Episode 2 - "Infected” | The Last of Us Podcast | Max
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- Host Troy Baker talks with Executive Producers Craig Mazin and Neil Druckmann who reveal that Episode 2 of the series is about the Infected. They discuss why it was important for the actors (namely Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey) to not play the video game and they share a key scene from Tess’s backstory that was written but never shot. HBO’s The Last of Us podcast is produced by HBO and Pineapple Street Studios.
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Running frantically from clickers, missing easy headshots. How did this episode copy my gameplay so perfectly?
Was thinking that same thing!
Only difference is I wasn't able to hold off a clicker when I was grabbed, unless I had a shiv 🤣
I kept thinking, “craft a damn shiv!”
I’m spamming “Restart Encounter” on TLoU 2 Grounded+ atm 💀
Tbh shooting an erratically moving target is hard enough on it's own, let alone when your adrenaline is through the roof because you're trying to not be murdered lol
The scene with the clickers felt exactly like playing TLOU for the first time in grounded mode. Few bullets, sensitive clickers, and pure dread. I love this show so much I could cry!!!
Neil directing the episode that introduces us to the clickers was the right choice. The man snatched them from the game and put them into real life. Perfection
isn’t that the reason it’s called grounded because it’s what’d it’d actually be like
I cried.
you know damn well you aint beat grounded
@@CommanderquesoTV Nah it's doable. Very much so. It's the perma death mode in 2 that is unbeatable to me .
My favorite line in the entire episode, which was overall great: “Bomb.” The actress that portrayed the specialist, in a single word, nailed a hopelessness and a feeling of, “I can’t believe I’m saying this.”
Tess to Ellie: So do you have a mom or a dad or a boyfriend? Ellie: I'm an orphan and... NOPE. Lmao the hint that Joel won't get for years.
I loved that because I'm gay and also respond "no" with the facial expression she did everytime someone asks haha so it was realistic, bella nailed it 😂
@@kelseykramer1783 oh no I didn't even pick up on her alluding to that future character moment! guess i've gotta rewatch the episode now 🫢🏳️🌈
Ellie delivered that perfectly, love to see it :)
I wonder if her immunity could pass down through genetics and would reluctantly have some kids
@@IskateUphill Probably not. She's immune because the cordyceps mutated, but it's in her brain and not her DNA, so it theoretically wouldn't pass down through her genes.
Pedro making Troy angry by being incredible is my new favorite thing haha. Real talk tho, actors talking about specific nuances of the craft is super fun.
Anna Torv absolutely kills it this episode and I love the changes they made to the infected.
Yes! Give Ana Torv all the flowers 💐 loved her in Fringe
@@rebelbumscum A lot of us knew it was coming.. I wouldn't have minded one more episode with Tess. I love Anna Torv in Fringe also!
The only change I didn't really agree with was how they said "Why would FEDRA be looking for them?"
I mean they probably found that dead soldier and have to search who would have done it? And it would also makes sense why there were corpses when Joel, Ellie and Tess arrived at the place.
But I'm still very hyped about this show 😍
Seeing how the infection is even more dangerous than in the games, I don't think the FEDRA would find it worth it to send a whole team for just one dead. Also from their point of view, Joel Ellie and Tess are just being suicidal, and honestly they are
Good gravy that moment where Joel emotionally disconnected from Tess right before dragging Ellie out. You see his face deaden.
I didn't interpret that as disconnecting. I saw it as him accepting her wish to protect Ellie. Determined to see it through no matter what.
It was the point where he knew what he needed to do and decided nothing was going to stop him from doing it.
That was a face of pure 100% determination.
thats not what it was. they even talk about it in this video lol. The “save who you can save” line from tess was all joel needed. The line was implying that he needs to stop thinking about saving his daughter, shes dead, but ellies right there and he can save her.
Yes, and with that comes the reality that he can’t save Tess. Things can be more than one thing at the same time.
Yeah Druckmann purposely ruined that scene to further destroy Joel's character
My favorite shot was towards the end of the episode, Joel nods to Ellie to follow Tess down the ladder. And there’s a little moment where Pedro looks at his watch reminding him of Sarah . It’s a beautiful little moment of great acting.
