play.
Heck, for the same price as that start collecting/combat patrol combo, you could buy Alpha Stike, A Game of Armored Combat, the Clan Invasion expansion, and both Comstar force packs. That's a full Binary (10 clan mechs), a full Company (12 Inner Sphere mechs + auxiliaries), and a pair of Level IIs (12 Inner Sphere mechs). That's three fully functional "armies" to play with in Alpha Strike and definitely more mechs you could ever need in Classic BT. All fully cross compatible and interchangeable to boot.
Two formats of play and multiple scales to play in, that's where the real value comes from Battletech.
That lance of minis you get to play 4 Mechs can be turned into a company because 1 Mech represents 4-6 units in Battleforce.
Thus the 4 minis now are 16 units on the field or even more if you go into Strategic Battleforce rules.
All the while, the stats from Battleforce are just the ones from Alpha Strike. All from the rules of one book, boom you are off and ready to play entire literal armies now.
Might I recommend Gaslands, the game itself consists solely of a $30 book and either raiding your kids hot wheels collection or running to the dollar store and picking out a handful there. All told you can have a competitive team for less thank $5 plus any time and effort you put into painting / weathering the cars to look more Mad Max-ish.
Gaslands is amazing! I have only played it once, and it will definitely be mentioned in later videos
I was gonna comment about Gaslands lmao
Great little game, but I would call it a skirmish game given forces are a half dozen models or less.
Skirmish game though.
A good use for those Warhammer 40k models. One Page Rules: Grimdark Future. Excellent rules
Yes they are! I still have my Necrons and Space Marines for that reason, I haven't played them yet but I have read the rules and they are fantastic
@@Wargamerofalltrades give it a go. I'm sure you'll love it.
@@Wargamerofalltrades I can´t understand why OPR didn´t even make it into the video.
I can answer that, when I checked the website for this video all I saw was the start here patreon with STLs, so I did not know they sold pre-printed minis.
Came here to find out why the most obvious choice OPR is not here.
3d printing is the future of wargaming. I'll bet a dollar on it!
Lord of the rings by GW is probably their cheapest & best gaming set that isn't skirmish.
You should add books to the prices. GW goes even higher after that.
I excluded the books purely because wahapedia exists
You could put together a 2 player starter set for most of these games for what the rules and codices would cost for 40k 🤣
I thought the same... Until I realised the prices are so high just for the plastic crack, that including the books as WELL is almost redundant, except when you consider some of my favourite games let you download the rules for free.
Mantic's rules are free on their app, including army lists
Glad to see Mantic getting a bit of appreciation. Their Starter Boxes are superb value. But where Mantic really excel is the gameplay. KoW and Firefight are great games. But if you want to dip your toe in the Warpath universe I would highly recommend a Deadzone Starter Box. There are two on offer for 3rd edition - the only difference being the starter factions each contains. Coming from the world of GW I think it will melt your brain what you get for your money. And how much fun the game is.
Fair enough! After making this video they are on my radar now
I love Mantic Games. Especially the Trident Realm of Neritica. The models look so great.
Warmachine 4th edition is doing real good compaired to where 3rd was at.
A lot of players who quit at the thread of 3rd have come back.
That's great! I didn't even realize people had left, I'll have to look at it's history
Does Protectorate of Menoth exist in the game now??
@jimmyjimmy7923 all of the Armies still exist.
Battletech may be a scrimmage game, but it has deep rules for Combined Arms if you want it. It also has an unofficial Tabletop Simulator (megamek) that could do all the math for you.
Mantic Firefight is a fantastic game, as is Kings of War! Highly recommended
ASOIAF (game of thrones) is also quite cheap with very streamlined rules. A faction starter box is about 100€ which gives you ~ 30 points (standard competition list is 40pts). Each starter comes with the rule book, faction specific dices, standard terrain, movement trays, cards, …
How does it play out of curiosity? I've heard of the game but no one I know plays it
Lets not forget the army building app that you can keep track of your collection, lists, and updates to have the up to date stats on units and game modes
@@Wargamerofalltrades It is excellent - alternating activation system + rank and flank makes maneuvering key + non-combat tactics board and tactics cards add a ton of strategic depth. Check out Hits and Crits, Yecats, or my own channel for ASOIAF miniatures content.
And you dont even need that. You can print everything on cardbord. Only thing you need is a cople of d12's and d6's to play the came
@@Wargamerofalltrades it plays quite nicely. Compared to 40k/AOS, I feel it’s way simpler while adding back some complexity that « makes sense ».
