DJI ACTION 3 ND Filters GUIDE | WHY & HOW for CINEMATIC MOTION BLUR
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
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This tutorial provides a simple guide to why and how to use ND filters on the DJI Osmo Action 3 in order to achieve cinematic motion blur.
Table of Contents:
0:00 - Introduction
0:22 - Hardland
0:41 - Why use ND filters?
2:56 - The ND filters I use for the Action 3
4:03 - What do ND filters do and why are they needed?
5:43 - How to install an ND filter
8:00 - Action 3 settings needed for ND filter success
13:56 - Recap
14:20 - Sample footage using ND filters
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Finally someone acknowledges the Rocksteady “Shaky” “Jello” footage. It’s been driving me nuts and no CZcamsr seems to mention it in their reviews! I also reached out to DJI and they were like we don’t know 🤷🏻♂️ Thank you for this!
You’re welcome. I like to keep it real here. I buy all of my camera gear with my own money so that I can do so and have no obligations otherwise. I like to give all cameras a chance and I start off wanting to like each one and get the most out of each one.
@@GreatDayForAHike In my own tests turns out the lowest shutter for Rocksteady to work in 24p is 1/240. I know the 180 degrees rule for a cinematic look to double the shutter speed by the frames, but there is no other way for the Osmo 3 to make it work without jittery. Turns out the results are almost really good to my surprise. Normal motion blur, normal cinematic look, when exporting with the editing software you should choose Optical Flow render and everything is fine!!! Try it! Not all rules are permanent.
Thanks for sharing your results. That 1/240 shutter speed isn’t too bad of a trade off.
@@andreyrussimoff9103 just gave it a shot. Not bad. Not bad at all. Breath of fresh air! Thanks man! This has been driving me nuts! This has to be to be shared everywhere! I spent months trying to find a solution.
@@andreyrussimoff9103 Would you say that if mounted on a car it will be OK without stabilisation so that you can run with 180 rule? Or it would not be worth it 😬
Smooth and cinematic. The footage turned out good. You can definitely rely on the Action 3!
I’ll be getting ND filters for my Action 3. I’m taking notes. Thank you for this gem right here. Excited to film with my Action 3.
You’re welcome.
Thanks for sharing your expertise! Learned something today. That Action 3 seems to perform so well.
You’re welcome
Thanks for the info! Great video, keep them coming
I appreciate it!
Thank you for a great video and for doing the research on this. For someone that is just getting into this, your videos are a great resource. Keep up the great work. Subscribed 👍
I really appreciate your support!
Good video! I will be glad for another one for Gopro 11
Thank you! If you’re interested in ND filters on GoPros, I did create this video last year. czcams.com/video/BbrC8GCfLpo/video.html
Many thanks for your video. One question please: Is the stabilisation still working well with shutter say at 1/50 or 1/100 for example? many thanks!!
Excellent video as always your content is high quality I like how detailed you are and one more request can you do a video on editing all that video from the Osmo Action 3 what software you use and again thank you
I had wondered just how ND filters would suit the OA3 given best video is attained with bright daylight and they deplete that light.
Often time I pondered wether there was something else at play with poorly defined leaves on trees etc in lower light , not just a focus issue , if a focus at all.
The advent of each filter having the rotatable PL is a top idear . My mini 3 Pro footage with PL filter is a leap forward in colour and definition.
Good info and video , pleasant watch.
I appreciate your feedback. Yes, the footage on the Action 3 still isn’t all that great compared to the cameras of competitors such as the Hero 11 and Insta360 One RS. Yes, I sure do appreciate the PL filters. They are great.
Good information
Thank you.
You doing great work! Keep it up !🙏💪
I need help .. i filming a video from chest mount while im running in Sweden. I have 4k25/RS+ WB 5500 FOV ultra wide. What can i do to make it better ? Higher quality and less shaky. Would be greatfoul for answers.
You have the best explanation yet on settings! However i need to research how ISO comes into play, you gave a really wide rangemof recommended ISO settings. Thanks!😊
Thank you! ISO range depends a lot on environment and how much you want to fine tune your lighting. So it’s pretty flexible depending upon your preferences. Since with a static aperture and shutter speed your ISO fill be fine tuning the exposure triangle.
I watched 1000 videos all were useless. this video helped me. that's how u do. thanks a lot
I appreciate your feedback and am glad you found this helpful!
@@GreatDayForAHike I have one question I video seems blurry in the lights. Indoors in string lights lights makes things blurry any suggestions
@@lifeisanadventure1000 Do you have RockSteady turned on? If so, this would be why. Indoors is lower lighting and can affect the performance of RockSteady.
@@GreatDayForAHike yes. I always use Rock steady. Now I won’t.
