Never heard of Jim Wilson, but he was obviously correct in what he was trying to say while surrounded by Dr. D, Capt. Lou, and an audience of yahoos. Time has proven him right, and to this day he is trying to help wrestlers who are on the wrong side of the political aspects of the business, or otherwise hurt from their work in the ring. He was an easy target on Mort's show, but he was right.
This is great. I love how freely people could speak back then, at least in the right forum. I also forgot how great a show Morton Downey Jr had. And wow, a bonus appearance by Paul Heyman.
You're right. Guys like Schultz were ALWAYS in character and it got him in a lot of trouble. By trying to defend the biz he ended up only hurting it even more.
every single thing jim was saying turned out to be true and no one believed him in that room and he showed incredible composure during this entire ordeal
dean pharis gymnasts dont get injured, killed, or end their careers because of physical fighting though. Wrestling involves fighting between 2 people and many times the fight can turn real or they take real shots or go overboard because of real life beef. Wrestling is a very risky dangerous form of entertainment and many have paid the price. Dont pass it off as completely fake and nonsense because trust me its not, even brock lesnar has said that and hes been in MMA and WWE.
ITS NOT REAL its coregeophy one of the Hwarts fell from a wire it's entertainment these guys spend days practicing not to hurt eachother,Did u ever see the punches w the footstomp foe sound effects it's dangerous stunts not real fighting PERIOD
dean pharis i know its not real im not saying its real. Of course its not a real fight, they are telling stories in the ring but what im saying is that there is pain involved and tons of injuries happen and many wrestlers work stiff and at times hit for real on purpose or by accident, its called getting potatoed. Getting slammed on the ring from the top rope or to the floor does hurt,. its not a trampoline. The injuries these guys get is insane. They get hurt more often than MMA guys because there is greater risk involved.
btw the fights are staged these guys DON't hate eachother!!!many have died due to steroids and mental problems w that like murder suicide see the videos of all the pro wrestlers that died outside the ring & also it would not be legal to smack a steel chair on anyones head unless concented for entertainment purpouses I'm passing it off as FAKE MMA now thats real collage wrestlings real everyone knows its fake c'mon
Well said!You can't beat the old"Code of Silence".My father used to workout with Ray "Thunder"Stern at his Health Club in San Francisco.When he was going to go up against Ray "the Crippler"Stevens,my dad had to ask,"Who's going to win."He never spoke to my father again!
I am a fan of Dr. D, but everything he says on this show is wrong, and everything Wilson says is true. He says Wilson can't play football. Wilson was an All American at Georgia, and played in the NFL. Says he never heard of a blade job? David Schulz knew exactly what he was talking about and did it many times in his career. I don't know about the homosexual allegations Wilson is making toward those promoters, but I would bet that he is telling the truth about that as well. I get that Schultz and Albano were trying to protect the "business" but looking back on it now they look quite foolish.
"He's (Schultz) has been in the business and it's never happened to him, how come it happened to you?" - Because Schultz never worked for Jim Barnett, Mort.
I believe he was really told he was gonna get a push only in GA because promoters will say anything.. Jim Wilson was a legit football star in GA & PLAYED FOR THE FALCONS.. DR.D HAS heard of him..
Holy shit do I miss kayfabe. I mean, wow, these guys were selling the business as being legit with their very soul. Much respect to them for that. As for Mort, the entire show was more scripted than wrestling. Watch Évocateur and learn how each show was written well in advance and Mort was simply given a point, a side to argue for, and he'd go with it, despite what he truly believed. Bonus Dennis Coralluzzo sighting, too. Nice to see him not freaking out and biting his fingernails to the nubs for a change. >_>
Watching this in 2018. My how things have changed. I won't repeat all the previous comments that Jim and Patterson were right, but to watch this now is really something.