For example, units are on standard tray (4x3 for infantry, 2x2 for cavalry) so they are easy to move and line of sight is dead simple (there are sight markers on the tray).
But you have bonus when charging/shooting the side/back. And you have two movement type (one short which allow to turn before moving and one long that make you got straight). So positioning is extra important, and flanking someone is very rewarding.
Unit characteristics are also based on the number of remaining ranks (not the exact number of remaining minis). When you still have three ranks you hit with X dice, two ranks Y dice, …
This seems simple, but it gives the designer a way to give some flavor to some unit without relying on custom rules.
For example, most units becomes less powerful as they loose rank. But some elite ones will stay as strong. Some can even become stronger (like barbarians be coming crazy when they loose friends).
You have no idea how important this video is, this video needs to be seen by more aspiring wargaming aspirants.
I am happy you enjoyed it! I like putting the spotlight on lesser known games, and it looks like this time CZcams decided to show it to so many more people then normal, so I am pretty happy with the reach it has gotten!
Star wars legion used to be so cheap. In 2020, expansions at my flgs were $20, characters were 12, and big vehicles were $47. Core sets were $80 and occasionally had sales for $68. Asoiaf is amazing because there is ZERO assembly required and you can get an army with everything you need for $100. Also mesbg CAN be amazingly cheap for being a GW game
It still is super cheap even after the prices went up, which I am super thankful for.
GW raises prices …. Must be Wednesday
Yep, it's getting to common for my taste
You mean must be a day that ends in y
I am glad to see Kings of War and Firefight making the list. They are both really great games. For Kings of War, the multi basing and model agnostic really allows freedom in your army to get the look you want. Firefight however is my new love. I have picked up a box for each faction which still costs less than my Tau army I had for 40k. The older models are not that great but the new ones have come a long way and are really affordable.
Another thing to mention about Mantic is the Mantic Vault. Every month they release more STL files you can get and print for their games. Mantic Armada (think GW Man O War) is pretty fun and most the ships are available in the vault. The vault also contains quite a few upgrade components for models so you don't have to shell out $$ to get resin upgrade kits. You can now just print your own.
This along with the companion app they have for their games makes list building easy as well as looking up rules during a game.
the Best wargame in my humble opinion, not only cost wise, but also as an introductory system for beginners, is SAGA, with victrix models. Armies tend to be 40 models per side and there are several "universe books" depending on your taste, be it fantasy or historical.
If you want Vikings? Victrix sells a bundle of 60 models for 46 USD, Greeks? 48 models for 44 USD, Romans? 60 models for 36 USD!!!
if you want to turn it into a fantasy army, just add a monster or something unique to it. I bought a plastic Dinosaur toy and painted it up for the fantasy side.
And Victrix has better minis than GW
And that new Roman ballista from victrix looks so good
Conquest is a great game. I have been playing it for nearly 3 years and still habing a wonderful time. The models and experience is just fanastic.
What I love about conquest is that the two player starter box is exactly that. You even get two rule books. They have not stopped trying to make the models better and better.
it is bizarre how Infinity is NEVER on these kinds of list.
Infinity is on my radar, but it will be on my skirmish wargame list. I wanted to focus on more traditional wargames in this video
@@Wargamerofalltrades I think this is a bad idea as all these games exist in the same eco system. Some skirmish games are more expensive than tradition wargames but they emphasize on the experience over tons of model, which is the base reason we play the games.
I mean, I understand but skirmish wargames fit a very different niche, and will be getting a video to themselves.
Agreed. Infinity is far and away the most underrated wargame… which is hilarious because the community and company make it seem like the most happenin game always!
The problem is getting others to play anything other than 40k...
That's one thing I've never had trouble with thankfully
Spend a bit of money on getting the rules & some starter models and I find most people are willing to at least give a new game a try.
you'd be surprised what having two sides of a game to demo will do for a community. And with cheaper prices you can do it! Then when they are enjoying the game AND having fun, hit 'em with the cost difference.
You'd be surprised how easy it is to get people interested. I've done this with Parabellum's Conquest at my FLGS, there is a community formed already in store and a wider community growing in my city! :-)
@@wurzella1 Aye but you need to have an opponent with their own team. It's not like a board game where they pick one of the Monopoly / HeroQuest pieces. Or even a skirmish game where they could play your spare team or proxy one to their liking with a few models. A wargame needs an opposing _army,_ hopefully one that has been thought-out by a dedicated player of another faction. Its a big barrier to entry.
