How heartless can you be to lie to people then turn around and lay them off with little or no notice? But it seems to me that there are more "awake" people at Bethel than I thought there were. They're starting to see the hypocrisy of this man made organization. I hope some of those individuals are making their way outside the organization and reclaiming their lives.
Hopefully, because so many of them give up everything for The Society, give them their time and energy and fucking youth! They work for nothing, they work their nuts off, live in shoeboxes and when they leave or they are kicked out they are left with nothing no careers, no PENSION, no redundancy severage package. Why cant WT give them something to soften the blow? Help them get jobs elsewhere, or convert some of their properties, KHs or some of the HOTELS THAT THEY OWN into rooms for the Bethel people that they have made homeless? They are utter dicks, I hope they burn in hell - shame I dont believe in hell
Jamie Angel Devastating and heartbreaking to have your entire world and belief system turned upside down! What a sobering "behind-the-scenes" like expose! Many of us are STILL shell shocked. 🌾
By the way brother, I want you to know the great service you have done for us waking up witnesses. After my "Armageddon" began inside the organization I went straight to my computer and began searching for WT/JW information from so-called apostates, in reality activists And you were the first activist, if I may call you, to watch on you tube about 8 months ago. And everything you said made sense. I knew you were an honest, sincere, truthful type of brother. Thank you for your service by your CZcams videos. God bless you
It is sad for those that gave up marriage and having children for this organization. We had an elderly couple in the congregation I attended that had been missionaries in a foreign country for 25 years. They came back to the US to care for his aging mother till she passed. They stayed here and pioneered. The wife told me one day in field service that her husband kept telling her one day they would have children but it never happened. She too would dote on babies at the hall and in field service, just cried because she wanted children so bad. Her husband unexpectedly died and she ended up in a nursing home and died from Alzheimer"s. I always thought, how sad.
Consider yourself extremely fortunate you landed on your feet and got out relatively young. Those realizing at 50 or more their life was a waste are mostly done and over
Man. You are so funny. I love the way you explain things. “ I was buying what the Governing body was selling” 😂🙏🏻 peace and prosperity be with you my brother.
Dallas Canada Amen to that, these stories are incredible. You can only wind people up so tight with no way for them to release their frustration, before they start self destructing with drugs, booze, rebellion, physical assault, even sexually.with gay people no longer exercising care to keep their private lives, private, or straights letting loose, no longer caring about being discovered.
I was under the impression everything went smoothly because at the time I was trusting what I was told. So sorry for all each of you had to go through as a result of the lies. I'm going to give my son your information and advise him to watch your videos. He is really heart broken at being lied to by this cult. I think this may help him. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Hey Marcus. It's refreshing to hear news via someone who has directly experienced it. I saw another video where the 'change' talk that you refer to was played. I couldn't believe that the speaker even conceded that old people might have to face some hard facts if they don't get moved to the upstate location. I as stunned by his audacity and complete lack of compassion. These people will have no money and nothing to fall back on except perhaps the charity of other witnesses. Thank you so much for sharing. I wonder how they are all faring now.
I am so happy that Watchtower let me go. I realized in the mid 1990's that there were issues at Bethel that surprised me entirely. The absolute materialistic attitude that was on full display was disgusting. The way the leadership conducted themselves was appalling. Lording it over others. Pompous and narcissistic attitudes prevailed. With reviewing your video, I saw what these "Governing Body" members ended up as. Instead of encouraging me, they labelled me, that I was extremely "limited". Twenty years later, I have a career making 6 figures. For me, I took their crap and proved them wrong. Now they state that I should quit my job and be-grade my type of work. I plainly ignore them. If young people came to me and asked me about Bethel, I would discourage it. I would tell them that you have more to offer than what Bethel could do for you. If you like listening to talk, then you will no doubt be disappointed in the end. Remember, talkers like to talk. Watchtower leadership is a talker, not a doer. Learn a skill and never look back. Enjoy what you do.
The disregard for marriage and a woman's right to expect that she will get to have children is a problem they've never dealt with fairly. I was married in 1972, and because Armageddon was right around the corner, clearly published to occur in 1975, we held off. By 1976, when I brought up the subject, my husband, turns out to never wanting a family. Impending doom was a convenient way to get his way without being honest with me. You know what this made me feel like. Very used. So, I can thoroughly understand the disappointment of sisters who have been likewise deprived of fulfillment. Breaks my heart.
My brother married in '73. They too decided to have kids in the Noo World 'months away'. Now nearing their seventies, they are, of course, childless. Heartbreaking to recall when my sis-in-law asked me if, at 48, she should finally try for a child. It never happened. She turned to alcohol for comfort. wt thieves and robbers.
Your story is a lot like mine. No I'm regular auxiliary pioneering, no children and finally we made the decision to have one. Four years later we separated and divorce, I left the cult and raised my son by my standards. He is a graduate of NC A&T State University , got two degrees, one in physics and one in applied mathematics. He now works in clinical trials and research in Cancer and Leukemia for DUKE University. He married a wonderful girl who is a nurse and they have three children. Look at all I would have missed if I stayed in!!!! Thank you Jesus for setting me straight and loving me just as I am. Today I teach Bible study and help people learn their Bible for their self. Love to all😊
This is unbelievable I'm in shock... I knew things were bad but I didn't know the in's and out's of what they were doing. How can anyone honestly think that this is the "truth"... This ain't the way a loving God would treat his followers. It's all a load of man made pile of mush and it always has been, it's taken me 12 years out to finally wake up and see what this is really all about.
About 10 years ago, four family members, two couples, at Bethel decided after approx. 15 years of service that they needed to leave because they were getting up in years and knew there was NO security. They all left around their 50's and have been working non-stop to try to create a financially stable life. One told me that she and her husband will likely never get to retire but likely will have to work as long as they are able.
Wow, don't know if this will be seen, it is 8-16-23 , I have been a witness since 0/8 ,, 0/9 , haven't been back since covid , except to the Memorial , I had come across the Royal Commission Court Hearings ÇSA JWs mentioned it to another sister , and now I was called by a brother for a visit , I agreed to a date , but have changed my mind , don't owe them an explanation I don't want to be a part of, liars , deceit , robbers who have spiritually high jacked all of us for a profit , Tony Morris , got booted , but the WTandTract Society bought a house for him to live in , of course it belongs to them , They paid 250:000 for it Him and his wife can live in it until there death or if they want to move , they also bought another house across from TM , same price , they paid cash for both houses , did they send thank you cards toover 8million witnesses for our hospitality all the donations , , so done , thank you
terrible way of treating loyal servants who have sacrificed so much to serve. Not a godly way to treat people - not even a 'manly' wayt o treat people!
Thanks for an honest insider's insight. Everyone who knows a Bethelite sort of guessed it had to be devastating, even if many just can't bring themselves to publically admit it, which is perfectly understandable. After all, who wants to let anyone know they were played.