People who are looking at this from today's perspective are missing the point that in those day they protected the business. From the wrestler and promoters side, there was a fear that if the business was officially exposed as a work, nobody would come to matches, or watch anymore. Even those who knew it was a work back in the day still questioned, "maybe this or that match was real" because you could never get a successful, money drawing, wrestler to admit that. So it's not so much that that dude was right, as much as he was a chump who was turning on his fellow workers...its such an abstract thing looking at it from 2015. There was no internet, no "shoot" interviews, etc.
The monkey wrench in this argument is that the ring boy scandal broke a few years later and it was revealed what Jim Wilson was talking about was true. Schultz is doing some real asinine shenanigans in order to protect officials who were molesting little boys. There's no excuse for what he is doing, no matter the context.
I am also surprised by Wilson´s calm demeanor especially when Doctor D threw water at him. I think Wilson could have handled D if he wanted to. He was a fairly accomplished football player and an upcoming wrestler until the INCIDENT happened. In truth he was trying to stand up for his fellow wrestlers. God Bless Wilson.....RIP!!! He should have been a bigger name in sports.
LOL I remember the Morton Downey Jr. Show. I would secretly watch it in my room when I was around 8 or 9 years old. My parents caught me watching it and I got the shit beat out of me. This was the equivalent of Jerry Springer back in the day.
Man do I remember seeing this show live on tv back in the summer of 1988 this was really funny yet an eye opener it was the pioneer of trashy reality talk tv. Yes wrestlers and their promoters back then went to great lengths to protect the business and not expose its dark secrets, even though we knew that wrestling was scripted and arranged still it was looked at as an entertaining business, Yes Dr Shultz is right even though it’s a tough business , sadly 30 years later most wrestlers have been neglected as far as health benefits and have died or are suffering with many medical problems the promoters used them then dumped them. Jim Wilson and Claud were right about the abuses that went on behind the locker room door.
He was protecting the business, it was really important back then. Also I love how Paul E. called in, I didn't even know he was around back then, this has to be the mid 80s, since Dr. D was in the business.
Every wrestling fan in the world knows this was the way before the dawn of the internet. Doing anything else meant you never worked again. Have you never heard of Eddy Mansfield.
And another thing I love how Shultz is trying to protect the business here, yet when Vince McMahon shit canned his ass for slapping the shit out of Stossel he claimed he was told to do so.
It's amazing how similar Steve Austin's demeanor and attitude were to that of Davide Schultz! Both seemed pissed off 24/7 and had a lot of the same characteristics in the way they spoke. Austin was at his most intense in late '96 and '97 From around the time he did the angle where he broke into Brian Pillman's house and Pillman pulled a real gun on him.
I do agree on that. Going on national tv and especially on a show like this was the wrong thing for him to do but he was not insinuating that at all. Just with him and his situation. It just happened to be the sort of thing going on with a lot of other wrestlers at that time. If David Shultz was so loyal to the business then, why did he go out of his way to expose the business eight years later? He knew all the stuff that went on but he did nothing about it until others decided to speak out
Can you imagine David Shultz nowadays working as a motivational speaker in addition to his other ventures ? Yes you too can hire this man to "motivate" your employees.....
But, for it’s time Mort was the biggest, loudest, and best show for it’s time, hand’s down! He was far and away more informative and entertaining than any of his contemporaries. I know you don’t, but I miss the guy and was genuinely sad when I found out he passed away.
I had taped this show and I lent it to a freind because I had a movie taped on it too and never got it back. I remember at the end when Morton asks if G.L.O.W. was fake and the guy replies we have a show comming up and the show ends. I miss his show. RIP Morton Downey Jr.
Actually it was well known in many non-wrestling circles. There was a book published in the 1930's called "Fall Guys: The Barnums of Bounce" that detailed the inner working of pro-wrestling. I also remember reading sports writers claim that wrestling was fake, so many people did know about the real pro-wrestling.