@@darthkek1953 that's what I meant, buy a couple of teams so that there's models available for other people to try the game out. If the rules are fun & the teams not too expensive there's a decent chance you'll get some others buying in once they've played & enjoyed themselves. If we want people to open themselves up to more of the gaming world than just GW we need to be the change we want to see 🤣
Oathmark. Love the plastics and how the regiments look on the table.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Mantic Games has nice Models yep, i have some, Kings of War is a typical Rank and Flank wargame that is pretty cheap compared to Others cuz you dont use individual Models in Regiments, that gives you the Options to use less Minis in a Regiment and build Diorama bases, Mantic Games also allows third Party Minis in Tournaments, what i Like about Kings of War is that i can Play an Undead Army With a Necromancer General as a good Guy 😋 If i want. It also have different Starter Boxes.
I was in my FLGS yesterday. I got into Star Wars Legion last year. I keep looking at 40K, it’s just insane. I don’t see how they can justify this other than just greed.
I started with 40k, and I regret it now. I have sold most of my models and keep the sentimental ones, and mainly play AOS and Legion now
@@Wargamerofalltrades AoS is just as overpriced and imbalanced as 40k. GW is a terrible company.
To each there own, AOS 3rd edition has been surprisingly fun to play, and 4.0 looks to be a breathe of fresh air.
I also love Old World so I can finally find people to play against my Tomb Kings.
Games Workshop is a terrible company, and I won't argue that, but I do feel like AOS is the most solid game they offer right now. It is slightly cheaper as well in most cases due to lower model count armies, especially with 10th edition 40k. That being said it is still stupid expensive
@@Wargamerofalltrades “They” in this context is Games Workshop and their greediness :) Definitely not throwing shade at players! I’d play AoS if it wasn’t for my Legion pile of shame :)
Even being new to wargaming myself the idea of “pricing by power” that 40k does seems ludicrous to me.
Star Wars Legion is cheap and the nice thing is I won't half my expensive models removed before I get a turn.
The Ganeswork option that can be considered is GMs Battle for Middle Earth.
I have not been able to play Battle For Middle Earth, and that just makes me sad
The LotR game is easily my favorite GW game.
standard battletech is a true war game. having combined arms consisting of infantry all the way to space war ships and everything you can imagine in between.
as far as army size, you can have a squad of basic soldiers (7 troops) to company's (minimum 12 units) to battalions (minimum 36 units) to Regiments, Divisions, Corp or Army. the scaling is up to the players - and not based on points, but organizational title.
as far as cost and value, 'a game of armored combat' is $60usc and gets you effectively playing for as long as you want.
since the game is miniatures agnostic, you never really need to buy anything more.
Great video given exposure to other war games but I think Battletech should have been #1. You can get away with just buying the Alpha Strike box and the kicker, you don’t have to assemble anything!
The main reason alpha strike got combined was the recommended game size being 250 points, and If I did math right the box comes under that.
One thing about Warmachine is of course also that in many ways price comparisons are difficult. First, if you want to play tournament games, you usually get to bring two lists, each led by a different warcasters and choose which to play after looking at your opponent's lists. This means that a "true" tournament army can bigger than you'd think - although you can easily build two 75pts lists from the core box plus the expansion. You can probably build two lists from the core box + a cadre box, or an expansion box, a cadre box and an additional, separately bought warjack or warbeast if there isn't one in cadre box.
However, the game is also very modular. You keep swapping out warjacks, warcasters, units and solos when building different lists. So Warmachine more encourages you to buy a toolbox for building army lists than a single army. Even more so, with the core warjacks/warbeasts being modular - a core box typically has two warjacks/warbeasts, each with 4 different interchangeable right/left arms and heads each.
I haven't jumped on MKIV yet, but the lists look easy to manipulate a bit out of box as they include different arms AND the magnets to make switches work with models already designed for the magnets! I played up to 2nd edition and it was a fun game! Not sure about the changes to MKIV, but if it wasn't for the cost I'd have done it already...maybe I should go proxy some old models and give it a go....
Warmachine is a great game! You get a lot of variability with the starter and expansion. Each army is led by a leader "think your king in chess but as powerful as the queen" you get two of these with that set up. You also get two warjacks. Each has magnetic arms and heads so you can change what weapons they have to fulfill different roles.