+Marcus Vaughn I get a lot of witnesses preaching in our neighborhood. I bring up everything you said . Their reply is you were blessed by being sent home to do the preaching work and it's a true honor. You should be glad.
Thank you for the information dear brother. I encourage anyone who's eyes have been opened not to give up on the Bible/God. I went back to my training and had to reexamine the entire Bible (non NWT). At first it was to find what I had missed but as a result I found relationship instead of religion. Holy Spirit teaches me and not those men. I love and miss my brothers and sisters but am so grateful that my hopeless prayer was answered and he left the 99 for me. Wow! He's so patient. Love you all!
It is like God is judging this organization and it is literally imploding on itself! What has been set in motion probably has not even reached its ultimate course yet. :I
The thing about Robert is that if you haven't fully woken up and done personal research to see for yourself, the truth about the Org then some of what he says almost makes sense. I have been tempted to comment on his videos but it's pointless. He still believes them to be truth. They were teaching heretical and apostate doctrine long after their supposed appointment in 1919. No god has ever communicated with them directly let alone through Holy Spirit. If he had, they would have had the same truth all of these years with no need for New Light.
Thank you for sharing , I feel bad for those laid off. It's hard when a Company lays many people off. What the Beth-elites are going through is much worse. Hoping many will get through it because it's devastating for anybody that puts heart and soul into something . Cheers!
Marcus - Great job and discussion. I was a little surprised at how vocal some of the reactions were by Bethel family members to the changes at Bethel, but I probably shouldn't be surprised at all. When the Governing Body arrangement was instituted back in the 1970s, it was no less than a hostile take-over! I certainly won't be reading your experience in any Watchtower publications anytime soon. :) Anyways, I have story to relate regarding layoffs. I know many of the folks involved in this situation, including the CEO and know enough of the situation to know its all true. It was also announced in the company's newsletter when it occurred.... Back around 2009, I was working for a company of about 4,000 employees here in the US. Although the great recession had begun, the impact hadn't fully hit us yet. There were about 100 new employees that had just gone through their new employee training and were getting ready to start working, when the CEO had to announce that there would be layoffs. This came as a shock as I had worked there for a long time and never heard of this happening prior. But, what made this situation so very different was the way the CEO handled it. The CEO announced that being at the bottom of the seniority list, the 100 new employees would be laid-off. However, prior to the announcement, the CEO had his staff contact all of the similar type businesses in the region and managed to get jobs for everyone of those individuals being laid-off with the promise that he would hire them back, when conditions improved, if they wanted to return. The CEO kept his word and re-hired about half of those employees when conditions had started to get better. The other half were happy with their new jobs and decided not to come back. Now, I'll grant you that this experience may be somewhat out of the norm for what occurred during the recession. But if you knew the kind of guy the CEO I worked for was, you would understand. Oh and remember this business is a "worldly" company, a part of Satan's system.........Somehow, I don't think my experience will be heard any JW conventions or read about in any Watchtower publications either.....lol......And the Watchtower has the nerve to say regarding working at Bethel, that Jehovah is the greatest employer in the world.....I beg to differ. As always, thanks Marcus.
Truly amazing story I served at bethel back in 94-96. But certainly not surprised how this is playing out. As you repeatedly said, "they are just men" not inspired of god. I remember sitting across from Br.Barbor chewing with his month open at lunch and his terse remarks and thought these guys are not any different from a cantankerous neighbor I once had. Though I did like comments from brother Dan Sydlik about getting promoted or used in other ways at bethel you have to please your overseer in the department your in to get 'ahead'. But in my words kiss ass to a sniveling jerk who happens to be your supervisor. I also liked Brother Wall who seemed genuinely concerned for my decision to leave bethel back in 96. Hey bro keep you Chin up and move on from this and all religions until 'god' comes and tells you which one to follow. But as for me and my family we will serve no one at this time until 'god' makes himself known directly. Best wishes
The governbody just wow!! And Australian royal commission. Now with social media. people are see real truth. I myself still can't believe how I fell for it all and Kept fighting myself when I kept seeing all crazy lies. Finally I got enough strength to reach what was making me go crazy inside after witnessing the injustice in what I believed was god true organization.
I am going on seventy yrs old . My Dad jumped into the truth when I was five years old . My family was happy and it went to sad . Never went back to happy.
Was this a couple of years ago?2009-2012ish? I can imagine the frustration and hurt. This would be especially hard for folks that have no backup plan. No special skillset, or education that would allow them to transition into the "real world". I am sure that some of those that had special skills... law degree or other higher end skillset were kept. Remember - there is no retirement plan for JW's. My parents have been shunning me for a few years, and now that they are older they are coming around and making arrangements. They realize that their only adult daughter will be the one to take care of them.
How awful for you. I am so sorry. I hope you are OK now. I have been out of the 'truth' for 20 years now, but it still makes me so sad to hear of ordinary Witnesses, thinking that they are serving God, only to be treated in the way you have been. I hope that you can get over this, find decent, kind people who are not trapped by the governing body. You will be pleasantly surprised to find people out there who are just as decent and kind as most witnesses are, so don't give up in your search for them.
Marcus, I 'm not a Jehovah Witness bu I have a family member who's been in organization for at least 40 years. Your story is heart breaking to say the least. I'm praying for you. Jesus loves you!
I love hearing your experiences as a Bethel servant, but I know those are hard topics for you to talk about. I'm really happy that your life is so much happier now...I really like the "walk 'n talk" way of creating your videos recently...Personally, I would love to hear how your new job is going at the church, but if you prefer not to talk about that it's cool. God Bless you Marcus, you will get a whole lot of blessings for doing what you do! Thank you!
Thank you for this Marcus. Great video. I really do feel for those kicked out without so much as a 'by your leave' its sickening as they would have sacrificed so much to be there... and then this. More need to know just how callously the GB treat the 'flock'. I especially feel for those sisters who are past their child bearing years and have to swallow the bitter pill of knowing they have sacrificed having families for absolutely nothing.
yes bravo, so much for shepherding the flock, looking out for their souls, and wives sacrificing their maternal feelings, for what? thanks for your comment. I so agree
That has got to be the singlemost hurtful and regretable thing for a woman to be denied having children when she wants them and it is inbuilt in our genetic makeup for most of us women to desire children even when we already have some. Its so cruel and heartless of these men to take that away from them. They have stolen a lot from many of their followers that can never be replaced
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hey Marcus how are you doing now since the layoffs. have you been able to find employment. I know how hard it is. I worked my whole life for my family until I was disfellowshiped for stupid reasons . long story. it's not been easy for me either. I hope you get ahead in life. I'm trying as you are to expose this cult. brotherly love Bryan bond
I worked at my previous company for 7 years. I was laid off in June 2009, but was given a check (lump sum) for 15 weeks of pay, six months of continued medical/dental/vision insurance and job search services. I also had about $16K in my 401K which was gone by May 2010 because I still had to pay my mortgage. But the bethelites who are let go have nothing! Yet, I am hearing that JWs are told to cut back on secular work. One would be a fool to do so. They will not take care of you! I am not giving up my job until I turn 66 and then I can retire. The reality is that one needs to have some money to fall back on.
