Is The New Genshin Impact Banner A Scam?
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Would people rather have triple banners honestly? This way we don’t have to wait a year for a rerun
no because then f2p players would be required to decide whether they really want to roll or not because it takes roughly 3-4 months to get 90 wishes so there would be like 12 banners between those months
@@angrybird69420eatermonkey by the time they save up those wishes that character would probably return
I would rather have triple banners than this tbh. Or ideally, a standard banner 2. Since Genshin will continue to be frugal with rewards, this new banner is just another way to nickel and dime people. If we must have this, I would feel better about it if Chronicle was at a lower pity & if the Fate Point carried over.
@@angrybird69420eatermonkey where do you get 3-4 months from? this current patch around already give you around 70ish pulls, and usually a filler patch like next patch will give you around 50 pulls
@@angrybird69420eatermonkey Me who can get 90 wishes in the first phase of the character banner:
The Fate points not carrying over between banners is the biggest scam in all of this imo. Same with the weapon banner too actually.
You could still win the 50/50, who knows
I mean it kinda makes sense
Hear me out
If you're charting towards Jean
And lost to eula
But next banner Jean is not there
How can it carry over...
Plus it says for 42 days instead of 20 days in weapon banner
Just my take
@@MrBossOne....like character wish banner?
I mean, they definitely could make the fate point like that and retain the fact that you lost 50/50 in a banner and carry it over to the next so you won't lose that one.
how is the weapon banner scam when you have 2 fate points on the limited banner, and here you have 1? How is that nothing else but a win please explain i am dying to know
@@MrBossOne How can it carry over? My man, if you have 1 Fate point already, then when the next banner begins, you will have 1 fate point after you initially chart course on the next banner.
i dont have any problems with the new banner, i think it's great. but i have a huge problem with the fate point system. they shouldnt reset. that's the only BS here.
You just contradicted yourself 😅
I think that you should get what you want with no 50/50.
@@leon_9114 Yeah, i just dont have a better way to word it.
The only good one here is that if you have a preferred weapon in this banner, this is the "better weapon banner" than the weapon banner, assuming you have at least 180 fates incase you lose 50/50
@@leon_9114 It°s still a scam, just because the weapon banner is bad doesn°t make this one good.
It feels like a response to the "370 days without Eula! 16 patches since Albedo!" stuff. They aren't rerun often for a reason. When they did rerun Eula, her banner sales did awful because she is so niche (running her with Klee also didn't help.) This way, people who want these specific character can get them without having people who only pull for 'good' character complaining about a dead patch. Adding the standard characters on there felt like a smart move too.
That makes reruns go back faster. It's a totally win
I mean... Klee and Eula didn't re-run for so long.. people who wanted them/constellations most likely had tons of wishes saved in the span of over 1 year..
( Surely the fact that less people would've wished for them anyway contributed.. and other characters make them tons of money from newcomers and what else also having weapons more versatile
It wasn't just for being niche, but also because they took so long to rerun her banner. Being niche means most people weren't interested in pulling for her, but because they took so long (what was it, 500 days?) anyone that did want to get her had more than enough time to save up for her. The most dedicated could even get cons and her weapon without needing to pull out their wallets.
@johnsmithy1796 exactly. I'm waiting for Nilou, and I have 180 pulls for so long, just waiting for her banner. If she appeared in the new banner, I would be VERY HAPPY
I think another problem was that they nerfed physical attacks so much, that people who originally wanted Eula no longer pulled for her because her kit was nerfed out of meta. She used to be the strongest character in the game for a long time, and then they neutered her.
As a tighnari supremacist its a total win for hunters path wanters
Literally 😭 I was so sad I couldn't get it when his banner dropped at the beginning of Sumeru so I'm super happy to see it back
This is a totally win for everyone.
I as a F2P Tighnari main I'm absolutely excited for this just because of Hunter's Path, I'm pulling on that banner just for the Weapon and then I'm done
@@riddlerosehearts8277 Same
Honestly Is the only true value in terms of weapons. Unless still missing one of the 5 stars weapons from standard. In my case is the sword and the spear
I have neither eula nor klee so I'm really happy because they are two of my favourites characters
My thought too is that if i set the path on a characters say its albedo i could still wish, get a 5 star and lose to klee so i think its actually still a little better than losing to just a standard character or a standard weapon
@@Imkyuuchan I wish you the best of luck for your pulls
The Wish type is irrelevant, we get at most 80-90 Standard Wishes per year for free, and that's if you play actively. So you would have to spend primos on wishes either way.
There is no point in making the banner last a year or 6 months if you want a Character/Weapon guaranteed just save 180 primos.
If the Banner lasts 1 patch, the same things will inevitably rerun very fast since there is 6 of them, and with them rerunning so often, you won't need to wait for 2+ years for your character to rerun.
The only bad thing about this Banner, is that the Fate Points don't carry over.
Ngl I'm so glad they don't use acquaint since I always convert my gems to intertwined to get a good idea of how many pulls I have specifically 😂
Yeah. I don't get why people get upset by it using Intertwined fates. The source is the same, primogems/genesis crystals.
I'm sure I'm in the minority in this, but personally I was hoping it would use standard fates because I just want something to spend them on. I'm at the point where the standard banner is simply worthless to me and there really isn't anything it could give me that would actually make me happy, except maybe wolf's gravestone but even then, my desire for it has pretty much died after so long. I have been saving my fates for forever telling myself that surely one day they would add new characters to it or something. I reached around 190 by the time Tighnari was added and was lucky enough to get him after hitting pity twice. Now I'm back at 93 pulls with no hope of getting to use them. I do understand why it makes sense that this new banner uses intertwined fates, but I can't help being really disappointed by it
I just see this as a way for them to make certain characters available more often without having them clog up the Limited Banner rotation. If you want one of these characters and weapons, you'll probably go for them. If not, you'll ignore the banner. Just like how you would on the regular limited banner. And I don't know why you would be mad it uses intertwined fates. I wish every banner used the same fate. That way I'd only have to save up or buy one type of currency, and could use it on the banner of my choosing. Making this take a new type of fate would either make them have to introduce yet another type of fate in the reward pool, or just make you have to spend primos or money on multiple currency types. Why is that good?
I agree that not knowing how long these banners will last, or when another one might come along is stupid. Hopefully this gets communicated to us sooner rather than later.
I’m pretty sure these are gonna appear at least in the second half of most updates going forward, prolly not in region-finishers like the x.7/x.8, but I could be wrong
Yeah most of the people who are mad are people who don’t have patience or save apparently. They just want to build pity
Honestly I like the new banner. It’s basically a 3rd limited time banner, but with the option to choose the limited character you will get after losing a 50/50. and this seems way better then simply adding a 3rd limited banner or having to wait years for rerun of an older character (because we got (too) many characters at the moment)
If you're unlucky need 180 pulls to gaurenteed.
It doesnt share pity with other characters banners and demands You to be ready to go all in if You want to get the character You are aiming for (since the guarantee won't Carry over). It also doesnt state yet, I believe, how long is the banner going to last (so we don't Know how slow their rotations Will be). It's not terrible, but I don't see many pros over a third banner.
@@marupurusaivamsi4802 yea, same as a normal banner. Like I said it basically acts as a 3rd banner, but instead of having only one limited 5* it has multiple that you can choose from.
@@angelswarz8995 I don’t know about you, but I either want a character or not, so I either pull (until I get the character I want), or don’t pull on a banner. It’s not like I randomly pull on a banner I don’t want characters from. (So i don’t understand the issue with the „go all in“).
@@spiele_maus and my doubt is who gonna summon on them when there's new limited character comes. Maybe less than1 % players.
