THE MAKER - The History of the Ultimate Marvel Villain
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- In this video, Owen explains the history of The Maker, the origins of Ultimate Fantastic Four and how this alternate version of Reed Richards became one of Marvel Comics greatest villains.
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You have a pretty cool narrative voice. Subbed
... did you say Victor Van Damme? Is Von Doom really called Van Damme in Ultimates?
Please remember: "The best Reed Richards is the worst Reed Richards!" (THE MAKER) one of the few Modern-Day character creations tht actually worked to Nigh-Perfection
Ultimate Reed Richards is the definition of the guy that hits the gym hard after a bad breakup.
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Except in his case he hit the books HARD
@@Doctor4077 really really HARD. Like bye bye Washington D.C hard.
@@bosniankumquat1835 and Obama
Super Me Xd
Aka the true ultimate example of why the 616 heroes should be lucky that Reed was on the good side
Ehhh, For the 2000s and early 2010s 616 Reed was "good" only by a thread especially when you look at Civil War.
@@traverserthein-between9359 yeah, but 616 Reed tries his best, and he's more on the hopeful, optimistic side of things, if not he's on a more grey area if he believes what he's doing is right, while 1610 Reed has a lot more trauma and issues that turned him to a darker side
@@traverserthein-between9359 if anythign everything starting Hickman's run on the Fantastic four, and all stories between that and Secret Wars 2015 accidentally feel like "Rise, fall, and redemption of Reed Richards", especially given Hickman's run was Reed meeting evil alternate versions of him at worst, and at best, versions of him that ditched their own families for the sake of "Solving everything".
And later events showed reed losing a lot and seeing his family suffer because of his actions, indirectly or directly, culminating with seeing his wife, children, close family (except Spider-Man / Peter Parker even if the narrative forgets this), and students die alongside the rest of existence with the beginning of secret wars 2015 with reed's redemption being helping bring back the rest of existence, alongside his family, and even healing victor von doom's face despite everything he did to everyone and himself
Now reed is mostly in the side of good, even if he had some occasional hiccups (like building a machine that hides franklin's mutant DNA). although later retcons (that franklin was never a mutant) and the x-men and krakoa's attitude towards said retcon funny enough ended up basically making reed's hiccup look way more justified than it originally was supposed to be
I dissagree that Reed and Tony were villains in Civil War. Steve wanted living weapons to continue vigilanting without accountability and submitted to their own rules. Switch a Captain Marvel for a nuclear bomb and youll'd see that Tony and Reed were right
@@Gescelio Tony & Steve were both wrong because Millar is a hack. Tony was also war profiteering and not only did Reed help create a clone of Thor that killed a man and would have killed everyone else but he revealed himself to be a supporter of Mccarthyism. Also, Negative Zone prison, enough said.
I would have loved to have him face off against infamous iron Man (Doctor Doom) and have Dr Doom say something witty like, "I am a better hero than you Richards just as I was a better villain."
to be fair, theres the old saying, the best villain of the marvel universe is Reed Richards.
funnily enough, Marvel held a poll one time yonks ago and fans, knowing the joke, wrote in Reed as their answer
This sounds so edgy💀
It happens
@@user-yp9sr1sq5d Look like it too
@@thatboymeak Everyone is the hero of their own story, except me. I'm the side character with popcorn and a heckle on the ready.
Ah, The Maker, one of the rare occasions where a comic makes a major change and fans actually like the change.
I would say more than major. Reed being evil is such a 180. Casuals would find the idea insane lol
Ehhhhh that's not true (looks at comic fans)
Ok fair actually
Probably the best villain Marvel has been able to come up with in a while.
The Maker is the literal personification of the things Reed dislikes about himself and also of the argument that he and Victor are not so different. He is what happens when Reed decides to not hold back anymore and allows his devotion towards science and the greater good to lead him to a dark path.
The Maker is definitely one of the standouts for me as an Ultimate Comics reader. He's frankly a scarier Dr doom in the way he operates; and it'll be shame if the MCU doesn't use the concept when the get to making FF movies.