In the game joel touches/holds the watch for a second. There r these lil character moments from the game that im watching out for and am glad they kept this one in.
I like this moment in the game, it's done far more subtly
The actress was so good as Tess I wish we could’ve seen more of her 😢
Me too; or just more of Anna Torv! 😅
Yeah she was awesome..
I feel most new people watching the show won't feel her death as much as the game fans ... because she wasn't in it that long .... but the time she was she nailed it ... and played the character really well!
Watch Fringe
@@angellover02171 and Mindhunter!
@@angellover02171 yea watch Fringe!
tess's backstory-where she had a husband and a kid who got infected and so she ended up having to kill them, only she couldn't kill her son- is just tragic on a whole nother level. 💔🥺
Do you have the time stamp where they talk about it, please?
@@koliriscaramujo 14:30
I really wish they had done the alternate Tess cold-opener instead of the Jakarta one. I didn’t find any of that scenario believable. Would’ve been nice to feel something more for Tess’ character and to play more on her hope vs Joel’s despair.
@@ricosrealm thanks!
@@201percent definitely
The actors in the start scene did a freaking awesome job, goosebumps, even tears with the last lines. The main cast was amazing too, love it.
Absolutely
The intro was insanely chilling, I wasn’t sure where it was gonna go, for a moment I thought the scientist was gonna be attacked from the infected she was examining.
The actor of the doctor is a legendary actor here in indonesia
I loveeeeee the cold opens and I hope every episode has something similar. It’s incredibly gripping stuff. The Indonesian actors were incredible.
✅️
I was so DAMNED impressed with the clickers! Neil did such a good job directing! Didn't doubt his ability for a second
They said that the clicket actors and actresses are fans of the game so they already knew the mannerism of the clickers
@@eisernfront8549 the noises they made were all the actors live performances too, I was incredibly impressed!
@@eisernfront8549 they said somewhere the same people voiced them too
I'm super impressed if they orchestrated the sounds too. At any rate the clickers were great and formidable.
I just wanna say, the opening to this episode was absolutely incredible. The severity of the situation was implied perfectly. What an awesome addition to the narrative!
It immediately hooks you. Very compelling.
I hope they keep having these cold opens to introduce new context to the world of the Last of Us.
Bomb
What a directorial debut, Neil! Bravo! Truly nailed the clickers, my God. The set was equally gorgeous 😍
It was creepy af
@@hannibalb8276 right! They sounded EXACTLY like the game. Almost like the audio was pulled straight from it. Better than I could have ever thought
@@J-Sin The actors who played the clickers did an amazing job
@@justintyler5041 for real, creature actors are the unsung heros of movies and shows like this, the movements of the infected in this show are incredibly unnerving.
@@justintyler5041 no doubt! When I learned that the actors not only were able to move and act like them, but physically sound like them... mind blown. What a labor of love this has been. I cannot wait to see Bill and how he handles that character, and the banter between him and Ellie 😆
"Bomb!" the most spinetingling scene ever
I love it when troy picks Neil's brain because he's a genius.
The "hive mind" of the fungus is so threatening. That scene where the runners are lament and suddenly spring up sent literal shivers down my spine.
Absolutely loved the tense scene with Joel reloading his revolver as calmly as he can... just like in the game... with a clicker hunting him down.
The way the clickers communicate. Goodness. Just really amazing additional detail. The death of Tess is terrifying. But if the infected can sense who's bitten, why Ellie wasn't being followed or cornered by an infected? Then it made sense to me, because the fungus didn't manifest in her body, unlike with Tess and the other infected. That's so good.
I think that the infected was the only one that heard Tess trying to flick the lighter. Made sense to me because the swarm would've been loud anyways.
Ellie isn’t infected. She was bitten, that’s all. She’s immune so there’s no network to sense.
@@beezybaby1289 Have you seen the röntgen pictures in the hospital though
I had the same thought at first, but towards the end of the podcast they mentioned that the only reason they didn't attack Tess was because she didn't fight them. Had she tried to fight to the death they would have torn her apart. Plus as you said, Ellie isn't infected, she doesn't have any of the fungi in her that would allow for her to communicate with the other infected.
