Hate to be that guy, but I think this is the Dome RC83. You can tell by the color scheme of orange and white, and the engine sound is the unmistakable sound of the Cosworth DFL engine. Regardless, still an awesome video and a really cool looking car if you haven't seen a picture of one yet.
@@W4CHHUNDi The WM did hit 405 in the 1988 race (not qualifying) although it knew it would blow doing it given they taped up the vents, the Jags were quickest at 389 in the 1989 race in ordinary conditions. The Merc did over 400k in quali.
This is the Circuit de la Sarthe as it appeared between 1979 and 1985. Due to the construction of a new public road, Tertre Rouge corner (@0:33) had to be reprofiled, changing it from a right angled corner to a faster, but more complex double apex. Also, the second Dunlop Bridge was removed. in 1986, Mulsanne corner (@1:55) was modified to avoid a new roundabout that had been installed to reduce accidents at the junction. The new layout kinked right just before the original corner, with the new corner slightly offset.
Not to mention the start/finish line veering to the right to create a new run off on the hill up to Dunlop, the new Dunlop chicane and curve to the Bugatti circuit entrance, the re-profiling of the forest S's with the enhanced spactator viewpoints, oh - and 2 huge chicanes on the Mulsanne straight. The pit entrance was moved from the end of the Ford chicanes to Maison Blanche, just before them.
What I found intersting is Dome was uncompetitive and later it became the Toyota Dome partnership and we know how toyota became quit good in Group C and it all started with Dome
3 years later.... and some of the gearboxes only had 3 or 4 gears, 5 gears wasn't as common as now. A family car with a smaller engine didn't need 5, and certainly not the 6-7-8 as modern racing cars. On one hand you can tune the gears to suit the track more finely now and have more options and pretty much no bad tracks, but back then you had all the power you needed when you'd hit the gas. Skoda's first model with 5 speed standard gears, was the 1988 Favorit. You could still find a 1,6 Ford Sierra in 1991, only 4 gears. I think it's 8 gears, that Toyotas hybrid transmission has in the 1,5 yaris
True tribute to driver skill and multitasking skill. They had to make 2000-3000 manual gearshifts a race and even one misshift could cause a cluth failure and you're out. You needed true skill to heel and toe and think about which gear you're taking each corner with
Yes it's the practice session, either Eje Elgh or Stanley Dickens were driving as the car is the 1984 Dome RC83i, the car was destroyed shortly after this practice footage when the throttle jammed open on the downhill run approaching the esses. Dickens knew the impact was coming and pulled his legs back as much as could, he climbed out unhurt but looked back at the car and the pedals were where his knees had been!
On this lap, the driver breathed the throttle on at the kink on the straight at Le Hunaundieres. Unlike the drivers in the top cars that would go flat through the whole way.
No chance, it's either Eje Elgh or Stanley Dickens (both great drivers) driving as the car is the 1984 Dome RC83i, it was destroyed shortly after this practice footage when the throttle jammed open on the downhill run frum Dunlop approaching the Esses.
dude! have you guys played gran turismo 4? you can race this exactly with a r89 in the license tests! i wonder if they got the inspiration for that from this video, pretty cool methinks, awesome upload :D
I think this is some 80s video editing, the speed value seems to be manually added. The car maybe did 350kmh, but in this video it shifts to 4th at 240 and 280, this is some very odd speedo.
This is not a Nissan GTP. They didn't have a Group C car till 1988, and this is the Late 70's early 80's version of Le Mans, with Red Crubs a reprofiled Tetre rouge, longer straight, tighter Mulsanne Hairpin and the newly introduced Porsche curves in 1972.
