We must climb down several decks
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- čas přidán 18. 02. 2012
- Show: Stargate SG-1
Season: 2
Episode: 1
Title: The Serpent's Lair
Original air date: 26/06/1998
Full episode on Stargate SG-1 official channel: • Serpent's Lair
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In this clip:
Christopher Judge as Teal'c
Richard Dean Anderson as Colonel Jack O'Neill
Amanda Tapping as Captain Sam (Samantha) Carter
Tony Amendola as Master Bra'tac - Zábava
Irony: The man most famous for playing a character who comes up with ridiculously complex, improvised solutions, using the most simple and direct solution to the problem.
To be fair, improvised solutions are needed only when there are no conventional solutions. In this case there was conventional solution.
They just didnt show how he assembled the grenades himself 5minutes earlier.
@@MrAntiKnowledge Fun fact: Grenades come in three parts and require assembly.
There was an episode in the first season. I forget now if it was an out take or actually in the episode where Carter calls him macgyver. It was while they were stranded in antartica.
@@anyabar1987 Yes, it was an outtake.
When I think about SG-1's tone, I think of this scene specifically.
Everything is taken seriously... It's just that sometimes someone takes the most straightforward obvious answer
It's like when CP-1 met the Red Dragon.
RD: "I am a dragon."
Neil Jakoby: "Dragon as in fire breathing, flying, treasure..."
RD: "Not all dragons breathe fire. Some breathe water, ice, acid, many things...there's even one that breathes time."
Jake Danielson: "Time???"
Jakoby: "Don't get him started on some theoretical bullshit. OK, not all dragons breathe fire. What do you breathe?"
Red Dragon: "Fire."
Jakoby: "Nice."
It's like when they're trying to find the Eye of Ra and Jonas is trying to find out how to open the secret compartment, and Carter just shoots it.
I've just started watching SG-1, and something I really enjoy is how the characters are, generally speaking, realistically smart. There is the understandable pattern where characters are more willing to disobey orders, or face less consequences for disobeying orders, than would ever happen in real life. But what is present in lots of shows, and largely absent in SG-1, is all those moments when characters do something stupid or miss something completely obvious for the sake of the plot. Sending unmanned probes, always having survival gear, moving carefully into rooms with their weapons up - the writers treat them like actual trained military personnel, and I really appreciate that. (and when somebody does do something reckless or against common sense, it's usually Daniel Jackson so there's an in-universe explanation of him being a wide-eyed scientist.)
@@jordan4192 Yeah, I love that tone in SG-1. Everyone else is far ahead on technology, but SG-1 is relentlessly practical and plays to win.
Its the same reason I love Stargate Atlantis too. Any other show would use complex technobabble to take down the enemy ships.
In SGA they just beam nukes onto hive ships and call it a day.
I love how Bra'tac got his eyes locked on the grenades as O'Neill was pulling off the pins like a cat intently watching a laser pointer.
Something I always loved about the actor, he was capable of making you believe it was the first time Bre'tac was seeing or experiencing something.
It's the little head jerk after the grenades explode that really sell it for me. As if he's thinking 'WTF did I just see?'
Payback for Bra'tac's earlier "observe, and learn" statement.
Matthew Marden and his comment about the grenades being primitive kinetic technology.
Those 2 made a fun duo
@@wolffang489 Well to be fair, Bra'tac used a flash grenade to knock a load of Jaffa out later and commented something like "that is a grenade".
You have to admire Jack's direct approach to the problem.
Also, I love how he tosses the pins in afterwards.
"I would very much like to have a weapon such as this."
"Get in line."
Considering Tealc traded in his staff for a magic axe and the like...I think he came out ahead.
@@JnEricsonx And "Boy".
... I know he has a name, but I will now forever know him as "Boy".
@@JnEricsonx that a dual wielding p90s
@@thomas.parnell7365 Can you imagine Kratos with 2 P90s? O.o
When the DM forgets about that one spell you have...
Delayed Blast Fireball.
counterspell
When you are replaying the tutorial mission and already know all the tricks.
I like how Bra'tac just nods his head ever so slightly a few times as if to say "okaaay... that works too."
Modern problems require modern solutions.
sci-fi problems arguably, but yes
DM : You can see the cursed seal, a dozen of levels below. You realize that you'll have to climb down fast as your friends are holding the demons, dying one after another, to give you enough ti-
Wizard : *I CAST FIREBALL*
DM: Oh for crying out loud Dave!
Artificer: grenades
Maximized Fireball
Check out Deerstalker Pictures. They do D&D spoof clips with a cute demon girl who loves casting Fireball spells.