They try to sell us the idea that Bethel is a spiritual paradise. I know you're being truthful because my best friend went to bethel in the late 90's and she was never the same. It seemed mysterious to me how she went to bethel Normal and came out "abnormal" and ended up being divorced at the end. Boy, I am glad I didn't get to go.
I remember 2 male friends who went to Bethel for a 3 month assignment....both came back after only 2 months. They seemed a little depressed and wouldn't talk about it. What the heck is going on there? These were 2 of the nerdiest super uber types. So I can't imagine they got into trouble...but hey...anything is possible.
A bit off topic comment but dude! That area is gorgeous!!!! I can imagine looking up and seeing STARS at night...and being able to take a walk without getting mugged. Beautiful! *"WATCHTOWER STUDY"* And there's the problem right there. Not a BIBLE study but a *WATCHTOWER* study. As JT (Ex JWCritical Thinker) would say, *"Human opinion raised to divine status."* That' wt publications in a nutshell.
It's so surprise to hear that an organization that claims to be. All about loving each other. That claim almost drawled me in. You exjws not only help those who are struggling with leaving or being out, you also help those who are looking for real love. After the sister heard I was listening to exjws on CZcams, she stopped calling. Thank you for that.
The analogy of "The Good Shepherd" always made me uncomfortable. The shepherd's job is to fleece you, have you killed and eat you. I wasn't going to mention what certain shepherds also do but there is no question that many former Bethalites are well and truly screwed. Becoming a JW cost me a career in Chemistry, work I loved. I got out in time to salvage something of a career in electronics. Through hard work and a lot of luck, I landed on my feet. Many of those brothers are looking at working until they die poor.
Wait, you just came back to your room one day and your items had been packed up? Did they at least give you some gas money? Did they ask you for a forwarding address?
Thanks for doing this great video Marcus. I always thought of how deluded the GB is in equating themselves to God. How sorry I am to our friends in bethel who are fooled to give their time and strength. They are treated like a gum, after being chewed on and used all the sweetness and are benefited with the good scent, they will just be spitted out anywhere. I sincerely hope all the best for you and that you continue to make these wonderful and enlightening videos.
whats really sad is why are there not more kicked out bethelites telling their stories...shows the control GB still has (this happened to Marcus a few years ago).
how can the brothers and sisters in the congregations no speak up with a loud voice , stand up for truth and justice, iam truly sorry for those who gave all, and are now left in the cold ,
Hoping you emtionally and pysically well. When did this all occur.Thanking you for your insiders information. I had alot of dealings with Sydney Bethel 15 years ago.Been free 3 years Which Bethel was this... New york or ?Im from Aus.All the best for your future.
so the sisters have to be submissive to their husbands decisions so, no children forecasted stay at bethel instead support husband he's in charge and sacrifice her maternal needs. then learn the bethel was a waste of time.
I enjoyed you're descriptive style. Its too bad that it had to take this level of bad treatment to awaken people, but sometimes, and unfortunately, the best lessons we learn in life come from the hardest experiences. I too had to endure a lot of trouble before I awakened to the truth about the religion into which I was born. The religion I was born into (Bible Students which was a sect that spun out of the Watchtower and are Russellites) also claimed to have the truth to, but it was all nonsense. I still am experiencing the consequences of having been born into an extreme religious sect even after many years of having been awkened. Consequences, and pain, that I could never have in a million years have foreseen. I can't actually think of any religion where men (in the rhetorical sense) aren't really the ones behind the scene pulling the strings. Its so sad the hear about people being so badly treated.
Peter Jeuck Anyone who is a Russellite is at odds with Russell since he preached against being a Russellite. rlctr.blogspot.com/2009/09/russels-comments-on-russellites-and.html The only religion a faithful Bible Student believes in is Christianity; otherwise, they are into sectarianism, and sadly, sectarianism does exist among the Bible Students, even as sectarianism existed among first century Christians. rlbibleresources.blogspot.com/2017/01/sectarianism.html As to the Bible Students being "spun out of the Watchtower", I would perceive as being the other way around, that is, that the JW's Watchtower were spun out of the Bible Students under the leadership of Joseph Rutherford. The Bible Students, in other words, refused to join Rutherford's organization. rlctr.blogspot.com/2016/12/bstudents-jws.html I am not sure what in particular is meant by "it was all nonsense." Do you believe that it is nonsense to say that the only way to God is through Jesus? That is what the Bible says and it is what Russell taught; any Bible Student who is teaching some other way is falling short of being faithful to the Bible. Do you believe it is nonsense that Christ died for all? That is what the Bible says and that is what Brother Russell taught. Did you actually ever understand the Biblical basis for the ransom for all and the coming blessing of all the families of the earth? ransomforall.blogspot.com/p/on-this-site.html Many seem to accept this or that simply because Russell said it, or some elder said it. Again, Brother Russell preached against accepting anything simply because he (or anyone else) said it, and demanded that the Bible be the standard, not his books, etc. rlctr.blogspot.com/2016/11/thebible.html From what I have seen from your comments here and elsewhere, I woudl appear to me that perhaps you were never actually consecrated to God through Christ. If did claim to be consecrated, did you think of your consecration as being through or in association with what others did, or to others who might have tried to bind you to teachings beyond what is written? Did you think of the Bible Students as being a "religion" itself? Did you think of you consecration as being consecrated to Bible Students, as a "religion"? Sadly, there have been some among the Bible Students who try to do bind others beyond the Bible, even as there were some among the early Christians who tried to do the same thing. Being associated with the Bible Students does mean that one will not find errors and mistakes being done by individual Bible Students.
I have been laid off before I secular work.. Atleast I got paid a month worth of my income and they were not that mean.. I think bethelites drunk too much coolaid and put their faith in men... Who r the governing body needs this case. But karma is something else.. Nothing good will come out of it inthe end.. You do not treat another human being like that.. I thought they were the slaves..
How long were you there Marcus? Do most Bethelites accept the "over-lapping generation" or what % would you say do? What is the main reason for the doubt? -The U.N. fiasco or the way child abuse cases are handled? Or, what is the main issue causing discord?
Proverbs 30:15-16 - The barren womb is never satisfied ------ strike one! Genesis 1:28 - Be fruitful and multiply --------- strike two! Yes, these things happen when man follows man!!!!! ------- strike three!!! ---------- May God bless you in your journey to THE TRUTH.
I don't know if this has been touched on in the comments but, being a former JW I find it VERY ironic that they often accuse other religions as being bullshit (which they are), and beating the "slaves of god" all the while gloating with pretentious certainty that those assholes are not doing the same.
