Minecraft Is Now Helping Pay-to-Win Servers… But It’s a GOOD Thing.
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- Recently, the official minecraft server list released. There was quite a lot of drama as many of the servers on the list were pay-to-win, so we got in contact with the websites creators and had a lengthy 2 hour conversation...
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0:00 - The Official Minecraft Server List
0:38 - Pay-to-Win?
4:01 - The Server List Is Actually Good?
8:07 - The Issues with The Official Server List
12:01 - An In-game Minecraft Server List?
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im about to make a casino, and add a new thing called "loot box" that can give you random things, or even nothing at all. so mojang removes gamblinf in minecrafts6
So basically mahjong allows halfgambling(lootboxes) but have problems with gunmods according to your video+mahjongTOS and thats a good thing? I dont think i want to watch your content anymore,doesnt seem appropriate for me after i heard what was spoken about voting sites and gamersafer,basically: bad practice from 1 side = good and bad practice from other side = bad
Hope you have non ironically fantastic day regardless and bye bye!
The part where "gambling" only seems to affect actual simulations of real life gambling reminded me of how when Pokemon Red and Blue got released for Virtual Console they got rated 12 in Europe because of the Game Corner. (Also the fact that it's applied only in this way is definitely concerning)
Does that mean that if a real casino starts selling loot boxes, servers must stop selling them?
@@nikolaysitnikov796New business idea
Hard to say if casinos would do such things though it is more probable in arcade shop(then again if you look at Japan gachapons exist outside everyfew stores)
I mean those lootboxes are just the same as Gacha
@@nikolaysitnikov796that's called a scratch-off
I'd love to see Mojang and ultimately Gamersafer make a more firm definition for P2W. Right now its waaaay too vague. We as a community have a pretty firm definition (That is nothing that gives you a firm advantage on official server leaderboards like baltop and istop which a lot of player competition is held over) and I'd love to see them adopt something along the lines of that.
I feel like that definition is too narrow, personally. For example, I don't think you should be able to buy weapons and tools on a leaderboardless survival world, as competition is inherent in a finite (though large) world with limited resources. But that definition allows it. I guess you would consider that to be semi-P2W, but I don't think it's acceptable, especially when (as discussed in the video) coupled with loot box type gambling mechanics.
I doubt Mojang will ever be that strict with P2W, but I can dream.
Hi Horizon
They'll keep it vague because Mojang can avoid any liability as to when they decide to enforce it and when they don't. They have zero incentive to make it more clear.
I'll say this, if your server does get denied just because of map art and people making intricate redstone builds that could be seen as gambling, then there's no doubt that there will be some drama and outrage
Ye, and if that does happen, then let’s just say I will be ready and waiting for the s**t show video dissing GamerSafer or Mojang, or even both, so ye, and if this does happen, then I will DEFINITELY be on MrEpic’s side
@@bumblebell07streammod same here, because redstone, like map art, is a creative effort to make something so detailed, and people take time to work on stuff like that
I guess I'll never build the redstone powered Poker table on our semi-vanilla SMP, a thing I wanted to make. But build it on a private SMP I own instead.
imagine having a map art saying flat fuck while (fuck) means (sex) and flat is thing, imagine allowing that and teahc that to younger playerbase
@@MikeSchuchhard1038 then maybe they could add age ratings to the servers on the list, although they'd prolly make the highest rating a server could have pegi 3.
If they decide to embed the server list into the launcher or serverlist, that could mostly remove the problem of google not showing their website! Because nobody will need to google any serverlist at all anymore.
the thing is that not everyone are using the official launcher.
@@bafbihmn6301 this. the launcher is too bloated for me and that's why i don't use the real launcher.
@@bafbihmn6301 so? pirated clients can't connect to official servers anyways
@@bafbihmn6301many of the folks who are not using the official launcher are also probably looking beyond the first google result and the first server of the list, but yes they should prioritize SEO.
what about the client tho?@@bafbihmn6301
I would also like to point out that if you are active within certain server's communities, its possible to pay for an unban by contacting server staff and buying certain items off the store as a way to "pay" for your unban without actually buying an unban. Some other servers have a workaround that offers a free way to get unbanned but you can buy coins to then buy an unban, like on minecadia.