But she is infected
Radar goes off red
i’m loving how the infection is spread compared to the spores in the game. mouth tendrils and having it act more like a fungus being able to communicate like a network is very similar to the yellow slime mold fungus (the yellow fungus shown in the opening intro theme), and it really is more creative than just, air sickness 😵💫. and the creators are right, spreading through spores and humanity wouldn’t have lasted a week, there would be no Last Of Us it’d be None of Us.
I mean… there really are mold spores that spread in the air. It’s not some made up thing just for the game.
@@beezybaby1289 never said there isn’t but airborne viruses in zombie media has been way overdone, and spores realistically would’ve wiped out humanity completely unless you wanna see people wear gas masks for the entire show.
They did say that you need a certain concentration of the spores in your lungs to kick start the infection. It’s a fungus, not the flood form halo, where a single spore can legit destroy a species
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman i can answer the first one and say that it was said that wheat and bread are perfect substrates for fungus, the spores probably already grew in the bread when eaten.
the other questions is just an example of looking into deep into the science of the show, which doesn’t make sense if that’s your argument of the game being more realistic because the spores in the game are not scientific at all either. Spores don’t concentrate and stay indoors, they are everywhere. Some liberties would have to be made to add tension ofcourse, and leave it to the fan base to come up with a perfect in universe explanation for all the questions you asked.
and yes i do agree that HBO probably would’ve asked to keep the faces not covered, but it doesn’t take me out of the immersion in that respect.
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman Spores can’t stay in one place like they do in the game. You can’t run or escape spores because they are in the air. By having super unrealistic spores would ruin the show, the fungus is not supposed to be very far fetched from something that could happen irl. So if they included spores in a realistic way everyone would’ve died long ago, and the ones who survives would need to wear a mask 24/7. That doesn’t sound too fun to watch
Loved the look of the clickers they were so terrifying
The moment when Tess was slowly climbing through the rubble felt like the next area was loading in.
As someone who study’s mycology I love the way you all have practically made the mycelia network or (wood wide web) hostile it definitely makes sense that other infected would be signaled by others. Love that, fantastic job guys! 👏🏽🔥💯
5:18 I loved the flinch. It was like seeing the last 20 years of his experiences since the outbreak all in one moment.
I love how every time Joel uses his injured hand, there’s a subtle hint that it pains him. Sometimes he winced, but sometimes he just has a look that you can just tell he’s trying not to react to his fist being bruised and possibly broken
Pedro is absolutely killing it as joel, not only is he nailing the mannerisms and voice, he's bringing more nuance to the character which I never thought was possible. This show is everything to me rn
The amount of work they put into sets is so outstanding. Many of the sets were in the show for like 2 minutes but there was so much care put into them
This whole experience was probably life changing for Neil after the vitriolic response from the fans after last of us 2. I remember seeing an interview with Neil after last of us 2 and he seemed very sad and worn down, glad to see him so energetic about his work again.
“The fans” mostly loved or at least liked 2.
@@NecroMorrius Dont really think so. It was definitely a divisive game. The internet trolls overshadowed a lot of the criticism though, which really made discourse around that game really toxic
@@NecroMorrius no they didn’t. There’s a reason why TLOU was so good - the relationship between Joel & Ellie. Even Neil Druckmann said as much in an interview, that the story always revolves around those 2.
The only parts “true” fans liked about Part 2 were the flashbacks- 1 guess as to why. No one wanted to see some completely different set of characters, let alone play as Joel’s killer. Just felt like such a departure and betrayal of the first game.
Just as they’ve changed a lot of aspects in the TV show, I really hope they manage to portray Part 2 better than the game did.
@BangingMash, exactly, TLOU2 just felt so empty. The flashbacks and some small scenes were the only things i liked about part 2
Tess's death was horrifying yet oddly peaceful with how the infected just ran past her, except the one that approached her.
Neil did such a good job with contrasting the fear from the infected and the beauty from the vast apocalyptic landscapes overrun by nature.