Do tell, I just got a massive interest in older leamns cars. Back then it was cars with actual drivers not a computer controlled rig on 4 wheels taking care of most of the handling
@@andrestrandby9513 It's either Eje Elgh or Stanley Dickens driving as the car is the 1984 Works entered Dome RC83i, it was destroyed shortly after this practice footage when the throttle jammed open on the downhill run approaching the esses. Dickens knew the impact was coming and pulled his legs back as much as could, he climbed out unhurt but looked back at the car and the pedals were where his knees had been! This car had a 3.95 Cosworth DFL engine. To answer your other questions it's nothing at all to do with Nissan, the R89 and R92 cars were from the late 80's early 90's.
The prototypes have long negotiated the LeMans circuit at speeds literally inconceivable to the race leaders of the past. Their acceleration seems endless. Low flying aircraft.
@@thethirdman225 yes that is slow because the Porsches, Jaguars, Mercedes, Peugeots were going 20 miles an hour faster or 35 km an hour faster at 385 km an hour or 240 miles an hour
🇬🇧...the chicanes on the "Mulsanne" should really be removed, today's racing cars could probably handle them "safely"...! 🇩🇪...man sollte wirklich die Schikanen auf der "Mulsanne" zurückbauen, heutige Rennwagen könnten diese wohl "gefahrlos" bewältigen...!
Imagine if sports axed safety? 500kph plus down the straight and roided up meat heads throwing javelins out of the stadiums.....it would spectacular shit but we'd lose so many good people athletes and spectators
@@thethirdman225 @TheThirdMan you actually meant that serious? Sorry about that then. So the acceleration is way off if you compare on the start/finish straight and at 2:05 where it accelerates in 3rd until 280 but at 0:20 it goes in 4th only to 250, at 2:15 it goes at about the same rpm to over 320. The acceleration at 2:05 is imense with about 6 -7 sec from 200 to 300km/h but at 0:00 it takes forever to go to 250. And on mulsannes straight the acceleration is slow. Braking speed until apex is not right, even on some gear changes the speed drops off but then not. So one conclusion: the speed was manually inserted be someone after the lap
@@vonPelger *_"you actually meant that serious? "_* Of course I did. *_"So one conclusion: the speed was manually inserted be someone after the lap"_* Well, that's interesting conclusion. I see your point of view but I'm not sure I agree. There's a pretty significant difference between the acceleration on the Mulsanne and the front straight. The Dunlop Curve gets in the way and even with ground effect, I don't think that was taken flat.
*_"Is this suppose to be impressive?217mph,the 917 Porsche, would have left it in the dust,with no computor,or paddle shifter."_* Oh my God. First of all, this car doesn't have paddle shifters. This was 1984. Secondly, the Porsche would have been uncompetitive through pretty much any corner against a ground effect car, which this was. The lap times might have been the same but the track was quite different, especially with the addition of the Porsche Curves. Finally, while the fastest 917 in 1971 was 362 km/h, the rumours about how fast the 917 was are pretty easy to debunk. So, looked at objectively and with some good background information, this is actually quite an interesting video.
No it isn't, in the 1984 practice sessions the fastest car on the official speed trap was the WM @ 363 km/h (225mph). The Dome wasn't as quick as that.
@@thethirdman225 The Dome was one of the quicker cars that year, not the quickest but it could do 350 or so meaning that graphic in premise isn't wildly off the mark. It's also a practice session so probably wasn't going at full tilt either.
@@thethirdman225 The Dorset Racing RC82 car with the 3.3 that actually raced in 1984 was overweight at 960kg in scrutineering but not the car in the clip, the Factory 3.9 RC83 pictured here was only 850kg which was less than many of the private 956's.
@@marks7197 The Dome was only fast on the straight. It was otherwise not very competitive. But I agree, the graphic is probably quote close to the mark.
I'm all for going fast. But this track layout is boring as hell compared to the most recent iteration. Back in the era of 205 tires and a aluminum chassis :o lol.
not a Nissan. its a 1983 Dome RC83 with a ford cosworth engine. in later years it became the Toyota Dome(TOM's) group c and gtp cars with the 4 cyl turbo thru 1988
Hate to be that guy, but I think this is the Dome RC83. You can tell by the color scheme of orange and white, and the engine sound is the unmistakable sound of the Cosworth DFL engine. Regardless, still an awesome video and a really cool looking car if you haven't seen a picture of one yet.