Shultz used to be the man, but his defense of pro wrestling as being "real" comes off as really silly nowadays with so many shoot interviews. He was such a mark for the business. He bladed, but denied it. It claimed he's 0% fake, but he "won" or "lost" as the promotors told him to. Jim Wilson and Thunderbolt were the only legit people in that entire clip.
These old clips of pro wrestling allegations on Morton Downey, Donahue, etc. look so much more interesting now all these years later in 2009. Imagine telling them then what's been happening in the last few years or so. Man oh man Morton Downey Jr.'s show was way ahead of its time. It was almost like Politically Incorrect, but even more raw and enthralling. Westside of Milwaukee baby!
every era has its thing, everyone is hated at some point. It's never about how great is someone for doing something for the first time but for being accused to being different for the first time.
RIP Jim.....You deserved better.
Never heard of Jim Wilson, but he was obviously correct in what he was trying to say while surrounded by Dr. D, Capt. Lou, and an audience of yahoos. Time has proven him right, and to this day he is trying to help wrestlers who are on the wrong side of the political aspects of the business, or otherwise hurt from their work in the ring. He was an easy target on Mort's show, but he was right.
Yeah he was 100% accurate but he was also exposing the business when things were very secret and hidden.
and the sheer restraint and calm nature of him after being ridiculed and insulted by everyone on this show is amazing..
The Mort Downey Jr Show was such a heel organisation.
RIP Mr Morton Downey Jr. You are Well Missed.
The guy pulled a jussie Smollett 😂
This is great. I love how freely people could speak back then, at least in the right forum. I also forgot how great a show Morton Downey Jr had. And wow, a bonus appearance by Paul Heyman.
You're right. Guys like Schultz were ALWAYS in character and it got him in a lot of trouble. By trying to defend the biz he ended up only hurting it even more.
How?
every single thing jim was saying turned out to be true and no one believed him in that room and he showed incredible composure during this entire ordeal
so is gymnastics
dean pharis gymnasts dont get injured, killed, or end their careers because of physical fighting though. Wrestling involves fighting between 2 people and many times the fight can turn real or they take real shots or go overboard because of real life beef. Wrestling is a very risky dangerous form of entertainment and many have paid the price.
Dont pass it off as completely fake and nonsense because trust me its not, even brock lesnar has said that and hes been in MMA and WWE.
ITS NOT REAL its coregeophy one of the Hwarts fell from a wire it's entertainment these guys spend days practicing not to hurt eachother,Did u ever see the punches w the footstomp foe sound effects it's dangerous stunts not real fighting PERIOD
dean pharis
i know its not real im not saying its real. Of course its not a real fight, they are telling stories in the ring but what im saying is that there is pain involved and tons of injuries happen and many wrestlers work stiff and at times hit for real on purpose or by accident, its called getting potatoed. Getting slammed on the ring from the top rope or to the floor does hurt,. its not a trampoline. The injuries these guys get is insane. They get hurt more often than MMA guys because there is greater risk involved.
btw the fights are staged these guys DON't hate eachother!!!many have died due to steroids and mental problems w that like murder suicide see the videos of all the pro wrestlers that died outside the ring & also it would not be legal to smack a steel chair on anyones head unless concented for entertainment purpouses I'm passing it off as FAKE MMA now thats real collage wrestlings real everyone knows its fake c'mon
Well said!You can't beat the old"Code of Silence".My father used to workout with Ray "Thunder"Stern at his Health Club in San Francisco.When he was going to go up against Ray "the Crippler"Stevens,my dad had to ask,"Who's going to win."He never spoke to my father again!
"You're a liar and a GOOF" lol that's the funniest thing I've ever heard.
Schultz is the liar and the goof.
DAVID SHULTZ = STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN OF 80S !!!
Now, He’s a Bounty Hunter, Bail Revocation Agent!
Schultz
I LOVED MORTON DOWNEY JR. !!!! all the other shows like this got their start from right here,baby!!
I loved this show!!! Thanks for posting.
