Who is the real 17th Karmappa
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- Who is the Karmapa?
Karmapa means the embodiment of all the activities of the buddhas, or the one who carries out buddha-activity. In the Tibetan tradition, great enlightened teachers are said to be able to consciously control their rebirth in order to continue their activity for the benefit of all sentient beings. On this page we will give you an overview of the Karmapa lineage, and a brief introduction to the life and many activities of the present Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje.
The first Karmapa, Dusum Khyenpa, was born in 1110. He was the first of the great Tibetan masters to establish an incarnating lineage. Since his death in 1193, successive Karmapas have incarnated in this form of manifestation body (Skt. nirmanakaya), for sixteen lifetimes so far, and all have played a most important role in preserving and promulgating the Buddhist teachings of Tibet.
Prior to the birth of the first Karmapa, the arrival of a Buddhist master, who would be known as the Karmapa, had been prophesied by the historical Buddha Shakyamuni and the great tantric master of India, Guru Padmasambhava.
Throughout the centuries, Karmapas have been the central figure in the continuation of the vajrayana lineage in general and the Kagyu lineage in particular, and have played a very important role in the preservation of the study and practice lineages of Buddhism.
There is no doubt that Orgen thrinlay Dorjee is the Karmapa declared and recognised by HH the Dalai Lama, the spiritual head of Tibet and also by all eminent lamas.
And also got official recognize from Beijing central government
True . We believe Ogyen Thinley dorjee because he was recognised by HH 14th Dalai Lama .
Recognised by Shamar Rinpoche who is the one with that responsability.
@@traceler 😅🤣😂😆 r u joking me who is shemar rinpochey my ligpa😆😆
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big position has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different ❤❤❤❤❤
For me the two are karmapa.. Because their teaching is about wisdom... Because it's important that what kind of teaching they r giving us who is it's doesn't matter... The way of buddha teaching is important ❤..
my man , gets it,, well done,,, that is 100% correct yes.
Long life HH Gyelwang Karmapa Ugyen Thinley Dorjee
His Holiness The 16th Karmapa’s hat has a dark blue color. Long live His Holiness the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Thrinley Dorje.
We tibetan are ok with both as both Carrie's dharma.
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different
Long Live H.H.17th The Gyalwang Karmapa Urgen Thinley Dorjee Rinpo Chey…🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different
17 Karmapa Urgen thinley dorjee long live 🙏🙏🙏
I really missed his holiness samar Rinpochela, I iam one of the greatest devote of his holiness..I miss his holiness smile and there was so much of positivity in his holiness ❤❤❤❤😢
me too, he was a great bodhisattva! btw -i hope you've seen the joint statement! Shamar's 15th incarnation will be recognized soon and our lineage will heal!
Long live H.H the Ugyen Trinley Dorjee 🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐💐🙏🙏🙏Karmapa Khenno 🙏🙏🙏
Beside my personal appreciation of his Holiness the 14. Dalai Lama from a distance it seemes obvious, that since the 1960s the tibetan government had the plan to unify the 4 main sects of tibetan Buddhism under Gelug leadership, which culminated in the death of Gungthang Tsultrim and didnt succeed mainly because of the resistance of the 16. Karmapa. I think a prerequisite for this plan was the banning of the sectarian wordly spirit dorje shugden. The paranirvana of the 16. Karmapa brought a second chance for expanding the dominance of the gelug sect by recognising and binding Orgyen Trinley Dorje, which also in the end didnt work well. Orgyen Trinley Dorje, who might be an Tulku, is clearly brought in the wrong position by the means of tibetan politics. The rivalry of the Gelug and Karma Kagyü sect has a long tradition, already after the paranirvana of the 15 th Karmapa, the 13 th Dalai Lama propagated a wrong candidate for the rebirth of the 16. Karmapa.
Of course, no doubt. His Holiness The Gyalwang Ogyen Thinley Dorjee. ❤
It is Shamar Rinpoche responsability to identify reincarnation.
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different ❤❤❤❤
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you think there is a come back from rape. fathering a child from rape and made KTD pay over 10 million $.
There s no coming back for OTD.