I can't wait for whatever other episodes he directs!
Sadly that’s the only one he directs each episode has a different director
@@editname3502 it’s how these big budget shows work though. The directors have the responsibilities of pre, pro, and post-production. There is just not enough time for one such director to work on every episode. Like the Mandolorian for example has had 9 different directors in 2 seasons.
It was beautiful that Neil got to direct the episode that introduces us to the clickers though. The looks, the sounds and mannerisms where all on point.
@@nurzetv8866 yes absolutely , normally you’ll have a director do a couple episodes depending on the length of the season , Im enjoying the show most of all because I can share it with my non gamer friends , I try to take it in and not pick it apart too much it’s a different medium ,the same way I watch “DUNE” .
i think most of the additional scenes so far have been great , but I’ll tell you what , little things like Joel giving Tess a boost made me so happy 😂
@@editname3502 him glancing at his watch after taking in the sights with Ellie while the theme is twanging in the background gave me chills dude. Neil killed it.
I do need a wood pallet scene at some point in this series as well🤣. I think Neil used it as joke in this episode but I hope they make it happen🙏🏼
@@nurzetv8866 yeah that was great and the show is so good it can survive things like that kiss , that was so out of place , but it doesn’t even matter the good far outweighs the bad and I really hope that the film and TV industry finally sees that some games are of a high quality than anything they create and instead of cherry-picking what they want they can do more adaptions like this. I couldn’t even bring myself to watch “Uncharted” 😂
33:47 this episode had a Neil Druckamnn-ness to it, his particular flavour you see in the game..the choice of music enhancing the emotion (the underlying spine of the emotional beats) and cutting at a point of high emotional intensity. I'm glad he did it his way!
The terror in the eyes of the officer from the beginning to the last shot just builds beautifully.
It was cool to hear Craig mention Vince Gilligan. The cold openings in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are masterclasses.
I got chills, I got thrills. I cried. This is an adaptation done right.
Ptftftf you cried?? 😂😂😂😂😂
its nothing like the game are you high??
@@AndersonClips It absolutely is, what show are YOU watching 😂
Played the game all the way through 3 times and still got emotional every time something happened that I knew was going to happen. Lol. Very well done all around.
Ive been telling people it feels like christmas morning as a kid! Seeing my favorite game ever turned into a fantastic show
I feel like this podcast is relevant not just to fans of The Last of Us, but to any creative professional. Hearing them discuss difficult creative decisions and rationales is so insightful, and it highlights the intense deliberation that goes into making a labor of love.
When Troy said 'until next week, endure and survive' damn i got chills
The tendril scene spreading to Tess was perfect. We’ve been teased that Joel and Tess are in a relationship. I’m her last moments, she wanted to kiss Joel, but couldn’t. I believe that the tendrils needing to infect a new host is symbolism for the kiss Tess was longing for with Joel.
Gonna throw this out there. Y'all could make these podcast episodes 10x longer, and I'd still listen to them multiple times.
I love how those first two episodes connected. In the first episode they were out of flour to make pancakes and then grandma was eating cookie. Again further this episode they were doing raising cookie which Sarah did not try, because of the raisins. Then in the second episode they stated that fungus was discovered in the mill outside of the city - which as the doctor stated it was perfect condition for it's development and affect the flour. That means that probably grandma was infected because of the flour used in the cookies. I imagine that if Sarah or Joel would try the cookie they would got infected too.
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman do you ever just watch a show to enjoy it or do you have to pick everything apart? Let yourself enjoy things, have a little suspension of disbelief you freak
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman i watched a review of the shoe and indonesia has one of the largest flour producing factories in the world apparently.
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman why are you just lying? Indonesia/Jakarta has massive flour production
Fun fact: even though episode 2’s cold open says Jakarta, Indonesia, the license plate shown on the traffic scene was actually Bali, Indonesia. Jakarta is “B” whereas the scene if you pause it showed “DK” which is Bali and in that scene you can also see a signage that shows direction to Kuta Square, a shopping boulevard in Bali.