But what about bright lights indoors. Even it’s bright
It’s blurry bec of lights too much light same setting in road is amazing
With low light if the shutter speed is not high enough (typically at least 1/192 is needed) this will introduce motion blur and RockSteady cannot work properly with too much motion blur/too low of a shutter speed. I recently explained this concept as it pertains to a GoPro in this video and the same principles apply with the Action 3 as well: czcams.com/video/e5Sx3s94syw/video.html
very good video! Im looking for to buy the action 3 for Mountainbiking and Motorcycling... for that I need the rockstady. What could be the best solution than without a gimbal ?or is there any at the moment because i would definitly want to use ND filters or doesent make it sense to youse them with rockstady on??
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Quick question, if I want to use an ND filter and shoot in 24fps, what should my shutter be if I also want to use Rocksteady?
Hey I have a question; when I see the videos in my pc from the camera, they are laggy and grainy. What could it be?
Great Video. If I'm not planning to use gimbal does that mean I pretty much shouldn't be using ND filters unless i'm 100% still? Can i just use the filters to reduce how much light enters without messing with the fps and shutter speed?
Also does the 180 degree rule also apply to the CPL filter? Hoping to get some nice videos of the sun, beach and water but I'll also be moving around. Thought these filters would be helpful :(
Just what i wanna ask... because of this video --> czcams.com/users/shortsfcU6_KX_UHA ... planning to buy Osmo Action 3 also and ND filters and use it in motovlogging and daily vlogs,.does this will effect my stabilization on Osmo Action 3? please someone answer us here :(
Great questions.
You can still use the ND filters if you’d like to force the Action 3 into using a bit longer of a shutter speed. Example: You film in 4K 30fps and set your ISO range at 100-200. With an ND filter on in bright light this will force the camera into a bit slower shutter speed to properly expose the footage (keep shutter at Auto). You can also keep RockSteady on provided you do not force the shutter speed to a value slower than about 1/192. When the shutter speed is slower than this the frames are not sharp enough for RockSteady to function properly.
The 180 degree rule would not be relevant with the CPL filter unless it is an ND and CPL combo. The CPL or PL is great for getting deeper colors and you can use this with RockSteady on and no need to adjust shutter speed.
Hope this answers your questions!
Really great video, question...if I wanted to use the ND filters while motovlogging, is it possible in anyway and still capture the cinematic look? Is there no setting that allows for RS on while achieving this look?
You could potentially do this. If your camera is securely mounted and doesn’t move this might work. When/if DJI makes the gyro data available in the footage from the Action 3 this will make stabilizing in post production possible as well.
Thanks for the video. Tell me please it is true that DJI Action 3 cameras produced before October 2022 are better that the previous ones? I want to buy one, but I don`t know how can I find out the production date.
You’re welcome. So there is this debate that is still raging as to whether or not the Action 3 has focus issues. Some say it doesn’t and some say it does. Some say it’s only older production months. Some say they are all the same. I will say I have purchased three different Action 3 cameras. One in September 2022, one on November 2022, and one in January 2023. Thus far with all three running the same, newest firmware update I do not notice any difference. I believe the production date may be stamped inside the battery bay on the camera but it is likely hard to see down into there to read it.
I mainly use my action 3 for recording motorcycle rides. And I need the RS on. Does that mean I can't use ND filters? Or do we have any workaround for this?
Great question. Unfortunately since the Action 3 does not have gyro data there isn’t really a workaround. You can still use ND filters of course but you would not be able to use the 180 degree shutter rule without RS making the footage have jitter and ghosting.
Great detail but what about the stabilisation when I have to use the nd filters while motovlogging? I certainly cannot use gimbal on a helmet
In this situation I recommend setting a static shutter speed of 1/240, turn Hypersmooth on to the standard mode, and then an ISO Min of 100 and ISO Max of 800. Then balance the exposure with the needed ND filter. Doing this will still give appealing motion blur even if it isn’t precisely the 180 degree shutter angle. A shutter speed of 1/240 will still allow Hypersmooth to function properly.
@@GreatDayForAHike thanks for this suggestion..will definitely try and let you know if it worked
So do you need a nd filter indoors or at darker areas as well for motion blur?
Motion blur relates strictly to shutter speed and having a slower shutter speed relative to frame rate. An ND filter is a tool that limits the light reaching your camera’s sensor. This then allows for slowing down the shutter speed to let in more light. Indoors and darker areas generally have low enough lighting that an ND filter is not needed in order to get a slower shutter speed.
Hi good morning and well done to the channel. I normally shoot fixed objects, that is scenery and travel videos of buildings etc. so motion blur in my opinion is not that important. If I leave the camera in auto and use nd filters will it effect the stability of the video.