It's dome rc83
I agree. Furthermore, Nissan didn't compete at Le Mans in the early 80's.
353 Km/h insane!!! speeds incredible pure engine sounds 👏😎
But over 405kmh later in Group C.
@@sometimesidreamaboutcheese only in qualifying. You don´t rev it that high in race
@@W4CHHUNDi yup, full race requires reliability. this is why mazda 787b won back then.
@@W4CHHUNDi The WM did hit 405 in the 1988 race (not qualifying) although it knew it would blow doing it given they taped up the vents, the Jags were quickest at 389 in the 1989 race in ordinary conditions. The Merc did over 400k in quali.
This is the Circuit de la Sarthe as it appeared between 1979 and 1985. Due to the construction of a new public road, Tertre Rouge corner (@0:33) had to be reprofiled, changing it from a right angled corner to a faster, but more complex double apex. Also, the second Dunlop Bridge was removed. in 1986, Mulsanne corner (@1:55) was modified to avoid a new roundabout that had been installed to reduce accidents at the junction. The new layout kinked right just before the original corner, with the new corner slightly offset.
Not to mention the start/finish line veering to the right to create a new run off on the hill up to Dunlop, the new Dunlop chicane and curve to the Bugatti circuit entrance, the re-profiling of the forest S's with the enhanced spactator viewpoints, oh - and 2 huge chicanes on the Mulsanne straight. The pit entrance was moved from the end of the Ford chicanes to Maison Blanche, just before them.
what really blows my mind is how stable the car is at these speeds
Mazda brilliance on the chassis & suspension as well.
@@BrattyBiker You probably meant Nissan, except if memory serves Lola was responsible for the Chassis.
That car is generating almost 9000 Lbs of downforce at full chat.
Ground effects
Even the wiper got excited down the straightaways
A Dome RC83.....beautiful car....he had a great design, also beautiful today...
When La Sarthe was a proper circuit. Awesome.
This car is a Dome RC83.
Ok
What I found intersting is Dome was uncompetitive and later it became the Toyota Dome partnership and we know how toyota became quit good in Group C and it all started with Dome
2:06 230km/h 2nd gear...
This transmission setup was made it specifically for this road with no check an on the way to reach the maximum speed..
3 years later.... and some of the gearboxes only had 3 or 4 gears, 5 gears wasn't as common as now. A family car with a smaller engine didn't need 5, and certainly not the 6-7-8 as modern racing cars.
On one hand you can tune the gears to suit the track more finely now and have more options and pretty much no bad tracks, but back then you had all the power you needed when you'd hit the gas.
Skoda's first model with 5 speed standard gears, was the 1988 Favorit. You could still find a 1,6 Ford Sierra in 1991, only 4 gears.
I think it's 8 gears, that Toyotas hybrid transmission has in the 1,5 yaris
@@mortenfrosthansen84 Gen 3 Hybrid Yaris has a 7 speed CVT gearbox :)
@@2090skid ahaa I see
That gear is SO TALL!!!
My cousin used to tell me stories of his experiences driving this track in a 934 K3 Porsche back in the early 80s.
353km !! Con una transmisión de 5 velocidades!!! Whow..
Le vrai circuit de LE MANS vraiment sur route.
J'attends le retour du bon vieux Groupe C, les LMP sont certes rapides mais se ressemblent trop 😉
Yep, every gear is a mission we know 🦄
Sounds incredible 🤩
Not realy
@@ALPHABYTE1994 You must be deaf 😂
it sound more like the cosworth DFV formula 1 engine
Very close. This is a Dome RC83 using a Cosworth 4.0 N/A DFL
The car was very stable the entire video.
