I rather figured once I saw the lights looked red you would need a blue filter for them. It seems a big task, but when broken down it is all simple. I don’t do much underwater, but something like this video would be essential for all underwater videographers to watch. Thank you for posting it!
I’ve read about the use of a red filter when performing underwater photography, but the use of similarly filtered white light at varying depths as well as actual footage illustrating the concepts was all new and very informative. Great video, and manta rays 👍🏼
This is really beautiful photography and I appreciate you bringing the beauty of the underwater environment to everyone. I was a little disappointed to see diver/photographers standing on the bottom and placing their hands on the rocks to get their shots. Almost everythingunderwater has life of one kind or another living on it. And while the damage may be small individually it can add up to the death by 1000 cuts scenario. Those who love the ocean enough to make beautiful images should consider their impact. There are already enough other threats to these beautiful and fragile ecosystems, they don't need any more from us. Adjust your bouyancy.
I keep coming back to watch this video. Going to meet a friend and he is going to help me add some filter material to my lights. The very last bit in your video what is the music please?
Impressive video; it would seem that their is no correct filter for a set depth as the composition of the water algae content (greening), sediment comtent will also come into play. Would it not be more funtional & easier to try to achieve finished video colouring in post, usind a combination of white balancing, tint & split toning?
@@BehindtheMask I love the videos you do, and thr quality is really stunning, but it's completelly out of price range for the vast majority of scuba divers. It would be awesome if you could do how to get best results with an action cam and basic lighting, or which video lights, video cameras and housings should a pauper videographer aim for. Keep up the good job!
A great and informative video, im juat about to add lights to my underwater camera, so this video has helped me a lot. Am I correct in thinking I need a blue filter for the lights? The footage of the manta is so incredible. Its on my bucket list
Hey, don't laugh! I don't have $5K+ to spend on DSLR equipment. Trust me. I would LOVE to have some great underwater equipment! 😀 At the moment I just have to stick with my crappy little O.P. 😢
Awesome, thanks for that advice! I wonder however what is best... Custom WB (calibrating the WB, UW) vs Ambiant WB ? And I wonder if you can use the internal WB correction toward A(red) instead of the red filter?? What would happen with this Keldan lights and its proper uw-filters? A great thanks for your answer and many thanks for your tutos!!! Hug ;)
I don't know that, but I am new to recording under water. I will admit I have not gone very deep underwater. I went to devil's dens (snorkeling). Wow, I love the color correction with red filter.
So if I understand correctly, you do the white balance with the lights off and them turn them on? Even if you don't have the filters in the camara and in the lights?
If you're just trying to color correct a few photos, you can do a lot after the fact by taking the raw format image, pull it into a photo editiring program and set white balance from there. If your program has the ability to set white balance by you selecting a pixel in the image which should be white, even better! You could take a white card with you and put that into the edge of the frame. Of course, it's always better to just correct it with filters while filming, if possible.
Hi! I am really interested in the gear you used so I clicked the link to your kit but it seems like there is some problems. The tab says Page Not Found. Can you look into it? I am a scuba diver and really wanna do underwater shoot. It would greatly help me in improving. Thanks!
Red filters are used to counter balance the complementary colour to blue, which is red. But when you illuminate something underwater with artificial light it looks normal and doesn't need to be balanced anymore so it will appear red when you use the red filter on the lens. So again we need to balance out the artificial light again to counterbalance the red from the filter. So if we only used the light and no red filter, only the things you illuminate with the artifical light would look normal but not the stuff further away. It would still look too blue. So the combination of the light and filters demonstrated in the video balances out everything. Yay!
This video is an advertisement for Keldan's lights and filters. I actually looked at this system but one of the knocks on it was that by adding the filters you are dramatically diminishing your lights lumen output. Have you done any comparisons with regards to lights/filters compared to lights/manual white balance? What loss do you see in lumens and output?
i dont own keldan lights and as far as ive seen they dont sell those filters in an adaptable form. is it possible to use color correction gels intended for normal photography? (CTB corrections? (color temperature blue)
Are you doing the white balance before attaching the red filter? If so, does this mean you need to remove this red filter everytime you do a white balance, then re attach it?
The video is very instructive, however, not everyone has the means to record with color correction. I am not a professional in video editing and it has not cost me anything to correct the tone, I have taken part of this video, the part where the images are very bluish and simply with a color correction in Adobe Premiere, recovering reds, making a white balance and contrasting, an image similar to that achieved with the red filter added to the camera. I say it for those who are thinking that the way of recording so professional is not within their reach.