Here's my thing:
I like this system as a concept. The execution isn't looking too strong, though.
My personal thing is like Bran, I've been without a Wolf's Gravestone ever since the game started since I also main Diluc and guaranteeing that is fantastic.
Downside, I'm having to sacrifice my desire for a new character.
Another thing I'm not happy with is the vagueness of their announcements since we want to know where our money/hard work is going towards.
I'm hopeful that all will be revealed next patch.
Pretty much this
“Sacrificing my desire for a new character” is just the reality on wishing for reruns. The banners don’t really matter, we all get the same amount of free resources. You just have to pick and choose how you spend your primogems and make sacrifices.
@Spookie24 it's just conflicting since we never know how soon the rerun will be. That's just how gatcha works, I'm afraid. I'm a fan of choosing characters I deem fun and interesting to play. I don't care about meta too much, but I take inspiration and use it to influence my decisions to try new things and play certain characters. For example, I never knew how good Yelan was since my Xingqui is C6 and didn't think she'd be necessary on my account. Then I did a 10 pull on her latest banner and got her. Now, after a while of using her, I realised I missed out on so much with her. The same goes for Yoimiya (althoughlets be fair. She sadly gets shoved into cracked banners). But now she's one of my best Dps' in the game besides Diluc
@@crimsonphoenix2094 I think that’s the whole point of this banner. They can do reruns on older characters much more frequently. This banner alone is equivalent to 3 rerun banners. That’s 3 free slots for future rerun banner free to be used on more popular characters. This way people don’t have to wait too long.
@@Spookie24it could actually be more than three for inazuma or liyue, beacouse liyue has only one character from the standard and inazuma has none so next one could be 5 limited characters or just limited characters from inazuma, you never know.
I kinda disagree, both about creating a new currency and leaving this banner for the whole region. I think the worst part about it is the fact that your pity doesn't carry on. That being said, if this banner changes once per patch - it's still an amazing addition to the game. And let me explain why.
Earlier we had a problem with characters taking way too long to get a rerun. And it just so happens that most of those characters were actually old characters: Klee, Albedo, Eula, Itto, Nilou, Shenhe - you name them. And so as soon as they actually get a rerun, you are immediately presented with a fact that if you don't pull now - you might not see them for another year.
Now, however, you have a reasonable option to just wait given this banner cycles through every patch. So not only do we have more frequent reruns, but they are also easier to predict, which allows people to save their currency with more ease. This also partly negates the problem of your pity not carrying on to the next banner. And at the end of the day, half of the characters appearing on this banner are event characters, and you have more control at whom you're willing to lose your 50/50 to. And let's also not forget the fact that you can literally lose your 50/50 to an event character too. Hence why I think that using intertwined fates is perfectly justifiable here.
But honestly, best part about this banner for me personally is that I'm finally able to guarantee myself a character from a standard banner that I like without praying on losing 50/50 to them and ending up with 6 Keqing cons. That and I also think that getting something like Hunter's Path without possibility of losing twice on a weapon banner is a massive W. Same goes for weapons like Jade Cutter, and I think it will inevitably make an appearance sooner or later.
*Essayge*
Well, a classic of mine, I didn't finish the video before writing this, so some of these takes were already discussed, yet I feel like leaving this comment be anyway.
Also, I should've made the *if* part at the very beginning bold, because if this banner actually stays for more than 3 patches, on the contrary to what you've said - I don't know how I will feel about it suddenly. At the end of the day, it plays no difference whether you're able to pull for a character on a stacked patch if the reruns are frequent imo. And if they're not - we're still left with the same old problem of characters taking way too long to get a rerun.
Not to mention, once it changes from Mondstadt, the Liyue banner will likely be STACKED for a new player especially.
We could see
Childe
Zhongli
Hu Tao
Ganyu
Plus Keqing and Qiqi
On one banner at once, thats absolutely WILD
I could be wrong but I believe your pity does carry, just not your fate point. So if you have a fate point, pull lets say 50 times but don’t get the 5* you want, you SHOULD still have 50 pity on the next version of the banner, just no guaranteed fate point anymore. That’s the same way it works for the weapon banner, as far as I can tell.
Sure, it uses Intertwined Fates... But it also contains limited characters/weapons, so it makes sense (and you could "lose your 50/50" to a limited character/weapon).
A third currency woulld be weird. It would require a different method to be acquired other than spending primogems, otherwise they would funcionally be like Intertwined Fates... But if they were given through events/actions in game there would be a very limited amount.
The Fate Point resetting is dumb, though
Tbh, a lot of the gacha games I've played that introduced a separate currency for things like special types of rerun banners, they were either paid currency only, or super super super difficult to obtain. For me, it's been RARE to find a situation like that where it didn't suck.
You must be sure to have at least 160 intertwined fate or more (that is to say if you lose the 50/50) if you want to pull for the weapon or character you want. (because fate points won't pass to the next chronicle banner ) It is not recommended to wish on this banner if you have less than 160 wishes
Edit: and btw this tip is from another commenter from another video but I forgot who it was.
@Marshmellow_Cat that's not how fate points work. You get ONE fate point IF you lose the 50/50, that's it
@@BranOnline Will there be something similar to this banner next patch?
@@Marshmellow_Cat dude his a content creator not a game developer
@@g0ld_returns I'm just asking if he knows something, I won't watch a 30 minute video if I can just ask someone that already watched it
It's not a 30 minutes video @@Marshmellow_Cat
So basically this "Chronicled Wish" is an alternative for the dev to reduced the amount of characters needed for a rerun. Still, it kinda make sense because looking to the future, as genshin progresses, more and more characters will be introduced, and the period for old characters needed for a rerun will be much longer. Nevertheless, just choose whatever characters you love. Btw, love your vid Bran❤
I honestly love how Bran is not immediately hating on it and is trying to look at it more objectively - I personally agree with most of the things he said here.
If you don’t want to pull on this banner, you don’t have to, it’s your choice if you want these characters or you’d rather prefer someone else, it’s completely up to you.
But as someone, who is very happy about this (because finally has a chance to pull for Albedo and Klee), I see it as an amazing opportunity for Hoyo to rerun more characters more often. Even if it’s in those not ideal conditions, because they’re probably going to put older and less popular characters there anyways. And it seems that it will be more of a banner for people that just really wants these characters/weapons, so that they would satisfy them aswell.
Yes, Hoyo should add more content for everyone equally, but that doesn’t necessary mean this is automatically terrible. Hopefully they’ll soon add something for veterans too tho, at least the resin increase :,))
There seems to be an overly negative response to this banner and idk why. Overall this seems like a great opportunity to get characters that Hoyoverse have been reluctant to give their own dedicated reruns for. Even if it is around for only a patch, people that would've saved up properly should still be able to get a decent shot at getting what they want from the banner. The only negative for me is NOT being able to keep your fate point after the banner goes away OR if you change your selection.
It would've also been nice to be able to get the characters' signature weapons as well (such as Albedo's sword) because without pairing the 5 stars with their weapons, players might ACTUALLY need to wait until those characters are rerun until they see those weapons. It would also be nice to see a more curated list of potential 4 stars, since given the lack of communication on the 4 stars, the pool may likely be the same as standard banner.
It's because of how much you'll need to spend in order to get the character and the fact that the points don't cross over this is a scam for f2p players
@@ampaospace532 Uhm, you'll need to spend exactly as much here, as on event banner though. Hard pity and soft pity are exactly the same, drop rates are the same. As a f2p player the best thing you can do is to always save with the worst outcome in mind. Don't touch any banner until you have enough to guaratee what you want, and you won't be "scammed".