So you can adjust and change your army list without buying more things, but then that option is there as well
Another Warlord game, that probably qualifies as skirmish, Blood Red Skies is one of my favorite wargames that is dead simple to learn. It's WWII airplanes that you can get into with a single squadron box of planes for $25-$40. That includes almost everything you need to play, minus dice and the rulebook.
MK2 Warmachine/Hordes was peak. A Warcaster, a couple of Warjacks and a couple of units, maybe a Solo and you were good to go.
Agree. Was so much fun, looking a community who still plays 2. ed.
It’s funny I kind of fell into Battletech and Bolt Action, partly thanks to GW. I bought some Star Wars Legion models for the simple fact that they were so cheap and I could get some of my favorite characters. Thanks to some sales on Amazon I now have plenty of models and I’ll be getting into that game as well.
Great video and appreciate all the research.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
you can play a complete game of Alpha Strike and Battletech with just the main box though? The alpha strike is literally 2 lances vs a star, classic full size engagement right there
I personally think Alpha strike is best played with even more mechs, and see the starter set as that. Either way, it is one of the cheapest wargames right now
Eyyy, great to Warmachine on the list! :)
the starter set is 200 usd lol
I'm happy you enjoyed seeing it! It is surprisingly cheap for a wargame in this day and age, so I was pleasantly surprised when researching it
@@telleryoutube4458 Point being? That Starter set gets you a fully playable army, not 75 points but 50 IIRC. That would be equivilant of getting a roughly 1250 point 40k army, and that will cost you a LOT more than 200 USD.
@@memnarch129 There are far cheaper games to get into with better customer support?
When I started, I built a 2.5K points Space Wolves army for $300. That was... long ago.
My god, you must be a Greybeard veteran like myself 🤣🤣
And best of it, you stil can play them. I have warhammer models, longer as most games on the marked now.
@@christianvandenboorn6001 I threw them away about 10 years ago, after giving up on the hobby. Just last year, I got started again... And now, I regret that decision due to the very expensive cost of models, lack of model selection for some armies, and imbalance in armies. The latter was there back then, but still.... you'd think they would have fixed it by now. The latest edition was supposed to do that..HA!
Get a nice miniature agnostic rulebook (I recommend Lion/Dragon/Xenos Rampant, around $25.00), and some 1/72 scale miniatures and models. Italeri has some wonderful infantry minis that go for around $15.00 for a box of 40!
Gaslands?
Gaslands is great, I have it on my list for the Skirmish Wargame video
just got into battletech a few weeks ago with the GOAC and Alpha strike box sets so far great rules the last time I played was the late 80's rules have barely changed over the years but the mech's are now plastic and look like the illustrations from back then hope to try new game in a few weeks with friends there all painted and ready to go :)
Another good cheap wargame on the skirmish side of things is fallout wasteland warfare all you need is the core box for a faction,the core game box( because costume dice and rules like legion) then they have a “free” army building if you’re ok with using a note pad
That will be included in my skirmish wargame video, but I did feel skirmish games have an unfair advantage
@@Wargamerofalltrades they do
I gave up 40K and W/H years ago and at a time when the game wasn't too bad either (5th ed 40K). I'm currently enjoying Bolt Action quite a lot (I love WW2 anyway). Bolt Action is easy and not too expensive, get a 2 player starter and then a starter army, that matches one in the 2 player starter and you've got a playable army with a few options on how to field it in a standard size game. You missed the Flames of War family of games and their offshoots. Flames of War is WW2 in 15mm and instead of a platoon size game, like Bolt Action, it's a company size game, where you can easily have 10-20 tanks, plus supporting units. The offshoots include Team Yankee, which is 80-90's era Flames of War, plus 'Nam and Fate of a Nations in the 60/70's. There's also the newer games Clash of Steel (Flames of War based rules, for just tanks and easier to play) and World of Tanks (more of a skirmish game). A lot of the models can be used across the systems which helps cut down the price of getting armies for the different versions of the games. You can easily buy a starter army and a few complimentary units to go with it and have a playable force for not a huge amount, relatively. Lastly for Rank and File games, thee's Hail Caesar from Warlord games. I've picked up a couple of thier starter armies (Roman and Greek) for under £60, so it's possible to get a lot of troops, for not much money. If you don't like how the game plays, there are many other 'ancients' rule sets that you could just buy a rulebook for and use the Hail Caesar models. There's also loads of companies, like Victrix who also do 28mm 'ancients' figures, so you can pick and choose your models, you're not limited to models by one company (like GW stuff)
Just jumped into Flames of War. 15mm WW2. Got a full 100 point army for just touching 100 GBP. Be careful with SW Legion - it quickly becomes a money sinkhole.