Ges on the for sex abuse and was on the lam from India for tax evasion. He's a fake..
@@traceler have you watched H.H ogyen thinley dorjee’s documentary.? There Dalai Lama has clearly said that he saw a dream about where Karmapa was born and that happens to be the place where Tibetan karmapa, oygen thinley dorjee was born , and situ rinpoche who was very closed to 16th Karmapa identified the reincarnation but ofc I believe in both. Long live the karmapas
The Buddha said, "Be a lamp unto yourself." That means we each must find our own way by our own practice. Whether someone else is a tulku or not should not change our practice. May all beings find happiness and liberation.
I believe in both karmpas 🙏✨ lets say mind & speech.
It doesn't matter who is real or not as long as they're carrying dharma activities in order to benefit all beings. 🙏✨
I AM TIBETAN .N I AGREE WITH YOU.
Sure
The 16th Karmapa is my root Guru. I have always said that the true Karmapa candidate will be determined by their Buddha activities.
OTD whose, non dharmic behaviors
has spoken like a loud all pervasive, lions roar. You can be trained and pretend to be the 17th Karmapa, even look like a one, but if you behave like a spoiled millionaire,, money drunk, " king" who breaks every samaya vow, that is certainly not the 17th Karmapa. Karmapa would not have to 7 million plus $ and that's just we kniw
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Thats interesting the money aspect if sharing then thats a good thing isnt it its only if its stacked and not spent on the things that is needed in His community or who ever can benefit from His generous nature ❤😂who knows what the purposes are a small mind is stuck believe me Iam talking from experience so lets all jump outside the box hey ?. ? And widen our perspective HURAY !,! OMMANIPADMEHUM x3 ❤️❤️❤️🌈🌈🌈☔️☔️☔️🙏🙏🙏🌹☸️☮️💟🛐🇳🇿🇮🇩🇺🇦🥰🙏🙏🙏
Everyone has their own devotion, don't conclude here saying who is real and who is fake... Go through Shamar Rinpoche's interview once. Karmapa's controversy is far more deep which we humen have not that abilities to understand.
Karmapa khenno, may the Karmapa lineage live forever🙏🙏🙏
This is definitely a dual incarnation, Karmapa reincarnated in 2 bodies , this is understandable because of Tibetan and chinese politics , i have had the good fortune to meet with Orgyen Thrinley Dorjee twice, was a good experience. 🙏
Soul can't divide
Tashi delek thanks 🙏 story very important I am very longtime thing story and words good tibetan story right ✅ 100 percent right 🙏💟I love indian support
Never seen the video on this topic before......nicely done..... only few things need to be corrected. The oldest schools / lineages are Nyingma, Sakya, Kagyu and Gelug. Tai Situpa Rinpoche is 70 years old. People should also watch about Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche's previous life will get to know more about Karmapa Orgyen Thrinle Dorje. He knows everything even in his very young age in Tibet. He helped in the search of Jamgon Kongtrul reincarnation lama. I've heard the 16th Karmapa flying hat story but never heard of rainbow body......Indeed, He is very powerful. 🙏
Please bring more videos related to the 16th Karmapa.
Karmapa Chenno 🙏🙏🙏🌷🌷🌷☸️🕉️
Thaye,Dorje, is a good father, and a good husband, but- -, -
I follow both H. H. Gyalwa Karmapa 💐🙏🏿🌸🙏🌺🙏🏻🌹🙏🎁🙏🏻💐🙏🏽🌸🙏🏻🎁🙏💐🙏🏽💐
Long live His Holiness the 17th karmapa Thinley theye dorjee
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Long live His Holiness Gyalwa Kamapa Ogyen Thinlay Dorjey Rinpoche and His Holiness Gyalwa Karmapa Thinle Thayes Dorje Rinpoche for every Buddhist and specially for precious Kagyu lineages.