It’s funny how they called Jim Wilson a liar and see how it came out in the end.
And all in Jim's rear end.
Who would ever think that there was a show in which Morton Downey was the calm , rational one.
WOW! This brings back memories! I remember seeing this I was 12, Dr Death was AWESOME!
He's a lying, evil sack of sh_t.
I am a fan of Dr. D, but everything he says on this show is wrong, and everything Wilson says is true. He says Wilson can't play football. Wilson was an All American at Georgia, and played in the NFL. Says he never heard of a blade job? David Schulz knew exactly what he was talking about and did it many times in his career. I don't know about the homosexual allegations Wilson is making toward those promoters, but I would bet that he is telling the truth about that as well. I get that Schultz and Albano were trying to protect the "business" but looking back on it now they look quite foolish.
If somebody hooked a lie detector up to the blonde headed guy it would probably have blown up.
dr d shcultz is the ORIGINAL stone cold!!
You got that right !
makes Sid Vicious look like a pussy cat
"He's (Schultz) has been in the business and it's never happened to him, how come it happened to you?"
- Because Schultz never worked for Jim Barnett, Mort.
I think you’re right
This man shoulda been the main heel in the business 💯
You won't see this happen again. A work and a shoot taking place simultaneously.
Dr. D was the Stone Cold Steve Austin/CM Punk of the 80s
he deserves a hall of fame induction
He is pretty unhinged and I guess you enjoy that, but he seems to get himself into trouble with his temper
funny part was jim wilson was right.
Right, and they're arguing against their own self interest ... It's sort of insane.
Yup, he was right about everything including the homosexuality. It didn't happen to all wrestlers but it did happen to some.
get jim wilsons book. a lot of dirt that he brings out.
dcfromcc thanks. I will.
I believe he was really told he was gonna get a push only in GA because promoters will say anything.. Jim Wilson was a legit football star in GA & PLAYED FOR THE FALCONS.. DR.D HAS heard of him..
Some of the guests stayed at the Meadowlands Hilton, but Dr D dragged his knuckles back to his cave.
Crazy hearing Heyman on the line at 6:30, so far back in the day.
Holy shit do I miss kayfabe. I mean, wow, these guys were selling the business as being legit with their very soul. Much respect to them for that.
As for Mort, the entire show was more scripted than wrestling. Watch Évocateur and learn how each show was written well in advance and Mort was simply given a point, a side to argue for, and he'd go with it, despite what he truly believed.
Bonus Dennis Coralluzzo sighting, too. Nice to see him not freaking out and biting his fingernails to the nubs for a change. >_>
Bruno Sammartino sold the business as legit, and he was always a class act, unlike these assinine buffoons.
this crowd is the "jerry springer" crowd......lol.....they're rowdy..
Watching this in 2018. My how things have changed. I won't repeat all the previous comments that Jim and Patterson were right, but to watch this now is really something.
People who are looking at this from today's perspective are missing the point that in those day they protected the business. From the wrestler and promoters side, there was a fear that if the business was officially exposed as a work, nobody would come to matches, or watch anymore. Even those who knew it was a work back in the day still questioned, "maybe this or that match was real" because you could never get a successful, money drawing, wrestler to admit that. So it's not so much that that dude was right, as much as he was a chump who was turning on his fellow workers...its such an abstract thing looking at it from 2015. There was no internet, no "shoot" interviews, etc.
Everyone knew wrestling was fake back then, it wasn't news. These yahoos lied their asses off on national TV for no reason.
Exactly well said
💯
The monkey wrench in this argument is that the ring boy scandal broke a few years later and it was revealed what Jim Wilson was talking about was true. Schultz is doing some real asinine shenanigans in order to protect officials who were molesting little boys. There's no excuse for what he is doing, no matter the context.