Just corruption lol
@@pezpeculiar9557Gaming imitates life.
@@pezpeculiar9557no lol unbans are vital for a server to stay cheater free. Money from unbans funds R&D for anti-cheat development to keep the server cleaner. There’s incentive to improve the anticheat because the cleaner the server is the more money they will make and the more money can go to improving the anticheat, hence unbans being vital for servers to keep their server cheater free
Yeah I remember this on Vortex I played for a bit and you would have players use kill aura and aimbots who always seemed to have an expensive rank
Yeah, i think it makes sense... although how on earth lootboxes can't be considered gambling is beyond me.
if i remember correctly it was to do with how on "normal" gambling if you lose you don't get anything back, while lootboxes always give you something in return(even if said something may be absolutely worthless), meaning it counts as buying something rather than gambling, thats the loophole i think, tho dunno how up to date that is
I have 0 idea on how it actually works, but could them selling keys be a loophole since it also isn't the crate itself?
@@cristianverdugogalaz8725 Except the items in a lootbox DO have worth. Inherent worth in the context of the game you're in, social worth in the community. These things alone are psychologically powerful enough to have a similar if not equal pull to regular gambling. They are the same thing, and just as insidious.
I think as long as real money is spent for a random chance to win something, it should be considered gambling.
They are considered gambling in Belgium
oh wow, i saw this on my notifications and didnt even realize i clicked it 5 seconds after it came out
Good for you !
According to the video here is how any player can get any server removed from the list.
1.Find a server where the players are able to place blocks and not reset at the end of the game/match (so stuff like survival/skyblock/creative etc)
2. Do something that could break the guidelines, examples being shown at 10:20
3. Report the server to be removed from the list for breaking guidelines
(This is why there is that warning on games that online multiplayer gameplay is not rated...)
Not really. The server reviewers pointed those out because they were just allowed to exist without any mod interference. If what you say happens then the server owners might just be notified that someone is breaking the rules and the server owners/mods just break the build
I doubt mojang will communicate with server owners before deleting the server. Also there is a lot of space in a minecraft world, meaning a mod/admin would have to find the build to destroy it, meaning they would have to find a way to detect when a player is building at all minimally or if they build specific thing.
It would be cool if the official Minecraft Server List had a sort of age requirement for certain servers. That way, you don't have to force EVERY server to be kid friendly, so that servers with profanity and such don't have to be forcibly shut down. After all, Minecraft is about doing whatever you want, so if you want to play a server with swearing, you should be allowed to, provided you're old enough.
FINALLY someone on YT whom I watch calls out those horrible Minecraft server voting sites. I remember back when I would play multiplayer all the time and was constantly looking for servers with parkour and/or skywars, and the VAST majority of servers I joined didn't have what I was after. I long since abandoned those sites as I rarely play multiplayer Minecraft these days, but I never forgot how misleading they could be.
Speaking of Manacube though, I remember voting for Manacube a lot back when I played on it regularly. I didn't even do it for the server lol, I just did it for the voting crate keys I got as a reward. The server is definitely very pay-to-win, what with higher ranks giving you HUGE advantages over lower ranks, not to mention non-ranked players. Kinda regret spending money on it when I was younger and thought ranks/cosmetics were the coolest things ever.
It's honestly really nice to see Mojang/Microsoft creating their own server list through a company partnership. Assuming the access to entry is low and simple, so many underrated servers can have an opportunity to grow. Hopefully it goes smoothly, if it does I can see this being a major win for Mojang/Microsoft.
Amazing vid too even though I'm not finished yet lol. I really like seeing your style of content, it's super unique and really sets you apart! Super late congrats on 600K, can see you reaching 1 mil within a year!
Noo don't remove the "Flat Fuck" mapart. That's like my favorite one
Same
really baffeling how they ban anything that looks like casinos but explicitly allow the act of gambling and encouraging people to gamble.
This is the most stupid stance against "gambling" I've ever seen, it's literally just optics but the actual thing that's the issue is totally fine by them.
There has always been and will always be p2w servers out here and much other dangerous servers. But for minecraft to get that stuff on the official page is messed up, it should be obvious that they are twisting the words in the mc rules.