Warmachine was a lot bigger 10 years ago. It's on the smaller side of Army combat, mainly because the main units are not the blocks of troops, but the magical mecha the game is named after. Fun game and game setting though.
Historicals (from Warlord and other manufacturers too) tend to be pretty affordable. Since the minis are not based on a particular IP you can choose between many manufacturers and they can easily be reused for a variety of rule sets. If there's a period that interests you, give it a go!
I still think classic battletech beats legion, not only because you can buy a box of 4 mechs for a lance, but you can use anything as a mech, unlike with gw where you have to use the models they sell you.
Flames of War is great too. Many starter sets routinely on sale for 50$ on Amazon/eBay… can pick up two of those for a large force or buy an army in a box for 100.
I mention it in my follow up video to this, and I own flames of war and used this exact method!
The dropzone commander star is pretty cool and can be found cheap. Two armies, paper battlemat and cardboard terrain. But 10mm minis, so lot for those who dont want to change scale, love the game though.
The last edition of Warmachine is just flat out amazing, and the new models are really good. The model with a fairly expensive but very modular Core army set is getting supplemented by what they're calling a Command Starter soon, which means the buy-in will be less steep than the core army.
I honestly didn't even know Warmachine was still going!
I played so much during Mk2, the game completely crushed 40k locally.
Then Mk3 came out and it felt like the whole community died overnight, I sold my armies online after my local scene vanished
@@maevethefox5912 The new edition is doing very well. We're introducing a bunch of new people to the game locally and they're loving it. Feels like early Mk2 again, in many ways.
Mantic is, like all British minis companies, made up of former GW employees at every level. Their main rules designer is Alessio Cavatore, who was a main designer for Warhammer, Warhammer 40k, Blood Bowl, Mordheim, Bolt Action, and Lord of the Rings.
Just as another system set of rules, I would look at Xenos Rampant. It doesn't have its own minis line, but is a system for smaller battles from Osprey. I mostly just use my old 40k and Warzone forces in it.
Xenon rampant and the rampant games did get a shutout in my newest video, really happy so many people have pointed out amazing games!
Good summary, same journey but different timeline. GW 40K minis now relegated to OPR armines - Mantic Deadzone and Firefight are so much cheaper and easier to play and without the toxic GW community idiots. Can also use Mantic mini in OPR so win, win, and again win. 3D printed armies from OPR are very good also.
Great video, the gaming community needs more of this... the masses need to know 40k isn't the only option! You can't argue the quality of their minis which are sensational, but their extortionate prices, suspect business model and incompetent rules writing is too much for many savvy wargamers these days.
Mantic I love. Their models are getting better which is great to see, but the rules are just spot on. Simply, easy to learn but tactically in-depth is what you get from Firefight, Kings of War and Deadzone.
While I love Age of Sigmar/Old World, mainly due to the friends who play them, I do have to say GW hasn't been my favorite for a long time.
Also the pain of making these videos and now realizing I want to try everything I have mentioned still hurts my wallet
@@Wargamerofalltrades Old World is very nostalgic for me and so I'm trying to get back into it, I desperately want it to be good. Trying to navigate the rulebook though was a reminder of how, whilst being lightyears ahead of most with their models, GW are still very much trailing behind when it comes to actual rules writing. Still, it's mainly about who you play with rather than what you're playing, and the main issue with any of these other games you've talked about is finding anyone who is actually willing to give them a go.
I have been lucky with a really open minded local gaming group and friend circle, and most of the games are cheap enough that buying two factions doesn't break the bank,
But I do get it, it is harder to convince most people to try these smaller games
Price of books and necessary accesories are important as well. Take bolt action as an example - there you need order dice, armies of book and the core rulebook as well 😊
Out of fairness I did not include the extras for anyone, but I will include them in the next video
Mantic is my jam Kings of war is the game I wish fantasy had been.
I used to play gamesworkshop LotR. It was expensive back in the day, and its even more insane now.
Started with Legion and never looked back. Super good community!
I love the legion community! It's a ton of fun to be a part of
What about historicals like DBA where I can make an army for around £30?