Mission aka "mee-shawn" = how Japanese people say transmission haha I miss that country
Back when the back stretch was the Back Stretch! No bus stops here. Just bash through the gear box and hang the HELL ON ! ❤❤❤❤❤
lol
Every time the car hits a certain speed, the wind shield wiper gets a chubby
I miss when racecars had manual gearboxes
No traction control etc, when driver actually had to control car not a computer.
They still do😏🤓
this mindset maaaaaad stupid
@@black.pewdiepie415 many have paddle shift glorified auto. To me a manual has an actual gear shifter not a paddle
True tribute to driver skill and multitasking skill. They had to make 2000-3000 manual gearshifts a race and even one misshift could cause a cluth failure and you're out. You needed true skill to heel and toe and think about which gear you're taking each corner with
cruisin down the mulsanne for ages over 200mph, what a ride !!
353 km/h topspeed!? Holy smoke ... That is ... that is ... Almost the speed of light !!! 😁
i love trees around this track
the true le sarte, without sissy chicanes.
He is so gentle on the upshifts; was this a testing session...
Yes it's the practice session, either Eje Elgh or Stanley Dickens were driving as the car is the 1984 Dome RC83i, the car was destroyed shortly after this practice footage when the throttle jammed open on the downhill run approaching the esses. Dickens knew the impact was coming and pulled his legs back as much as could, he climbed out unhurt but looked back at the car and the pedals were where his knees had been!
@@marks7197 Thanks for that info.
@@thethirdman225 You're welcome.
On this lap, the driver breathed the throttle on at the kink on the straight at Le Hunaundieres.
Unlike the drivers in the top cars that would go flat through the whole way.
Yes, but this was not a flat out lap.
Anyone know who the driver is?
@@thethirdman225 Eje Elgh or Stanley Dickens.
@@marks7197 Thanks.
It was kind of a mess in the pits back then. Very crowded 🤪
you can tell this is probably a “gentleman driver”
No chance, it's either Eje Elgh or Stanley Dickens (both great drivers) driving as the car is the 1984 Dome RC83i, it was destroyed shortly after this practice footage when the throttle jammed open on the downhill run frum Dunlop approaching the Esses.
🤤 music to my ears.
THIS IS NOT NISSAN GTP. THIS IS Dome RC83.
dude! have you guys played gran turismo 4? you can race this exactly with a r89 in the license tests! i wonder if they got the inspiration for that from this video, pretty cool methinks, awesome upload :D
Nissan !! Respect
Check out those gear-ratios! 2nd almost reaches 200kmh, and doing 330kmh he shifts up.. to 5th!! That's some torque!
The long gear ratio, impressive.
Pure power.
I love an episode of "Top Mission"...
I think this is some 80s video editing, the speed value seems to be manually added. The car maybe did 350kmh, but in this video it shifts to 4th at 240 and 280, this is some very odd speedo.
Looks just like my view back in the day in 300zxtt on a lazy sunday drive lol
A real test of man and machine
Yes , a fine fire breathing specimen,
This is not a Nissan GTP. They didn't have a Group C car till 1988, and this is the Late 70's early 80's version of Le Mans, with Red Crubs a reprofiled Tetre rouge, longer straight, tighter Mulsanne Hairpin and the newly introduced Porsche curves in 1972.
R92cp if ams not mistaken? Or just r92
It's a Dome not a Nissan, although Nissans first Le Mans entry was in 1986 with two March built Group C cars, the 85v and 86v.
Also known as R89C?
Do tell, I just got a massive interest in older leamns cars. Back then it was cars with actual drivers not a computer controlled rig on 4 wheels taking care of most of the handling
@@andrestrandby9513 It's either Eje Elgh or Stanley Dickens driving as the car is the 1984 Works entered Dome RC83i, it was destroyed shortly after this practice footage when the throttle jammed open on the downhill run approaching the esses. Dickens knew the impact was coming and pulled his legs back as much as could, he climbed out unhurt but looked back at the car and the pedals were where his knees had been! This car had a 3.95 Cosworth DFL engine. To answer your other questions it's nothing at all to do with Nissan, the R89 and R92 cars were from the late 80's early 90's.