Whoever the Karmapa is, we should not judge or compare. We must not identify us self with anyone of them. Our nature is to love and spread more love. Even in Buddhism there are fight, ego, anger, ignorance and all the negative emotions. These negative (claiming power and authority) things should not happen if we are practicing Buddhism
The face structure of Ugen Trinley Dorjee and 16th Karmapa young face are very much similar which make us believe the real one
I mean if both of them could guide beings than that is good for us ; and if one of them can prove to be effective then it is good too. But the problem is they fail to lead beings to better place . Now the title karmapa comes with lots of history and responsibility; and I hope they both can upheld that legacy . As a Tibetan, I will always go by the recognition of HH the Dalai Lama and that does not mean other one should be denigrated. I pray both succeed the legacy .
I think you’re right after all , there must be a reason for 2 karmapa
Urgen Thinley Dorjee 🙏🙏🙏
Namo Buddhay. There's was a movie...A Rinpoche was incarcerated into 3 persons... Hence, Karmapa Khenno maybe reincarnated into 2 persons. Both are doing great in Buddha's teachings. Compassion, kindness, helpful loving....etc.. I respect Both Karmapa Khenno.🙏🙏🙏
Well said me also🙌🏻
Because it happened in a movie it happened in real life?
@@joeblack363 who knows. Many Buddhas n Bodhisattvas reform into many forms too🙏🙏🙏
You cannot judge the book by it's cover...but I respect your faith in both.🙏🙏
Ogyen Trinley Dorje chenno🙏🙏🙏🌼🍎🍎💐💐💐
I think Buddhist should be more happy that there is two Karbala. We have one more guru and one more choice. Long live both Karmapa rinpoche and flourish their teaching.
Ugen Thinlay Dorjee is the real KARMAPA who is recognized by His Holiness The 14th DALAI LAMA 🙏 ❤
True
True ugen thinley dorjee is the real 17 th kàrmapa🙏🏻🌹🙏🏻
Thanks you so much good information lord Buddha🙏🏻
Then why community and disciples doesn't follow the HH trulsikh Rinpoche yangsi who was recognize by hh the dalai lama and they follow another HH trulsikh Rinpoche who was recognize by hh drodrupchen Rinpoche...
Stop this kind controversy about karmapa...both are genuine karmapa we have to follow both karmapa...
Really? How do you clarify that unknown things.
Very powerful ungainly dorjee🙏🏼
His Holiness the 17th karmapa ugen thinley dorje right 🙏🙏🙏🌺
Ugen Thinlay always mention Rumtek ...
We Sikkimise believe that he is the one who is real Karmapa ....
Even crown is in Rumtek..
The pine plant which is planted in Rumtek by H.H Karmapa was still alive it was planted in Cemented floor...
if one meets Thaye Trinley Dorje, one has no doubts any more who the Karmapa is. It is that simple. Karmapa chenno
Chabsuchee,,,,, karmapa,,,,,,ugen trinlay dorjee,,,,,
🙏💐🙏 Everywhere there were negetive and positive energy.....world even form by negetive and positive,thats why this is the example for the world,but negetive always lose,,,, right,,,,, ancient buddha was born and devdat was also born,is this the same case right .....no matter,we must prey heartly,worthfully to our real one.....thats the matter.....its my only views.....thank you.....karmapa khennoo from my heart....🙏💐🙏
we believe Gyalwang Karmapa is
Ogyen Trinlay Dorje
When a reincarnated lama is confirmed by the Chinese government, its good sign that this is not the true reincarnation. And why do you all forget that Urgen said him self that he is not the real Karmapa, and that he is very happy that he manage to share his thought with before 14th Shamapra's death. And now all the stories about Orgen's lovers and the babies he made with them - one can see he is truly not happy and he wants different life.
Nothings more than, only by God H.H the 14h DALAI Lama recognised thats Karmapa.
For you he is the H.H 17th and for me other one is the 17th H.H. So you can do your way without disturbing me and I will do my way without disturbing anybody. Winner winner but no chicken dinner as we both are follower of karmapa.
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Every one should follow that Karmapa he trusts most.
In my case this is Karmapa Thaye Dordje.
If someone trusts Orgyen Thrinlay more he should follow him.
But I think Thaye Dordje is more convincing. He gave back his monk vovs and married.
