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Tune this printer to the max...Better quality, more speed and a lot of fun!
I started with a V0.0 Kit from Aliexpress (now it's 0.1, which is better in any respect)*:
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Recommended Kits for bigger DIY printers:
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Fast 3D Printing /Speedprinting:
The fastest Voron V0...?
Or even the fastest Voron?!
07.05.2021: No, not anymore :) Have a look at Josh Murrahs channel
/ @joshmurrah
There is a lot of potential left...
Built to Voron-Spec - including the Standard V0.0 motors XY: 14HS17-0504S
Exception: Dragon Hotend V1.0 HF and Hemera (bowden-config).
Speed: 400mm/s (first layer 300mm/s)
acc/decel: 12000mm/s²
scv: 180mm/s
Filament: eSun ABS+
Part cooling: 40% (11.05.2021 damn, forgot to crank it up to 100%!)
Settings:
- Nozzle: 290°C
- Bed: 90°C
- line width: 0.5mm
- layer height: 0.25mm
- 3 top and bottom layers
- 2 walls and 10% infill
#JoinTheSpeed
#247printing
#SpeedBoatRace - Věda a technologie
This is just a solid beginning for more to come...
it's almost liquid during print. definetely need much more cooling
@@fedorza Absolutely! Already working on a solution for this - stay tuned!
First thing is, we all have to remember that this is a "speed" contest and not a "quality" contest.
I hope not cause it looks like ass lol 😂
No its a d***'s bigger contest.
@@alkiskaraolis6588 i get what you mean, the way i see it is that they print them as fast as possible and when technology comes further, thats when we will see quality increase maintaining ultra high speed
@@maxrackstraw nah the tech is there but the prices are still not at consumer level in my opinion
@@stevenm3914 yeah thats probably true tbh
Mr sulu, engage warp speed
Scotty, we need more cooling! ROM is Burning ;)
Haha 😅
Scotty go and buy the Voron Engines! Price does not matter! Sell your whisky if you have to trade it!
I am used to watching some videos at 1.5 or 2.0. Had to check that it was on normal. Those stepper noises are wild, don’t go silent, awesome how they are
Finally a significant step forward for FDM printing!! Thank you on behalf of all 3D print enthusiasts, what you are doing is inspiring and pretty dam cool !!!! Big respect ✊
Wow, thanks a lot mate!
That thing is almost as fast as my son when i tell him there's new ice cream in the freezer :)
That bed oscillation! Scary fast!
Feels like fast forwarded until I see the timer on the phone 😯
Those stepper motors working overtime
This is like if you would timelapse every gcode command, wow
Recently got into printing and my recommendations switched from crazy GTR drag race tunings to this. Thoroughly satisfied with the switch, excellent content.
Watch this on 2x speed to see the future of this technology!
It's a shame you can't get all noctua fans for that build it would fit the color scheme perfectly!
I am not very much into Noctua fans technically or artistically, but you're right: They would fit just perfectly!
@@sonacphotos hey, thanks for your comment! I am just researching at Mouser for some capable 4020 fans in order to put them on the static external cooling and found some crazy fans from „Delta“. After reading your comment, I really should compare to noctua also, thanks!
V0 got Noctua! 5V 4010 for active motor cooling - looks awesome, it’s silent and cools perfectly at 113% reference current!
@@247printing Hi there! just a warning about noctua fans. They tend to have quietness in mind over actual airflow. they don't push much airflow in my opinion, compared to other similar sized but louder fans. caused me crazy heat creep by having one on my hotend.
@@taffox3566 thanks for the warning - I’ll do the measurements of temperature rising over time. For me that’s also a concern about Noctuas in general, but I hope my heatsink design will help - don’t want the Motor cooling to be loud as it is constantly on.
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All of these Voron speed prints make me really want to build one myself. I just can't seem to find the courage to take on something difficult like this though 😫
If you are eager to learn and spend some time with the Voron-Community (Discord etc.) then it's a self-runner!
Amazing, Congratulations!!!
Thanks a lot! Was my very first try without much of optimization - simply a great machine!
I like the colors!
It's cool...don't get me wrong. But the noises are just comical!!!
:D Absolutely! It's a combination of stealthchop turned off and the A-motor whining after cranking up the amps too high for one try. Truly comical, but fortunately it's still working fine :)
Nice. But next time spend few seconds and show us some close-up footage of the benchy at the end. I know, this is about the speed, but it is interesting to see how it looks like. Thx
I’ll do that - very important!
Make more videos about how to tune 3d printers!
Incoming :)
Incredible.
You would probably support that speed and enhance the overall quality better, by moving to a more circular cooling fan ducting. Obviously the next problem becomes the potential to overcool the plastic and effect the hot end. but Pointing the cooling passages at an angle pointed away from the hot end would likely help. As the biggest problem at high print speeds often are a mix of cooling and material flow through the hot end.