I would like to add filters for my lights but definitely can't afford the Keldan lights. We were thinking of getting the Orcatorch or scubalamp. My question is, are the filters for the lights you discuss universal or only Keldan? Could I find similar filters for any set of lights?
Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm a beginner at underwater video. He says in this video that the White Balance needs to be correctly set. So should I set the white balance with ambient light, and then turn on the lights? Or set it with the shining lights on my WB target? Please help!
Depending on the filter you're losing anywhere from 2 to 4 stops of light. What would the advantages be over shooting at 5600K wb with daylight lights and color correcting in post?
The spectrum filter just helps the cam to perform a good white balance. If you do a WB at 5600, which matches the lights ... the parts of the picture where that light doesn't hit have a completely different color temperature. You end up with a mixed light situation. There is no way to correct that in post. Loosing 2-4 stops can be a pain also, but is most of the time better workable than funny colors.
@@BehindtheMask Valid point about the mixed light. But then why not just correct the lights and keep the red off the camera to save some ISO noise? Also do you think we'll see multi-color LED lights underwater to avoid having to deal with filters at all?
@@theadventureagency531 The reproduction capability of color under water varies from camera to camera. You would need to go way up with the color temperature. Sony Alpha Cameras for example can't even do that at all. The filter basically gets the Wb back to a more common number. It helps the camera to optically have the whole spectrum available rather than making up the color digitally. Yes, I expect to have multicolor Lights anytime sooner or later. Would help a great deal.
I see from the comment that you understand the concepts of video recording, surely you will also understand about color correction in post-production, instead of explaining it to me, you better watch the video that I indicated and see how it is corrected. Regards. czcams.com/video/gIwy8jKgZo0/video.html
It depends. We usually shoot with a 18-35mm Sigma Art in combination with the Nautical Wide Angle Converter Port with a 0.36 conversion on a RED. Cheers
Hello@@BehindtheMask, I am looking to get one of the Keldan filters to shoot wide angle. I mostly dive in the tropics in South East Asia. Keldan have three different depth rating red filters and I was just wanting to get one for the moment. Would you be able to recommend one that is the most suitable across the varying depths? I was assuming the deepest one would be best to get as it is probably has the most impact and would work well deep but also still work well in shallow waters with a manual WB? Because the shallow one would be good in the shallows and poor in the deep waters?? Does that make sense? Any advise would be much appreciated! Thanks
@@djpwanderlustproductions2980 Hey ... easy. Take the middle one. We almost use this one all the time because it can easily go from 5 to 25 meters. If you take the deep you loose too much light ... the shallow one is not enough for the standard depth.
So the trick here is foreground vs background? Because when I use lights, I take the red filter off, but then ofcourse only the lighted subjects are correct and the background is still blue. With the blue filters on the lights, you can keep the red filter on AND have lights, correct?
@@CalebRCN its a bit tricky, because you can not screw a filter in front of the lens. We have been using a special filter-foil that we have put between the camera and the lens. We got this filter directly from Keldan. Maybe you can ask them if you need it.
Caleb Navarro you cut a small piece of red filter the size of the back of lens. Then VERY carefully tape it, NOT touching the metal contacts. Then hope and pray you don’t get dust or anything on sensor. It’s like surgery.
well are you not supposed to remove the red filter from the camera when using light ? pretty sure thats why Everything looks so red when filming under the ledge combined with the lights being turned on. what i mean is, if you dont use a red filter with the lights turned on, and auto whitebalance, colours would look the same as when you use the filter on the keldan lights.
I think what Florian is saying is, the idea of keeping the red-filter on is to still get some red back in the background, where the lights will have no effect. That's why he's using the Keldan lights with a blue-filter.
Do you watch a video about saturation divers and say "all you need is a 2 million euro boat"? there are many videos about gopro filming...go check them out
I learned more in this 8 min video than I have in several months of trial and error.
Wow, this is one of the best videos on underwater water photography that I have ever viewed.
Really great video - I spend a lot of time correcting via color grading to try to get close - this is wonderful
The final footage is pure poetry, really moving. I wish I could have such an encounter ❤
Unforgettable for sure..
Just amazing the little things to make the scene perfect
The best video explaining white balance underwater
I rather figured once I saw the lights looked red you would need a blue filter for them. It seems a big task, but when broken down it is all simple. I don’t do much underwater, but something like this video would be essential for all underwater videographers to watch. Thank you for posting it!
