Its funny how people seriously try to debate this. The only argument I ever hear in favor of Jack is 18 majors. How many other areas and records does Tiger obliterate Jack in? lol Nobody is taking Bill Russell over Jordan just because Bill Russell has more rings.
Bill russell was part of a team with many all stars; he was a great player. Jack played against the field with no help. That said, Tiger's doctor was busted for bringing PEDs into the US from Canada.
Literally the only argument Jack has over tiger are only 3 more majors and more 2nd places. and thats largely because he played in almost double the tournaments. literally every other possible metric, stat, accolade, etc Tiger has him and almost everyone else ever BEAT.
ESPN put this rest. Google Nicklaus wins 'greatest player of all time' debate over Tiger, hands down. Source ESPN. In 50 years, people will see Nicklaus 18 Majors Woods 15. If a golfer ever wins 11 majors are they going to be asking, will the field play 0.8% worse or will he be the man to break Jack's major championship records? These will not be asterisks in the record books.
@@frustratedgolfer7988 You have it backward. The reason those people have recognizable names is not because they were tougher competition, it's because the rest of their competition was dog sh. It's easier to distinguish oneself in a weak field, which is exactly what the people you named did. The stats don't lie, Tiger had tougher competition AND better stats regardless.
@@frustratedgolfer7988dude get out of here. Not only was the avg tour player much better when tiger played, he played against some big competitors as well. Phil, Ernie, Vejay, retief, Padraig, Davis love, I could keep going on and on. Jack play against a handful of guys and the rest were just tour players part time. Some of them literally had other jobs and golfed when they could. To compare the 2 eras is laughable. Nobody with half a brain who has watched tiger woods actually golf and dominate and change an entire sport thinks Jack is even close to being the GOAT. 2000 tiger woods makes Jack quit golf forever. Jack can have the major record but we all know tiger woods is the best person to ever play this game.
Great video and an awesome breakdown. BUT... Grammar aside, you still lost me at the first sentence: "...There might not be anyone more GOAT'ier than Tiger Woods." FTFY: Wayne Gretzky
Twice as many points as everyone else except like 15 guys Take away his goals (most ever BTW) and he still has the most points He got bernie nichols to score 70+
I like like Nicklaus but after seen the states objectively tiger is the goat. Just like Magic Johnson was a great basketball player, but he not Michael Jordan
Jack won 20% of every event played over 19 consecutive tears. Tiger 25% over 14. Jack finished second 19 times in majors and won 18. Tiger had the best ten year run in history, Jack had the best entire career in history.
@@frustratedgolfer7988 that's not true, Jack's win rate is much lower than that. In fact, the second best win rate on tour is Ben Hogan. Jack is not even third either.
well TW certainly has had a legion of millions of of fans worldwide for many years that would agree that such stats make him the g.o.a.t. and may even believe that when he joins the seniors tour he may yet equal JN major record
What about them? Like, sure, if you can point to the specific golfer who couldn’t afford to go on tour that actually could have had a better career than Tiger, and provide evidence to back it up, then we can talk. But Tiger has dominated at every level of play, so the odds that there is someone who COULD have been better but didn’t make it is, well, pretty low. Even then, until you can provide the example, it’s a hypothetical that has no bearing on the GOAT debate.
It’s Jack and it’s not that close. Tiger Woods had the greatest run of any golfer who’s ever picked up a club, but Jack Nicklaus put together a career that, from start to finish, was unparalleled. That’s not an indictment of Tiger. The only leaderboard that matters is the one on the 72nd hole. It just says that Tiger’s peers never put pressure on him on a Sunday and he never put pressure on them. He dominated in an era of chokers. Jack dominated in an era of legends. Look at Jacks Top 3 finishes and its not close at all not to mention More majors. Tiger will never pass him.
So in the future we can come across a golfer who will have won, say, five majors that qualifies or disregards performance in the majors and yet we can declare him the GOAT even over Tiger or Jack? For example, if a golfer wins thirty FedEx Cups in a row, can you declare him the GOAT even if he won five majors?
@@maxpower6706 hmmm. Me personally I think they are equals on top on pluses and minuses. But I suspect if Woods was given the option on either he'd take 73 & 18.
@@marknorris1381 Given the option I think Jack would take winning FOUR MAJORS IN A ROW and 82 PGA TOUR WINS over 18 Majors against weaker competition than Tiger and 73 PGA Tour wins ..
@@brenjbradshaw Given the option I think Jack would take winning FOUR MAJORS IN A ROW and 82 PGA TOUR WINS over 18 Majors against weaker competition than Tiger and 73 PGA Tour wins ..
He didnt. Jack's stats dont come close to Tiger's. Either does his competetion, fitness, training, and health regime like the guys Tiger played against. They all were playing to beat Tiger. But no one could.
Enough with the GOAT BS lmao... Jack Nicklaus played against much better competition, CLUTCH ones. Gary Player 9 Majors, Watson 8, Palmer 7, Travino 6, Ballesteros 5, Floys 4, and others. They were hungry and got paid little finishing 2nd, 3rd, etc... Today players become millionaires finishing top 10 in a few events lol...
You have to understand the competition and impact. Tiger woods made the game to what it is today. He brought the crowd in, and also tiger had way more competition then both of those players. Jack played in a era with plastic balls and wooden clubs that you really could never spin or adjust
Tiger Tiger Tiger Blah Blah Blah............Jack has 18 majors and 19 second place finishes in majors!! All while making sure that his family came first!! Adjusted this percentage that, more blah blah blah..... It's called word salad!! Tiger owns all kinds of numbers and percentages except for one thing....... majors and second-place finishes in majors so just stop!!!!