I survived four layoffs. The last three were announced on a Friday. We were told that people would be fired Tuesday morning at 9:00. Have a nice weekend! At the first of the two layoffs, my colleague to the right of me was fired. At the next layoff, the person in front of me. The last, a colleague I worked closely with, was fired. It took 6 months or more every time for the department to get back on its feet. Even though I was not fired, it reduced my trust in the management every time.
I'm sorry that happened to you. There is no way God's true Organization or followers would treat people in this way. You are correct....this is what happens when one follows Men.
My step son told that he was going to Bethel in 2003. I told him he was crazy to do that . I was not very popular at the meetings after that. I am a ex jw
I saw so much of the truth of the organization when I was active in the mid 1960's. The news came out about the fact that most of the Bethel house and Governing Body at that time were practicing homosexuals. I lived in Ventura,Ca and there were dozens of Russell's original followers living there. They were very old at the time. Many high officials of the organization came there to avoid disfellowshipping and they basically overwhelmed the local congregations when they took control. When the truth of who they were came out it was met with threats of disfellowshipping for any who passed the truth along or who questioned their past. The lamest of excuses were soon accepted as the very light of Jehovah and the preparation for the end in 1975 pressed forward. The Governing Body came to Simi Valley, Ca (the society had a palace for the saints type of complex there) and a number of sisters from around the country were assigned to marry them. Problem solved for the Society. The only great spiritual action that came from all of that is that the GB decided to start disfellowshipping young boys who admitted to masturbating. I knew Elders who left the organization because of their outrage over that one.
The way things happen in this cruel organization, I believe the brother would have stayed back in the KH of his native origin and married another sister after divorcing his first wife. The sister would have left the organization and working secularly would perhaps still be single.
I am so glad you “defected” from the borg because your bethel stories are amazing. Have you been interviewed by AltWorldly or Wally from ExJwStreams? I haven’t found your channel until recently and would love for more people to see your content
This story gives me chills. I feel for you bethelites. I've always been naïve. I would accept lies because they were told in well constructed sentences and would completely ignore things that felt totally wrong. Like the bethelites, my life was put on hold by the organisation. I would love to hear stories of ex bethelites and how they coped with the changes of returning back to work in this world. Back into reality. Its really hard not to resent an organization that continues to cause so much harm to people an the lives.
ive been out for 20 yrs but one of my. use to be best friends who is now an elder has never been married no children. and he is almost 60. so many brothers and sisters dedicate there life only to find out they wasted everything.its very sad. much love for all who are still in this evil cult
God if I had stayed a JW I would be a childless spinster still I just know it, or really unhappily married to some JW git. I did not like any of the 'brothers' during my 20 years raised JW and I would not have liked them to be the boss of me! Funny but though devout marriage has never sat well with me. I could never picture myself married, even to a JW, I would always draw a blank. After I left I heard of people I knew marrying people we had been raised with, know since we were all kids, completely unsuited, but obviously horny, kickstarting their lives and making the most of a bad bunch. Thank God I chose from outside and had my children with the cleverest man I could meet. My children have amazing genes: fast metabolism and highly intelligent :). I would never have forgiven myself or the WT if I had been deprived of having children, they are the only good thing in my life
How heartless can you be to lie to people then turn around and lay them off with little or no notice? But it seems to me that there are more "awake" people at Bethel than I thought there were. They're starting to see the hypocrisy of this man made organization. I hope some of those individuals are making their way outside the organization and reclaiming their lives.
Hopefully, because so many of them give up everything for The Society, give them their time and energy and fucking youth! They work for nothing, they work their nuts off, live in shoeboxes and when they leave or they are kicked out they are left with nothing no careers, no PENSION, no redundancy severage package. Why cant WT give them something to soften the blow? Help them get jobs elsewhere, or convert some of their properties, KHs or some of the HOTELS THAT THEY OWN into rooms for the Bethel people that they have made homeless? They are utter dicks, I hope they burn in hell - shame I dont believe in hell
Jamie Angel Devastating and heartbreaking to have your entire world and belief system turned upside down! What a sobering "behind-the-scenes" like expose! Many of us are STILL shell shocked. 🌾
Very worldly, corporate tactic.
@@rebeccalogan8446 Wordly compagny are not as cruel as what they did.
Watchtower is a business. It acts like one.
Thanks for taking us on a beautiful walk in that peaceful neighborhood. And thanks for telling us the truth about the Bethel layoffs. Poor souls.
yep the walk was soothing
By the way brother, I want you to know the great service you have done for us waking up witnesses. After my "Armageddon" began inside the organization I went straight to my computer and began searching for WT/JW information from so-called apostates, in reality activists And you were the first activist, if I may call you, to watch on you tube about 8 months ago. And everything you said made sense. I knew you were an honest, sincere, truthful type of brother. Thank you for your service by your CZcams videos. God bless you
It is sad for those that gave up marriage and having children for this organization. We had an elderly couple in the congregation I attended that had been missionaries in a foreign country for 25 years. They came back to the US to care for his aging mother till she passed. They stayed here and pioneered. The wife told me one day in field service that her husband kept telling her one day they would have children but it never happened. She too would dote on babies at the hall and in field service, just cried because she wanted children so bad. Her husband unexpectedly died and she ended up in a nursing home and died from Alzheimer"s. I always thought, how sad.
That is why I left. I never planned to stay single in there.
heartbreaking
😭
And nobody cared !!
Yikes.. that’s terrible 😟😟
Consider yourself extremely fortunate you landed on your feet and got out relatively young. Those realizing at 50 or more their life was a waste are mostly done and over
Man. You are so funny. I love the way you explain things. “ I was buying what the Governing body was selling” 😂🙏🏻 peace and prosperity be with you my brother.
You are doing the world a great service with these stories! Wow.
yep, yep
Isn't it 'enlightening' to hear how life is in the Inner Sanctuary?! I love hearing them because I could never have guessed what it is really like.
Dallas Canada Amen to that, these stories are incredible. You can only wind people up so tight with no way for them to release their frustration, before they start self destructing with drugs, booze, rebellion, physical assault, even sexually.with gay people no longer exercising care to keep their private lives, private, or straights letting loose, no longer caring about being discovered.
God loves u so much
I wish more ex-Bethelites would do videos talking about their experiences at Bethel.
I was under the impression everything went smoothly because at the time I was trusting what I was told. So sorry for all each of you had to go through as a result of the lies. I'm going to give my son your information and advise him to watch your videos. He is really heart broken at being lied to by this cult. I think this may help him. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Hey Marcus. It's refreshing to hear news via someone who has directly experienced it. I saw another video where the 'change' talk that you refer to was played. I couldn't believe that the speaker even conceded that old people might have to face some hard facts if they don't get moved to the upstate location. I as stunned by his audacity and complete lack of compassion. These people will have no money and nothing to fall back on except perhaps the charity of other witnesses. Thank you so much for sharing. I wonder how they are all faring now.