Other comments have mentioned it, but that's a game I didn't know existed. At this point I'll be making a follow up
Grey Knights can still be played with three Ckmbat Patrols, I think.
Yeah, it’s $480 and you can max it out at 2025 points
While that is true, it is still an outlier in GW armies, good to know though
I bought a varied army of each major faction in legion. It cost me less than my 2k point 40k Army
I remember when my 1500 point chaos army (IIRC it was 4 squads of marines in rhinos, 2 vindicators, a chaos lord and sorceror, and a defiler) during 5th edition cost me like £300, prices are insane now.
Epic scale games are normally way cheaper. You can play a game like Argatoria (10mm fantasy rank and file) for well under 100 bucks
I have never heard of that game before, thanks for putting it on my radar!
Would Argatoria play well in 6mm? A 6mm, fantasy rank and flank is on my to do list for future projects, haven't looked into rules for it yet though.
I think so, sure.
I bought some 6 mm armies off of Etsy to play one page rules, it worked really well rules wise. But the miniatures had some issues. So many feet broke off while trying to clip the supports. At that size you can easily hide it in grass, but after that experience I decided to not really do 6 mm anymore. Not with infantry anyway.
@@micahhundley26 try 6mm builds again. but try a sharp knife instead of clippers!
@@bradpasmeny1715 yeah I switched to a knife after breaking a few.
For the cheapest wargame in the world, look at anything historical in 20mm or 1/72 scale. You can get HO scale model railroad buildings cheap for terrain. Also you can get the figures and vehicles depending on the era for less than $20 each in most cases. For under $60 you can have everything you need for a good historical wargame in whatever era you really like. Many older rulesets are also available online for free.
I mentioned a few of these game types in my follow up video
Cool vid bro, thanks !
Glad you liked it!
Very happy to see Star Wars Legion at the top, it is indeed a fantastic game!
Couldn't agree more!
I'm currently looking at a WWII French Colonial platoon with options (AT gun, 60mm mortar 2 HMG), all in metal - $143 USD
It would be a bit lower without the Senegalese head swaps for the support weapons.
Bolt Action is a great WWII game as well but the real advantage is that you can re-use your figures and vehicles with other rules sets. No one owns the IP for a Panther and your Shermans are never going to be retconned out of your list. I prefer Chain of Command rules wise but there are many more out there and for many different periods.
Now a caveat, if you get into 28mm Napoleonic mass battles - your wallet will take a big hit and you probably won't ever finish painting all your figures. ;)
Yep, I really like all the options for the scale, you don't need to buy from Warlord. However I haven't found a game in that scale I enjoy more then Bolt Action
Vs GW you can play several games with cool miniatures.
What about Malifaux? It is cheap
Malifaux is a skirmish wargame, hence not being included
Something to add for warmachine mk4, 75 is actually American tournament size. the recommended starter casual play is 50 pts and that's what the 200$ USD starter boxes give you.
Edit, Warmachine IP got purchased by Steamforged games so who knows how it will be now.
Good to know, so it is a bit more reasonable to get into it then!
@@Wargamerofalltrades it was, i recently switched to it with GW just not being very consumer friendly. that an being mad that they Axed Beasts of chaos.
But it just got announced that steamforged now owns Warmachine instead of privateer so who knows how that will effect pricing.
@@Dntbehasty I didn't expect the video to get outdated this quickly, I'll have to look into it
This why I started buying Legion instead of Warhammer, I love Warhammer, but I builded an army with what a combat patrol cost (was on sale on may the 4th, but still)
Yeah, that's the same reason I got into legion a few years back. Happy you joined the fold!
40k would be fine if they didn't keep removing minis and changing unit composition and forcing you to be on a constant race of spending money to have a fieldable legal army.
I agree, it's one of the
Any issues it has
One page rules is the future
What's the terrain in the opening
The terrain is the shadowfey ruins from Printed Scenery
ty @@Wargamerofalltrades
A Song of Ice and Fire should be metioned(CMON sells Starter for 100€ including Usable Terrain and House coloured Dices) in one Box you habe prebuilt models, Rules, Cards and all stuff ro get started.
And do not to forget the Price Tag on the GW Rules(if competetive)
It is mentioned in my follow up actually, I really enjoyed learning about the game!
Really surprised TTCombat Dropzone/DropFleet commander is not on this list. 2 player starter set goes for $100
Though. I havent looked at the game in ages because i could never find anyone who was interested enough to get into it, seems like the places to buy this are extremely limited. Not even amazon offers minis anymore.