The whole intertwined fate or acquainted fate argument is stupid in my opinion. It takes ages to save acquainted fates so whether if it's intertwined fates or acquainted fate you would still NEED to use primogems to convert to that corresponding fate anyways.
Yeah I mean, we get like 10 every patch. I get that it'd be better if they use both intertwined and acquaint but I don't think it's as big of a deal as people are making it out to be
I still to this day don't understand why they wouldn't make the limited character and weapon banners work the same way...
Why does losing the 50/50 carry onto the next banner but not for weapons that require losing 2 50/50s to get what you want? Just make them all the same (in the best way possible) and that would already be a giant step imo.
This banner is fine but i think if i, as a week one f2p player, will ever wish on it, it would be just for the weapons
Some whales spend 1000 dollars to get r5 of each weapons and of some multiple times. I have the assumption that hoyoverse makes the biggest cash out of the weapon banners.
Beacouse they make more money that way, if people keep spending hoyoverse is not gonna change anything.
Because weapons are insanely useless upgrades in this game. If you're an f2p, you can just pull for desired characters, as its not like weapons change gameplay significantly, only maybe rotations to stack buffs. Weapon banner is mainly just the cash grab place. With that said, if you can save a ton of wishes, pull weapon banner, no one is stopping anyone.
Because weapons are whale bait, most regular spenders just pull for one copy of each character
@@bixie0987 oh I already did, I just only wish there when there are 2 good weapons for characters that I have that way I'm fine if I don't get the one I want
as a f2p I don't like the reset of fate points cause it takes a hell lot of a time to farm primogems and if I just lose 50/50 and the bannner resets tthan I'm pretty sure I have less chances to get it. cause it will happen or it can happen every time. What can I say. Cause hoyo has done me dirty for a while . I have lost 3 50/50 for nahida every single fucking time. I even lost on my another account
its a yes and no. in this way, obtaining weapons are easier. However, you must only pull on this banner if you are okay with the fact that you can lose the 50/50 and lose the guarantee as well. So unless you have 180 wishes saved up, better save up instead
at this point i don't even know what genshin players wouldn't see as "useless" or "scam" lmao
make the fate point carry over to the next one and then its not a scam, your welcome.
Rel
@@MatinRostami-fr5py o please just learn how to save 180 wishes. Not a big deal
@@pontoancora So you would be happy if Mihoyo got rid of transferable guarantee on limited character banners and used non-transferable fate point instead?
@phoenixlau of course not. It's a clear loss, with nothing to balance it. But this banner it's a clear win.
It would be better with this and that???
OF COURSE.
It's a great addition to the game?
100%.
This banner is made to people who really want an older char. It solves the rerun problem for at least 2 years if they rotate 3 to 4 limited chars each update.
This banner is 100% a great addition.
0:11 true, but it will let me do the story quests and hang out that I haven't finished so I'm actually okay with that
I can stomach the premium fates. It would be nice if there was a discount on either how much a 10 pull costs or how much hard pity is. I don't care if someone else snags Eula, Klee, Keqing, Tighnari, etc for less primos now that these characters have been out for a while.
That's something I thought as well. I get it that people would revolt if they offered limited characters for standard fates, but they could've easily bumped down the pity thresholds to 60/75 or something similar. Especially with that annoying fate system in place.
After all, these characters have been out for literal years, it's like getting a formerly 60$ game for 20$, with the downside of having to wait longer to play it.
With the current setup, I just don't see these banners going well. With a lower pity cap, they might've been a great resource for newer players, or an incentive for older players to finally get that character that keeps popping up at bad times (that's me with Xiao, he always shows up in the middle of characters I want/need more)
With how bloated the character rooster is becoming, honestly I welcome this banner mainly to allow me to pull on old 5 stars I didn't get the chance to get before. As for my opinion on the fate system, I will just do what I usually already do for the limited banners and only pull when I saved around 165 wishes which while risky, is probably enough to hit soft pity twice. And for banners that dont have the characters I want like this one I would just skip like what I usually do for any limited banner anyways because building pity is lowkey insane
Nah, people just dont understand
I know...like the banner isn't a scam. It's just thst you need to save to ensure you get what you want.
@@rushalias8511 true
and most ppl cant do that because they dont have selfcontroll but need to blame it somewhere. as f2p/lowspender (in my case welking only) i allways save up primos to aleast 180 wishes to guarnty myself a char (atm i got over 400 wishes)
but how often u see in forums like hoyo site screenshots titlled "day x of saving for x char" and the have a max of 500 primos
@@rushalias8511 its only a scam if you cant save, so all those ppl calling it a scam... are gacha addicts 👀
I mean, just like Bran said. It's not really a scam, it's just Hoyoverse's socials admins are lacking in the communication department A LOT.
The resources of this patch aren’t looking too good for f2p’s, and I wish the fate point carried over, but otherwise I understand. I don’t think hoyo is expecting people to just start spamming wishes on the chronicle banner, they likely don’t expect sales to be good on it anyway, but let’s be real, every character/weapon on this banner at least in 4.5 are either characters who haven’t sold well for a few years for various reasons, standard banner characters, standard weapons, weapons of characters who haven’t been selling well, or BiS weapons for, wait for it, other standard banner characters; weapons that won’t ever get a rerun otherwise since they’re not gonna do a limited banner of a standard character just for a weapon they don’t have faith in selling well anyway. Chronicle is clearly designed to just be an extra thing for people who want to collect every five-star character/weapon without having to wait a friggin decade for one specific rerun.
@@rushalias8511 It's a scam for people who can't save, if you can then it's situationally better than the limited banner
The banner HAD TO BE Intertwined Fate imo.
If it was anything other than Intertwined then anyone who has been saving for these characters for ages would be screwed in getting the characters, no one changes the primos into Standard Fates and a lot of people change their primos into intertwined fates as soon as they even have 160 primos.
For that person who says this new banner is "useless", Hunter's Path & Beacon of the Reed Sea Wanters will knock at your door because they're waiting for so long for these weapons to come back knowing the Weapon Banner mostly now features the featured Limited Characters' weapons.
Anyone saying this is a scam has terrible comprehensive skills
- Intertwined Fates over Acquaint makes sense, since they *don't give out free Acquaints* (outside of the 3 per character you get from ascension), unlike e.g. HI3/HSR which have monthly/weekly acquisition paths for their respective standard pull tickets
- in theory, this banner type *could* be more future-proof compared to just adding a third limited banner, since this can effectively be a 6-in-1 rerun banner and be a more accessible weapon banner (higher floor with the 90 vs 80 pity, but lower ceiling with 180 vs 240 worst-case; also a third limited banner = 2nd weapon banner is needed, or current weapon banner becomes a 1-in-3 instead of 1-in-2)
- ultimately, the runtime is the deciding factor here: is it available every patch? every other patch? does it run for the standard 3-ish weeks, or the full patch duration? or is this going to be a "we're running this once or twice a year, better don't miss it!"-type deal that's more aimed at spenders/whales (more akin to HI3's EXPA/FOCA Select banners)?
considering we still have access to our 'beginners wish' history even though the banner isn't available to us anymore. theres no way the history for the chronicled would disappear.
if i had to guess 'recent' could mean 6+months of a banner rerun. it would make the most sense because of how many characters are in the game and how many more will be released. i feel like its FAR better than having even more simultaneous banners running, even if we dont get the history carried from normal banners
Off course its not a standard wishes. Cause its pretty much illigel for them to move limited charcter to standard . I believe the banner will last a whole patch , its enough to reach the path you choose. The obly alterntive will be to make 3 regular banners a half OR 2 banners 3 times a patch that are 14 days not 20 , just so we can cycle the whole cast of charcters in a year and not wait since 2022 to Albedo . This banner is the best option !!