I am so happy that Watchtower let me go. I realized in the mid 1990's that there were issues at Bethel that surprised me entirely. The absolute materialistic attitude that was on full display was disgusting. The way the leadership conducted themselves was appalling. Lording it over others. Pompous and narcissistic attitudes prevailed.
With reviewing your video, I saw what these "Governing Body" members ended up as. Instead of encouraging me, they labelled me, that I was extremely "limited". Twenty years later, I have a career making 6 figures. For me, I took their crap and proved them wrong.
Now they state that I should quit my job and be-grade my type of work. I plainly ignore them. If young people came to me and asked me about Bethel, I would discourage it. I would tell them that you have more to offer than what Bethel could do for you.
If you like listening to talk, then you will no doubt be disappointed in the end. Remember, talkers like to talk. Watchtower leadership is a talker, not a doer. Learn a skill and never look back. Enjoy what you do.
I wish more ex-Bethelites would do videos like yours. These videos are very helpful.
"lay offs" from performing free labor, sounds like the bethelites caught a break.
The disregard for marriage and a woman's right to expect that she will get to have children is a problem they've never dealt with fairly. I was married in 1972, and because Armageddon was right around the corner, clearly published to occur in 1975, we held off. By 1976, when I brought up the subject, my husband, turns out to never wanting a family. Impending doom was a convenient way to get his way without being honest with me. You know what this made me feel like. Very used. So, I can thoroughly understand the disappointment of sisters who have been likewise deprived of fulfillment. Breaks my heart.
My brother married in '73. They too decided to have kids in the Noo World 'months away'. Now nearing their seventies, they are, of course, childless. Heartbreaking to recall when my sis-in-law asked me if, at 48, she should finally try for a child. It never happened. She turned to alcohol for comfort. wt thieves and robbers.
My heart breaks for them.
+Aquaseventytree The Watchtower won't even accept responsibility much less apologize. It's just terrible.
+Aquaseventytree heart breaking.
Your story is a lot like mine. No I'm regular auxiliary pioneering, no children and finally we made the decision to have one. Four years later we separated and divorce, I left the cult and raised my son by my standards. He is a graduate of NC A&T State University , got two degrees, one in physics and one in applied mathematics. He now works in clinical trials and research in Cancer and Leukemia for DUKE University. He married a wonderful girl who is a nurse and they have three children. Look at all I would have missed if I stayed in!!!! Thank you Jesus for setting me straight and loving me just as I am. Today I teach Bible study and help people learn their Bible for their self. Love to all😊
This is unbelievable I'm in shock... I knew things were bad but I didn't know the in's and out's of what they were doing. How can anyone honestly think that this is the "truth"... This ain't the way a loving God would treat his followers. It's all a load of man made pile of mush and it always has been, it's taken me 12 years out to finally wake up and see what this is really all about.
It was very predictable
The LORD took you out of an evil satanic cult Marcus and we are sure glad he did!! Blessings
the "lord" is given credit for everything you think is good, and bad things get labeled as satanic. classic cult mentality.
Pat Neary God is the author of every good thing, but MAN (not Satan) is probably the reason for the Bethel wrongs. Just sayin.
Marc Basis looks that way
Darlene Smith the lord didn't he did
About 10 years ago, four family members, two couples, at Bethel decided after approx. 15 years of service that they needed to leave because they were getting up in years and knew there was NO security. They all left around their 50's and have been working non-stop to try to create a financially stable life. One told me that she and her husband will likely never get to retire but likely will have to work as long as they are able.
Wow, don't know if this will be seen, it is 8-16-23 , I have been a witness since 0/8 ,, 0/9 , haven't been back since covid , except to the Memorial , I had come across the Royal Commission Court Hearings ÇSA JWs mentioned it to another sister , and now I was called by a brother for a visit , I agreed to a date , but have changed my mind , don't owe them an explanation I don't want to be a part of, liars , deceit , robbers who have spiritually high jacked all of us for a profit , Tony Morris , got booted , but the WTandTract Society bought a house for him to live in , of course it belongs to them , They paid 250:000 for it Him and his wife can live in it until there death or if they want to move , they also bought another house across from TM , same price , they paid cash for both houses , did they send thank you cards toover 8million witnesses for our hospitality all the donations , , so done , thank you
terrible way of treating loyal servants who have sacrificed so much to serve. Not a godly way to treat people - not even a 'manly' wayt o treat people!
Thanks for an honest insider's insight. Everyone who knows a Bethelite sort of guessed it had to be devastating, even if many just can't bring themselves to publically admit it, which is perfectly understandable. After all, who wants to let anyone know they were played.
Very good Point!!
+Marcus Vaughn I get a lot of witnesses preaching in our neighborhood. I bring up everything you said . Their reply is you were blessed by being sent home to do the preaching work and it's a true honor. You should be glad.
Thank you for the information dear brother. I encourage anyone who's eyes have been opened not to give up on the Bible/God. I went back to my training and had to reexamine the entire Bible (non NWT). At first it was to find what I had missed but as a result I found relationship instead of religion. Holy Spirit teaches me and not those men. I love and miss my brothers and sisters but am so grateful that my hopeless prayer was answered and he left the 99 for me. Wow! He's so patient. Love you all!
It is like God is judging this organization and it is literally imploding on itself! What has been set in motion probably has not even reached its ultimate course yet. :I
I believe HE is unveiling the truth!
That's what Robert King says the Bible foretells-Jehovah's judgement on the Watchtower organization for its apostasy.
Robert King = Another self-absorbed cult Nutcase!
The thing about Robert is that if you haven't fully woken up and done personal research to see for yourself, the truth about the Org then some of what he says almost makes sense. I have been tempted to comment on his videos but it's pointless. He still believes them to be truth. They were teaching heretical and apostate doctrine long after their supposed appointment in 1919. No god has ever communicated with them directly let alone through Holy Spirit. If he had, they would have had the same truth all of these years with no need for New Light.
remember the scripture that says judgement starts first with the house of God.???? something to think about??
Thank you for sharing , I feel bad for those laid off. It's hard when a Company lays many people off. What the Beth-elites are going through is much worse. Hoping many will get through it because it's devastating for anybody that puts heart and soul into something . Cheers!