I'd love to see a story with Maker and Doctor Doom in the main Marvel universe. I'd be fascinated to see how they interact.
Considering they are releasing show cases of their multiverse and how close the fantastic 4 is to that lineup; I can completely see that as a possibility pretty soon
@@voli293 wouldn't say pretty soon, they still have to set them up in the marvel universe, and have movies leading up to him but still a good possibility he'd show up sometime
Maybe they could put the 2015 reboot movie mr fantastic as the maker for the Future MCU movies
@@voli293 But they made Reed look dumb af in the movie.
Having got back into wrestling, I noticed something about how comic books handle villains differently from how wrestling handles heels. I'd say villains like Maker, Doctor Doom, Vandall Savage, and others not specifically tied to a hero are what should be more or less the norm. Heels are their own entities in wrestling, and have their own stories. I think comic books should start doing more of this approach to its villains, and I feel that's what makes ones like the Maker so special. He's everyone's villain, a big threat, and his own character.
Now I want to know who's the Tribal Chief of the Marvel Universe.
@@OwenLikesComics I feel like Roman Reigns and Doctor Doom would get along really well LOL.
@@OwenLikesComics one thing I like about ultimate fantastic four is the reimagining of Victor von doom aka Dr doom's civiliian name as Victor van Damme like jean claude van Damme presumably
@@OwenLikesComics I hoped you see my comment 1 week ago
i'd pop for a Maker face turn
I just think it's so cool how this version of Reed, who was just ment to be a modern incarnation of the classic in a new series, becomes a villian in the mainline comics. That is awesome
Totally agree the maker has earned his place as a multiversal villain here's hoping he'll continue to make fun and intense appearances over marvel's ongoing history!
You left out a rather significant plot point to this Reed's development: he was relentlessly bullied and abused by his father and peers. Given his lack of a stable, supportive upbringing, its small wonder he didn't simply whip up a world-consuming nanite infection or some other horrible creation sooner.
The Maker is what Reed Richards could have become if he never had the Fantastic Four at his side.
The Maker is also the embodiment of the idea that he and Víctor von Doom are one and the same and that they are just as mad and crazy.
@@jorgebersabe293 I'd argue is much worse than that. This is Reed Richards at his most *human*. He's been bullied his entire life (both both peers and parents), abandoned by the one person he honestly loved (Susan, who subsequently attempted to kill him in "Ultimate Doom"), and dismissed by both his team and the wider world (after saving both during Ultimatum). That seemingly never-ending trauma can't help but destroy his sense of connection with the rest of humanity. Add to that his wide-ranging explorations of the multiverse and its little wonder he became what he did.
@@YankeePendragon In other words: The Maker is what happens when Reed decides to not hold back anymore. He is the combination of Reed's best traits and Victor's worst ones.
Gary, Reed's dad, was a f*g for not at least appreciating Reed's ideas a tiny bit and for not allso just kindly ask Reed to at least play with Ben some sport which could have shown Gary slowly caring for his son.
@user-wz8pi6wr5q what is wrong with you?
If the MCU really wanted to get wild down the road, a double face-heel turn with Doom becoming Infamous Iron Man and Reed becoming The Maker would be insane to see.
This comment gets a heart just for the face and heel turn reference.
@@OwenLikesComics Doom and Reed gonna turn out like Stone Cold and Bret Hart. 🤙🤙
Doom better get juice for Reed’s turn, with The Maker cutting a promo immediately after.
I would love that honesty
The Maker should be a Miles villain or a fantastic four villain. He is highly unused and put in books that don’t make sense but is appreciated like Venom
He was the main villain of Future Foundation.
DrPluton which was cut short so
@@DrPluton don’t really count since it’s only 5 issues. Talking about like a multi arc villain
@@StormblessedLizard he will the ultimate universe is gonna invade the 616 universe
@@Menziah Yo did they say this yet or put out any solitications
There is a lot about The Maker that makes him such a cool villain. For me their are two examples I really like; First the creation of the Dome, The City and the Tommorow Children; a new species of hyper evolved humans that had formed their own unique society and were both intelligent and technologically advance enough that they wiped out Asgard and made him cautious to take measures that he won't be surpassed by his own creations which in his words was like "Being the most intelligent Neanderthal among modern man". Second the way he uses his powers in a way creepy compared to his other counterpart like how he forms multiple hands all around his body to work faster and stretching his face to see multiple angles when he operated on Iron man, basically the way he fights as The Maker was like that of a Symbiote all parts of his body would attack even his tongue.