No power steering, no power brakes… these were REAL drivers
Now it’s just plug and play
Insane 353km/h 😮😮😮
Super nice
Awesome,imagine doing a 4hr stint?🥵🥵🥵🥵
that's 1984 Dome RC83
Tbh, 350 kmh is kinda slow... for a prototype at lemans in the 80s 😆
They didn’t have the chicane back then either.
I can't go over 190km/h in my beat up Nissan Sentra without shitting myself lol
Slow xd
It was as quick as any went until '84 onwards so for this period it was quick. This is a Dome rather than a Nissan too...
Im honestly surprised it managed to reach 350kmh, with the weight of that man's brass "charisma"
Oh the old mulsane strait!
I would love to see an Audi diesel go down the old Mulsanne straight like here.
2:49 180 km/h in 2th gear. My car joins them in 9th gear.. maybe. 🤭
incredible mechine
Basically cruise at 350kph. Imagine if a shorter gear ratio was used.
It takes some serious kahunas to turn a corner at 220mph..
Japanese prototype car with a British engine.
Hitting 220mph on the straight.
The wiper is the 300kmh plus speedometer.....
HAHAHA
Sick!
The prototypes have long negotiated the LeMans circuit at speeds literally inconceivable to the race leaders of the past. Their acceleration seems endless. Low flying aircraft.
Yes
What camera was used?
bro this got uploaded when i whas 2!!!
The engine sounded like a F1 V8 engine from that period...Cosworth DFV?
3.95 DFL
if 3 is good from 120-240 km/h, how much torque and power does that engine put out?
I feel sorry for that windshield wiper.
GTP cars were allowed for Le Mans but none top team/car (Nissan GTP, Toyota Eagle MKIII, Jaguar XJR-16) entered the race.
The C1 Mazdas were entered as gtps
@@hexgraphica That was later. In 1984 they were in Group C2.
With a racetrack like this, you don't need to do top speed runs in the public highway anymore.
Too bad that they changed the circuit. Imagine what the top speed would be with the current cars on this track
@@donozdragracingandtunedcars It’s doubtful it would contribute anything to the racing. The chicanes create two extra passing opportunities.
Only 350 km/h at long Hunaudières?
Engine cannot last if you push it more than that.. only in qualification and shakedown spec, with special expendable engine.
What? You think that's slow or something?
because the cosworth engine.
@@thethirdman225 yes that is slow because the Porsches, Jaguars, Mercedes, Peugeots were going 20 miles an hour faster or 35 km an hour faster at 385 km an hour or 240 miles an hour
@@claudiomarangone614 Don’t be silly.
What exactly does the extra 35 km/h - 10% - contribute to racing?
Dome RC83/ DFL ?
Mulsanne straight is business as usual… wow. You think Nissan sold any on Monday?
You figure they wouldve engineered the wipers better?
Adorei
🇬🇧...the chicanes on the "Mulsanne" should really be removed, today's racing cars could probably handle them "safely"...!
🇩🇪...man sollte wirklich die Schikanen auf der "Mulsanne" zurückbauen, heutige Rennwagen könnten diese wohl "gefahrlos" bewältigen...!
Nehmt bitte die blöden Schikanen auf der Hunaudieres weg. Das war damals ne geile Zeit
He didn't go flat out At Mulsanne Straight
Very sluggish out of Mulsanne corner.
Girlfriend: My parents aren't home...
Me: 0:51
😆😆👏💪
What year was this?
1984.
I think it is an Aston Martin Nimrod 1983
Yeah I think so, a Nissan would be much faster.
this is dome rc83
Not at Aston. That had a cross plane crank. Sounded nothing like this.
@@projectilequestion Not necessarily.
autobacs 77
This is definitely not a Nissan. Clearly Cosworth powered.
Imagine if sports axed safety? 500kph plus down the straight and roided up meat heads throwing javelins out of the stadiums.....it would spectacular shit but we'd lose so many good people athletes and spectators
おじさんが、制作に、かかわってました。
@1:10 200 MPH!!!!