@@scissorbeaksgames8208 I already know this channel, the tiefling is a true monster with these fireballs.
fluffer nutter
Jack was like "screw that, I have grenades..." XD
Let gravity do the work!
As would any advance society. Explosives are a universally useful tool.
As Jayne would say, "Sure is nice to have 'em don't ya think?"
S-094 Cam.......... Indeed
But, they were just gonna occupy the place, not occupy it!
As Jayne also said "Grenades cost extra"
"Now what?"
"Now we die."
"Well *that's* a bad plan."
"oh yeah.... bad day"
"what is a grenade?"
"a crude explosive device"
then this....hahahaha
Pretty sure Jaffa used what would essentially be a stun grenade in the opener.
just a reminder that crude does not mean ineffective.
I thought the line was "An acute explosive device", not crude.
@@danielhaire6677 bloody imagine a naquada enhanced grenade be like a mini fusion bomb .
I love the look in Master Bra'tac eyes as Jack tosses the grenades. Jack: "grenades"
One of the funniest Stargate scenes 😁
"In the middle of my back swing!?"
My favorite line, from my favorite funny episode.
@@robschoneckeasy w
we as humans have much experience blowing up crap
That we have. Of course, so should the Goa'uld have, yet they seem to have dropped the ball somewhere along the line.
Which, humanity is more then happy to pick up the ball and win.
@@GoranXII cause they stole technology rather than develop it themselves.
@@chimeragenesis361 This is a trope that comes up far too often. The problem with it is (in this case), that the Goa'uld *reverse engineered* ancient technologies, which means they understood them plenty well enough. Maybe they missed some interim advancements that would have helped, but there is no way in hell development should have _stopped_ , not with so much infighting going on.
Gould didn't want to give too advanced of a weaponry to Jaffa.
I love how Jack is pretty much just goofing around in most of the situation and ends up coming out of the misery all the time, could be me ^^
But remember, in addition to grenades there are also shuttles! XD
And they are quite formidable ;)
To be fair though, those shuttles did save their lives
When your GM has more dungeon to explore, but it’s late and everyone’s tired.
I was once in a sci-fi game where we were stuck between a xenomorph infestation and a traitor with special ops training while on a spaceship that had lost power and the doors back to the spaceship we had boarded the ship from were locked.
A few grandes blew a hole in the hull, and being in space suits we just jumped off the ship and blew it and all of our problems up with anti capital ship weapons.
Don't give me big guns and expect me NOT to use them if I can get out of the blast radius.
Plan A: Charge bravely through the enemy's armies and force our way to our destination.
Plan B: *_Kaboom._*
Bra'tac: This will be a great effort
Jack: Let me introduce you to Great and Effort.
Apophis: i have an army
Oneill: we have grenades
We have a Hulk.
Good thing he's a Colonels, a grunt would have been on report for throwing away the pins.
"Now that is a grenade!"
" First we must climb down several decks- "
*Tosses several grenades*
0-o
"We are willing to lay down our lives for this cause."
"Yes, but the idea is to make the other side lay down their lives first."
There needed to be some equivalent to this in Mass Effect....seriously.
@Holy Diver ME2 and 3 had grenades as powers.
I think Jon meant a scene or gameplay mechanic like this :P
Yes, I could definitely see that as a Renegade interruption in ME 2 or 3.
@@mathdarven5634 There was that "You talk too much" scene, and I think several others in which Shepherd went into "do not have time for this BS" mode.
Closest would be shooting the gas tank under the yapping Krogan when going to "save" Maelon.
The Goa'uld really had no safeguards against intruders sabotaging their motherships from inside. Compare that to the Asgard and Ancients who used internal life signs detectors everywhere.
What is it with spaceship designers for would be galactic overlords and designing giant pits overlooking critical systems, creating glaring and exploitable weaknesses?
Hell, most of the time they don't even put in handrails.
Because workplace safety is for chumps. Suck it, OSHA!
Possibly the shield generators are at the bottom of a heat sink.
looks like they could have just shot at the shield generator from up there as well
New manager trying to instruct the guy who's worked there for a decade
Remember, a five second fuse, is really only three.
From the Jack O'Neill school of problem solving!
I think Master Bra'tac is impressed!
He took bra'tac's thunder 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah.. he could have at least let bra'tac finish speaking before being like "good plan but mines better"
Thanks
You're welcome
Grenades
This is one of the many great demonstrations of Tau'ri military superiority. Other factions have better technology, but they have a handful of different weapons, and need to find ways to use them for situations like this.
Tau'ri have a weapon or tactic for every scenario you can imagine strapped to the vest of each soldier, military doctrine that is about the best effective kill for the smallest bang, precision and simplicity is the idea.
But... but... what must me take our weapons and do?! I must know!