I am also surprised by Wilson´s calm demeanor especially when Doctor D threw water at him. I think Wilson could have handled D if he wanted to. He was a fairly accomplished football player and an upcoming wrestler until the INCIDENT happened. In truth he was trying to stand up for his fellow wrestlers. God Bless Wilson.....RIP!!! He should have been a bigger name in sports.
Antonio Azevedo Sure because being a football play means he can fight. 😱
Paul Benoit you going d1 big guy? Didn’t think so, why don’t you fight that 6’4” 250 pound man Jim Wilson. He would’ve clapped your sorry ass.
i think he knew that he was only acting. he sat next to him. you don't know who would win... he too is over 6ft and weighs close to 300 pounds.
Great show
LOL I remember the Morton Downey Jr. Show. I would secretly watch it in my room when I was around 8 or 9 years old.
My parents caught me watching it and I got the shit beat out of me.
This was the equivalent of Jerry Springer back in the day.
Man do I remember seeing this show live on tv back in the summer of 1988 this was really funny yet an eye opener it was the pioneer of trashy reality talk tv. Yes wrestlers and their promoters back then went to great lengths to protect the business and not expose its dark secrets, even though we knew that wrestling was scripted and arranged still it was looked at as an entertaining business, Yes Dr Shultz is right even though it’s a tough business , sadly 30 years later most wrestlers have been neglected as far as health benefits and have died or are suffering with many medical problems the promoters used them then dumped them. Jim Wilson and Claud were right about the abuses that went on behind the locker room door.
this show was great.
He was protecting the business, it was really important back then. Also I love how Paul E. called in, I didn't even know he was around back then, this has to be the mid 80s, since Dr. D was in the business.
I thought that was Jeff Jarrett when I saw the thumbnail for this video!🙂😂😂
Schultz should be in the hall of fame
Dr. D was so 🔥🔥🔥 on the mic!!
Dr D was such a liar. Cutting was so routine back then.
The good old days of kayfabe, Doctor D, really knew how to stay in character.
kayfabe was huge then robert..... they didnt get paid if they broke that in public for anything, cuz they would be fired
You sir, are maybe the biggest fucking mark I've ever seen in a comment thread on CZcams. I wish I had a belt to give you...
lol duh. its called kayfabe
Every wrestling fan in the world knows this was the way before the dawn of the internet. Doing anything else meant you never worked again. Have you never heard of Eddy Mansfield.
I'm just waiting for Coraluzzo to say, "Hey man, he's pissin on the belt." LOL
It's funny because even with this old footage you can still easily see the cut marks on Dr. D's forehead from "blade jobs".
And another thing I love how Shultz is trying to protect the business here, yet when Vince McMahon shit canned his ass for slapping the shit out of Stossel he claimed he was told to do so.
"cause I had plenty of women!" My favorite part of this video.
talk shows from the early 80's were all like this. Tom Snyder was another one who got into the whole Jerry Springer trash tv thing
Awesome. Dr D is kicking off again :)
He's a lying scumbag.
Shultz lives his character to the extreme
It's amazing how similar Steve Austin's demeanor and attitude were to that of Davide Schultz! Both seemed pissed off 24/7 and had a lot of the same characteristics in the way they spoke. Austin was at his most intense in late '96 and '97 From around the time he did the angle where he broke into Brian Pillman's house and Pillman pulled a real gun on him.
I do agree on that. Going on national tv and especially on a show like this was the wrong thing for him to do but he was not insinuating that at all. Just with him and his situation. It just happened to be the sort of thing going on with a lot of other wrestlers at that time. If David Shultz was so loyal to the business then, why did he go out of his way to expose the business eight years later? He knew all the stuff that went on but he did nothing about it until others decided to speak out
Dr. D says he never bladed???? hahahahah..... protecting the biz
Just for the record, the name that Dr D said that was bleeped was Eddie Mansfield, if anyone was wondering.
Can you imagine David Shultz nowadays working as a motivational speaker in addition to his other ventures ? Yes you too can hire this man to "motivate" your employees.....