Look at Infinity the Game by Corvus Belli. 15 models + terrain = around 350; however, for around the same price of a Space Marine army you can have an entire faction line of miniatures at around 12~15 USD per model not counting TAGs which you usually only use 1 of in a skirmish.
Infinity is great, but it is a self described skirmish game so it will be in another video
@@Wargamerofalltrades Aye, fair enough
While I prefer Legion as a game, it feels more like a skirmish game when compared to 40k in scale.
Personally, my favorite game is X-Wing which is easily the cheapest game I know of. $80 and your practically at a full size list for some factions. But the game is sadly pretty much dead now.
Legion has its own skirmish ruleset that's pretty neat, but 40K has also become very bloated in recent years IMO
@Wargamerofalltrades To be fair, I can't speak for 40k in its current 10th edition fully. I played back in 6th and 7th edition. Back then the price ran me away and I dropped it. Ive played roughly 7 different miniature games throughout those years though. Some I've only dabbled in and other I got into.
Legion is easily one of my favorite ground based miniature games. While I do love SW, the rule set is solid and feels a lot more modern than 40k. It's highlight feature for me is the token activation system which makes the game feel very fluid.
With that said, 800pts of Legion still feels smaller to me than 800pts of 40k. A skirmish game of 40k feels much closer to 800pts of Legion to me than a 2000pt game of 40k. With that said, I think the skirmish scale plays a LOT better as a game.
The smaller scale makes the units matter a lot more and you can remove redundant troops. In Legion, you can bring a single anti-vehicle Squadron onto the table and be fine for most match-ups. In 40k, I was brining a lot more than that simple because the enemy just had a lot more tanks. Not to mention you can lose those squads before they even fire. Granted, that wasn't as common a complaint back in 6th edition as it appears to be now.
I'd think Mantic is best and the least expensive with Firefight for the massive battles or the skirmish version, Deadzone.
GW are just greedy a-holes
I'd like to mention Turnip28 which can be very cheap as it is very kitbash friendly and while there are official models (finura miniature sells printed minis and the game's creator has STLs available) you can just buy a box of Napoleonic infantry and a box of medieval minis from Perry Miniatures plus some green stuff and have enough to make models for two players... or use whatever you've got on hand really.
That is another new thing to add onto my list
Was surprised you didn't put in OPR, considering you can buy an entire army for 70-100, both printed or STLs if you have your own printer.
That's all the units for the complete armies.
And then it gets even cheaper if you do have your own printer and you sign up for their $10 Patreon as they give you a discount.
When I looked all I saw was STLs, so I guess I didn't look hard enough
@@Wargamerofalltrades yea they print through MMFs printing company called Only-Games, if you're apart of the Patreon you can get an additional 5%-10%, now granted the Patreon is another monthly fee which can be a turn off, but the idea is 1. You get all the rules for free ( advanced rules) and through drivethrurpgs as well ( they'll always be updated if you have the apps on PC/Phones)
2. You get a massive discount for the STLs or up to 10% for the physical miniatures.
Cost wise you're looking at $99 ( before discounts) for an Army ranging in size from 29-39 models.
Individual units can range from $6-$97( yes $97 for a single unit-But this guy is huge!)
It's completely understandable why OPR in general has been slept on, honestly I didn't think much of it back in 2015, but it has truly grown into something so amazing.
Not to mention, if you do have a printer the starter set to play the game is free. You get two armies, the rules needed and that's it.
If not you can cheaply build an army out, cheaper than most games.
Amazing video either man! Keep it up man
I really like Mantic. I’ve got some KOW Armada ships on the way. I’m super excited! I should have them in a couple of days!
Good choice! I have to do a Naval dedicated video at some point
Frostgrave & Relicblade are good & they are smaller skirmish Games especially Relicblade. New sub, your channel showed up & it's my type of interest.
Thanks for the sub!
You can buy 2 full factions in 3 or even 4 games for the price of a single 40k army, enough to start your own gaming club even if nobody local currently plays the systems. Add in some smaller skirmish games and you could have a thriving weekly community rather then trying to find an opponent with the spare 4 hours that matches your spare 4 hours for a single game of 40k every now and then.