Are grenades not weapons? I think you saw exactly what you needed to do.
Bra'tac still the best!
"primitive explosive devices"
how primitive are they now, huh?
Poor braytac always trying to do things the hard way.
Well he didn't want to cross the bridge, as it was too heavily guarded.
LOL - Jack O'Neal for the win! :)
This slightly reminds me of a joke red dwarf made lol
INB4 the secondary explosions blow up the ship.
That's not really a worry, the nukes were already on the way (thus the need to blow the shield generator)
i always wished he had made the noise the old lady from titanic lol
A favorite B moment of mine.
You'd think a shield generator would have... um.. a shield?
They are not asgards...they are too stupid for that...
2 grenades are all you need to disable the shield generator
2 proton torpedoes is all it takes to take out a Death Star... It's all about where to hit, not how hard you hit.
@@Jedi_Scowen
One shell in the forward magazine ripped HMS Hood in two. One torpedo striking the rudder crippled the Bismarck. One torpedo took out all power aboard Ark Royal, meaning that one hit was enough to sink the whole carrier. One bomb blew the bow off the Arizona.
@@Jedi_Scowen Yeah, if you can bullseye a womprat.
Imagine be if the grenades turned out to be duds.
That or shoot it with a plasma lance from the same spot.
And then we die
Why wouldn't he have shot down why the staff weapon
It was probably resistant to energy weapons. Otherwise that enormous open section would be a huge weakness.
Also Staff Blasts are high-intensity directed blasts of heat. They're not necessarily the most effective anti-shield generator weapon. Basically by the time he'd done enough damage with his Staff to disable the generator there'd be an army of loyal Serpent Guards on his ass.
Staff weapons have been shown to have a pronounced effect on stone, crystal, soft tissue, and electronics. Exactly what you need to subjugate a primitive population or disable a foe's command center. Their effect on metal has been consistently poor, rarely penetrating or leaving more than scorch marks on the outer layer of a hardened target. Which is exactly what you need to leave a foe's technology structurally intact and ready for salvage.
The staff weapon actually makes a lot of sense for a magpie species. And I'm aware that this is a total justification and the weapon's performance is both erratic and nonsensical.
@@Ryvaken They are also effective CQC weapons, which helps a Jaffa's increased strength and healing rate for physically beating down populations.
Some shields, like Apophis personal shield, let slow moving things like a thrown staff weapon through but stops energy blasts and bullets, the shield on this probably works the same.
Are those M67s?
How did Jack safely pull the pins from 2 grenades?💥💀
Like this.
czcams.com/video/J2B7CvQ3RIg/video.html
@SGtidbits yep exactly like that
As long as the handle stays down when transferring to the other hand, ifs fine. Pulling the pin doesnt immediately start the reaction.
My suits a.i. would help
This scene was always silly to me. Any kind of smart alien would put forcefields around there sensitive technical equipment. Pretty much all the Aliens Stargate are dumbed down for plot purposes. I really doubt this would work in reality.
Pretty sure this was explicitly discussed in the show and boiled down to "Goa'uld have giant egos, literal god complexes, and don't take constructive criticism very well". Kinda like how bad staff weapons are despite their potential. When the snakes innovate, it's bad for everyone, so it's good they don't do that.
@@Takanuva3000 My suspension disbelief can only be pushed so far. I'm aware of the explanations laid out by the show creators. I just don't buy it because, aside from sabotage, a whole host of other things can go wrong. Ba'aal, Sokar, Yu, Thoth, and Thanos were extremely smart Goa'uld, that yes had some big egos, not big enough though to not consider the possibility of there own tech backfiring on themselves. Like the nameless Goa'uld running test on Naquadria for Anubis or Nerus reprograming the gates for Ba'aal.
It also doesnt make a ton of sense, especially in the early seasons that they would have shields around tech like this. You'd be loosing possibly essential shield power around the ship in the high probability you're attacked by another goa'uld, in exchange for protecting your generator from the much smaller probability that you get sabotaged from the inside. Later on this change would make sense because of how powerful the jaffa rebellion was becoming
So reckless for all Jack knew that could have blown up the ship or not destroyed the shields but gave away their position instead! He should have asked Tealc or Bratac what would happen first. I always thought scenes like this conflict with the "highly trained military personnel" aspect of the character. However I realise that contradictions like this are unavoidable when making an exciting storyline.
if this was the core/main reactor i would agree but out of all the sci-fi i've watched destroying ONLY the shields rarely if ever ends with the ship turning into space dust seeing as they typically have there own smaller power generator
And through the power of green screen technology they were all saved from potential secondary explosions or energy discharges that would have killed them all where they stood.