Sea of Faith1 - Don Cupitt - Documentary : (Galileo & Pascal)
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- The Mechanical Universe. Galileo Galilei, René Descartse and Blaise Pascal & his 'Pensées' all feature in this the 1st episode of 'Sea of Faith'.
Don Cupitt looks at the origin of the idea of a mechanistic universe & a distant God.
Sea of Faith.
The Complete Series • Sea of Faith - The Com...
In this thoughtful and discursive series philosopher Don Cupitt explores how Christian thought nurtured, and responded to an increasingly materialist/realist/rationalist modern world-view. Revd Professor Cupitt consideredly meanders through the works and lives of a miscellany of thoughtful coves including Galileo Galilei, René Descartes, Blaise Pascal, William Smith, Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, David Friedrich Strauss, Kierkegaard, Schopenhaurer, Annie Besant, Vivekananda, Albert Schweitzer, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein and others. This learned, yet accessible, and frankly slightly odd series, is just the sort of thing you don't see on TV anymore.
I believe this series is still available on DVD via the "Sea of Faith Network". www.sofn.org.uk...
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Full Episode 1 of Don Cupitt's 1984 BBC documentary "Sea of Faith". The Mechanical Universe Complete, Entire. SoF.
Pascal Pensées, Philosophy, God, Christianity, Science, Religion, Western Thought, History, Theology. Philosophy.
people who preserve wonderful old programmes like this are doing an important thing. thanks.
DMA Lewis they are indeed much appreciated 🙏🏾
well not really lol. theyre breaking copyright laws.
OLD ? Is Blake or Shakespeare OLD ? Bishop Butler,,,a thing is what it is and not another thing
@@shaonicolas7255 But they are also withholding learning. The BBC has a huge collection of excellent programmes which are not available except on CZcams
yes
they dont make shows like this any more.
Thanks for this fascinating programme. Well remember it being on TV in the 80s. BBC could do worse than remaster it and make it generally available, if they haven't done their usual trick of wiping the tapes!
The passage used from "Pensees" by Pascal was extremely brilliant!
👁⇢🔭✨💫...👾🔬⇠👀...✝🔥Pascal was clearly an early, and very vocal proponent of irreducible complexity and "Intelligent Design"...
📚🧐Fine Company I keep...if I do say so myself..
This was such a great series - thanks for putting it on CZcams 🙂.
Thanks God for the internet! Excellent documentary looking forward to binge watching the entire series.
This is a great series. It is in keeping with the likes of James Burke's "The Day the Universe Changed"
Galileo - 14:16
Pascal - 30:04
Good that this is still available.
This truly is a great series, but when I contemplate the fact that this video has 48k views while one of Kent Hovind's has 511k, I am filled with a terrifying dread.
It's not how many views they get today, but how many in ten years. I would bet that Hovind has disappeared.
hurrah for Don Cupit
Though I like this series, it glosses over the political landscape of post-Reformation Europe during the time of the Galileo controversy. Note that the Jesuits purpose at the time of the order's creation was a reunification of the Church, and that Reformers, like Luther and Melancthon, were biblical literalists, who vehemently opposed Copernicanism. The Jesuits played a central role in Galileo's condemnation because their interests laid elsewhere, finding common ground with Protestants to help move toward reunification, viewed as a greater purpose than supporting an unproven theory at the time. Rejecting Galileo would have been seen as a small price to pay in the interests of unifying fractured Europe.
Thank you for posting. Great viewing. Thank you!
I lived in the U. S. for more than 33 years. I do not remember watching an American program that attempted to do what this series attempted. A few Bill Moyers programs on PBS may be worthy of mention; but not close... That said, I find this program to be overproduced and with overdramatic use of 'music.' Even though I consider myself a philosopher, I also think that far too much emphasis is given to philosophers who ended up writing influential books. Future documentarians may do well by placing more emphasis on people (of whatever faith, or lack thereof) who live lives of virtue and service to humankind --as well as the flora and the fauna. I highly recommend a documentary (which aired on PBS): "Weapons of the Spirit" (1987).
This is excellent stuff! Thank you for uploading.
fantastic! one word. How much I have learned without going to any university.
If you were to ask the presenter whether he believed in God as an Anglican or erstwhile Anglican priest, I think he would be hard pressed to answer in the affirmative. He comes at the end of a process by which faith in the Western European sphere has been subject to the 'Enlightenment' and than the astonishing intellectual breakthroughs of Darwinism. Now Anglicanism is little more than a feel good social movement amidst the consumerism of the modern age. Forgive me for categorising you, please do not take offence, but have you seen Timothy Winter/Abdal Hakim Murad on CZcams?