Immer wieder schön anzusehen, was ihr da macht 👍🏻
Very informative thank you for the pro tips.
I’ve read about the use of a red filter when performing underwater photography, but the use of similarly filtered white light at varying depths as well as actual footage illustrating the concepts was all new and very informative. Great video, and manta rays 👍🏼
Brilliant video, thank you so much.
Excelente vídeo. Parabéns!
Can hear the fish chatting to each other, cool👍
This made so much sense of something I was really struggling to understand. Thank you SO much.
That is so pretty!!!!
under surface things are awsome. Cool.
Thank you! This is very informative and useful!
Thanks, Florian for bringing a complex topic down to the basics. Guess it's still a tough challenge to always get this properly.
Thanks ... Its actually pretty easy once understood :-)
brilliant, thank you
thank you, brilliant info.
Beautiful. Thank you for this. Now I need to get some lights.
Thank you for your amazing content ❤️
Beautiful! Compliments!
great video, thanks !
So Logical if it's explained that perfect, like in your Video ! Congrats and thanks a lot!
excellent jobs....thanks
This is a classy video. Well done.
Very thorough video. Thanks for this!
Amazing stuff!
😀 Awesome video !! Thanks for sharing it !!
super informative!! Vielen dank und Aloha von Oahu!!
Awesome share thank you!
Thank you
I love those two fish in the end going for a ride
Excellent clip 👍
Very useful information. Thanks
Very helpful. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Good video keldan the way to go
24mm 1.4,,,,, lovely lens sir
Great video bud 👌🏼
Eish u guys ar too much...wish u all the best guys well done keep it up 💜💕💖
Amazing video man, great balance of the colours. Can you please inform what frame rate and resolution you used for this particular video ?
Great information and fantastic footage, thank you. Hope to get more into underwater videography in the near future! 🤓
I'm not a photographer. But I found it interesting and informative. 🙂
really cool vid :)
This is really beautiful photography and I appreciate you bringing the beauty of the underwater environment to everyone. I was a little disappointed to see diver/photographers standing on the bottom and placing their hands on the rocks to get their shots. Almost everythingunderwater has life of one kind or another living on it. And while the damage may be small individually it can add up to the death by 1000 cuts scenario. Those who love the ocean enough to make beautiful images should consider their impact. There are already enough other threats to these beautiful and fragile ecosystems, they don't need any more from us. Adjust your bouyancy.
I keep coming back to watch this video. Going to meet a friend and he is going to help me add some filter material to my lights. The very last bit in your video what is the music please?
That's actually awesome. 8 years later - is this still the technique you use?
Incredible footage of the manta ray!
I could hear a squeaking or chirping during that final scene. What was making that noise?
Impressive video; it would seem that their is no correct filter for a set depth as the composition of the water algae content (greening), sediment comtent will also come into play. Would it not be more funtional & easier to try to achieve finished video colouring in post, usind a combination of white balancing, tint & split toning?
It would be awesome if you could do a "Dive videographer con a budget" video.
Good idea Alvaro let us think about it...
@@BehindtheMask I love the videos you do, and thr quality is really stunning, but it's completelly out of price range for the vast majority of scuba divers.
It would be awesome if you could do how to get best results with an action cam and basic lighting, or which video lights, video cameras and housings should a pauper videographer aim for.
Keep up the good job!
New tutorials up here on the btm channel ;)
Beautiful, and very instructive. If you are still online here 4 years later -- do you put the red filter on before you white balance? or ... ?
A great and informative video, im juat about to add lights to my underwater camera, so this video has helped me a lot. Am I correct in thinking I need a blue filter for the lights? The footage of the manta is so incredible. Its on my bucket list
Now if I could just get a red filter for my DJI Osmo Pocket! Great footage!
Hey, don't laugh! I don't have $5K+ to spend on DSLR equipment. Trust me. I would LOVE to have some great underwater equipment! 😀 At the moment I just have to stick with my crappy little O.P. 😢
Great video. The link on the gear used doesn't work, would you clarify what lens and dome were used on the GH5 here?
excellent video!! which filter you are uses on this video 6B or 12B??
Awesome, thanks for that advice! I wonder however what is best... Custom WB (calibrating the WB, UW) vs Ambiant WB ? And I wonder if you can use the internal WB correction toward A(red) instead of the red filter?? What would happen with this Keldan lights and its proper uw-filters? A great thanks for your answer and many thanks for your tutos!!! Hug ;)
I don't know that, but I am new to recording under water.