Marcus - Great job and discussion. I was a little surprised at how vocal some of the reactions were by Bethel family members to the changes at Bethel, but I probably shouldn't be surprised at all. When the Governing Body arrangement was instituted back in the 1970s, it was no less than a hostile take-over! I certainly won't be reading your experience in any Watchtower publications anytime soon. :) Anyways, I have story to relate regarding layoffs. I know many of the folks involved in this situation, including the CEO and know enough of the situation to know its all true. It was also announced in the company's newsletter when it occurred.... Back around 2009, I was working for a company of about 4,000 employees here in the US. Although the great recession had begun, the impact hadn't fully hit us yet. There were about 100 new employees that had just gone through their new employee training and were getting ready to start working, when the CEO had to announce that there would be layoffs. This came as a shock as I had worked there for a long time and never heard of this happening prior. But, what made this situation so very different was the way the CEO handled it. The CEO announced that being at the bottom of the seniority list, the 100 new employees would be laid-off. However, prior to the announcement, the CEO had his staff contact all of the similar type businesses in the region and managed to get jobs for everyone of those individuals being laid-off with the promise that he would hire them back, when conditions improved, if they wanted to return. The CEO kept his word and re-hired about half of those employees when conditions had started to get better. The other half were happy with their new jobs and decided not to come back. Now, I'll grant you that this experience may be somewhat out of the norm for what occurred during the recession. But if you knew the kind of guy the CEO I worked for was, you would understand. Oh and remember this business is a "worldly" company, a part of Satan's system.........Somehow, I don't think my experience will be heard any JW conventions or read about in any Watchtower publications either.....lol......And the Watchtower has the nerve to say regarding working at Bethel, that Jehovah is the greatest employer in the world.....I beg to differ. As always, thanks Marcus.
Lay-offs are a normal business thing
JW is a normal business
To think otherwise is delusional. LoL
i like the idea of going to a walk together and talking 🙂
Truly amazing story I served at bethel back in 94-96. But certainly not surprised how this is playing out. As you repeatedly said, "they are just men" not inspired of god. I remember sitting across from Br.Barbor chewing with his month open at lunch and his terse remarks and thought these guys are not any different from a cantankerous neighbor I once had.
Though I did like comments from brother Dan Sydlik about getting promoted or used in other ways at bethel you have to please your overseer in the department your in to get 'ahead'. But in my words kiss ass to a sniveling jerk who happens to be your supervisor. I also liked Brother Wall who seemed genuinely concerned for my decision to leave bethel back in 96.
Hey bro keep you Chin up and move on from this and all religions until 'god' comes and tells you which one to follow.
But as for me and my family we will serve no one at this time until 'god' makes himself known directly.
Best wishes
Than you Marcus for giving us an inside look of what it is like in that house of Baal(bethel)
The governbody just wow!! And Australian royal commission. Now with social media. people are see real truth. I myself still can't believe how I fell for it all and Kept fighting myself when I kept seeing all crazy lies. Finally I got enough strength to reach what was making me go crazy inside after witnessing the injustice in what I believed was god true organization.
Excellent job, young man! I must have listened to this three or four times now and I will still listen to it again.
Me too, this is my 4th time in 4 years.
Glad I never went to Bethel. In my young life it was a serious goal.
Uplyfting Apostate some of us “failed” to reach bethel
Me too man me too
I am going on seventy yrs old . My Dad jumped into the truth when I was five years old . My family was happy and it went to sad . Never went back to happy.
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That sounds familiar
Was this a couple of years ago?2009-2012ish? I can imagine the frustration and hurt. This would be especially hard for folks that have no backup plan. No special skillset, or education that
would allow them to transition into the "real world". I am sure that some of those that had special skills... law degree or other higher end skillset were kept. Remember - there is no retirement plan for JW's. My parents have been shunning me for a few years, and now that they are older they are coming around and making arrangements. They realize that their only adult daughter will be the one to take care of them.
How awful for you. I am so sorry. I hope you are OK now. I have been out of the 'truth' for 20 years now, but it still makes me so sad to hear of ordinary Witnesses, thinking that they are serving God, only to be treated in the way you have been. I hope that you can get over this, find decent, kind people who are not trapped by the governing body. You will be pleasantly surprised to find people out there who are just as decent and kind as most witnesses are, so don't give up in your search for them.
Marcus, I 'm not a Jehovah Witness bu I have a family member who's been in organization for at least 40 years. Your story is heart breaking to say the least. I'm praying for you. Jesus loves you!
Excellent! I love that you can give the insider information......
I love hearing your experiences as a Bethel servant, but I know those are hard topics for you to talk about. I'm really happy that your life is so much happier now...I really like the "walk 'n talk" way of creating your videos recently...Personally, I would love to hear how your new job is going at the church, but if you prefer not to talk about that it's cool. God Bless you Marcus, you will get a whole lot of blessings for doing what you do! Thank you!
Thank you for this Marcus. Great video. I really do feel for those kicked out without so much as a 'by your leave' its sickening as they would have sacrificed so much to be there... and then this. More need to know just how callously the GB treat the 'flock'. I especially feel for those sisters who are past their child bearing years and have to swallow the bitter pill of knowing they have sacrificed having families for absolutely nothing.
yes bravo, so much for shepherding the flock, looking out for their souls, and wives sacrificing their maternal feelings, for what? thanks for your comment. I so agree
That has got to be the singlemost hurtful and regretable thing for a woman to be denied having children when she wants them and it is inbuilt in our genetic makeup for most of us women to desire children even when we already have some. Its so cruel and heartless of these men to take that away from them. They have stolen a lot from many of their followers that can never be replaced
very correct this is what happens when we follow humans in an unquestioned way
A rude awakening after 57 yrs; . this along with other things coming to light...
This organization makes Jehovah out to be s cruel god, this cannot be the true religion
The True religion doesn’t skip
1900yrs. LoL
@@PInk77W1 lol 👍👍👍👍
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107) John VIII (872-882)
108) Marinus I (882-884)
109) St. Hadrian III (884-885)
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118) Leo V (903)
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121) Lando (913-914)
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128) Marinus II (942-946)
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154) Stephen IX (1057-1058)
155) Nicholas II (1059-1061)
156) Alexander II (1061-1073)
157) St. Gregory VII (1073-1085)
158) Bl. Victor III (1086-1087)
159) Bl. Urban II (1088-1099)
160) Paschal II (1099-1118)
161) Gelasius II (1118-1119)
162) Callistus II (1119-1124)
163) Honorius II (1124-1130)
164) Innocent II (1130-1143)
165) Celestine II (1143-1144)
166) Lucius II (1144-1145)
167) Bl. Eugene III (1145-1153)
168) Anastasius IV (1153-1154)
169) Hadrian IV (1154-1159)
170) Alexander III (1159-1181)
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178) Gregory IX (1227-1241)
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180) Innocent IV (1243-1254)
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186) Hadrian V (1276)
187) John XXI (1276-1277)
188) Nicholas III (1277-1280)
189) Martin IV (1281-1285)
190) Honorius IV (1285-1287)
191) Nicholas IV (1288-1292)
192) St. Celestine V (1294)
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195) Clement V (1305-1314)
196) John XXII (1316-1334)
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210) Pius II (1458-1464)
211) Paul II (1464-1471)
212) Sixtus IV (1471-1484)
213) Innocent VIII (1484-1492)
214) Alexander VI (1492-1503)
215) Pius III (1503)
216) Julius II (1503-1513)
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239) Clement X (1669-1676)
240) Bl. Innocent XI (1676-1689)
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242) Innocent XII (1691-1700)
243) Clement XI (1700-1721)
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245) Benedict XIII (1724-1730)
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258) Benedict XV (1914-1922)
259) Pius XI (1922-1939)
260) Pius XII (1939-1958)
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263) John Paul I (1978)
264) John Paul II (1978- 2005)
265) Benedict XVI (2005-2013)
266) Francis (2013-)
Return to the true Church. I’m becoming a Catholic. God bless you.