Here is what could make it perfect , keep it the regular wishes , but making a discount of 8 wishes instsad od 10 like they did with Noel banner , could be cute
To me, this is a good side grade banner for those who're not interested in new character of the patch and want someone they missed in the past, it's just a lot of people judge it based on the current stuff on it too.
If this does become regional banner, for Liyue, we have a pool of: Keqing, Qiqi (from standard), Ganyu, Yelan, Childe, Zhongli, Hutao; It does almost becomes the last lantern rite banner (which was the most selling one) with Hu Tao and Yelan, and the lost 50/50 would be much better (since only 2 from 7 standard characters are present).
The true value of the banner will become known when the duration will be known and if it always has 6 characters on it i guess. But it's a better weapon banner at least.
Also, for those interested, somebody did made a list of already available characters for this banner: Albedo, Ganyu, Eula, Klee, Kokomi, Yelan, Childe, Zhongli, Hu Tao, Venti, Cyno, Ayato, Ayaka, Raiden, Yoimiya (And we can at least guarantee that Nahida also will be available somewhere during Natlan bc of Archon Reruns)
The way I see it the benefit even with the fate point system and even if it is only in a patch is on the character side pending on the character pool. People say the weapon side is an upgrade over the weapon banner but that is only for the weapon that you want and the fact Beacon and Hunters path is on it. For the weapon you want I agree. Guarenteed way sooner than weapon banner. Having said that the 50/50 losses in most cases are way more likely to be worse with this banner. Unless the other weapon is one of the donuts or a similar tier weapon. You still have a guarentee that carries over with the weapon banner. The guarentee is if you lose your 50/50 to a standard weapon your next weapon is guarenteed to be one of the two weapon banner weapons. So the weapon banner becomes much much better when you have two solid options. Let alone always having a bare minimum 75% chance of getting one of the two weapons. The character side with a good character pool is very good. Like if they are doing the formula of 3 standards 3 limited. You have essentially a 70% chance on any given 5 star of it being limited. Like if they have a pool of Xiao, Shenhe, and Ganyu. In my case go for Shenhe. The other 3 will just say are Tighnari, Keqing, and zombie girl. If I lose and get Ganyu or Xiao I would not complain that is a Ganyu con or Xiao who I also don't have and wouldn't mind having he just usually was run with someone I would rather have.
This is honestly so awesome to me because I need Eula on my claymores only account and others for my birds only account.
(birds only is about constellations that are birds)
It's good to some extend cause for me i've wanted Mona and Tighnari for the longest time so now i know that i can get them and i've seen alot of people who do want standard banner characters or weapons, so it's good that they can finally get them, and the way i see it is that it's basically just like any limited character banner, either win or lose the 50/50, have guaranteed either for the same character or for another in the next patch, BUT the fate point system for it is ridiculous, cause not having it carry over could start a cycle of losing the 50/50's (even tho pity does carry over), then not having enough to get the guaranteed and losing the fate point, similar to the weapon banner. I would say that they either completely remove fate points from it or they change it to the fate points carrying over. But we also don't know how long the banners are gonna last, so maybe people could end up getting just enough to get the guaranteed and until we know a bit more about it, i'm gonna hold on to it being a 50/50
The Chronicled Wish not using a regular 50-50 system is inherent in the limitation of the Chronicled Path system. One can set Diluc as the Chronicled Path character, if the player "loses" the 50-50 and gets Diluc on the Standard roll, then the player does not get a Fate point despite "losing" the 50-50. By switching the Chronicled Path character, one would have to keep track which Standard character pulls are due to Chronicled Paths and which ones are due to lost 50-50s
For exclusive weapons like Dehya Tighnari's greatsword and sword, this banner is better than the one for promotional weapons (it is cheaper).
Other than that, it is bad, poorly managed and communicated. It doesn't matter if this banner lasts 3 months or more, new characters will continue to arrive and those from the current region that recently appeared on a banner will return in the near future (Furina, Navia, ....) They did not officially announce an increase in protos or in leaks, they are the same protos and the reset thing exists so that money can be put into the game.
Only if you want 5 of the 6 5-star characters on that banner, including the permanent ones, or most of them are promotional, for example, a banner of Hu Tao, Ganyu, Shenhe, Yelan, Zhongli, and Keqing, and you want constellations or you don't have some, would it be worth it? It's a pity as long as you have 160 wishes to ensure you get something or if you know that you won't want the next promotional banners, and even then it is not the best option.
In conclusion, 80% of it is garbage, it is not worth it.
The only good thing about this is that it could speed up the return of promotional characters such as those from the recent region and the archons
Bran highlighted basically every thought I had about this. I actually think they could do something similar to what tears of Themis does where special event banners have a unique wish currency that can only be used there, but the regular premium wish currency (intertwined fate equivalent) can also be used on that banner. Since the wording is so vague though, we don't know if the banners will be back to back with no gaps between. In Themis, if you have excess of the special gates, they get converted to the regular fate. If genshin had adopted this (minus the conversion and let us keep the unique third one) I feel like it could have been better. Between exploration types and quests getting more complex/long and drastically improved/flat out new characters, intertwined fates being the currency of choice feels like a slap to f2p specifically. However they could always add this separate currency later on.
That said, I actually think the banner is good and will use it for some weapons I think. I whale so I can't really safely use it for characters myself but maybe on a particularly good rotation
I just hope this banner is the start of potentially major improvements to multiple banner systems. They should definitely make fate points carry over on Chronicled Wish banner, that would make it less of a scam. They should also add a fate point system to standard too. The fact that they haven't added it to standard is crazy to me. Its practically impossible to get what you want via standard banner due to the sheer number of weapons and characters that are featured on it. There is no incentive whatsoever to pull on standard banner unless its via the fates that the game provides you by default. There is no reason to purchase standard wishes over event wishes.
Just because we know what we’re getting into doesn’t mean it’s not a scam. We’re getting nothing for lots of money spent. Hoyo doesn’t give a fuck about anyone tbh
I feel like this banner could've been a slam dunk with 3 changes.
1: this new banner totally replaces standard banner and uses standard wishes.
2: Your charted 5* carries over to losing your 50/50 on limited banner.
3: Add event weapons to the banners. Could you imagine giving a new player the ability to get Albedo's sword this way?
4: Change how the game gives you standard wishes to promote people to interact more. Like 1 Standard wish for completing dailies would go a long way without interrupting the game's economy too much.
I do like this new banner overall for people like me who are missing just a couple 5* items they want. I also think cycling it every 2 months is a good middle ground. Enough variety throughout the year to bot get boring but long enough that a daily player could reasonably get a 5*.
1. sadly can't use standard pulls for limited characters, legally
2. ehhhh I just wish it carried over on THIS banner, not to limited
3. I think event weapons should be in the shop for starglitter, no idea why tf they're not
4. love this idea even without using standard for this banner
I wouldn’t ever recommend mihoyo gets rid of the standard banner entirely tbh while it’s not the most reliable way to get standards 5 star characters and weapons it’s still the only banner that will give you the chance of getting any standard 5 star (character or weapon) the chronicled banner is still limited. Every gacha has a permanent banner too
i started a new genshin playthrough on different server and ngl them custom builds make low ar building so much faster and less annoying. when you just have whatever and dont want to go through them all its so nice to just bambam and go back to exploring
I think for the most part, its referring to well how recent they gotten a banner since we gotten Klee and Eula from 3.8 and this is going to be available for 4.5, Maybe it only designates the characters that haven't gotten either a rerun on 4.0 patchs like Cyno, Yoimiya, Xiao, Nahida, Yae Miko, etc.