I will admit I have not gone very deep underwater. I went to devil's dens (snorkeling).
Wow, I love the color correction with red filter.
How are you creating the fish sound?
Great video! Is there any light you can recommend with budget friendlier price?
do you need a filter for every kind of flashlights or is there some that already comes with the filter?
I mog your dialect ... Grüße aus Kirchheim Teck nach Stuttgart. Ich kenne Euch noch von Vimeo-Zeiten ... Klasse Video.
So if I understand correctly, you do the white balance with the lights off and them turn them on? Even if you don't have the filters in the camara and in the lights?
If you're just trying to color correct a few photos, you can do a lot after the fact by taking the raw format image, pull it into a photo editiring program and set white balance from there. If your program has the ability to set white balance by you selecting a pixel in the image which should be white, even better! You could take a white card with you and put that into the edge of the frame. Of course, it's always better to just correct it with filters while filming, if possible.
Hi! I am really interested in the gear you used so I clicked the link to your kit but it seems like there is some problems. The tab says Page Not Found. Can you look into it? I am a scuba diver and really wanna do underwater shoot. It would greatly help me in improving. Thanks!
My Sony action cam x3000 does this automatically with or without a dive light and adjusts the red color accordingly!
Do you recommend a camera under 250 us for snorkelling??!
what is that ball at center of fish
Thanks for film, What if do not use lens filter and only light with light filter?
Red filters are used to counter balance the complementary colour to blue, which is red. But when you illuminate something underwater with artificial light it looks normal and doesn't need to be balanced anymore so it will appear red when you use the red filter on the lens. So again we need to balance out the artificial light again to counterbalance the red from the filter. So if we only used the light and no red filter, only the things you illuminate with the artifical light would look normal but not the stuff further away. It would still look too blue. So the combination of the light and filters demonstrated in the video balances out everything. Yay!
This video is an advertisement for Keldan's lights and filters. I actually looked at this system but one of the knocks on it was that by adding the filters you are dramatically diminishing your lights lumen output. Have you done any comparisons with regards to lights/filters compared to lights/manual white balance? What loss do you see in lumens and output?
i dont own keldan lights and as far as ive seen they dont sell those filters in an adaptable form.
is it possible to use color correction gels intended for normal photography? (CTB corrections? (color temperature blue)
Are you doing the white balance before attaching the red filter? If so, does this mean you need to remove this red filter everytime you do a white balance, then re attach it?
Which camera did you use in this video (in the Nauticam housing) ?
the link to see what kit you're using doesn't work, could you please link the items?
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What camera you use
Wait you said use a red filter on my lens and also red filter on my lights? Then set white balance on the camera with those filters on?
Can I not just make another manual WB with the red filter and the light on at the same time?
What the name of the red filter you use?
What would happen if you didn't have a filter over the lens, but a colored light?
The video is very instructive, however, not everyone has the means to record with color correction.
I am not a professional in video editing and it has not cost me anything to correct the tone, I have taken part of this video, the part where the images are very bluish and simply with a color correction in Adobe Premiere, recovering reds, making a white balance and contrasting, an image similar to that achieved with the red filter added to the camera. I say it for those who are thinking that the way of recording so professional is not within their reach.
Insane.. I wish I had understood something of what you said
It takes time!
@@BehindtheMask yeah, this is very worthy, tho
how bout with a gopro?
i believe i spider its i nice video
👍🏻
I would like to add filters for my lights but definitely can't afford the Keldan lights. We were thinking of getting the Orcatorch or scubalamp. My question is, are the filters for the lights you discuss universal or only Keldan? Could I find similar filters for any set of lights?
Good question, I ask me the same
Were those fish making that noise at the end?
lol, now I just need the dinero to afford 4 of those giant keldans
Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm a beginner at underwater video. He says in this video that the White Balance needs to be correctly set. So should I set the white balance with ambient light, and then turn on the lights? Or set it with the shining lights on my WB target? Please help!
Set the WB with ambient light, then pop the appropriate blue filter onto the lights to match.
Depending on the filter you're losing anywhere from 2 to 4 stops of light. What would the advantages be over shooting at 5600K wb with daylight lights and color correcting in post?