But then again, is there a true religion? I think all religions are bullshit.
hey Marcus how are you doing now since the layoffs. have you been able to find employment. I know how hard it is. I worked my whole life for my family until I was disfellowshiped for stupid reasons . long story. it's not been easy for me either. I hope you get ahead in life. I'm trying as you are to expose this cult. brotherly love Bryan bond
I worked at my previous company for 7 years. I was laid off in June 2009, but was given a check (lump sum) for 15 weeks of pay, six months of continued medical/dental/vision insurance and job search services. I also had about $16K in my 401K which was gone by May 2010 because I still had to pay my mortgage. But the bethelites who are let go have nothing! Yet, I am hearing that JWs are told to cut back on secular work. One would be a fool to do so. They will not take care of you! I am not giving up my job until I turn 66 and then I can retire. The reality is that one needs to have some money to fall back on.
They try to sell us the idea that Bethel is a spiritual paradise. I know you're being truthful because my best friend went to bethel in the late 90's and she was never the same. It seemed mysterious to me how she went to bethel Normal and came out "abnormal" and ended up being divorced at the end. Boy, I am glad I didn't get to go.
I remember 2 male friends who went to Bethel for a 3 month assignment....both came back after only 2 months. They seemed a little depressed and wouldn't talk about it. What the heck is going on there? These were 2 of the nerdiest super uber types. So I can't imagine they got into trouble...but hey...anything is possible.
If they telling you it’s a spiritual paradise then they’re very much wrong. There is no perfect church, they’re made of imperfect people.
A bit off topic comment but dude! That area is gorgeous!!!! I can imagine looking up and seeing STARS at night...and being able to take a walk without getting mugged. Beautiful!
*"WATCHTOWER STUDY"* And there's the problem right there. Not a BIBLE study but a *WATCHTOWER* study. As JT (Ex JWCritical Thinker) would say, *"Human opinion raised to divine status."* That' wt publications in a nutshell.
Wow you were the only one who truly believed and they did you this way. They are so wrong. Sorry you experienced this.
This insight is so great. Thank you for these videos
I am so sorry this happened to you and many other sincere people .We all have being full .
and no recompensate. no unemployment. Just kicked off the curb.
Thrown under the bus while they build themselves brand new offices and a paradise at Wallkill?
at Warwick
What on earth are these people going to put on their resumes? 20 year gaps in employment doesn't look too good. Smh😒
Thank you for this video. Wow....just wow.
Thanks for this! It was a fascinating look "inside".
It's so surprise to hear that an organization that claims to be. All about loving each other. That claim almost drawled me in. You exjws not only help those who are struggling with leaving or being out, you also help those who are looking for real love. After the sister heard I was listening to exjws on CZcams, she stopped calling. Thank you for that.
Thanx! Beautiful neighborhood.
What a sad and scary experience?
The analogy of "The Good Shepherd" always made me uncomfortable. The shepherd's job is to fleece you, have you killed and eat you. I wasn't going to mention what certain shepherds also do but there is no question that many former Bethalites are well and truly screwed.
Becoming a JW cost me a career in Chemistry, work I loved. I got out in time to salvage something of a career in electronics. Through hard work and a lot of luck, I landed on my feet.
Many of those brothers are looking at working until they die poor.
Blind men following blind men Amen
Wait, you just came back to your room one day and your items had been packed up?
Did they at least give you some gas money? Did they ask you for a forwarding address?
Wow Marcus, thanks for the insight into what happened there in NY Bethel. Appreciate it.
This is why they didn't want you to read Ray Franz's book or talk to apostates.
I really appreciate your videos great insight.
Thank you
Joe Rutherford said it best, "religion is a snare & a racket."
Thanks for doing this great video Marcus. I always thought of how deluded the GB is in equating themselves to God. How sorry I am to our friends in bethel who are fooled to give their time and strength. They are treated like a gum, after being chewed on and used all the sweetness and are benefited with the good scent, they will just be spitted out anywhere. I sincerely hope all the best for you and that you continue to make these wonderful and enlightening videos.
Very interesting thank you for sharing! God bless you...
whats really sad is why are there not more kicked out bethelites telling their stories...shows the control GB still has (this happened to Marcus a few years ago).
To me, Bethel seems like living in a high school, where instead of classrooms, people sleep in all the rooms. What a weird way to live.
how can the brothers and sisters in the congregations no speak up with a loud voice , stand up for truth and justice, iam truly sorry for those who gave all, and are now left in the cold ,
Wow! I wonder where the rest of those sisters and brothers are now? How many stayed in despite what happened?
Hoping you emtionally and pysically well. When did this all occur.Thanking you for your insiders information. I had alot of dealings with Sydney Bethel 15 years ago.Been free 3 years Which Bethel was this... New york or ?Im from Aus.All the best for your future.
Holy Smokes you sound like a young Morgan Freeman. Seriously, people, just listen to the audio with Freeman in mind. Dang.
so the sisters have to be submissive to their husbands decisions so, no children forecasted stay at bethel instead support husband he's in charge and sacrifice her maternal needs. then learn the bethel was a waste of time.
Love watching you 🙂
I enjoyed you're descriptive style. Its too bad that it had to take this level of bad treatment to awaken people, but sometimes, and unfortunately, the best lessons we learn in life come from the hardest experiences. I too had to endure a lot of trouble before I awakened to the truth about the religion into which I was born. The religion I was born into (Bible Students which was a sect that spun out of the Watchtower and are Russellites) also claimed to have the truth to, but it was all nonsense. I still am experiencing the consequences of having been born into an extreme religious sect even after many years of having been awkened. Consequences, and pain, that I could never have in a million years have foreseen. I can't actually think of any religion where men (in the rhetorical sense) aren't really the ones behind the scene pulling the strings. Its so sad the hear about people being so badly treated.