But in terms of the longevity of the banners I don't think 6 months should be a reasonable one maybe like at least 3 patches that'll be probably the best time it can take but if it was just lasting a single patch yeah this is just a scam and if it is cause (Well knowing hoyo they will f it up somehow) it probably best to not inhale copium
I'd have a guess that "recent Event Wishes" refers to how long before they typically rerun a character after they're on a banner. Say 3 (rare) to 4 patches for example.
But yes how long each Chronicled Wish banner lasts would be important info for us to know. Otherwise I don't see this new banner as a terrible thing, except Fate points resetting when you change your choice (I'm fine with the points expiring as long as the period lasts long enough).
So as someone who is actually wanting to c6 my diluc I like the fact that I don't have to rely on rng for a 50/50 loss to do so. And if they put other characters that I don't have but want on there then it's better then the other banners at that point
*EDIT: WTF THE BANNER ONLY LASTS FOR 20 DAYS!!*
*Viewing in a best case scenario Assuming in a situation where chronicle wish will last for a patch*
Conditions:
f2p and no welkin.
Not including intertwined fate from ascension characters.
Events will be at a base of 420 gems.
Abyss will be at 36 stars.
1 monthly reset.
1 Major event will be at 1k gems.
No new area.
A banner has 21 days, a patch being 41, doing dailes.
*That totals to 2,450 gems*
3 abyss reset(best case scenario)
*that totals to 1,800 gems*
*600 gems on maintenance*
*300 from livestream*
6 minor events(best case scenario)
*That totals to 2,520 gems*
That totals up to:
*8,670 gems, 5 intertwined fate, 10 acquaint fate(other 5 from battle pass)*
Or 55 limited wishes and 10 standard wishes
And hoyo expects us to waste that on chronicle?!
Now imagine if they make us use acquaint fates on it instead. It’s not sustainable either way.
That’s just because this is a dry patch though. Once we get a patch with more content like a new area or an interlude, then this banner will be better. Plus, these issue are the same for every banner is it not? You still get the same amount of wishes whether you pull on the limited banner or the new one.
How is it a waste if the people who want the characters/weapon on the banner save for it to pull? It's a waste if don't have a gurantee and pull. Just be smart about it.
Just save for a guarantee lmao. The only drawback this banner *actually has* is no rate-up 4 stars, but even that can be a good thing sometimes since some banners just have really bad 4 stars as their rate-up
They don't expect you to do sh*t. No one is holding the gun to your head and making you do anything in this game. Personally, if I still didn't have Albedo, and already saved enough to guarantee him on a rerun, I would say "thank you hoyo" pull him on this banner and wouldn't think it was a waste even for a second.
Why the fuck do people care if it's Acquaint Fates.
I keep a record of my wishes and I use every standard wish as soon as I get it, I got a 5 star on May 21, Nov 21, June 22, Dec 22 and June 23. That's roughly a 6-month gap between characters at roughly 75 pity.
There are barely any Acquaint Fates, you're not going to wait 6 months for a character you're just going to buy the wishes for primos, and then they cost the exact same as intertwined fates so why does it matter.
The first day I saw the mention of the Chronological event banner is a way to get Diluc cons, I was so hyped. But I calmed down and said "160-180 pulls is way too expensive for a Diluc con". I decided I shall try for his cons on another Chronological event, as I have a lineup of characters I want to get first. 4.5 is thankfully a grace saving patch for the sake of farming and grinding for primos. Goodluck to all Kazuha/ Neuvillette/ Chiori/ Itto wanters out there.
Funnily enough just yesterday I lost a Xiao C1 50/50 at like 29 or so pity to Diluc C2. First he made me lose my Nahida 50/50 earlier this patch, and now I got Xiao and then lost another 50/50 early. So… yay guaranteed Chiori! Hope she doesn’t use friggin Kairagi materials, I hate Specters as much as the next guy but I’ve never ran into a Specter that refused to drop anything at max world level.
I don't say this with a mean heart, but next time if you see someone struggling to get a specific character/cons, they don't want to hear about someone's luck in getting them. Goodluck in your genshin journey and have fun.@@DG_Toti
That's true I desperately want Diluc since I don't have him and was so disappointed hearing how much you have to have this is definitely a scam for me
I think it's best you try saving up 160-180 wishes. This is a sure fire way to get him atleast.@@ampaospace532
As a Nikke player, the Wishlist on standard banner has just become something I wish more (like Genshin) would adopt. 2 or three banners after their release, non Limited characters (which is like, almost every character) get added to the Wishlist on Standard banner. It’s still gacha to get that character, you don’t have it completely guaranteed (you have 15 Nikke on your Wishlist and your SSR’s are guaranteed to be someone in your Wishlist, but who is completely random), but there’s still a chance. That and the mileage ticket system (Gold tickets give you the premium banner character, silver gives you dupes for Standard characters).
For example, there’s currently (for the next few hours) a Nikke called Elegg, who’s an amazing support for Nikke who deal in Distributed damage. I’ve been trying to get her for the past couple weeks but haven’t succeeded. Since I don’t have to wait for a rerun, I can just save up on Standard until she’s in the Wishlist and start pulling there until I get her, no time limit. It’s just much more convenient than waiting for reruns and actually encourages us to use the Standard banner
That's what I was talking about. If this banner is like a all patch or even more patches of time, I think is great! I want Jean without needing to wait to me loosing a 50/50 were I can get any other character. I just really want Jean, so I'm happy that we get a banner with her and I believe that if they last maybe 2 patchs it would be great, then one for Liyue and then Inazuma and so on.
I think it would be even more fun if the 4 stars are just Mondstadt too, that would be fun, more chance to get Kaeya, Lisa and Amber or any other 4 star from Mondstadt, Bennet, Barbara, Fishl, Mika, Noelle, Razor, Sucrose, Diona and Rosaria. I think it could be fun, but that just me maybe. For weapons just 4 star from Mondstadt too and maybe that's not fair, but I think it would make sense because if we are enter this banner just to get the 5 star items, it would be fun if everything is from Mondstadt, even the 4 star.
I think it's a pretty good addition especially for new players or players who haven't played since version 1.0 and really want a specific character. The banner itself doesn't look so bad 50/50 is fine interwinted fates too. Zeroing on the next banner seems to be the biggest drawback. Still not sure how long these banners will last I think as Bran says if the banner lasts the whole region or for example five versions (ex. 5.0-5.4) it will still be okay.
At the end of the day, if you don't want to, just don't use it and wait for a character or weapon on its normal limited baner (maybe someday they'll be on it if they earn well for themselves xD).
This is a very long Opinion that I have on this Topic lol: I honestly think they shoud exclude the standard Banner Characters. It is the reason I will hate thiis Banner.
1) You should be able to chart on the standard banner for the 5 Star (Weapon and Character with their signiture weapon on the banner)! Then reduce the 6 Characters on the new Banner to 3 or 4 Maximum.
2) This way people would be more enticed to pull on it especially with the intertwined fates, cause if i would want to loose my 50/50 to a standard character then I will just wait till the 5 Star i want gets a normal rerun. Does not mean that the standard characters are bad, but leave it up to the 50/50 losses and you will eventually get them anyway...
3) They could have also just given us a similar Banner where you select (or chart) the 5 Star you want and it becomes that Characters Banner so you either win the 50/50 or loose to the standard banner ones so we would get 3 Character, 1 weapon and 1 standard banners but IDK this using Intertwined Fates like this just makes me not want to pull.
4) Also some people do not like a Character (for example I do not like Eulas Playstyle) so charting for lets say klee and getting her instead of a standard one wopuld make me furious inside as well...
So yes give us the option for more 5 Star Characters but not that system. We honestly have too many Characters for a 1 year rotation on a banner, so this in a way is a solution however not the one we 100% need.