The spectrum filter just helps the cam to perform a good white balance. If you do a WB at 5600, which matches the lights ... the parts of the picture where that light doesn't hit have a completely different color temperature. You end up with a mixed light situation. There is no way to correct that in post. Loosing 2-4 stops can be a pain also, but is most of the time better workable than funny colors.
@@BehindtheMask Valid point about the mixed light. But then why not just correct the lights and keep the red off the camera to save some ISO noise? Also do you think we'll see multi-color LED lights underwater to avoid having to deal with filters at all?
@@theadventureagency531 The reproduction capability of color under water varies from camera to camera. You would need to go way up with the color temperature. Sony Alpha Cameras for example can't even do that at all. The filter basically gets the Wb back to a more common number. It helps the camera to optically have the whole spectrum available rather than making up the color digitally.
Yes, I expect to have multicolor Lights anytime sooner or later. Would help a great deal.
I see from the comment that you understand the concepts of video recording, surely you will also understand about color correction in post-production, instead of explaining it to me, you better watch the video that I indicated and see how it is corrected. Regards. czcams.com/video/gIwy8jKgZo0/video.html
Do you commonly use a canon 24mm f1.4 lens for your wide angle stuff please?
It depends. We usually shoot with a 18-35mm Sigma Art in combination with the Nautical Wide Angle Converter Port with a 0.36 conversion on a RED. Cheers
Hello@@BehindtheMask, I am looking to get one of the Keldan filters to shoot wide angle. I mostly dive in the tropics in South East Asia. Keldan have three different depth rating red filters and I was just wanting to get one for the moment. Would you be able to recommend one that is the most suitable across the varying depths? I was assuming the deepest one would be best to get as it is probably has the most impact and would work well deep but also still work well in shallow waters with a manual WB? Because the shallow one would be good in the shallows and poor in the deep waters?? Does that make sense? Any advise would be much appreciated! Thanks
@@djpwanderlustproductions2980 Hey ... easy. Take the middle one. We almost use this one all the time because it can easily go from 5 to 25 meters. If you take the deep you loose too much light ... the shallow one is not enough for the standard depth.
Behind the Mask you LEGENDS!! Thanks for that! Much appreciated.
So the trick here is foreground vs background? Because when I use lights, I take the red filter off, but then ofcourse only the lighted subjects are correct and the background is still blue. With the blue filters on the lights, you can keep the red filter on AND have lights, correct?
Yes!
@@BehindtheMask Manual white balance always with lights off ?
So there are no underwater lights with colour temperature adjustment knob WTF:
Can you use these filters with a GoPro camera.
If you use Keldan lights with your GoPro, then it does make sense indeed
I have a filter on my dive housing for my go pro. Works great.
Is the sound at the last video original. Sound weird.
No, it was added. I've been this close to manta rays and they don't make a wooshing sound.
What camera are you using to film the sharks?
Hey ... it was a Panasonic GH5. regards
Behind the Mask thanks for the quick answer
@@BehindtheMask Hi, how to put red filter on 7 14 pana ? I have a 7 14 oly .. Thanks for your advices..
@@CalebRCN its a bit tricky, because you can not screw a filter in front of the lens. We have been using a special filter-foil that we have put between the camera and the lens. We got this filter directly from Keldan. Maybe you can ask them if you need it.
Caleb Navarro you cut a small piece of red filter the size of the back of lens. Then VERY carefully tape it, NOT touching the metal contacts. Then hope and pray you don’t get dust or anything on sensor. It’s like surgery.
So in essence… red filter on the camera and then blue filter on the ambient light due to the colour differential and voila..
E[CELLENT!!!!!
well are you not supposed to remove the red filter from the camera when using light ?
pretty sure thats why Everything looks so red when filming under the ledge combined with the lights being turned on.
what i mean is, if you dont use a red filter with the lights turned on, and auto whitebalance, colours would look the same as when you use the filter on the keldan lights.
Stefan Karpinski I was thinking the same thing
I think what Florian is saying is, the idea of keeping the red-filter on is to still get some red back in the background, where the lights will have no effect. That's why he's using the Keldan lights with a blue-filter.
@@bugsandbears might be 👌
All you have to do is spend $10,000 on a camera, lens, housing and lights, and your video can look just like this!
Or you just need a gopro and premiere pro (cracked on would work)
Do you watch a video about saturation divers and say "all you need is a 2 million euro boat"? there are many videos about gopro filming...go check them out
All you need is great race car to win the Le Mans.
Hold my beer!
More than that if you really want to get crazy lol