Orgyen thrinlay had a sexulal relationship with a nun and is going on like business as usual. That is no good exampel in a word where sexual relationsships should base on trust an emazipation.
What did it happen at the moment we have both 17th Karmapa? Do they excommunicate each other?
Karmapa thinly thaye Dorje is real no doubt 🙏
Wrong
H.H Gyelwang Karmapa Kheno@🙏🙏🙏 I believe in both "KU SUNG THUG"
Traleg Rinpoche points out that the test of a spiritual practice is whether it is beneficial, not which religion it is associated with. Applying this to the Karmapa issue means that as long as both are benefitting human beings the issue of which is the true one is less important- that said Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the true Karmapa and this becomes obvious if you meet him.
I'm sure his assault victims would disagree.
@luckylongshotz
Have you personally met both?
very high lamas such as Karmapa etc can very easily eminate in multiple bodies. its well documented in the history of tibet. even in high level thought you can maybe see why high lamas may on purpose create controversy to wake people up and get them practising etc
Kap chu chee gyalwa karmapa kheno. 🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🙏🙏🙏
You have obviously a tendency in your Posting. Sad. Karmapa is NOT about "power" His activity is about WISDOM and COMPASSION.
Ya but he got the point bcz there can't be fake guru or lama
exactly
@@tenzintsephel713❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤3
17th Karmapa is Ugen Tenley Dorjee. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different
As a Naepali Buddhist both are H H karmappa do not compare ❤
Did you make the video about karmapa’s rainbow body photo?
What a sad thing that happened to these 2 young Karmapa reincarnation. It should never had happened in this way. There are many revered Rinpoches who have many reincarnations like: mind, body etc and such system never caused any schism….
Hopefully the both Karmapas will overcome the schism of their supporters and unite for the benefit of all sentient beings …..
Karmapa invented the tulku system. The system likes it because they can control the future leader from the very young age. It will always create controversies. I just pray that the leaders can see it and dare to change. For the sake of Buddhadharma.
I believe both ❤
Long live both Karmapa 🙏🏻
HALLELUJAH
Long live urgyen T
hinley dorjee karmapa
Long live Karmapa Thinley Thaye Dorji
We respect both karmapa. It's up to you to whom you worship.
I truly appreciate your golden pov!!! I agree with you too .
Both the karma are guiding us but ogyen trinley Dorjee is our real karmapa as well as we have huge respected fir him. We donot need married lama like Thaye dorjee.
Highly realised beings can have more than one incarnations.
Urgen trinley dorjee 🙏🙏🙏🌺🌺🌺🙏🙏🙏
Honestly speaking both are karmapa, karmapa meaning is the activities of Buddha, they are serving Buddha dharma pretty well, now they both had met 3 times already and made a statement together about harmony, florish a karma kagyu lineage and recognize a shamar Rinpoche reincarnation, so we as ordinary people, don't know nothing so better respect there decision spread Buddha dharma, 🙏🙏🙏
Can someone please share me chants on background
If you read the short biography of the first Karmapa, Dusum Khyenpa, contained in the Blue Annals (དེབ་ཐེར་སྔོན་པོ་, ) - written by Gö Lotsawa Shyönnu Pal (1392-1481), it clearly states that Karmapa is one of the Buddhas of the fortunate aeon (བསྐལ་པ་བཟང་པོ) and that noone, not even a 10th level Bodhisattva, can tell how many emanations he has.
Since when does the Dalai Lama determine who is a Karmapa?!
There are two Karmapas.
One is for the Chinese and those who trust them.
The other is for the others.
His holiness the 17th karmapa ugen thinley dorjee 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different
His Holiness the 14th Dalai lama recognise is the real one and Mepham Rinpoche son is the Lingauge Rinpoche
Yeah I respect both they r bhuddhist
Ogyen Thinley dorji is real 😢❤❤
Who is the karmapa at last
Both are great lama we accept both as our karmapa lama
Orgen trinlay Dorjee is the only Karmapa. He has the great power I myself experienced. Whatever people whispering, I believe in him. My Guruji is Tai Situ Pa and he has the power of knowing the correct Karmapa. I am following Vajrayana Buddhism since 30 years and believe in only Orgen Trinlay Dorjee who resembles so much to previous 16 Karmapa. Don’t confuse people. I don’t think you are Tibetan must be Indian who is trying to sell his little rough reading. Vancouver BC
ogyen thinley dorji is realy karma pa ❤❤❤❤❤😢😢😢😢
What happened with other Karmapa?