To be fair, it could’ve spread from Bali to Jakarta by then. The cold open mentioned unrest in Jakarta but it didn’t have to start from there, plus there were already missing factory employees . Could also be a continuity error too tho lol.
@@ThevralLee I just want to state the fact about the factual error that’s all. The scene shows Jakarta with traffic full of Bali vehicles.
Yep, good work 👍🏼 the scene was shot in Bali in circa 2020. If you pause on the menu prices where the Professor was having lunch none of the prices reflect 2003 prices BUT it's still a much better story told in 10 minutes compared to Indo movies.
@@wburham You’re right! My bad, I seemed to have missed the title card setting it in Bali at the start of the open, good eye!
@@MichaelNgTzeWei I think you’re mistaken. The traffic scene must be from royalty-free stock footage, the restaurant scene and the health ministry building scene was shot in Canada from what I gather from the Internet.
These first 2 episodes have been absolutely amazing. And I’m so glad this podcast exists, too.
It just gets better. The scenery was amazing, I kept pausing wanting to take a screenshot. It somehow felt like I was playing and watching at the same time.
They're absolutely killing it so far...well done everyone
I wish she was a little more badass like she was in the game, but yeah, still great acting.
Sooo glad they're doing the podcast thing like they did with Chernobyl. I'm assuming we have Craig Mazin to thank for bringing it back. You're the best, Craig!
The cold open was unexpected but I love that they are expanding the in world lore about the initial outbreak. Really curious to see if they will ever address what the rest of the world looks like and not just the US.
I would love it if after this series ends, they do an anthology exploring different parts of the world and the survivors like TWD did with Tales
Its been a long time since me and the Mrs sat to watch a series together. She likes zombie series like TWD and I've played this game so this is a win win for us. She's already invested in the show with just 2 episodes and I am loving the tweaks they are doing specially more depth on Tess' death. Keep it up guys!
This episode made me realize how different clickers would be applied in a real-life setting. In the game I am confident in my ability to deal with them because I am the character, and the character is Ellie/Joel. In a real life setting these infected would be so difficult to deal with. I like that the most subtle sounds trigger these clickers and Ellies scared whimper was enough to cause chaos. THIS WOULD BE TERRIFYING. My creaky ankles would give away my position immediately...
Welcome to the TLOU grounded mode. I still haven't made my way past Boston 🤦🤣
I absolutely loved the use of music from both part 1 and 2. To me music makes or breaks a scene and i absolutely loved it. Hearing aloowed to be happy from gustavo was heartbreakingly awesome.
For those questioning about tess's kiss with the infected, you have to take a step back and remember what the infection does to the host. Realize that it was involuntary and the cordyceps fungus has already latched to her brain. Remember when tess was explaining it to ellie and how all the infected are connected. This is something that wasn't a part of the game but adds a whole new level of fear and layer to the original framework of the story. She still had some use of her brain that's why she kept striking the lighter and as it progresses her frantic striking slowed down. You can also see how beforehand she was losing control of her arm and hand as it was shaking and twitching. I think this was a beautifully crafted episode that is adding so much more depth to the original. In her last moment the fungus had totally taken control of her brain and dropped the lighter, she was no longer tess. Which i think gives closure to her character and I'm amazed that it was so perfectly executed. People may think its crazy how much people say it's the best adaptation of a video game but it truly is thus far. The episodes just keep impressing me more and more and I can't wait for next week's.
Mark my words, wait until you see next week bill episode, you will get emotional like a kid, more than what happened to Sarah
THANK YOU
Exactly what I thought, she was already being controlled in those last moments but still had some control to blow up the place
@@raf.nogueira how do u know about next weeks episode
Next weeks episode is about Bill and Frank, It’s kind of common knowledge.
would be great having these podcasts as video podcasts watching troy and neil while they speaking
Troys insight on the game to adaptation comparison is refreshing. I have played the game in its entirety probably 40 times since it’s release and I notice all these subtle (and huge) differences. Wasn’t a fan of the kiss at the end but I’m trying to keep an open mind to the series. Can’t wait for the next one!