For example take some 5 star characters (1 of each element) and put them plus their signiture on the Standard Banner and the current standards rotate through the paimon shop. Best solution for those who still miss a standard character as well.
They could also create a Archon full time Banner, so those who want a specific Archon do not have to wait for a whole new version of the game so it would be great for new and old players who also might have missed their chance with the pulls they had. That would leave even more spots open for other characters getting a banner -> newest archons would join the Archon banner the last patch of their nation.
With a Archon Banner and more people to get them they could also release a cashgrab ton of skins for them 🤷♀ I do not know why or who makes some of the choices at Hoyoverse but I still love the game - just upset about the banner situation XD
I wonder if they're going to keep "on regional theme" until Inazuma (predictably patch 4.7) since all of 5★ Inazuman characters are limited.
According to chronicle wish rules and given that "Inazuma theme" might come in 4.7, all Inazuman characters condition right now are :
- Yoimiya : x5 banners. latest rerun was 4.3 so if Inazuma theme CW comes in 4.7 = 4 patches apart. if 4 was not they so-called "recent" then we might see her in there.
- Kokomi : x4 banners. latest rerun was 3.8 it will be 8 patches apart for 4.7 she definitely be in Inazuma theme CW
- Ayaka : x4 banners. also latest rerun was 4.3 her condition is same as Yoimiya
these 3 characters has highest chance to be in Inazuma theme chronicle wish. IF they're not rerun during 4.6 and 4.7
the rest are :
- Ayato : x3 banners. latest rerun was in 4.2 = 5 patches apart to 4.7 so might be possible for him to be in Inazuma theme CW ?
- Raiden : x4 banners. also rerun together with Yoimiya in 4.3 giving she's an archon it might not possible but who knows ?
- Yae Miko : x3 banners +1 as she's on 4.4 limited banner right now. will be 3 patches apart from 4.7 so its perhaps still "recent"
- Kazuha : x3 banners +1 in next patch (4.5). he will be in "recent" category for sure so not possible
- Itto : same with Kazuha
Wanderer ? even if they put him in Inazuma category its still not possible since he had x2 banners which not met the condition of "appearing on banner at least 3 times". that also goes with Chiori since she's brand new character.
I kinda get why they didn't put up a certain patch timing for the chronicled wish. Because they feature the characters who haven't had a rerun for the longest time at the moment.
Say for eg, if Nilou, Ganyu, Zhongli and Yae haven't were the characters who haven't had a rerun for the longest time, then the developers have to decide which character would go onto the limited wish rerun or go onto the chronicled wish, or they might change their mind and switch their places from the pre plan, as in, Ganyu doesn't get a rerun but pops on chronicled wish.
So in that sense, it kinda, makes a lil sense-? Or maybe they could find a solution to this later
What if, hear me out, this filler patch is so dry is because we will get much more content in 4.6? What if this patch was just giving the dev team a break, before we get like, something big? And i think that something big is something like Neuvillete Story quest 2, Furina Story quest 2, Arlecchino Story quest, New Area and an event connected to it, and whatever more there could be.
But this is just what i predict COULD happen. I HOPE it does.
It is just a great way for the people who really want these characters or weapons to garantee get them it really is not that deep, just if you want a eula even though she sucks well there you go now you can
My take on this new banner is that they should leave the banner for a patch or two. More would be difficult I think. Personally, i believe that this is a good banner, even f some people are angry or unhappy because Klee's on it or whatever. BUT, what I do think is bad is the currency. Having a new banner with the intertwined fates without giving more primos is kind of a scam (i'm a low spender, I only buy the welkin so I don't have that many primos and it will be difficult for me to choose in the future where to pull. basically, in the upcoming update, I'd like to have Neuvillette so i'm saving but I would also like Eula's constellations and some weapons on that new banner). Overall, in my opinion, having that new banner is great but there's not enough primos for it. I've seen a comment in the video saying that they only care about the paying players but f2p players exist and don't have enough primos.
(i'm sorry if there are mistakes, english is not my first language but I truly wanted to share my opinion and that)
You do not neeed 160 pulls to start pulling on this banner.
If you have more than 90 pulls, you can start building pity. Just have 90 pulls remaining so that if you end up getting a 5 star, you can guarrenty the specific 5 star you wanted.
This would be perfect if you can use both of the currency, but that would be unrealistic ig? But again you don't get much from acquainted fates......you get like 10 per patch
I do like the possibility of losing to a character I don't have that's not from the standard banner tho. That's neat
as someone whopulls for characters because i like them over them being meta i like this banner, lets be real, there's a reason why some characters aren't reruned as often, they aren't profitable. That way you have basically a customizable banner where those characters show up and you can get them if you want if you already have the current characters on banner or aren't interested by them. I prefer that over not for exemple Itto right now who i had been saving for since his last rerun and couldnt get then but was not getting one again until now. Also im happy we finally have a way to get Hunter's Path and Beacon since i was mad they didnt get added to the standard pool along Tighnari and Dehya after their banners. Genuinely considering getting Beacon simple because it seems less risky/cheaper than going for a signature claymore that i might have to lose twice to.
I like this new banner, except the fate points reset. That part sucks. But I wish I had this in the beginning when I didn't have Mona. It took me forever to get her. Now, I'm looking at the weapons because I don't have most of them. The point of this banner is to get rare characters/weapons.
I don't care if it uses standard pulls because we hardly get those. I'm going to be using primogems primarily. As for when the date when it appears, I feel like they haven't made a final decision, so they're being vague. That sounds like the kind of language companies use when they still think there might be changes.
Also, I like quite a few the quality of life changes we got recently. I feel like people just want to be angry. There's definitely stuff to criticize or want changed, but it's not as bad as I see a lot of players making it out to be. Like, why did some players think there wouldn't be a 50/50?
Been playing since just a couple days after launch, finally have hope for R1 Jade Cutter, 'nuff said. XD
I'm cool with the coming selection as an introduction to the system, but I hope future Chronicled banners will fudge the ratio of weapons slightly more to the limited ones; so many limited weapons in the game that aren't "signatures," thus never seen every time we had two limited characters up-rated!
There's definitely room for improvement with the new wish, though I've got hopium there could be improvements implemented because I haven't seen a wish like this in HSR (Haven't played HI3 or WW).
At the end of the day, it can really only make it better because the banner is entirely optional. I think Bran's right on the money with what he says about which Fates it should use. Event Fates are the best option
Honestly, I quite simply see this as an additional limited banner, but with different "standard banner" 5 stars that you may get if you lose your 50/50. In fact it's slightly better because there is a chance to get a different limited character if you do lose your 50/50. The only negative is that the guarantee doesn't carry over into the next one. Personally this works for me though as I generally save up until I can guarantee the limited character that I want - especially for reruns that I skipped multiple times before which is exactly what this banner is for.
More importantly, the weapon aspect of this banner is an insane improvement to the current weapon banners. Now you can actually guarantee a 5* weapon of your choice in 180 wishes or less (at least assuming that it has the same pity system as it does for characters here, which may be the only slight downside) - this is way better than needing 270 wishes! And once again, if you do lose the 50/50, you may even get a different limited 5* weapon too which may still be a win as well.
All in all, I think it's a great banner and I completely agree with it using intertwined fates, as like I said I just see it as another limited banner. Also I don't necessarily agree that's a bad thing anyway, as we don't even get way more free standard banner pulls than we do limited ones and most of the wishes come as primogems regardless. The only thing they should possibly change is not resetting the fate points though like I said until then just make sure you only pull if you can guarantee getting two 5 stars so you can make use of your fate point if you do fail the 50/50.