UTD real karmapa🙏🙏🙏
Whoever serve people is the real one.
Both are real human beings .nothing others ..
Long live both karmapa
His holiness 17 karmapa Ugen thinley dorjee🙏🙏
Bothe are Urgain
Bothe are Dorjee
One is Thinley
One is Thaye
One is promoted by Shamarpa Rinpoche.
One is promoted by Situ Rinpoche.
Bothe the Situ Rinpoche and Shamar Rinpoche and historically achieved Lama with long history.
So Karna Kagyue is enriched with two Karmapa.
Both are now Karmapa
Like it or not
Both will serve humanity!
Problem of Tibetan Rinpoche lies with egoism of high lama. It would dissolve with the presence of Dalai Lama I agree with what Dalai Lama advice and instruct. Game of this Lamaism is still exist in this modernised world I need a true enlightened lama rather than the game of of democracy party.
Hi ❤well iam really nobody to say anything about this situation but one day i was in singapore in a darma shop and i saw a picture of Orgen Trinley Dorge and i got such a surprise because i mustv had some kind of connection with the last karmapa I recognised Him as the 17 th karmapa I dont know how I knew i just did anyway after that people told me about the other karmapa and i allways thought that and the rumours at the time was that this second one was a setup by the chinese but then one of my Lamas suggested that because of the power of the Last karmapa this Lama said it was more than possible that the 16 th karmapa couldv easily have the two incarnations and having different functions to serve humanity and I feel this Lama Is right and I think HHDLL might be in agreance with that although don’t quote me on that because I might be wrong Iam sure HHDLL has his own thoughts and opinions on that ( its just an suggestion and a thought theres nothing to say that the Last Karmapa wasnt capable of that In my opinion and feeling more than Likely there shouldnt be any contreversy about that we shoulld all embrace both these great beings ❤but then who am I to say like I said iam a nobody to take any notice of but its something to think about if your interested in this matter whatever both are recocnized by the highest Lamas in existence so who could actually challenge that I think its a incredible opportunity to see thegreat compassionate nature of this great being ❤with no contreversy or arguments get past the mind games and just watch the wonders of the universal Love for all sentient beings ❤😂☮️☮️☮️💟💟💟🛐🛐🛐🕉️🕉️🕉️☸️☸️☸️💝🌈🌈🌈☔️☔️☔️🇳🇿🇳🇿🇮🇩🇮🇩🇺🇦🇺🇦🌹🍀😍🌺🌼🌸🥰💐🌷🌎🌏🌍😇☸️☸️☸️🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🌷🌷🌷😍😍😍💝😇
Both of them are real Karmapas for who like the unity of Kagyudpas but may be one of them are not real Karmapa for who really don’t like the unity of Karma kagyu.
if you really like the real karmapa then don’t try to create more problems between the two karmapas. If anyone is real Kagyudpa then don’t care others gossips.
Why not better go meditate and do your practice instead of discussions. Karmapa lineage and the Kagyu school is too precious for that.
Thinly dorje🙏🙏🙏🙏
Кармапа один, который рядом с Далай-ламой стоит,по глазам смотрите сколько ума и силы! и Кармапы не женятся!Ом Мани Бадме Хум!❤
Это который? Со злым лицом слева?
Это абсолютная чушь ,почитайте истории о жизни Кармап и узнаете что были Кармапы с детьми и женами.Далай Ламы ни когда не узнавали Кармап и не имеют отношения к линии Кагью.Перестаньте поддерживать коммунистов Китая и нести бред.
Seems you are one of the problem creator between the 2 karmapas among the who don’t like kamtsang kagyu.
14 Dalai Lama never recognised any Karpama and are not related to kagyu line.
Dalai Lama and Panchen Lamas are pure Gelugpa Lama. So Dalai Lama is 100% not kagyupa. Do you understand it?