I think the kiss works wonderfully on a metaphorical level. The mantra of the show is “love is not always a good thing”, like said in episode 1 of the podcast. So I love the symbolism of the ultimate expression of love, a kiss, being corrupted like that
Really loved the scene where Joel reloading with a clicker around the corner is mirroring the original teaser trailer for the game over 10 years ago!
I LOVED the opening scene in Indonesia. I hope every episode starts with a callback to the start of it all.
Tess's death hit me so much harder here than the game. i thought that scene was done beautifully and it was perfect. idk how to feel about the fungus kiss though. i loved everything about this episode except that.
edit: just to be clear i'm not saying the "kiss" was bad. but it just wasn't something i felt needed to be there. but the great thing about TLoU is that it puts you in uncomfortable positions and makes you accept it. the show is still incredible, and i don't have to like everything in it to feel that way.
same
The fungus kiss was gross but it made sense because it's literally like the infected saying you're one of us, join us. Like when they observed the infected down below the hotel, they're all connected.
@@leeroyjenkins323exactly. It was trying to speed up her infection. Disgusting but understandable way for it to spread more without injuring the host.
@@leeroyjenkins323 I also took it as symbolism for the kiss she was longing for with Joel. We’ve been teased that they are in relationship, and in her last moments, Tess wanted to kiss Joel but couldn’t.
@@ryanarntsen7892that's an interesting take
Joel’s aim was exactly like mine when playing. Very inaccurate 😂
You say inaccurate, but I say I shot a perfectly accurate outline around that Clicker.
Gotta get them pills and upgrade the weapon sway
I love the bit where Joel is reloading quietly, reminds me of the earlier cinematic trailers in the hotel. This show is honestly faithful while also doing some of its own Things.
Making me feel like it's 2013 when I played game. It's getting better every episode. Keep em Comin
Ep 1 was better because it was just that good but I can’t wait to see bill and frank
The opening minutes of the show was nail-biting! You could tell the hopelessness was immediate and the doctor understood that instantly as soon as the officer said 14 people were missing! Wow. Literally just go home and count your days.
Troy's sigh at 32:15 just encapsulates his understanding of a whole different perspective and way of playing Joel that he never saw before. Must be so amazing, exciting, and yet frustrating as an actor!!! 🤣
Anna Torv stood out as the most genuine presence in both episodes, loved Tess so much
I'm really gonna miss Tess. I wish we had her for longer. Anna Torv is sensational, as I knew she would be from watching her in Mindhunter. I hope we maybe get flashbacks of Tess.
This was another PERFECT episode. The clickers felt even scarier here too. And they are still scary in the game!! They were great. Us whove played.. knew the Tess scene was coming. But i really liked how it was different still than the game. Makes it fun seeing the tweaks and changes.
The lighter was hope running out but luck coming in sometimes...it makes the ending of the game that much more heartbreaking. Maybe there was hope for a cure but Joel didn't care. He didn't wanna risk losing another daughter.
The game goes for the vaccine route. Trying to prevent the infection in the first place. However, vaccines don't work for fungus. Not currently and not then. Anti fungal (let's just call it a cure) could take weeks to months to cure an individual. Which is far too long to stop someone from turning. So essentially, no cure and no vaccine. I believe what Ellie has is the same fungus, just a mutated version to be far less deadly and less invasive. But it attacks the other type of fungal infection extremely well and doesn't let her turn. However, the downsides are an extremely weak immune system (doesn't matter since the fungus fights every virus and fungus that enters her body for her. Hence why she doesn't, and likely can't, get sick.), and an extremely low body temperature. Hence why she always wears a hoodie. But she can give her fungus to pretty much anyone by doing a blood transfusion or even kissing them if it's also in her saliva. That's just my two cents tho
@@snakevenom4954 I feel like they'll still make some sort of medicine or vaccine in the show. In the first episode we hear "There are no vaccines, it's not even possible to make them!" and in the second it's "I've spent my life studying these things, there is no medicine, there is no vaccine", both said by scientists. It's really smacked over your head in a way that (to me at least) feels a bit obvious and makes me think we'll get a "Oh my god, it's possible!" type of revelation at some point. Because if they don't do that, the Fireflies (especially Abby's father, the doctor) would for a fact be _complete_ idiots and people would have far less of an issue siding with Joel because we've all heard scientists confirm that there is no cure. In the game it's more open ended, and people only really debate back and forth between "in the real world there is no vaccine for fungi" and "but this isn't the real world."