Oh, also I don't think it should be a long banner. Having it switch every version seems fine, that way it's twice as long as the normal limited banners. Switching it only once or twice per region seems way too infrequent in my eyes especially because of how many characters we have now. Having it switch more often increases the chance of actually getting some really amazing banners too if certain combinations of characters end up on it.
I wish the new banner has a new currency/fate BUT we can get them from events maybe like 10-20 new fates per patch so it would be much more affordable than just the regular intertwined fates
Oh god no, then you can’t even save for it the first time. A new currency would be worse than using AF which is already a terrible idea
@@agentkenobii well, the banner will probably rotate anyway, depends on how long each banner will be
I think a third currency is a bad idea
@@I.disagree i mean a new fate, you can exchange with primogems it's basically the same except we can get some fates from the event, that was what i mean by new currency
@@kiranananaa That sounds pretty unnecessary, it's better that it's intertwined since that's the primary fate. If they add a third currency then they might give less primogems overall and more of that third currency instead which would suck since it wouldn't be usable for the limited banner
Honestly, people always bring the argument of if its allowed to make Limited Time Character Standard banner units, and Hoyo literally has a Game where this is the case. Its called Honkai Impact and it literally makes any kind of limited unit that passed the 2-3 year mark a Free2Play obtainable unit. Herrscher of Thunder Mei for example is a big Seller back then and for the longest time for people and now she is farmable with nearly her entire set. I don't see Problem putting Older Units like Albedo or Eula into the standard banner.
HENCE why I feel like they should have reworked the Standard Banner to have a guarantee System and also add Hunters Path, Beacon of the Reed see and with my prior mention also Song of Broken Pines while also adding the units like Albedo and Eula into the standard banner. Especially Albedo to just have a Standard Banner Geo Unit that people can use!
Also something I see here is, given they purposely don't mention the banner duration I feel like, its just 1 Patch. They avoid the talk because they know it will cause a shitstorm given it has a fate point system.
I kinda doubt they would extend the banner past even a single patch since the purpose is to rotate characters quicker right? People will then demand when is Liyue Chronicle Wish gonna come out if the Chronicle Wish last too long.
It's like those incontinence test they gave my grandpa, either cough up 180 pulls or eff off.
People really out here throwing the word “scam” lightly like they know what it means these past few days 😬
I think the two biggest issues around the Chronicled Wish so far are the lack of information about how long each Chronicled Wish period lasts, and exactly what/who they're putting on the Chronicled Wish. I strongly dislike that weapons like Hunter's Path and Beacon of the Reed Sea are being put in the Chronicled Wish and you have to use Intertwined Fates for it, where the characters those weapons are best in-slot for are on the Standard Banner and can be pulled using Acquainted Fates. I wish instead, it was previous event weapons that are no longer obtainable (like Cinnabar Spindle for Albedo). I think in cases like that, using the Intertwined Fates would make sense since they were limited-time weapons no longer obtainable in-game. And in my opinion, if the Chronicled Wish events last for anything shorter than a full patch, it wouldn't super be worth it, but obviously we'll have to wait and see until Hoyo puts out more info
If they make it so that 4star gacha weapons that have been added to the game since launch, are available standard on this new banner, and DON'T need a rate up in order to be included at all in the roster, like with the regular weapon banner, it honestly would be a WAY better alternative to the regular weapon banner. Especially since the guaranteed only requires 1 fate point. The main downside would be if you wanted to get a new 5star character's weapon. Then you'd either have to risk it on the regular weapon banner, or wait for it to show up on this one.
I can also see this as a good alternative for those who are just ABSOLUTELY SICK and *TIRED* of getting certain standard characters over and over and over whenever they lose 50/50.
Also the whole "I think it should last the whole region", then that means none of the limited characters on that, will have a rerun until a whole year later when the region changes. Which honestly sounds worse. This new banner is meant to be like an in-betweener while people wait for the actual rerun. Not something that literally BLOCKS the character from having an actual rerun.
A lot of people trashing this banner completely is basically using it as a lynchpin for overall disappointment that is 4.5 (and Genshin as a whole, tbh). On the other side you have Hoyo's whiteknights trying to convince themselves and everyone around that this banner is content and "oh look how great Hoyoverse is, be grateful!!!", which is just unhinged.
At the end of the day, what this banner does, it moves poorly performing (financially) limited 5* aside so they can rerun big moneymakers more frequently, while still make few bucks on likes of Albedo. Like everything else from Hoyoverse, it's purely business decision, whether or not it's beneficial for the players, it doesn't matter. Just like QoL for new players (in theory at least). With ~75% players dropping the game in first month of playing, Hoyo has small time window to drain as much money as possible before they quit. And those spent a lot of money are more likely to stay longterm regardless of the quality and quantity of lategame experience due to sunken cost fallacy. So no point in bothering with giving veterans what they want, they are already caught.
this is good but its definitely not what people have been asking for. Certain player will like this banner and others will not. Overall in my opinion, the new banner system is a waste of time since characters can just be reran on the limited banners as well. so it would be weird if we got say a eula rerun and eula is also on the chronicled wish.
I’m happy albedos coming back, and on a banner that might last longer than a normal banner would, I’m hoping it will stay for about 3-6 months, because Albedo, klee, and Eula are characters a lot of people love and want so this addition makes me want to play genshin a little more than honkai star rail, I’m also a little upset that they didn’t make specific wishes for this banner instead of intertwined, also if they added better ways to get primos I think a lot more people would be f2p and would play a lot more
And honestly I kinda refuse to finish the story because I don’t want to get bored with genshin, on my newest account I’m still on the inazuman archon quest even though I have all the statues of the seven, I don’t want to get bored of genshin
As long as I remember to never touch this banner unless I somehow have 180 of the right wishes saved up (it hasn't happened yet, but as long as I keep aiming for C0 on any 5-star either the game will expire, the entire gacha will be replaced, or I'll get there eventually), it's not a problem for me.
This new banner is kind of what I've been hoping for for a long while. Now that there are so many characters; it just makes sense to separate the characters from the weapons. At the end of the day it makes it more rewarding for the players without really cutting into their earnings. The way they worded it in the live-stream leads me to believe that they are undecided about it. Like they are testing to see how successful it will be. If it is received well(they make more money) it will become a regular or even permanent thing. If it doesn't pull in the numbers; it might end up an occasional thing or be totally scrapped. I do agree that the fate point should carry over if you change your mind. People will continue to pull for new characters and in turn will need/want new weapons. This will just make the whole experience a little less frustrating. Now if they could just do something about the 4* characters that would be great. I feel it is harder to get cons on 4* than it is getting 5* cons. I have NEVER pulled Kaeya in the 2+ years I've been playing. Waiting for him to appear in star-glitter is annoying AF.
The whole point with the fate point is to animate the players to spend money or trow their accumulated interwined fates, so they want to spend when the juicy banners come around patch 4.6. Hoyo is aiming at the wallets very hard.
Honestly it's okay for new players but that's it... For players who have been playing for years, like me, it will be skipped. As a F2P, primogems are so scarce and few.. They need to give us a way to grind for primos daily, even if it's like a 30 to 50 extra primogems on a daily limit.
Like on Dragonball Legends where you can actually grind friendship rank to get crystals to do summons. It's slow and tedious but it actually something we can do at anytime.
(Firstly, sorry for my gramatic, I’m a Polish and english is my second language ._.)
To me, this is a good banner. The more updates will come to the game, the more characters will be in the game. And this characters will have an own reruns. So, if we want an old character, we must wait for rerun for a very long time. Giving the old characters like Klee, Albedo or Eula on one banner is actually a good thing, because you don’t have to wait for a rerun a year or maybe longer.