Very op opponent no doubt- imagine you have the weapons to beat him but do you have the strength /speed / dexterity to get him.
The Tomorrow Children strongly reminded me of the dome of Harvey Jessup and its denisens from a FF story from 1986. It was about a dome Dr. Jessup created to protect his city from nuclear war. It should be inpenetrable and time should flow slower inside it. Unfortunately time was flowing a lot faster and when ironman had weakend the barriers enough to enter the dome, hundreds of years had passed. Later the FF entered the dome to finde a society that was generations ahead of the present and that venerated the FF as gods. Ironically through directed evolution some citicens of that new society had the same powers as the FF, but much more powerfull.
I'm pretty sure the Maker's Tomorrow Children were a kind of tribute to that story.
I'm still under the belief that ultimate Thanos got into his head and changed him. He was so nice and relatable before the change.
Honestly I can see him doing something with his head that unlocks the worst of him
He had "grey" thoughts about life and society long before the breakup with Sue. He was somewhat disillusioned with the world while he was still a hero.
The thing I liked about the series was that Reed wasn't the good guy, even from the start. He always neglected advice because he thought he was smarter than everyone else. Every adventure that the Ultimate FF had, was because of what Reed did. From Annihulus, to the Silver Surfer, Reed was responsible every time. The only exception is Thanos, and even then, he tried to fix it on his own, rather than to try and find a way to bring in the Ultimates. Reed always had an arrogance problem, even if he didn't act like it.
@@SuddenReal The Maker is Reed's worst traits given physical form, the embodiment of what he could have been if he lost his mind and adopted Victor's outlook and philosophy on life.
@@Dunge0n What is this supposed to mean? Are you actually defending the makers actions right now 😂
Miles Teller as the Maker in the MCU would be great casting.
I have thought the same thing.
Makes sense this is the origin they tell in that terrible fantastic4 movie. Good thought just didn’t tell the story well.
I'd love to see him as the Maker against John Krasinski (hopefully) as MCU Mister Fantastic
@@CheesyGarlicMan Krasinski as Reed in a MCU movie? Nah, never gonna happen.
@@TheDalekCaan_ impossible
I’m glad Reed has been getting the recognition he deserves lately. The guy is an amazing hero but even better villain. No one made fun of “the guy who can stretch” anymore after this story.
I absolutely love the Maker. When his identity was revealed back in that old Ultimates run, I was genuinely shocked. An evil version of an extremely intelligent hero character can be terrifying. And I have to admit, evil Reed is probably a better villain than evil Batman (Batman who Laughs).
Batman doesnt even come close to be as smart as Reed is.
Yeah, he actually seems like an event level threat and unlike the maker who is better going toe to toe with teams during events, the bwl is better being a justice league or batman recurring villain.
Apart from that, I really liked the way they ended the batman who laughs. Personification of the batman who always wins coz of prep gag. Good thing we won't get that again in the future as even the writers realize they have overdone him.
The Maker is the same as Peter and Miles. Nowadays people think Ultimate Peter (and the Ultimate Universe entirely) had a regular generic backstory but only served to introduce Miles when in reality Peter was the star and heart of the Universe, Miles just happened to become popular because of a movie too. The Maker is an insane and just different character that it’s hard to believe this is Reed Richards, especially knowing he started off as a hero and not just inherently evil
Miles became popular because of the comic or else there wouldn't have been a movie lol he just got more popular
@@ReaperPLUR Not to mention that he survived the cancellation of the Ultimate Comics and became an Avenger.
The maker is the worst nightmare of Reed Richards. Because many times in the comics he stated that without family he would become something worse than Dr. Doom.
Miles was popular even before the spider verse film.