@@snakevenom4954 the entire game is built Upon the fact that the vaccine will actually work. Cause of it doesnt work, then Joel didnt do a bad thing anymore by taking Ellie away from the fireflies, she saved her. So now Abby's in the wrong and Ellie was angry to Joel when he actually saved her
@@peoduction6068 There is no vaccine for fungal infections. Not with current technology and not with technology from 10 or 20 years ago, depending on the game or series. Secondly, anti-fungal medication does exist, but it takes weeks to months to cure an individual of the fungal infection. The cordyceps infection takes two days, at most, to fully infect the individual. In reality, a blood sample from Ellie would likely be enough to see what's going on. She's not immune. If she was, her bite mark would go away, and it would look like nothing happened. But she is infected, the infection just isn't doing anything. Take some of her blood and inject it into a prisoner. See what happens. If they turn, inspect further. If they don't, inject them with blood from an infected and see if they turn from that or if they're fine. Hence, it's her blood plasma. All you need to do is inject her blood plasma into your soldiers and they after a while test them and make sure they donate blood as well to spread the "vaccine". So again, not sure why the doctors would go straight to doing surgery to her brain. The brain and circulatory system are connected so by studying her blood you can get a pretty good picture on what's going on in her head.
@@snakevenom4954 just wanna say this is a cool explanation! Her mutated version of the fungus attacking the cordyceps would make sense
Mycology professor is my MVP in this episode
When they are in the capital and Joel tells Tess they can just go home, she yells at him, "This isn't my home!" Given her backstory, it makes so much more sense now. It's one thing to know what lies on the other side of infection, it is one thing to go through it and understand that this is exactly what your husband and child experienced. Of course she is thinking of her home, where as far as she knows, her child still is, and she is the only one who knows he's there. She wants to go home.
Oh wow .. do you mean the son might still be "alive" in the combined fungal mind?
@Orion Red I didn't, but he could be. Her backstory was she locked him in the basement, if I recall. If he hasn't escaped or been let out, he is still there in whatever form and she is the only one who knows. I just think in her final moments she would be thinking a lot about her time before, her family, and their home and what made it a home. And also what kind of infected life she sentenced her child too, because she couldn't kill him.
I have played the game multiple times, and the tension you build in these episodes, the way you’ve expanded these beloved characters…it’s perfection.
Wow… this was incredible. Obviously they’re not going to be able to squeeze all the game details into episodes. The sacrifices the show creators are making is working. In an ideal world there would be a little more build up, but wow. Visually and emotionally beautiful
Exactly we don’t need a carbon copy of the game. I don’t need Joel killing 1000’s of infected to feel satisfied, it’s just not realistic with how tough these infected actually are. In a game I can suspend my belief because it makes me the player feel badass for mowing every enemy down. IRL that would not work.
I don't know about anyone else but the infection in this show is much more terrifying than in the game. The idea of a network of entwined, demented infected minds sensing you miles away is horrifying.
Now imagine when the bloater appears
Absolutely. Brilliant addition to the lore. I'm loving this show but that detail has been my favorite so far.
The intro was great... a departure from the game but it worked so well.
In addition this new development of how the fungi are all connected and just by stepping on a branch can alert hoards of infected. This added so much tension and horror to the experience of entering and traversing the museum
Utterly brilliant 👏
Craig and Neil are sooooo good at what they do. Phenomenal. The cast and crew are terrific. Just a lot of passion in this week and it shows in the reviews, viewership.
I love that Troy Baker hosts this. Really takes the series full circle, and his interview/moderation style is surprisingly decent.
This episode was so good. Congrats Neil on an amazing directorial debut. I had a take on Tess’s reaction to Joel. I think if she knows she’s dying for the belief in Ellie, it would be for nothing if Joel didn’t follow through so it became super important to her.