Thanks for your thoughts/hints, appreciate that
Great job!
Thank you! Still ugly, but fast. Working on the ugliness... and on the Speed :D
You're printed parts are close to the color of the belts, haha i think it looks cool. Im working on a 2.4 atm. Ive got alot to learn before i get speeds like that haha 😆 good luck with your future mods. Keep on posting!
@@Biz350 have fun with your build! There’s more in the queue - 10(!) subscribers to be served :)
Very fast. Needs much beefier cooling. I see it curling up on the overhang at the bow.
This should be the standard for regular 3D printers! I mean it's a insult if the print costs 2k and it can't even perform as good as this master piece of ingenuity
Very true, this Voron is a cheap and capable sand box for tinkering. The only downside for serious 3D printing would be the size of the print bed. Even though I assume that it is still big enough for 50-70% of the prints done by most of the people.
Wow and I have an unopened 2.4 I just received today.
Impressive
Thanks! You’ll find faster ones on my channel :)
You should make some videos going through your optimization process on how you made it go 1000/mm/s i would love to see that
Thanks a lot mate ❤️ I am working on videos to explain more 😂
Its just hilarious to look at that print going so ridiculously fast. Sub 10 min on a print that could easily take an hour when it is not rushing. This race to the fastest benchy is awesome but for having fair competition I assume it would be hard to objectively judge wheter a benchy is successful or not.
Maybe as a competition it would be good to have a sort of weight class system where a print has to finish in a certain time slot (say 8 to 9 minutes for this print) and the winner is chosen like in gymnastics or diving.
You might choose to rush the parts with a larger cross section for example so that you have time to print a proper chimney
I totally support your thoughts! Discussions about classes and rule changes are ongoing atm
what a nice benchi. I want this ptinter
Go for it! A lot of fun to build, learn and use it :)
how do you change the layer extrusion direction from the normal diagonal into vertical / horizontal?
You can set the angles in the slicer of your choice - here: Cura
Yup. That's fast
Can you share your starting script ?
im using the standard purge line but yours seems interesting
Of course: I shared it at Reddit (see comments on my serial request at r/voroncorexy) Edit: Link in the Description.
Noctua color scheme makes it faster than red?!
Yes, that's the trick !
nice one...
Thank you, it's an honor!
My eyes see what's happening on the screen but my brain just refuses to process the fact that this is recorded in REAL TIME
Thanks mate! Then… have a look at my latest benchy - more than double that fast and better quality 👍
V impression how big is that build plate? What’s the cost of the voron?
It’s 120x120 - the Voron V0 can be built for around 400-600€
interesting that you are not using the magic numbers, great quality print for that time tbh
Which magic numbers? ☺️
On a practical level what version of the voron is fastest? stuck between the 0 and 2.4
You can go quite fast on a 2.4 but I strongly assume you can get out more from the 0.0 /0.1
@@247printing thanks for the quick reply!
grrrr I want to print with a voron v0 now but aliexpress sent me the wrong bed mat (they sent a 220 when i ordered 110) and the 1515s say there in new york but I'm in alaska at least I got everything else ready once that stuff gets here
Have fun building and using this great printer!
That bed is getting jiggly wiggly, maybe quality can increase with stiffer bed? Dual z screws?
Yeah, this would help A LOT! Quite a downside on the V0
i feel like im watching a timelapse
How far can it bridge with this speeds? I mean the string doesn't have even time to sack at that speed, right?
This is a very good question I am after and I did some tries (80mm bridge) that failed so far. The settings are completely different going at those speeds and my time was up for me to go on with parameter variation. But yeah, I also see potential here!
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me :man i didnt think the pocketwatch was capable of this
me reading the description box: ah a hemera, that makes more sense.
crazy impressive dude, congrats
Thanks! I had the same initial thinking about the Pocketwatch (when thinking about building a V0) 🙃 The rest is accelerations / speeds / slicer-settings and a great printer!
what kind of fans did you use to cool this thing?
As specified by Voron Design these are two 30x30x10mm mini-blowers
Print quality: yes
Print speed: warp speed
Print Quality: No...... ;)
Print Speed: Slow.....;)
Guys that’s real time
can you provide the g code ;) ? what is the slicer you are using ?
I am using Cura and of course you can have the gcode. Pls contact me at discord: Albert247#4949
@@247printing perfect thank you . but i dont have discord ^^ can you tell me your acceleration, deceleration, velocity and corner speed :) tank you :) (y)
@@Minoguai Updated the video description (accel=decel). I'll provide everything (gcode/cfg/profile) in the future (when improvements are made). This is far from an optimum atm (even for a mostly stock V0).