I still don't like Miles...
I loved the reveal of the maker. Ultimate Doctor Doom always seemed a bit limp, so turning reed into his real counterpart was a brilliant move.
His turn made complete sense... as brilliant as he was, he was clueless when I came to personal relationships. Bullied growing up, disliked by his father for being a geek (his father adored Ben), you're partially responsible for disfiguring your best friend, no emotional intelligence which hurts your relationship with Sue. Everything piled on him, of course he would "snap"
Use one of the past fox Reed Richards as the maker ...omg that would be great
Miles Teller would absolutely crush it as The Maker, imo.
@@OwenLikesComics That would be perfect. Fant4stic was heavily based on Ultimate Fantastic Four. Plus it would redeem that movie.
I’ve been WAITING for someone to explain this. I never got a chance to read the ultimate fantastic four, really looking forward to this!
Man I wish you could do these twice a week, they're amazing to catch up and recall past events on comics
The best Reed Richards is the worst Reed Richards! "The Maker" now bonded w/the Ultimate Universe's Synthetic Venom Symbiote is going to be the Big Bad of the next big event. The Maker is going to wreck the main universe's Avengers & X-Men! Super-Elasticity is underrated and add a Symbiote's powerset and evil Reed is OP AF!!!
I would like to see Ultimate Peter Parker fighting him and meet Earth-616 Peter Parker.
Wait that’s a thing
Man I loved ultimate venom. Especially in the ultimate spider-man game
Should probably include spoilers not everyone has read it yet
Makers super power isn't stretchy, it's brains
Frankly, when Reed became The Maker i was cheering for him, because the Ultimate universe kinda sucked at that point, it felt like he was punching them on my instead
Also, it felt like the FF were kicking Reed preemptively, with Sue saying Reed's good points were learned from Ben, and they breaking up after Reed went to hunt down Namor believing him to be the cause of the tsunami that wrecked new york, he did left her in automatic health care, but that was treated as a selfish thing to do, dafuq?
Then when Sue tried to explode Reed's head when she discovered him working with the pink aliens, and he attacking in anger, Sue simply reported "i found him and he attacked me," completely excluding her attack
I guess the last straw was when Reed asked Ben to join him and Ben refused, it was logical, but it would have been amazing if Reed changed his mind after talking with Ben
Ben was the only one justified on cutting Reed off, the rest was the world pummeling him down until he stopped caring, and if he doesnt care about the world, then the only question is, what is the world good for?
To remake it anew, of course
Thats why the Maker is so cool, because he is moved by his desire to do great stuff
Great video! considering how Marvel is planning to introduce the Fantastic Four in the MCU and, right now in Loki TV series, they introduced the concept of variants (alternative versions of characters from different timelines) I think they could introduce The Maker as villain in one of the FF movies. It would be amazing to see a movie focusing on the battle of wits between Reed and his evil version, with him dealing with a villain that represent what he could become if wasn't for his family.
Thank you! I don't know how they'd introduce him, but I'd love to see a live action version of The Maker one day.
@@OwenLikesComics Same. I think he could be the villain in the third Fantastic Four movie, adapting some elements from the Incursion event, with Fantastic Four and the other MCU heroes trying to prevent Earth from being destroy by the Maker, who wants to eliminate the planet to save his reality. The battle could end with both realities being destroyed, and the only surviors would be the heroes who were in Maker's spaceship. This ending could be the cliffhanger for the fourth and final Fantastic Four movie, which could be adaptation of Secret Wars, with Reed, the Maker and the surviving heroes and villains teaming up to defeat Doctor Doom and restore the multiverse.
It would be even better if the MCU version became the maker
Even with it's edginess and flaws, the ultimate universe has a special place in my heart that 616 can't fill
Dude, I was so lapsed in The ultimate universe comics after Ultimatum, but these stories sound and look awesome…I’m gonna have to invest in some trades here soon!
It's because nobody can write like Jonathan Hickman can, his stories are so good because in the beginning they throw out little plot details that come around full circle and make the story that much better I believe Hickman is one of Marvel's greatest writers ever
That said, I'd love to see Grant Morrison write the Fantastic Four. That would be wild.