I do think an server list run by Mojang can do wonders, but recently community trust in Mojang has fallen so I think there are some valid concerns here
as someone who's owned a small server for 5 years, i can completely vouch for the frustration that voting websites cause. im hoping that this new one fixes a lot of those issues
What's the server?
I'm interested as well in seeing your server
It would be neat if you could post the entire discussion. (Of course, editing out anything that they can not disclose to the public.)
Would allow everything to be more transparent which is good for something that is likely to cause a lot of discourse.
I am very excited to see how this turns out. My server is a lot smaller and is anti PTW but my application hasn't been processed yet.
Long story short - Minecraft used to be a game for everyone, and now mojang is selling out and pandering to children
Now that they have an official sever list they could make the whole chat reports thing mandatory for severs on the list and opt-in for servers off the list.
Another way microsoft can really help smaller servers grow is by DMCA-ing all the garbage server listing sites.
The time of the rich server owners growing richer and poor server owners going further into poverty and debt is over. Its time for the poor server owners to benefit and the rich owners to not have as much money flowing in.
Since 2018 Belgium recognizes lootboxes as gambling, just leaving that here.
I've been enjoying your server for a bit, MisterEpic. I love Civ Factions despite the low player count, it's pretty great. However, there is an issue I'd like to discuss in particular, that being limiting Simple Voice Chat to a donation tier. I'd like to argue that while at first it's inclusion may not seem like aq big deal, it's actually a HUGE deal. Imagine snooping on the conversation of an opposing civilization nearby, or providing quicker information to fellow civ members of an attack, or just generally quicker team coordination. For these reasons, I deem this a competitive advantage to Factions, and while I do not expect it to be made free, I at least would like your consideration or thinking, since not every Minecraft player has Discord, and most Java players use mods to make Java reasonably playable to begin with.
There is another big problem with some of these servers and I thank FITMC for pointing this out in his videos: Hackers can and have turned these sites into attack sites designed to log your personal and financial information. Honestly, when playing Minecraft, make your own world, invite some friends but avoid these "recommended" sites.
one kind of badge I wish they had was a "unique features" one to promote servers with unique takes on things rather then the generic ones. For things like ACTUAL RPG servers, those with quests or prison servers with unique features (like the old FruitMC or Pluteria one).
if i had plans on making my server public, my server would benefit SO MUCH from this! my server has minigames, and each minigame is unique to my server and is an original concept by me and/or my friends.
@@donutstudios6353If you ever make it public, could you sent the IP here (Don’t forget to reply to everyone that replies here if they want it)?
That is an incredibly subjective thing tho, and one that gets outdated the moment they approve a server with similar features.
@@GamerTowerDX by unique, I mean ones that aren't on most servers-doesn't matter if only a couple have it, it's still different from the generic bedwars/skyblock/prison etc ones.
Manacube has a lot of interesting past re: the owners, buying out a server ive staffed for and running it into the ground due to lack of advertising, little to no contact with the servers owner and a complete disconnect from the manacube staff team overall, some interesting stuff
It would be handy to have a link to the server list in the launcher
I always look forward to seeing your videos every Saturday
amazing video as always tho i have a small issue with the editing in that you make the background music way to loud and make it hard to hear you sometimes this is really the only problem in all your videos so personally i would lower the music volume if i were you
And ofc they went the "if you cant defeat it, join it" way with gambling
Another issue is that there is a badge that means that you apply a global ban list and use ID/age verification
Awesome video. Minecraft really is the circumference to a cube.
you havent even fully watched the vid why are you saying its awesome 😭
@@fo-od To get as many likes as possible? I guess.
It was an awesome video.
Funny. I just seen SaCl's video and he's like "i talked to folks" and i seen your pfp which is just, by now, unmistakable as yours, so i figured you'd be making a video about it too 😂
This is just stupid. They very well are objectively gambling 🤦♀️ just because it's a vague roulette wheel vs a recreated "actual" roulette wheel. C'mon, guys...
Gambling needs to be extended to lootbox mechanics, simple as. I've given up hope that Mojang will be less lax about online multiplayer interactions (which are traditionally intentionally not rated by EU regulatory bodies), so if they're gonna tighten up any restrictions I hope it's with gambling.
I recently joined a server that has a lot of stuff like magic spells, bending, werewolves and vampires. But they also have crates.