Yep, that's how several people (including me) have started groups, and when it's not 40k it's so much better
@@Wargamerofalltrades That's my eventual plan, I'm working 2 jobs at the moment so very little time for gaming. I'm playing 5 parsecs from home solo with 15mm models. Rules, close to 20 gangs between 8 & 15 models each, a bunch of scenery and all for less than £150. When I have more time I've got enough stuff for half a dozen skirmish games going at a time!
i havent watched the video, kill team is peak and cheap
thanks for coming to my tead talk
Kill team is in my skirmish wargame video, and I tend to agree it's one of the better GW games
The best use of your gaming dollars and attention are games you can get to the table or otherwise enjoy. The worst use of limited gaming dollars and time is a game you don't enjoy or enjoy playing because of the rules, lore, or other players in your area
Agreed
OPR is my system of choice but i wanted to see cheap places for plastic miniatures sonce resign ones are less durable, your vides is just what i needed!
No Flames of War?
It’s super popular, well established and supported.
It's in my follow up video m, I really like the game!
@@Wargamerofalltrades yeah, I saw it.
Sleeping on FreeBlades. I paid $70 for a top tier army.
That's another new wargame to add to my list
You left out One Page Rules. They offer an alternative to WH40K and AoS, and they have now their own minitures. You can either buy stl-s for 3d printing, or you can buy the printed minis as well. Of course it is cheaper then GW. Also the basic rules are free, and since I bought the "full" game system I can say they are just additional rules, and not necessary for an enjoyable game.
One page rules are mentioned in my follow up video, they weren't mentioned here due to a simple oversight on my end
What happened to number 3?
An error on my part lol
3d printing has pretty much meant I just buy rulebooks.
I can attest to bolt action. I did a near full competitive sized game. We learned and played a game and finished it in under 2 hours. So much better than 40ks 4-5 hour games when trying to learn their rules
Bolt action is a favorite system of mine, and I love it's activation system! I can get a full game in in under 2 hours easy, and it always feels nice
@@Wargamerofalltrades and that’s the thing. I dreaded 40k turns where I couldn’t do anything. The dice bag activation system just blew my mind with the difference in interactive play.
On top of that they’re awesome with their customer service. Helped and knew their info about their products unlike GW customer service.
Warlord even sent a sprue of 5 free infantry with their bases and upgrades with my most recent order.
The reason this was impressive was I only ordered 2 howitzers and some dice. But they payed enough attention to send me the correct French faction infantry sprue as a free bonus. They earned my support that day.
cheapest one: one page rule
Yes but that requires 3d printing, something that is best highlighted on it's own.
You forgot about Malifaux, where you can get a playable crew for $80 (including a purchase of a deck) and about $120 to $180 if you buy a complete keyword which will give your list a ton of variety
Malifaux is a skirmish wargame, and will definitely be on my list when I make that video. But for this I wanted to focus on larger scale wargames
What about Star Wars X-Wing and Armada?
They are in a weird spot for me, Armada sadly appears to be a dead game, and X Wing feels more like a skirmish game
What is number 3?
An error on my part, apparently I can't count
Conquest is a different scale. It's not a perfect comparison due to this. Unfortunately, I don't think the larger model size does anything for the game beyond inflating the prices.
I actually like the different size, and I do disagree, it is still a valid comparison as the scale does not change that much
There is no #3 in the list ? 😅
I can't believe I counted wrong.... Lol no video is perfect but I'm a little embarrassed
Any of the rampant games there miniatures agnostic which means just find cheap miniatures OPR for the same reason oathmark also miniatures agnostic and they dedicated miniatures are well priced
The prices are what made me stop middle earth sbg. It's sad to be priced out of such an awesome game. However I do enjoy some sw legion
Probably the cheapest is The 9th Age, cost how much you want to invest...
OnePageRule
Onepagerule is fantastic! But they are more 3d printer focused
Back in the Prime era through MKII Warmachine really had lightning in a bottle. You could get a starter set for $50 or so and play happily for a long, long time. By the time MKIII arrived the wheels were starting to come off in the rules, in the community, and corporately. Sad to see. It was a really great game in its heyday.
Lord help your wallet if you play Tyranids or Astra Militarum
As an Astra Militarum enjoyer... I feel the pain
3d printer goes brrrrrrr
7:10 Play Kings of War and you want to throw your GW stuff into the bin. That game is so good that even Warhammer 40k and Warhammer fantasy in their prime editions (3rd/4th for 40k and 6th for fantasy) are absolute garbage compared to it.
After so many of these comments I'm going to have to try the game