9:00 Reed's Maker persona does pop up for the first time with his Children of Tomorrow (1st generation, looking like the Future Foundation) during Ultimate Fallout #4, they were using the people checking out the series focusing around the Death of Spider-Man to tease storylines for all their upcoming series. Hickman has a few pages drawn by Salvador Larroca where he shows what happened to Reed after he was left for dead in the Negative Zone with him escaping and going into the dome. It directly followed the introduction of Miles Morales.
You know, I was wondering when you’d make another video on Ultimate Marvel.
Great video, Owen! You should change your name to The Maker because you're really good at MAKE-ing videos ... Ok I'll leave.
Well that was an awful comment Mr. Draper. lol But both you guys have great channels and i always watch yawl's consistently great videos. Puns, Not so much
What a terrible pun. I hope you MAKE up for it later
Thats barely a pun. Shameful
I got the chance to got a physical copy of the issue which revealed reed as the maker when it first came out here in my country and i still have it on my collection to this day
I'm willing to bet the MCU will introduce the Maker as a variant of Reed with some of the multiversal mumbo jumbo that's currently going on.
Yea the maker is definitely a great aspect of the ultimate verse. Hopefully he is utilized good in the future
Excellent, another great video from Owen covering Ultimate Marvel!
Woooow..that’s crazy cause the Ultimate Fantastic Four started me reading the rest of the ultimate comics and is still why I appreciate comics to this day. ❤️ 💕 glad to know it impacted so many people
Nice to see your first video remade a bit. Keep up the good work!
this is the most interesting video I've seen in a while. Well done, for real.
Great video Owen! I like The Maker a lot, is one of my favorite Marvel Characters :-)
Thank you!
This was a really good video. Really liked the Maker.
The Maker has been one of my favorite villains to come out of Marvel recently, (in the last ten years or so anyway,) It's wild how so many neat concepts have outlived the Ultimate universe. Tbh I think that the Ultimate Universe will get a hard reset sooner than later. With Maker leaving to the Ultimate apocalypse in the Cates Venom run, with the purpose of fixing it, it seems to imply Marvel has plans to bring it back in the neat future maybe. I hope we see Ultimate Peter get his own solo run again.
Yes! Ultimate Peter needs his story to continue! I’m cool with Miles but I don’t like how they introduced him by sacrificing a character and story with so much potential left. Miles should have come from another alternate universe like Spider Gwen did
Ben Grimm , the undecided super hero.
He hates being The Thing, he gets changed back, ........then he wants to be The Thing again.
Really enjoyed this, great work
I really miss the ultimate universe a lot!
I loved it, when Kitty Pride became president of her own mutant state while Captain America was the president of the USA at that time.
If and when the true “Prime vs. Ultimate Universe” event happens, I want the Ultimate Peter, the true Ultimate Spiderman be spared or saved. They can be meta saying “you were the youngest and came from a broken universe but you were the biggest light and hope they ever had” or something like that, the writers can figure out the semantics. Essentially return Ultimate Peter and let him live a peaceful life or come back as Spider-Man, a Spiderman who became a leader of the Ultimates and a team in general unlike the main one usually is. I just want him to come back, he was really disrespected just to give Miles some shine
I mean he's with Mary Jane again and in the Ultimates after Bendis retconned that The Ultimate is alive and well a year or two before he left.
@@dekaritheprofessor2631 But it’s been inconsistent. Last time we saw Peter in the Og Ultimate comics he ran off with MJ(which I hate), then in Spidermen 2, and now the Ultimate Universe is destroyed and in ruins apparently. With no explanation to each one, they just happened
@@bryandiaz6597 at this point i wish they just let ultimate peter parker have his own alternate universe on his own. maybe even have miles visit it and realize not only his original 616 self is there as a villain, but there is a new miles who lived through everything that happened in the original 1610 earth pre secret wars to give miles another piece of history to develop in his mythos
@@bryandiaz6597 The Ultimate universe got reassembled after Secret Wars. Peter is still with MJ and on the Ultimates, he just isn’t headlining a comic right now.