Anna Torv deserves an Emmy nomination for this episode. I hope HBO submits her for the 2023 awards season!
Surround sound was a must for this episode! The show has been absolutely perfect so far thanks to all the people involved!
The fung-kiss bricked me up
HUH
I kind of wish they had done the Tess flashback with her family to give us insight into her backstory and character before they killed her off. Anna Torv was great in Mindhunter. Maybe we will get more of her via Joel in a flashback in a future episode. I do like the opening sequences where they show how it started so far and the connectedness of the fungus plague, the flour mill, the perfect substrate.
The context I could only dream about 10 years. Love these podcasts
The mycelium network is a great addition to the cordyceps infection, would be a great addition to future TLOU games
Tess death scene was way more powerful then getting shot off screen. That lighter while she is being infected more was insane
They missed the scene where Joel scavenges for supplies and frantically crafts a shiv to kill the clickers
The Clickers. Omg, I've played the games a hundred times and seeing them in live action was the 1st time I got chills down my spine.
One of the most insightful discussions I've ever heard. Thank you.
The clickers/infected/fungi are like the mind hive from Stranger Things. It's so cool!
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I'm wearing headphones and I just jumped out of my skin!
I’ve loved Anna Torv since Fringe (amazing show, miss it every day) and I’m glad she’s getting a bit more recognition now, even if just for two episodes!
This podcast feels like an explanation to people on how adaptations work, and why they have to be different from the source material. I love it, lot's of people need to hear it!
Literally a perfect episode
The Toxic people that complain about the casting and changes are cynical weirdos. This show is a brilliant adaptation 🙌
Yea grown dudes complaining cuz they’re not attracted to an actress who’s playing a 14 year old … ppl are sick in the head fr
@@DJ-my2sh Ellie's actor looks like she has fetal alcohol syndrome
@@bloxnbrixgamer61 It sure looks like you have fetal alcohol syndrome... (Sorry, that was easy.)
@@DJ-my2sh people just want Euphoria actors in every show I swear it’s so weird. Not knocking those actors but “fans” are so delusional about these kind of things.
I've watched Narcos and Pedro Pascal does a fantastic job in it. He also plays a fantastic job in Kingsmen golden ring. He's a fantastic cast for Joel. The only person I would've chosen before him would be Nick Offerman, but Pedro just conveys more emotion than Nick. So glad they got Nick playing Bill, however. He is going to kill it playing him
Never played this game. But I’m already loving this show
Should check it out
I like the spreading living fungi instead of the spores. It works so well in this medium where in the video game constantly looking at the ground to make sure you don't step on fungus would be tedious.
There actually is a mechanic kinda like this in TLOU2, there are infected that grow into walls that can burst out and surprise attack you, but if you're careful you can see the fungal patches on the floor and walk around them, if you don't step on the fungus the infected don't wake up!😃
Hearing the clicker sounds with headphones on, in the dark triggered something in me for a sec
This is adjacent to the episode, but I really have to give kudos to the sound designers for frequently foreshadowing the clickers before we see them - even in a couple instances of a creaking door or another echoed sound, elements of the ambient noise sound like the clickers and it just adds to the suspense. I didn't think it was possible, but this show is enriching and even improving upon the game. Brava!
Yeah i was 100% sure they blended elements of the clicker echolocation into the door opening creaks because on a couple of those i legitimately had an ear perk up startle reaction from clicker ptsd
This episode blew me away!!! Especially the Clicker sequence!!! My GOD I jumped out of my seat
Anna Torv as always made an amazing job.
This episode was so crazy! Loved it
Loved craig mentioning the 🐐 vince gilligan 🙌
I'm obsessed. Thank you to everyone involved.
So good to listen to this podcast a few days after the episode. Thank you for all, you all!
This adaptation is amazing so far I can’t believe how good it is haven’t been this into a show in a very long time you guys did an amazing job the game was amazing and this is right on par!
Love this podcast - i finish watching the episode and having this podcast feels like having someone to talk to about the show!