Peter Jeuck
Anyone who is a Russellite is at odds with Russell since he preached against being a Russellite.
rlctr.blogspot.com/2009/09/russels-comments-on-russellites-and.html
The only religion a faithful Bible Student believes in is Christianity; otherwise, they are into sectarianism, and sadly, sectarianism does exist among the Bible Students, even as sectarianism existed among first century Christians.
rlbibleresources.blogspot.com/2017/01/sectarianism.html
As to the Bible Students being "spun out of the Watchtower", I would perceive as being the other way around, that is, that the JW's Watchtower were spun out of the Bible Students under the leadership of Joseph Rutherford. The Bible Students, in other words, refused to join Rutherford's organization.
rlctr.blogspot.com/2016/12/bstudents-jws.html
I am not sure what in particular is meant by "it was all nonsense." Do you believe that it is nonsense to say that the only way to God is through Jesus? That is what the Bible says and it is what Russell taught; any Bible Student who is teaching some other way is falling short of being faithful to the Bible. Do you believe it is nonsense that Christ died for all? That is what the Bible says and that is what Brother Russell taught. Did you actually ever understand the Biblical basis for the ransom for all and the coming blessing of all the families of the earth?
ransomforall.blogspot.com/p/on-this-site.html
Many seem to accept this or that simply because Russell said it, or some elder said it. Again, Brother Russell preached against accepting anything simply because he (or anyone else) said it, and demanded that the Bible be the standard, not his books, etc.
rlctr.blogspot.com/2016/11/thebible.html
From what I have seen from your comments here and elsewhere, I woudl appear to me that perhaps you were never actually consecrated to God through Christ. If did claim to be consecrated, did you think of your consecration as being through or in association with what others did, or to others who might have tried to bind you to teachings beyond what is written? Did you think of the Bible Students as being a "religion" itself? Did you think of you consecration as being consecrated to Bible Students, as a "religion"? Sadly, there have been some among the Bible Students who try to do bind others beyond the Bible, even as there were some among the early Christians who tried to do the same thing. Being associated with the Bible Students does mean that one will not find errors and mistakes being done by individual Bible Students.
I love where you are walking, where is it?
Classic video. This is one historians can use for information in the future.
I have been laid off before I secular work.. Atleast I got paid a month worth of my income and they were not that mean.. I think bethelites drunk too much coolaid and put their faith in men... Who r the governing body needs this case. But karma is something else.. Nothing good will come out of it inthe end.. You do not treat another human being like that.. I thought they were the slaves..
I really enjoyed your honesty in this video! I hope you're going to be at the protest in Warwick next month!
Is there more information about this protest?
How long were you there Marcus? Do most Bethelites accept the "over-lapping generation" or what % would you say do? What is the main reason for the doubt? -The U.N. fiasco or the way child abuse cases are handled? Or, what is the main issue causing discord?
Proverbs 30:15-16 - The barren womb is never satisfied ------ strike one! Genesis 1:28 - Be fruitful and multiply --------- strike two! Yes, these things happen when man follows man!!!!! ------- strike three!!! ---------- May God bless you in your journey to THE TRUTH.
I don't know if this has been touched on in the comments but, being a former JW I find it VERY ironic that they often accuse other religions as being bullshit (which they are), and beating the "slaves of god" all the while gloating with pretentious certainty that those assholes are not doing the same.
I survived four layoffs. The last three were announced on a Friday. We were told that people would be fired Tuesday morning at 9:00. Have a nice weekend! At the first of the two layoffs, my colleague to the right of me was fired. At the next layoff, the person in front of me. The last, a colleague I worked closely with, was fired. It took 6 months or more every time for the department to get back on its feet. Even though I was not fired, it reduced my trust in the management every time.
thank you for sharing
I'm sorry that happened to you. There is no way God's true Organization or followers would treat people in this way. You are correct....this is what happens when one follows Men.
Tony celebrated this with 1000$ dollars of scotch wiskey !!!
My step son told that he was going to Bethel in 2003. I told him he was crazy to do that . I was not very popular at the meetings after that. I am a ex jw
Wow !
WatchTower has been having it's own internal Armaggedon !
Let's hope it shuts down soon.
Jesus took you out of the Jehovah’s Witnesses in order for you to become a messenger of real TRUTH.
Class Action Lawsuit. Before they restructure their finances. There seems to be a lot of activity going on in those departments.
I saw so much of the truth of the organization when I was active in the mid 1960's. The news came out about the fact that most of the Bethel house and Governing Body at that time were practicing homosexuals.
I lived in Ventura,Ca and there were dozens of Russell's original followers living there. They were very old at the time. Many high officials of the organization came there to avoid disfellowshipping and they basically overwhelmed the local congregations when they took control.
When the truth of who they were came out it was met with threats of disfellowshipping for any who passed the truth along or who questioned their past.
The lamest of excuses were soon accepted as the very light of Jehovah and the preparation for the end in 1975 pressed forward. The Governing Body came to Simi Valley, Ca (the society had a palace for the saints type of complex there) and a number of sisters from around the country were assigned to marry them.
Problem solved for the Society.
The only great spiritual action that came from all of that is that the GB decided to start disfellowshipping young boys who admitted to masturbating. I knew Elders who left the organization because of their outrage over that one.
Boy, I sure would love to see where that married couple is now!
The way things happen in this cruel organization, I believe the brother would have stayed back in the KH of his native origin and married another sister after divorcing his first wife. The sister would have left the organization and working secularly would perhaps still be single.
yo.. what's up marcus.. are u familiar with the parable of the wheat and the tares
I really enjoy your videos and I don't know where you live but it looks really nice and green.
That's Crazy!!! I would be done!!!!
I am so glad you “defected” from the borg because your bethel stories are amazing. Have you been interviewed by AltWorldly or Wally from ExJwStreams? I haven’t found your channel until recently and would love for more people to see your content
"Just Keep Quiet and Obey" 😡
So you were still at bethel after the cabin situation?
This story gives me chills. I feel for you bethelites. I've always been naïve. I would accept lies because they were told in well constructed sentences and would completely ignore things that felt totally wrong. Like the bethelites, my life was put on hold by the organisation. I would love to hear stories of ex bethelites and how they coped with the changes of returning back to work in this world. Back into reality. Its really hard not to resent an organization that continues to cause so much harm to people an the lives.
So what happened to the channeling bethel family???
I feel your pain
Jeremiah 17: 5 Jehovah says "cursed is the man who puts his trust in mere humans", so this scripture says it all.
ive been out for 20 yrs but one of my. use to be best friends who is now an elder has never been married no children. and he is almost 60. so many brothers and sisters dedicate there life only to find out they wasted everything.its very sad. much love for all who are still in this evil cult
God if I had stayed a JW I would be a childless spinster still I just know it, or really unhappily married to some JW git. I did not like any of the 'brothers' during my 20 years raised JW and I would not have liked them to be the boss of me! Funny but though devout marriage has never sat well with me. I could never picture myself married, even to a JW, I would always draw a blank. After I left I heard of people I knew marrying people we had been raised with, know since we were all kids, completely unsuited, but obviously horny, kickstarting their lives and making the most of a bad bunch. Thank God I chose from outside and had my children with the cleverest man I could meet. My children have amazing genes: fast metabolism and highly intelligent :). I would never have forgiven myself or the WT if I had been deprived of having children, they are the only good thing in my life
Didn't they have a round of layoffs around 2008?
good work