The crates are in a seperate lobby and require you to warp there. I just don't really mention them or visit them on stream, so my viewers aren't encouraged to use the crates. If they want crates, they have to look for it on their own. I myself also don't use the crates, as i just don't like them that much.
I swear to god if I see one more comment saying ‘I love it when so and so puts his content juices into me’
Bro I cant even explain this. Your such a fucking good youtuber man. PLEASE keep on uploading for ever.
Loot boxes DO exist in real life, capsule machines are an example of it. Just you don't see them in casinos, so folks think it's perfectly innocent.
One more step towards improving the whole Minecraft servers scenario, one video at a time.
You know, all it would take is a button in minecraft that redirects you to the official minecraft server list...
That would solve the google search issue...
They should simply add a category within the website called "no gameplay-altering microtransactions" or something of the sort. This way there can still be P2W servers on the list, however players can easily find servers with a completely equal environment.
The difference between loot boxes and gambling is that Loot Boxes = you get something albeit sometimes a lesser value than what you purchased it BUT you still get something while gambling on the other hand is basically just a middle finger to you saying you get nothing if you lose. that is pretty much the loophole they're using
I was scrolling through a server list back in 2016. I joined a small faction server I found, and met the owners of the server. We became friends. Now it’s 2023 and we have remained good friends since, even with those days on Minecraft being long gone.
If it wasn’t for server list I’d never have those memories of Minecraft which I do now.
9:23 This is Holow Knight greenpath music!!!
Honestly if this webiste turns out good its gonna be so good for the community
I just want to say if you look at the Xbox legacy console versions of Minecraft, the game is rated everyone 10+. Now, the game is tailored to those under 10. Funny
True!
It's a great idea for them to host their own website for servers which is why I'm concerned and worried
I think it’s good for them to have the ones for spending money as at least if mojang gets a cut it’s good as it would be like the marketplace both being good as it funds the game
I would love to see the official server list be added into the game itself. Fingers crossed that does happen.
what about Games of Chance vs Games of Skill? There is a lot of internet legislation around that.
Also I'm happy to see you reaching out and not simply making videos about what you feels isn't working.
Lootboxes are a bit of a pain to regulate tbh. They'd need to trace conversion of real world money into in-game resources, and check if any chain of resource conversion leads to lootboxes. On the other hand, if they temp ban servers that try to use these loopholes for a few months, it might be doable
You still did not explain how helping pay to win for kids is a good thing
seeing massivecraft pop up in the video gave me such a wave of nostalgia
3:30 so if i add loot boxes and crate like things to a casino will mojang ban them in game?
3:40
Isnt that the systemzee server?
At the end of the day its MILES ahead of what we had before which I think is a win. Microsoft, a company that's been very hands of with mojang finally taking action is good to see
I wouldn't say Microsoft have been hands off with Mojang. I can see how they've pulled strings more and more as the years go by. But if they drop the "omg, think about the kids!!1!" attitude when accepting servers (In terms of the no swearing, etc requirements) then I think this server list might be the rare good change they've made.
I think you can cooperate with other YT creators to make your own list of good non-p2w servers that are known to you that you can play with fun
You know it's a good video when it pops up on your recommendation page and says posted one minute ago lol.
lol true
Can you post the full interview?
7:29 That statement is what the forsaken Purple Prison needs to be converted too
I think the idea of having a server list in the launcher or in game is huge. Server list websites are kinda pay to win in their own regard, so to be able to prioritize fair server listings sounds like a great way to deal with them. And also on that note, since microsoft's server list is supposedly unbiased, that would mean people could intentionally vote for servers that do not have gambling mechanics, while not voting for ones that do. We would have to have a large portion of mc players doing this to make a difference, but the fact that someone cant pay to push a high voted server down is a good start.
9:42 I played on that server for a brief few months :o
solution: open up a crate gambling casino irl. (also a non-p2w badge would be cool)
They should just integrate the official server list in the launcher & game itself so when u click on multiplayer you can get a server list from the website
would these servers be allowed in countries like belgium which have an explicit prohibition on lootbox or lootbox like mechanics in games?
The server list in Minecraft could look like the one from Essential Mod
Nah bro, if your server doesn't get in because of the "casino thing" then that would be sus as heck. I've played on Lover Fella's server in the past and that exact casino setup is built in so many shop bases. And his server is on their website.