@@247printing yea, i finished my voron this weekend and want to tune it a bit, too :-) - so sharing is much appreciated
Какой шкодливый принтак. Постоял в углу, кучку наложил и побежал. )))
how fast can it go without losing quality?
With some slice tuning it should be possible to do it in 10-15min. (default voron 0.0 on ABS)
I think this printer needs a blowiemetron (LinusTechTips) for the cooling the print to even become solid.
I agree - cooling is the biggest and most obvious bottleneck! But have some upgrades for this 😬
@@247printing While other people are trying to make their printers as quiet as possible, some are trying to tune them as loud as motorcycles (My Ender 3 V2 makes less than 30db while printing, except the stepper motors) The problem people dont often know, that it can hurt the performance. My motor drivers were overheating after the quiet fan upgrade and I was forced to change the aluminium heatsinks to heatpipes and then to a big heatsink.
I agree, even though the focus is not to make them loud, but to improve the cooling for high speeds.
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Sounds like a ZX spectrum
Sounds like 80's rap music
Are you using sandpaper for a bed haha
:D No, these structured PEI spring steel surfaces are quite common today and easy to acquire!
Ist ja mal ganz nett 🤣
Haha, aber schon uralt was du da kommentierst - Schnecken-Benchy 🙊
Printer go weeeeeeeee.
Ok now show us how clean the print is looked pretty dirty to me
Video incoming - more insights and tuning. Also: The sense of all these fast and ugly boats?
I don't think printing in chocolate should count though. ; )
Very nice one, made my day! I love candy 😂
ODrive?
Nope, steppers☺️ Odrive would be absolute overkill here…. But…. Why not 🙊
Quality???
Noch nicht ;)
@@247printing kommt noch 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻geil is das Ding trotzdem
Какой смысл от этой скорости, если качества нет?
Найдите пределы. Работаем на машине. Выйти за пределы. Сделайте шаг назад и сделайте качественный шаг быстрее :)
Nasty printer torture !!! ;-)
Here you can see what happens when you dope your printer with steroids and energy drinks.
Where is the printer protection association?
Not that you should compare but I think Josh Murrah has you beat on fastest voron benchy atm
Not only the fastest Voron - it's even the fastest ever recorded within the #speedboatracing rules. A lot happened the last days. Have a look at the updated description in this video: There is the answer to the question mark of the title.
@@247printing what current are your a and b steppers running?
@@imst4722 500mA in this video
@@247printingsorry for asking so many questions but can I get your start gcode?
@@imst4722 sure, have a look at the video description: the link to the serial request on Reddit (posted in the comments)
indeed fast as hell, but in my personal opinion not successfull. Benchy does not look good.
Print quality is more important than speed for me.
What would be the fastest Benchy with good quality??? 16 Minutes?
True! That was my first fast benchy and my starting point to find ways to improve both speed and quality. Most obvious here is the cooling bottleneck. Speed only is useless, I agree!
@@247printing Well, I hope you'll figure it out and let us know.
A good Benchy in less then 20 Minutes would be a win...
Yes, it is clearly visible the part cooling does not match the performance of the extruder. Maybe two 5015 instead of the 4010s could be a solution...
I agree! Part cooling is the most obvious bottleneck. Did a lot of upgrades on my V0 the last weeks - a 10min good looking benchy is not a problem at #speedboatrace settings. The next days I’ll upload my next entry for a very fast benchy (03:xx) and I’ll do a fast quality run to show the achievements made by elaborating the limits and going some steps back 😊
how..😧
Hey buddy, Deep dive to Speedprinting incoming!
@@247printing what is the world record of fastest 3d printing speed?
@@247printing r u planning to make bigger version of this printer?
@@invent4.0 there is no official world record as far as I know, but concerning speed it’s 1100mm/s for printing and printing a benchy under 4minutes. A bigger version of the Voron Zero would be really nice and I am actually thinking about a 160mm or 200mm sized version with 20mm Aluminum extrusions für rigidity. ☺️
@@247printing ooh k thank you for replying ☺️
I'm from India and u?
its crazy fast but unless it looks nice and crisp theres no point in that speed. prob with half the speed it can develop some nice quality.
Doing it in nice quality with lower speeds is quite easy. Finding the fastest speed for a machine AND then finding that speed/quality sweetspot is more challenging (and fun). At first: It's a speedboatrace.
@@247printing i hope you get there someday, actually its not that bad.
@@orhanyor working on that, thanks! there will be a Video about that soon !
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@@247printing זיי שטיל און נעם מיין געלט
@@michaelkelnberger6420 www.paypal.com/paypalme/247printing 😂
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I think that every printing speed exceeding physical limits of the filament is just a nonsense
Which physical limits are exceeded (for my documentation)?