Smoke is up Morton
he was a great entertainer
Dr. D rules!!!!
But, for it’s time Mort was the biggest, loudest, and best show for it’s time, hand’s down! He was far and away more informative and entertaining than any of his contemporaries.
I know you don’t, but I miss the guy and was genuinely sad when I found out he passed away.
Dennis Corraluzzo was actually one of the slimest, least ethical wrestling promoters on the indie wrestling scene.
RIP Morton Downey, Jr.
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!
Morton has brass balls getting Doctor D. on there!
Man this is more like a damn roast
"i don't think you can play football." lmfao!!!
he called in at the end and hes like, " Jim Wilson is..." then it ends.
LMAO @ 5:50 , the man in tie gave his friend a wrestling move
I had taped this show and I lent it to a freind because I had a movie taped on it too and never got it back.
I remember at the end when Morton asks if G.L.O.W. was fake and the guy replies we have a show comming up and the show ends.
I miss his show. RIP Morton Downey Jr.
LOL at Dennis Corraluzzo!!!!
True. The good old days.
Holy shit! David Schultz don't know what a blade is ,yeah right!
Dr.D. is the man
I agree 1000%!
Austin stole his gimmick from Dr Shultz. Dr D was the man! I've seen him wrestle several times when I was a kid. God! I miss him!
Actually it was well known in many non-wrestling circles. There was a book published in the 1930's called "Fall Guys: The Barnums of Bounce" that detailed the inner working of pro-wrestling. I also remember reading sports writers claim that wrestling was fake, so many people did know about the real pro-wrestling.
@2199 he was a former football player-turned-wrestler who wrote a book called Chokehold
R.I.P. Jim Wilson.
Morton Downey Jr is the only guy that can make Jeremy Kyle look classy...
@Ratt2004 thnx for the heads up. Was he any good in Football?
YES! Heyman! He makes the clip.
i miss him
Dr D- the original Stone Cold Steve Austin!!!
Shultz used to be the man, but his defense of pro wrestling as being "real" comes off as really silly nowadays with so many shoot interviews. He was such a mark for the business. He bladed, but denied it. It claimed he's 0% fake, but he "won" or "lost" as the promotors told him to.
Jim Wilson and Thunderbolt were the only legit people in that entire clip.
blonde hair dude reminds me of stone cold
R.I.P. Morton Downey Jr.
"Yeah, Schultz's asinine behavior convinced me wrestling is real," said no one ever.
Dr D the real stonecold.
We never got Morton Downey Jr's show in Australia. We did get Jerry Springer though.
I think they just stand up for what is right and speak out against what is wrong in how some are treated!
Back when the media really thought they were on to something by exposing that wrestling was fake.
Schultz rules...This is almost as good as his AWA promo where Mean Gene bursts out laughing
Schultz is a piece of garbage.
What years did the Downey show run? I remember it well but just not the years.
These old clips of pro wrestling allegations on Morton Downey, Donahue, etc. look so much more interesting now all these years later in 2009. Imagine telling them then what's been happening in the last few years or so. Man oh man Morton Downey Jr.'s show was way ahead of its time. It was almost like Politically Incorrect, but even more raw and enthralling. Westside of Milwaukee baby!
Dr. d was awesome
and doctor D hits the nail right on the head
He was lying is what he was doing.
Paul E. on the giant cordless telephone!!
I want that Dr. D shirt.
every era has its thing, everyone is hated at some point. It's never about how great is someone for doing something for the first time but for being accused to being different for the first time.
“Did you kiss him?”😂
5:56 Ladies and Gentleman, my name is Paul Heyman!!
Did Dr. D say "Pat Patterson" @ the 4:18 mark? It sounded like it to me.
Superstar's feelings on the company depends on whether or not they are paying him at that time.
Who the name David Schultz said that they bleeped out?
Anyone know what year this this was?
The name that was beeped was Eddy Mansfield. He worked with Wilson on the 20/20 story.