Regards Saviour from Malta.
Thank you. If you’re shooting fixed objects than this should be fine and not cause an issue since there is not movement of the camera.
Is there a possibility to use manul shutter 1/100 but iso = auto?
Yes, you could do that. Using that shutter of 1/100 will work best with 50fps for your frame rate to fulfill the 180 degree rule.
the problem with cinematic motion blur is the need to use a gimbal for every shot, and having digital stabilization Off otherwise the footage will get really shaky. I've lost tons of footage because of this, since i don't have a gimbal hahaha so now i just set my shutter speed to 1/240, at 30 fps. No motion blur, but no shaky footage either, ever! xD
What i notice in the Action 3 is that it doesn't handle dynamic range well. Sometimes the shadows look too dark and the sky too bright 14:54 for example. Maybe bringing up the shadows in post would make it better? From what i've seen the Gopro handles this much better.
Yes, the GoPro overall handles dynamic range better and has better detail in the highlights and shadows. Also, the GoPro has gyroscope data so it makes it possible to use it without a gimbal and then stabilize in ReelSteady afterwards. The DJI Action 3 does not yet have gyroscope data available. Insta360 also offers gyroscope data. DJI should add that feature for the Action 3. It would increase the value of this camera.
Sorry if my question is dumb, but if you wanna lower the shutter but dont wanna blow up the highlights, why dont you just lower the exposure instead of using a nd filter?
Thanks for asking. You could theoretically do this but in most cases the EV comp offset would likely not be enough.
I was curious and looked up the NTSC standard which is 29.97 (30) FPS, PAL is 25 FPS. So I was a little confused when you said NTSC was 24. Can you ellaborate?
You are correct in that NTSC is 29.97. NTSC and PAL are TV broadcast standards. Cinematic video is generally shot at 23.97 fps.
23.976fps is used in NTSC regions. This frame rate is a derivative of the broadcast 29.98fps standard, which was created when color TV was invented to prevent the chroma signal from interfering with the audio. So yes I could have clarified a bit more on that 😃
I bought DJI OA3 5days ago and I just want to ask you what type of sdcard should I buy that can suit on my action cam sir.
I recommend the SanDisk Extreme MicroSD card.
@@GreatDayForAHike thanks sir. 256gb or 64gb?
I use the 256GB model. This one: amzn.to/3DGT0Sy
Does the Stabilisation works with ND Filter on?
Most of the time, no, because the shutter speed is generally going to be too low. Without those crisp, clear , sharp frames the EIS on this camera will not be able to properly stabilize the footage without a jittery appearance and artifacts. If the lighting allows for manually setting the shutter speed to about 1/100 for 24 fps, 1/120 for 30 fps, and 1/200 for 60fps the stabilization will then tend to work better. However, the main reason to use an ND filter is for the 180 degree rule in order to get motion blur in footage. Therefore, setting the shutter speed to a value higher than twice the frame rate would negate this benefit.
Ok thank you.Was thinking about to buy ND Filter for my Insta 360 one RS too.Allready have a Set of Freewell Filters for my Drone and just like the Motion Blur and more cinematic looking colours.But a Drone has a Gimbal Stabilisation obviously😅 Well maybe one day Action Cam's will get optical stabilisation. Cheers
Yes, I’d love to have that optical stabilization added to action cameras.
Gyro data has just been added to the DJI Action 2, so we can likely expect to get this in the Action 3 soon in one of the next firmware updates.
Hoping so!
Is there any update about this problem? Is it possible now?
No gyro data yet from DJI on the Action 3.
@@GreatDayForAHike You're doing something wrong then. Because gyro data has been implemented in both the DJI Osmo Action 3 and Action 2 in firmware in the last releases. It's available now.
Gyro data was made available in the Action 2. However, I do not see any indication of this being available in the Action 3. Care to share a link where DJI states this is now available on the Action 3?
Bummer on the stabilization being unusable when lowering the Shutter Speed, I use the original Osmo Action with NDs and the stabilization is good even at 1/50
You could still test it out and see if it works for you. It didn’t for me but even without NDs I don’t like the algorithm on the stabilization as much on the Action 3 as the original Osmo Action. It seems more wobbly unfortunately.
¿que configuración usaste en tu cámara?
Check out the video at 8:00 where I show these settings.
pff... if image stabiliser (RockStrady) does not work with ND, fck that "cinematic motion blur".
Yeah it’s about how much you want that effect or not. It’s a trade-off and more steps/work to get it with an action camera.
how about waterproofing? I suppose I can't just expect the new ND filter lens to be water-tight up to.. whatever 12 or 18m Action4 claims to be?