And second thing, the weapons. You can get some very rare weapons, like hunters path for Tighnari or wolf’s gravestone, wchich is a very useful claymore. I think this is like the more friendly version of a weapon banner.
The only thing I don’t like is the fate points not catering over between banners.
They should of just of just removed the standard banner and made this the new one. Correct me if im wrong, but characters featured in the banner require to have had 3 runs before and not featured within recent banners. In other words, this banner is strictly for powercrept/OLD characters and weapons. Its a trap for new players. The fact that 3/6 of the "featured" characters are STANDARD BANNER characters is absolutely insane to be used for intertwined fates.
Also for Bran's comment about people who paid for Eula's banner n such being pissed off about getting those characters with standard fates... What about Tighnari and Deyha? KEQING?????
Maybe "recent" is the version/patch that's immediately before? I do hope the Chornicled Wish will last longer than the usual Event Wishes, though.
I have multiple constellations on all the standard banner character but have never gotten a Mona once. Definitely thinking about pulling for her on this banner
I know it would not be great for some people who spent money on the limited characters, but I would like it if we could turn in acquaint fates for primo gems. Even if it was a reduced amount, like 80 primos, I would be willing to wish on this banner if I felt like there was a way to recycle standard banner wishes to help with it.
I personally am glad for this banner specifically because I have started this game for Diluc. I have been playing and pulling on the standard banner for almost 3 years now and still haven’t gotten him. I do understand how kinda “scammy” it is with the fate points but honestly I’m pretty happy I have some sort of guarantee now.
My only issue with the new banner besides the fate points not carrying over is that the selection of event characters seems deliberately small. I've gone through a list of all the previous character banners and, going by what we currently know, Ganyu and Kokomi should certainly be eligible to go on to the Chronicled Wish banner since they both have had at least 3 banners (they've both had 4 each) and both haven't appeared since 3.6 (Ganyu) and 3.8 (Kokomi) . It's got me a little worried that theyre intentionally trying to make it so that it's half event characters and half standard characters.
Also as a personal nitpick I wish that Dehya or Tighnari were among the Standard Characters on there instead of Mona lol
(I already have her at C6 and haven't gotten Dehya yet plz Hoyo i'd just like to get Dehya at least once)
as someone who is playing for a year a low spender and taking a break from time to time I see this as a huge win while the characters on the new banner are not the best I pull for characters only if I like them most of the time and being able to get some of those when I don't have any character on the limited banner I want to wish for now is a nice thing to do from hoyoverse side
ah I think I would have preferred being able to choose which standard 5 star I lose 5050 to on the regular limited banners. Instead of potentially spending 180 wishes for the jean I've been wanting that could go to a limited character I also want. Either way, if I don't lose my next 5050 on arleccino or chlorinde, (whoever comes after the other since I'm on guarantee rn) I might save to wish for jean if this new banner lasts that long. I can hope they'd still add it, but since they have standard 5 stars on this new banner I don't really see them doing it anymore.
It seems like letting you choose which character you want a rerun or choosing which weapon you want and getting it cheaper is a scam and malicious tactic for people now
i see this as a complete win because sometimes there’s limited banners i don’t want to pull on, but then i can’t save
3:25 I think the wording here mean that even if you are at 89 pulls, as long as you havent gotten that 1 fate point, if you swap your path, your pity remain the same. The moment you got that 1 fate point locked in, if you changed your selection, you lose that guarantee.
I still think it is bad, and the only the reason I can think of other than greed is that the game code for wishes in this banner is so spaghetti that they were like fk it, you guys deal with it.
I think this banner is extremely great for newer players and f2p, cause when were starting out, were not gonna be able to level up most 5 stars like raiden, nuevillette and more due to the fact we dont have access to their areas till later in the game.
So even if you pull for those characters they probably will only be usefull until after liyue which is when you need to lv you characters above lv 40.
With the chronical banner, we can get characters that not only are pretty good early game but also lv them up and get good artifacts for them if we wanted to without having to leave monstadt or liyue.
Like i wish i had this when i started, cause i wanted to have diluc when i used him for the first time and he was fun (same for eula). But when i finally pulled diluc from the standard banner, i already had completed sumeru and fontaine, and i already had hu tao and staff of homa maxed up with decent artifacts which made diluc pretty obsalete.
Plus when you starting out and not having a clue on what to do, having characters you can easly use and test is better imo instead of a random event character who most likely will need a guide to use properly.
Now im not saying what people are saying are wrong about it being a scam, we will have to see how long this banner runs for before changing (Which i hope is every patch or 6 wks). Im just saying if we look at this with a bigger picture in mind, this banner is for more early game, f2p and maybe completionist friendly instead of whales/endgame players.
But hey, this is all just my opinion and i may be wrong
Apart from Inazuma, you can directly access any region in the world immediately after the intro section without needing to progress story.
Chronicle is terrible for newer players and F2P because they are the least likely to understand rules for non-transferable guarantee and needing full send all-in 180 wish commit.
Chronicle is probably the worst banner for new players and F2Ps. Newer players won't know the mechanics of the banner while farming primogems will take a long time if you are an F2P. Imo that losing a 50/50 on the regular limited banner and guaranteeing yourself the rate up character is much better than losing on the new banner and still having a 50/50.
I wouldn't mind this kind of banner but, if you pull for a character, you only can get characters. No weapons at all on blue results, which in turn could be turned into other stuff, like fractions of constellations
I wish they will givr us emphtimized path for 4 stars in the main bannerd ! In both my NA and asia account i didnt got Gaming !! Lucky we could choose him on the free 4 star lanten rite thing or elseeee
That would be very good
The only value in this banner is if characters change often, so that the limited banner has fewer premium characters to wish for (so reruns come up quicker) but as you said loosing fate points after short time sucks. This is the real problem with the system... If banner cycle is short or long there is still a problem. And as everyone has already said fate points are bad for player.
Making the banners equitable could be done by charging to primos instead of fates: you could charge 160 for limited, 140 for chronical, and 120 for standard. You could still receive fates as rewards and exchange could happen in reverse direction.
they definitely should have made a new currency, so if you want you can still use primos or just save up on those new fates like for the standard banner
also it's so obvious that they know we will be pissed off if they reveal all the details even though we are pissed even with what they have revealed
I think having it last for a region is far too long, but maybe it lasting 2-3 BP periods would be better. That’s a full two months essentially before rotating to the next region. I’d hate for it to be longer because then this banner isn’t delivering on the need to provide more reruns for characters more often. Also a region could possibly take SO LONG to finish and there aren’t enough regions left to really cycle this through the roster. :/
Feel very useful for people who couldnt get specific cha/weapon in normal banner, hell am only get 1 qiqi after 3 years and 0 dehya, not to count most 5 star weapon in normal banner too, but hey they could do better than this but genshin could never
The only good thing about this banner is basically only needing one fate point for eula's weapon
I think this chronicled wish isn't really that bad or that good. Right now i'm saving to get c1 neuvillette on 4.5 but i would still pull on the chronicled banner if i have extra primos. Cause for me whether i win or lose i get a guaranteed character from the banner and not just get a regular standard characters like i could set it to albedo and lose to klee and thats actually quite nice. The only thing i actually want is them to give more rewards on events or give us more ways to get primos. But anyways i'm actually looking forward the most to lynette's hangout on 4.5 lol
I'm just a little over a year in and am excited about this. I'm either gonna pull for Mona or Eula. I really want both, but I need to choose one
Just make it the new standard and very slowly add more characters to it as the character pool gets bigger. maybe have rotations of it like paimons bargains where there’s designated months for certain 5 stars in it.
For someone like me who is free to play but only started a tear ago I'm really happy that I'm able to try and get the weapons I want when I'm not into the new character