@@AbuLaith1963 I am not interested in listening to a counterintuitive view for the time being. I enjoyed watching the documentary, irrespective of what views and beliefs, the presenter holds.
@@syedadeelhussain2691 Fair enough
Thank you for this ❤️
"Not even the most way-out religious conservative believes we can do without modern medicine." Obviously this man has never been to the United States.
these americans... they look like regular humans and behave just like that but something must be different about them, and I believe that it is for cultural and not for genetic reasons of intelligence, that whatever I hear from or about them strikes me either with the intelligence I would expect from a human being or with a thoughts seated so deep in the core of their culture, thoughts that cannot be found somewhere else this wide spread.
But I also don't want to believe in the standard explanation, which says that it is all due to the founding of their nation, for this phenomena.
As a European I followed their elections and this year I wondered whether I also have become a product of american culture, for I watched with feelings of sensation how characters from a reality TV show run their campaigns and I too have become a consumer of their political entertainment and I look upon their culture with the same feelings of superiority they once felt, when they made "the Negros" a spectacle and exposed them staged and naked in cages for the public. I too have become part of the spectacle think of myself as a sane person, gazing across the Atlantic. But I guess I'm not the only one who through objecting their culture and the cultural imperialism has become part of their culture or at least more alike to the amused and entertained american.
Perhaps there is a greater truth in laughter than in serious cogitation...
He is a Prof at Cambridge...he has been around the World...he is now an Agnostic or non realist Christian
Anyone who "used to be a Christian" never was one. You would not leave if you knew Christ.
Though I like this series, it does need a rebuff or two. In Dame Francis Yates great work, The Art of Memory, Giordano Bruno was not executed for his belief in heliocentrism. A bit more complicated. He was in the position of a teacher and was thrown out of every Protestant country he went to spreading his own doctrines.
Astrology and Magic: Bruno was also interested in astrology and magic, which were considered forbidden arts by the Church.
Heretical Beliefs: Though he was a Dominican, he rejected the doctrine of the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, and the authority of the Church. He also believed in an infinite universe with many worlds, which contradicted the Church's teachings on the nature of the cosmos.
Pantheism: Bruno was also a pantheist, which means he believed that God is identical to the universe itself. This was considered a heretical belief by the Church, which taught that God is distinct from the created world.
Rejection of Transubstantiation: Bruno rejected the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation, which holds that during the Eucharist, the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ. Instead, he believed that the Eucharist was symbolic.
Denial of the Virgin Birth: Bruno also denied the virgin birth of Jesus, another central tenet of Catholicism.
Writings: Bruno's writings, particularly his philosophical and theological works, were considered dangerous and heretical by the Church. He was accused of promoting ideas that were contrary to Catholic doctrine and of spreading heresy.
Refusal to Recant: Bruno was given several opportunities to recant his beliefs and retract his writings, but he refused to do so. This led to his eventual trial and conviction for heresy.
His refusal to recant these beliefs and retract his writings ultimately led to his execution by the Roman Inquisition. Science folk still think he was a martyr to science.
Thanks for that wonderful summary - I find myself very much in sympathy with this gentleman's ideas. How tragic and brutal is a religion that has to kill those who have, and dare to share their different personal spiritual experiences and philosophical understandings.
@@papercup2517 Cultural unity importance wasn't owned by any religion/culture back when violence of the other was an ever present threat. These days we can comfortably watch wars from screens and declare moral superiority.
Cool!!!
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Deep thoughts transformative documentary substance with subliminal style of surreal artforms resting movement on surfaces scaled self contents fills the othering contexts grounded truths and facts toned voice of experience enlightens both heart and heart at the same time and space beholding the values that binds, builds, bonds and breaks connections between and beyond. Thanks lot for insights.
Great, many thanks😊👍❤️
Modern man in search of a Soul 🙏
Awesome job, 10x!
BTW I think this series is still available on DVD via the "Sea of Faith Network".
It is! £12.50 for all 6 episodes. Have used them in schools and discussion groups!
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May I request the closed captions option be switched on? The Auto generated captions is all I ask, as I am 'special' and 'slow'. So the subtitles make it easier to take notes. And, many thanks for uploading this.
Brilliant!
Anglican Priests for a soft landing, a continual landing perhaps, of the end of faith. A Christian way to end it?
22heloise22 Exactly the way I like to look at it.
Why can't i download it bro
Galileo was shown the instruments of torture, and recanted.
"pure, se muove!" he muttered under his breath.
"However, it does move! "
As for the place of religion in medicine , God is the ultimate placebo!
In case anyone was wondering as I was Don Cupitt is not a Christian in any real sense as he says at the beginning. He may have been at the time of filming its hard to say since he tends not to give straight answers, but from what I could make out when reading about him he is at present something of a Christian Atheist.