Better not to try play bad politics in kagyupa to destroy kagyupa lineage.
If you really like Buddha Dharma then follow after one of any Karmapa and it’s totally free for you.
The kamtsang problem created by bullshit Situ Rinpoche and Shamar Rinpoche and it was so harmful for everyone in Buddhist society. Now the two Karmas are trying to solve the problem for every Buddhist specially for who really like precious lineage of Kagyudpa.
Что за глупость вы написали? Вы когда нибудь читали про Линию Кармап? Начиная с Первого Кармапы. Были Кармапы у которых было несколько жен и детей, другие Кармапы были монахами.
Real Karmappa photo is placed inside the Rumtek monastery. It section of Indian intelligence who has posed hindrances by opposing the real one. Unnecessarily kept the Karmapa under detention and not letting him visit his monastery Rumtek.
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what about Yung Drung Bon lineage they are also Buddhist
Why didn't you mention that prediction letter was proved forgered, fake.. The hand writing on the letter was matching with situ Rinpoche...
Evidence please.
@@tashitshering703 pls send me your adress I'll send you books with full of evidence on this topic.... But pls when you upload on such high level topic which has been deeply connected with people's believes and faith, pls give your time on research.. Pls don't upload whatever comes on your mind or what you think is right... Don't accumulate bad karma🙏
I think there is other two lamas one from Sikkim and another from Algarah,kalimpong also claiming for Karmapha.
😂😂😂
ShamarNag Khyeñño 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Karmapā THENLEY DORJEY🙏🙏🙏
There are 10 levels of bodhisattva which is call ma dak sa dun & dakpa sa sum one who complete all these then we can say enlighten one so its very important to choose right master who already enlighten one so to know which is right master in buddha darma said we should analysis for 10 years
So its showing choosing master is very important
Dali Lama is the leader there for it is his word that is the deciding factor ..not sure why anyone else can say he's wrong and they are right ❤
I must say Karna Kagye sect is enriched with two Karnapa.
I wish there is ten Dalai Lama and hundred Sakya and thousand Kagyue Lamas!
Better to judge the real Karmapa is on their action. Buddhist Monk never keep the wife and child with their buddhist Monk dress. Once the monk or lama or rinpoche fall in sexual activity is not so long Rabhjung. So better to wear lay man dress and keep the wife and children and can give the teaching if having a capacity of buddhism knowlegde. 🤔🤔🤔😏😏😏
Not true 10 and 13th Karmapas had a wife or consort. Read history before commenting. Every Buddhist master who undergoes tantric training has to take up a consort, most of them do it in a secret and Gelugs takes a wisdom consort or yeshe in chag gya, that doesn't mean all other schools follow the same thing. Plus the monk vow says sexual misconduct is not allowed, this is why even Gelongs after taking up tantric consort doesn't fall from the vow as it is not considered a sexual misconduct. As far as my knowledge goes. So stop judging. Respect everyone, I hope you remember the dog tooth story. I sometimes feel weird about Tibetan Lamas they will on one hand stay the dog story but on the other hand leave no stone unturned to vile another and this is DHARMA
Go back to some dalai lama incarnation married སྐུ ་ཕྲེང་...when dalai lama female incarnation in future, can you reject
We should analyse more about Buddhist not only one part..I think so...without analyse will create misunderstand ...dilgo khentse rinpoche was married and dalai lama get most of empowerment from khentse rinpoche why???? Dalai lama said about khentse rinpoche CZcams
I accept ngyingma gayluk kargue sakya all...
There iad no space on earth to have any doubt that Ogyen T Dorje is the
Real karmapa.
Both are the true information of H.H. 16th Karmapa
HH Urgen Thinley Dorje
Both is right
Long live both of Rinpoche
First Buddhist school in Tibet are as follows
༡༽ རྙིང་མ་་་་
༢༽ བཀའ་བརྒྱུད་་་
༣༽ས་སྐྱ་་་་་
༤༽ དགེ་ལུགས།
Of course both of Karmapa
I believe in both Karmapa 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