@@Gemnist98 but it’s in ruins now thanks to the new Venom run. No word on Peter Parker or anyone. What I want is for Peter to have a truly developed happy ending
The maker is one of my favrite marvel characters. I started reading ultimate Fantastic four because of Marvel Zombies. But the Makers Arc made me stay. The whole ultimate universe was awesome. Loved it!
And they made them the Frightful four
This channel is awesome. I've never read Marvel or DC comics and only watched some of the cartoons and movies but I've always been interested in the stories that the comics told. Great content 👍
I really appreciate that, thank you so much!
Awesome video! Makes me wanna read the whole story
Several years ago I desperately looked on a explainer on The Maker as its concept was utterly interesting, nevertheless I could never find it. Now I feel at peace thanks to you.
Loved this video!!!
Great Job! I've tried to find a good Maker video for years!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another great video, Owen. Keep it up mate!
Thank you!
Absolute favourite Villain, deserves a film for sure 🙌🙏
Have to stop at the 15 min mark. Thank you for explaining this. Reading Secret Wars and needed to know about The Maker but you also help fill in so many more gaps that I'm not as confused now.
the maker is successful in making the ultimate universe
Thanks for this video.
Another great video
Marvel comics is so amazing and great video man :]
Great information, thank you.
The Maker is one of my favorite, such a new take on Reed. I can't wait to watch this, very excited
Hope you enjoy it!
thanks for another great video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Haven’t even seen the video but you already got my like
You're so good! Loving your channel
Thank you so much!
Thanks for this. I didn't get into the Ultimate universe so this filled me in. I didn't warm to the changing artists on the FF., so this is interesting.
6:10 At least they had Greg Land to be consistently inconsistent with his trac-- *referenced* drawings
Great video! Having read the first twenty issues or so of Ultimate FF I found I liked a lot of the concepts the series played around with especially the take on Annihilus and having Sue also be a scientist. Though the unstable creative teams held the series back and I hated Reeds characterization until he went evil.
Personally I miss the Ultimate universe and loved how the concept and creation of supersoldiers was the central theme to most titles. It felt more coherent and the last few years of the universe had some neat stuff with Hickman like his ultimates run. But the bad was really bad like Ultimatum and imo most of the X Men runs. I hate Ultimate Xavier, Jean Grey, Magneto and Wolverine among others characterizations so much, although the weapon x storyline was neat. More Ultimate Marvel videos!
Great video on the maker man
Thank you!
@@OwenLikesComics your welcome
Owen might *like* comics, but we *love* Owen.
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Definitely a fever dream of a universe. A really really wild ride and a good one at that.
Watching this in 2024 with the new ultimate universe is epic. You nailed why the Maker is an interesting villain, glad Marvel kept him around and he is the catalyst if some of their best stories now!
The ultimate universe was underrated. People wanted something new and then got mad when it ended up being different to the main marvel universe
Despite everything that is clearly flawed with The Ultimate Marvel universe it’s so monumentally important to me as a fan, getting me into the main universe and starting me on the path of collecting.
I think the maker is also interesting because he’s nuanced and is also a metaphor for the saying “the path to hell is always paved with good intentions.” Personally Reed was right up until he decided to propose to sue at the funeral. That’s where he went down a dark path but I digress. I love the maker so much because friends of mine and casuals think reed is boring because he’s good or that he’s a tony stark/hank pym clone however the maker illustrates that if he wasn’t a good person and just abandoned notions of good and evil, lives would be ruined. the comic book version of it is not fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.
I need to make some time to read these runs!
You should, there's some great comics in there!
I see a comic book explanation over 5 minutes and I'm watching it. Good choice on this one.
Glad you enjoyed it, there's plenty more longform videos like this on the channel!
Howdy,Owen! As always an excellent job! I know of Ultimate Reed Richards aka the Maker but that being said the devil is in the details! You definitely did that quite well! I’m old school n have been reading comics for over 50+ years! Ultimate U Krio had slot of potential,of course I thought that Marvel was neglecting the ORIGINAL U! Ultimates came out late n George and Gwen Stacy death were UNnecssary? Been there done that! Anyway, the Maker has quantum potential for? Thanks as always very interesting n informative! Ya do your homework n it shows!