It's pretty clear at the end of this episode that he can't accept the supernatural stuff
This is a reductive way of thinking about his faith. He still considers himself a Christian to this day, and he doesn't think very much of the accusations of Atheism because, as he alludes to in this episode, yesterday's heresies are today's orthodoxies. What is considered atheism at any given time is only so relative to the other ideas that we have about religion.
Around 200 AD Origen of Alexandria, the most popular Christian writer of his era said that most of the Bible was metaphorical and allegory. He even goes so far to say that only childish fool believes in Genesis literally. And yet many Christians believe in Genesis literally. So who is right? We literally have thousands if denominations and hundreds of thousands often contradictory interpretations.
For me the most profound Christian writer of the 20th century was Paul Tillich who I think would have fit in this series because Tillich was both a pastor and studied existential philosophy.
The way that Tillich responded was to point out that Christian and Judaism is a record of phenomenological and ontological questions of being and points to the Bible to make his case.
But other Christians accuse Tillich of heresy because he refuses literalist interpretation And Tillich actually accuses them of idolatry mistaking a symbol for the ultimate in the same way explained by Isaiah.
The question then is what is Christian? It seems today thaf the charge of “he is not a real Christian“ is a way of refusing to be challenged, which is a very lazy way of practicing religion.
Can I get scripts of these videos? I'm interested in translating these into other languages.
I don't know but the "Sea of Faith Network" might be able to help you with that.
www.sofn.org.uk/
Incidentally a book acompanied the series, and though it was not just a set of transcripts, it might be helpful.
Appreciate!!!
Sounds pragmatic thus scientific logic
does anyone know what the last song with the string section is?
I think the strings bit is music composed for the series, it then segways into "The Spacious Firmament on High".
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Unmoved mover (Aristotle)
whats the poem at the start?
1:25
There was nothing about descartes here😅, Or did i missed it?
Good point, he is mentioned in passing at about 31:24.
Sorry in my memory there was directly more about him.
Pascal's commentary is sufficient
What progress we haven't made. The irony is that the big bang theory has answered Genesis whilst trying to disprove religion. Even the most hardened scientist has to admit you need something to bang against something to create a big bang .
My DR gave prescription written on it "Happiness "
5:54
33:58
Religion in the west were becoming less strict in the industrial revolution
Galileos theory about the solar system revolving the sun were true and he was almost killed because of people not believing in him
Pascal says that you can either believe or not believe in god, we will never know the truth
Yet Copernicus Kepler and Galileo were devout Christians, Keplers cosmology in particular was guided by his belief in God, Sorry Dawkins
* tips fedora *
Jesus is not a myth! The atheists always claim that.
Can someone have been real, and be a myth?
Voltaire was right. “ Cultivate your own Garden” Find it your in your family, friends, enjoy a good cup of coffee and get laid as much as possible in your garden. That is the secret of life. Don’t spend your time in religious bullshit.
Carpe Diem my mortal friend.
Sex is boring
while i agree with many of the sentiments of the presenter, such as the idea that human life should be given dignity and value "up to the last breath", i have to profoundly disagree with the conclusions drawn here. Humanity does not need a god to value our existence, nor is feeling the sole province of religion. What moral cowardice to say so, and intellectual blindness to ignore the desperation of Pascal's wager and the corruption of Galileo's suppression.
Religion was created to control the masses and it's done the job very well.
Vikas Thakur Not entirely true!, although it is true that religion have been used to seriously damage scientific knowledge and advancement,.However religion was not created, it evolved through out the prehistory. Neanderthals, for example are believed to be religious, as there is evidence suggesting it, from their burials! Of course that religion as well as other ideas have been used to control the masses!
I think Cupitt's looking at Pascal etc from the perspective of the seventeenth century. It's easier for us now to say 'humanity does not need a God (a supernatural, medieval god, that is) to value our existence', because we have learnt to live with the concept, but in Pascal's time it must have felt as if the entire foundations of humanity had given way. It would be like learning today that all we thought we knew about mathematics or astronomy, for example, was completely false.
I appreciate that, however Cupitt made this documentary in our time, and comes across as a religious apologist
7kurisu Well I suppose that's because he is coming from a fairly traditional Anglican background, as he points out he was a clergyman at one time. As I understand it, Cupitt (and the Sea of Faith movement of which he is a part) is attempting, as Jung did, to reclaim the central themes of religion from superstition and the supernatural. Whether this makes him a religious apologist I'm not sure. I'd say an apologist was more somebody like CS Lewis who held a traditional, supernatural view of religion.
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