Also the vague eula from Mojang, I don't ever see them clearing it up because just like CZcams and many other companies, they like being able to take things down if they don't like it personally. And having a vague eula allows them to do that.
I wonder if loot boxes will be considered prohibited if laws change to more broadly consider loot boxes to be gambling.
map art bad, p2w predatory lootboxes good... totally not morally corrupt
The offending map art is hilarious
As a new mc watcher, I'm just surprised this ain't out 8 years ago aldy.
time to write a comment about the video that came out less than two minutes ago and haven't watched more than 40 seconds of
real
So true
Loot boxes/crates are essentially just slot machines.
Hi, I'm from planet Minecraft and I am here to review your server.
You seem to have quite some influence, pls try to tell them, to allow multiple filter searches at once.
Yk, If you want to track down as many people as possible who making PTW servers in order to ban them in such a way that they couldn’t come back with alts this would be one of the best methods. Just get those people to officially register for these server lists then wait a while before mass banning them, now with enough info about the real life person to be able to track down any alts they might use. Though I doubt that’s Microsoft’s plan.
We’re going to get a new flavor of what we already had. It’ll just be slightly more transparent with very similar core issues.
8:14 yooo im in the video on the tab list lol
As a player of opblocks i can confirm there is a survival gamemode on it
Are there also 1.8.9 servers featured?
An irl casino should add lootboxes, so those technically simulate irl gambling and get banned
Thanks for sharing your comments, TME! I'm glad we'll get a chance to prove ourselves as we keep building this site, and work with the community to build something genuinely useful and fair
I look forward to it :)
All you proved is your incompetence
How do you find the legit, non-botted playecounts of these servers?
Solution : sell lootboxes in real life so the servers are forced to remove them
What if we create a IRL casino with loot crates so Mojang have to remove them from IG server
@TheMisterEpic I love your OG xbox 360 xbox live profile picture
Nice hollow knight ost
bro’s the only person i would trust to play a mc server can you tell us the best factions and prison server?
I know Microsoft didn't like crates because of gambling and wanted Mineplex (bedrock) to phase them out.
In general the guidelines are vague and what is considered problematic has changed over time and the amount Mojang has focused on enforcement has also not been consistent either.
Yeah, it was my complaining about player casinos that got me banned from MineSuperior. It doesn’t matter if the “games of chance” ie: slot machines, are for real money or not. The Statute’s of the US (where most servers are hosted) prohibit offering games of chance to minors.
i approve, it makes it easier for dupers to find those servers
I don't think I would mind if they implemented a server browser in all versions of minecraft, the top search results on google sounds much worse.
I used to play on a prison server on Manacube... It was heavily P2W cause they would reset the whole server every(x) amount of days, I think it was like 30-60 days(give or take).
And if you were a F2P player, you would lose all of your items, achievements, upgrades on your pickaxe, etc
And in order to grind for the upgrades on your pickaxe you would need to grind and grind, and grind for hours just to get to like 5% of what a P2W person has.
Then there's the paid currency was still obtainable by you voting for the server(but you would only get 0.05 per vote) and trading 800K in-game currency, called: Mana. For 1 paid currency, which I forgotten the name for it.
Hopefully your server gets accepted
So a slot machine where pictures are spinning around, creating artificial excitement for landing that Jackpot is not allowed but it is allowed when you have pictures spinning around creating artificial excitement for landing that Jackpot. Got it.
The issue of gambling is a general problem in the gaming industry. Loot boxes and crates are not considered gambling by law. This is also the reason why companies such as Supercell or Hoyoverse make extensive use of these mechanisms. Nevertheless, their games such as Clash Royal or Genshin Impact have an age rating of 12 years.
By the way, I find it very interesting that the Minecraft community is losing its mind over things like the marketplace, while other companies like Supercell and many others use manipulation tactics to squeeze out money from their players.
The best way to make the Minecraft official voting site is if Microsoft and Mojang integrated the site into the Minecraft launcher.
Interesting that you mention Origin Realms because in my opinion the disgusting tactics they use with FOMO and loot boxes were the big problems not the arcade games.
W for the music
W for hollow knight music author is a man of culture
edit: GOD he plays greenpath theme for so long ( awesome)