I remember reading this as my first step into 1610 and he truly felt unstoppable. I loved it.
Great video
Thanks, Daniel!
ultimate comics was my jumping off point for getting properly into comics so i always get surprised when more comics fans dont know about the maker!!! he was fantastic (pun unintended)
16:49 I really love Molecule Man's response towards Maker's "Who is interested in a weepy god?"
I would love a ReedvsReed Arc. Ben, Johnny, Franklin, Sue and Val will face all the bad aspects of Reed elevated to a T. And Classic Reed would need to know how dirty he must play without scarring himself for life
That's would be awesome to see both yet different versions of Reed Richards fighting each other... it what i would say if not 2015 Secret Wars happens.
Thank you!
Reed Richards’ transformation into the Maker is probably one of my favorite things invented in the Ultimate Marvel universe. I love a story arc of a hero becoming a villain and the Ultimates story arc when he comes back was amazing, especially with the amazing art for the first several issues. But i was never more disappointed in how a storyline ended than when i saw Giant Iron Man vs Giant Hulk. Well, excecpt for the “Hulk pills” solution at the end of Avengers vs Ultimates....and Ultimatum but thats just a given.
I think it's weird how current Prof X costume with helmet looks very similar to the Makers costume.
It would be genuinely amazing if when the f4 of the MCU are nearing the end of their run, Reed devolves into the Maker with his own movie or a crossover event.
Agreed, past me.
Ah Ultimatum basically the prototype [yet somehow better] All-New All-Different. We meet again.
That's a great heel turn!
What are some other good examples of hero's breaking bad?
(Hal Jordan to parallax and dark Phoenix if they actually stuck with it come to mind)
Can't wait to see the maker and the ultimate universe in another big story once more
The Maker is the only good thing that came out of the Ultimate Universe. He's not a lame copy; they evolved him into is own character.
That's why the maker is scary, he's reed friggin' richards. With a mind like that, the earth 616 heroes should consider themselves grateful that mr. fantastic is a good guy
As someone below has probably already said (but just in case....):
The whole "Council of Ricks" in 'Rick and Morty' is just a rip off of the 'Council of Reeds' that first appeared years before in Marvel Comics.
I also like the fact that part of The Maker's origins was from a story during John Byrne's run on Fantastic Four, where a scientist friend of Reed thought the world was going to end, so he gathered a community to place in a 'Null Time Bubble', that would open once it was safe.
However, he messed up his calculations, and time within the bubble was faster than on the outside, which led to the community being made of monstrous inbreeds, while the scientist extended his life by cryonics, coming out when needed (can't recall exactly which issue that was in without googling, though).
The best theory I’ve heard is an in depth analysis of the MCU and how it’s really the Ultimate universe…
Which means that the upcoming Cinematic Universe Fantastic 4 might see this character created…
I’m down to see that if they’ll give it to us.
Hello, i came from the comment in Twitter under heavy spoilers.
I'm happy that I did.
Thanks so much!
Would with they adapt this in the mcu using josh trank versions of the 2015 FF movie reed...
That would be pretty cool
That movie was adapting the Ultimate Universe origin story.
Jonathan Hickman is apparently going to revive the Ultimate universe
With the helmet and later, his storylines regarding the FF and Franklin, there were early rumors that X/Xavier was actually the Maker in disguise.
A rumour that only really existed outside of the X-men fanbase. There are simply too many people within Krakoa, with various abilities, that would know a fake Xavier was among them.
Imagine The Maker travel to the 2015 fantastic four universe and kill them all because he hates them too
One of two really interesting new characters from the Ultimate Universe. The other for me, being The Magician in Ultimate X-Men. Although only Miles Morales and The Maker made the leap into 616. Technically, the Magician still could too. Given how he left the UXMN book.
I wish we could see the maker interact with this new version of professor that wears cerebro. It eould be so epic lol