353Km/h
Lift off at kink...?
353 km/h 😮
Did GTP cars ever actually race Le Mans?
just the mazdas pre 787B.
@@JuanCarlos-tv2hu and Jaguar, March, Lola and many others.
@Jason Walat Yes. Many IMSA GTP cars have raced against much faster Group C/C1/C2 cars throughout the entire era.
speedometer is not right
And you know something everyone else doesn't?
@@thethirdman225 and you really don't have anything to do.. ha smarty-pants? 🤣
@@vonPelger Are you going to provide some proof of your claim or are you going to insist on making this personal?
What do you know that we don't?
@@thethirdman225 @TheThirdMan you actually meant that serious? Sorry about that then. So the acceleration is way off if you compare on the start/finish straight and at 2:05 where it accelerates in 3rd until 280 but at 0:20 it goes in 4th only to 250, at 2:15 it goes at about the same rpm to over 320. The acceleration at 2:05 is imense with about 6 -7 sec from 200 to 300km/h but at 0:00 it takes forever to go to 250. And on mulsannes straight the acceleration is slow. Braking speed until apex is not right, even on some gear changes the speed drops off but then not. So one conclusion: the speed was manually inserted be someone after the lap
@@vonPelger
*_"you actually meant that serious? "_*
Of course I did.
*_"So one conclusion: the speed was manually inserted be someone after the lap"_*
Well, that's interesting conclusion. I see your point of view but I'm not sure I agree. There's a pretty significant difference between the acceleration on the Mulsanne and the front straight. The Dunlop Curve gets in the way and even with ground effect, I don't think that was taken flat.
Is this suppose to be impressive?217mph,the 917 Porsche, would have left it in the dust,with no computor,or paddle shifter.
*_"Is this suppose to be impressive?217mph,the 917 Porsche, would have left it in the dust,with no computor,or paddle shifter."_*
Oh my God.
First of all, this car doesn't have paddle shifters. This was 1984.
Secondly, the Porsche would have been uncompetitive through pretty much any corner against a ground effect car, which this was. The lap times might have been the same but the track was quite different, especially with the addition of the Porsche Curves.
Finally, while the fastest 917 in 1971 was 362 km/h, the rumours about how fast the 917 was are pretty easy to debunk.
So, looked at objectively and with some good background information, this is actually quite an interesting video.
Speedo is off by 20 miles an hour too slow in many areas if not all of them
No it isn't, in the 1984 practice sessions the fastest car on the official speed trap was the WM @ 363 km/h (225mph). The Dome wasn't as quick as that.
@@marks7197 It wasn’t far off. The Dome’s biggest problem was that it was seriously overweight at 936 kilos. But this speed is about right.
@@thethirdman225 The Dome was one of the quicker cars that year, not the quickest but it could do 350 or so meaning that graphic in premise isn't wildly off the mark. It's also a practice session so probably wasn't going at full tilt either.
@@thethirdman225 The Dorset Racing RC82 car with the 3.3 that actually raced in 1984 was overweight at 960kg in scrutineering but not the car in the clip, the Factory 3.9 RC83 pictured here was only 850kg which was less than many of the private 956's.
@@marks7197 The Dome was only fast on the straight. It was otherwise not very competitive. But I agree, the graphic is probably quote close to the mark.
The speed up top left? ...totally wrong.
You come to this conclusion how? It's obvious the speed is coming from the car's telemetry.
So what's your version of events then?
Be Impressive IF it was MPH
I'm all for going fast. But this track layout is boring as hell compared to the most recent iteration. Back in the era of 205 tires and a aluminum chassis :o lol.
The Dunlop Curve was cool.
not a Nissan. its a 1983 Dome RC83 with a ford cosworth engine. in later years it became the Toyota Dome(TOM's) group c and gtp cars with the 4 cyl turbo thru 1988
what is f1 ...lmao
Old layout is much better.