@@247printing fdm printing is all about melting a solid filament in shapes layer over layer. Filament that with the time returns at its previous state (solid) and at the end we have the wanted object. If the filament has not enough time to become solid, the result will be something that looks like a benchy but it's not a benchy. I'm not a physicist but i'm sure that polylactic acid (for example) has physical properties and constraints that can't be overcomed adding 4 or 5 hotend fans.
@@matteoo3923 so the layers don't have enough time to cool before the next one gets put down? the speedboat race is about making a benchy fast, it doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be pretty.
this didn't result in spaghetti, therefore it's technically a successful print
@@microArc if for you that's a benchy it's fine..for me it isn't...maybe before doing these kind of competions we should define what's a benchy..
@@matteoo3923 you can make up all the rules you want to disqualify this benchy, but it's clearly shaped like a benchy (even if it's sloppy). it didn't jam the printer, it didn't turn into spaghetti and it was overall benchy shaped. the print was objectively successful.
that print looks like crap. zero points. My $500 printer can print that fast if you want crap... so what's the point?
This printer can be done for $500. Try out to print that fast. It’s fun and you will encounter bottlenecks you wouldn’t expect.Finding solutions for these is the following fun part - I subscribed to your channel - maybe there will be an speedboatrace upload soon 😘
Crazy fast, why don't you talk
I am shy ☺️
What i the point of a lumpy benchy? Surely the competition should have guidelines about quality? My kid can do a better one with Playdough in half the time.
In this case, the benchy only has to look like a benchy. Keep in mind it is just a speed contest and not a quality contest.
Bad Quality not worth the Times saving
#speedboatracing
Yeah it's fast, but if I take a big steamy shit on your build plate in less than 9 minutes does that mean I made the fastest benchy? If the quality is this garbage, it shouldn't count imo.
Absolutely! Quality is not good, but it went as fast as possible for a V0 built to V0.0 specification and it finished a benchy. As a start, bottlenecks are obvious for further improvements. And yes: it should not count - I did not apply officially with this try. We need higher accelerations and better cooling. Coming very soon ;)
Congratulations for printing the most ugliest benchy I've ever saw .
Really i cannot understand the hype about the challenge about printing a benchy in the shortest time, because the results are always very bad. The challenge have to be, to print a well-printed nice looking benchy in shortest time if possible. If i have to do compromises in quality because of the time (and in that case quantity), than we compare watches handmade in Switzerland with watches produced for 0,30 cents in China. And that cannot be or should be the future imho.
Thanks for your thoughts, I share a lot of them and those compromises you mentioned are one of the keys. Would you like your printer to work faster at the same quality? All tweaks in order to print the fastest benchy by the #speedboatracing community are done to find measures to enable this. First: Find the limit and the bottlenecks (here: general cooling, filament-flow and motors). Then: Find applicable solutions. What the competition is missing: Whats the improvement for quality prints using those speed-tuned printers? I’ll show you.
@@247printing I know what you mean. But isn't this a self-fulfilling prophecy? I mean, you already know what the issues for the ugly surface, bad tolerances etc. is. The Problem is, with absolutely guarantee, the high acceleration and slowdown. Thermoplastics melts are viscoelastic materials. Therefor you get a highly inertia force inside the plastic during the acceleration process. The accelerated material would like to move further, even if your extruder is already in the next layer. And you cannot cool this in this short time only with your fans. To freeze the material in this short time, you need a other environment medium than air, because air has a very bad thermal conductivity and heat transfer coefficient. The last one depends on the flow type and velocity. But you are restricted with the fan velocity. If the velocity is to high, the pressure would deform the plastic while its in the freezing process as well. So, long term short, you need an other environment material with a higher thermic material properties or/and an other environment temperature. The cheepest way to obtain this, put your printer inside a fridge. Unfortunately you need than more energy to melt the plastic inside the hotend.
and weakly print without defects? all your high-speed videos suck in print quality. someone will print real parts with this quality?no! Show the perfect benchy and say "it's at this speed. if you print higher, the quality will not be perfect"
these high speed benchy prints are rarely about quality though that's why it's just called the speedboat race
Yes, this is one ugly boat - true... There are a lot of comments like these - I won't forget about this in the next videos about fast printing and #speedboatrace. The focus here (and on the other video) was on speed and to show off the capabilities of stock printers without tuning. There are loads of bottlenecks (e.g. the cooling or ridiculous firmware limitations on the Flashforge Finder). When not focusing on speed (case here!): Surely you can always find a sweetspot between quality and speed. I will do this for this Voron V0 for sure, as print speeds at high quality are also insanely high (100-200mm/s).
@@247printing i see that... I honestly find it very impressive to see how much absurdly precise tuning goes into printing a speed benchy. the patience and dedication to understanding each bottleneck and tuning to overcome it is a very niche art in my eyes. spectacular work! these are some remarkably impressive results!
@@microArc thanks man, very much appreciated!