Tiger's cumulative scores obliterated Jack's in the Majors! Tiger shot a collective score of 193 UNDER PAR while Jack shot 97 UNDER PAR in the 18 Majors that he won! The ONLY reason that Tiger has not exceeded twenty plus Majors have been injuries and surgeries that kept him from playing. And to trail bY only THREE is amazing. Runner up finishes are not wins, but LOSSES! You fans of Jack's find ways to pad his stats with meaningless nonsense. Tiger mopped the floor with him and all the rest...
@@brenjbradshaw excuses excuses........ You can go on forever the score is 18 to 15 and 19 to 6. If a person or a team wins by one point or a thousand points they're still crowned champion and there's still a loser. Sorry tiger second place finisher forever! Bridesmaid runner-up!
@@jonhenke1504 you forget overall wins at 82 tying Sam Snead, Golf is nothing like a team sport so stop comparing them, each match is on a different playing field and it's a free for all, majors are huge but so is overall wins, Sam Snead is an all time great because of his 82 wins not 6 majors.
In my opinion, Jack is and will always be the GOAT. He also conducted himself as the ultimate professional on and off the course. Remember Jack used a ball that was sub par to his competitors. In my book Tiger is not in the top 10 list.
All of these reasons never qualified anyone for the GOAT status, they were invented in a post Wood's failed to catch Nicklaus world. Reason 1 = 0. Sam Snead was never called the GOAT with 82 wins, for it was Jacks 18. 2. Reason #5, belongs to Jack, do the research. In 1988 they started to calculate adjusted scoring average, something irrelevant to what made Nicklaus that GOAT. Reason 3, How long he was ranked #1, MEANS = 0. Luke Donald was ranked #1 for over a year and never won a major, and there are golfers than won a major, like Ye Yang, that were never ranked in the top 20. Was never a benchmark, reason or consideration for what ranks as the GOAT. Reason 2. Players play 0.8 % worse when he played? Since when was that a benchmark for qualifying for the GOAT? Why did you skip these stats? Oh, they still belong to Jack.. anyone can cherry pick out things .. Nicklaus holds the record for most runner-up finishes in majors with 19… Nicklaus holds the record for most top-five finishes in major championships with 56.,,,, Nicklaus holds the record for most top-10 finishes in major championships with 73…. Nicklaus finished in the top-10 in his final three professional major championships as an amateur… Nicklaus holds the record for most top-10 finishes at Augusta with 22, as well as cuts made, with 37. He also holds the record for wins with six, and runner-up finishes with four…. For his career, Nicklaus has 68 finishes of seventh or better at majors…. From the 1970 Open Championship to the 1978 Open Championship, Nicklaus finished outside the top 10 just twice in majors…. Google Tiger Woods Won't Pass Jack Nicklaus: How His Inevitable Failure Unfolds from 2010, if those 5 reasons were relevant, why are there a ton of articles pre 2018 calling Wood's career an Inevitable Failure? When Jack was Labeled the GOAT was it for those 5 reasons? These ALTERNATE reasons are only being said and found in a POST Woods will not break Nicklaus world. Question for up & coming 18 year old golfer, What is your career goal? Will his answer be A: To be the most competative in tounamanets I didn’t win.. B: To have other golfers play 0.8% worse than I play.. or C. To break Jack Nicklaus major championship record? Stop moving the goalposts and stop crying in your Cheerios, he failed. Listen to Tiger's own word when asked.. Tiger, would you trade your 82 PGA Tour wins and 15 majors for 70-something wins and 19 majors? Tiger Woods: Yes. Woods would rank himself second for a simple reason. Tiger also said in 2012, 'I am four majors back,' he said. We can pull out the stats of the records that Dan Marino still holds, guess what... see how far that gets you in the GOAT debate with Brady.
Tiger (and not even Jack) can not be considered the best ever golfer... We all know that in sport it is easier to win at home than winning away from home. Jack and Tiger only won 3 Majors each away from home. I would even say it's debatable if Tom Watson, even if he didn't get the grand slam, isn't maybe the best ever American golfer because he won 5 Majors away from home. But in my opinion Gary Player is the best ever golfer. He won all 9 of his Major Titles away from home. And he also won the South African Open (the 2nd oldest Open in golf after British Open) a record 13 times!! Player won tournaments in 27 consecutive years, and 163 tournaments total worldwide (Jack 117 wins in total and Tiger 110 wins in total)...compare Tiger's numbers (and Jack's) against that...numbers don't lie!
NOTE: We recorded this prior to his accident in February. We wish Tiger a fast and full recovery.
Its funny how people seriously try to debate this.
The only argument I ever hear in favor of Jack is 18 majors. How many other areas and records does Tiger obliterate Jack in? lol
Nobody is taking Bill Russell over Jordan just because Bill Russell has more rings.
Bill russell was part of a team with many all stars; he was a great player. Jack played against the field with no help.
That said, Tiger's doctor was busted for bringing PEDs into the US from Canada.
The Alabama quip is priceless
Literally the only argument Jack has over tiger are only 3 more majors and more 2nd places. and thats largely because he played in almost double the tournaments. literally every other possible metric, stat, accolade, etc Tiger has him and almost everyone else ever BEAT.
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Like everything in our world! Everyone put on a blindfold and there is, and can be only one answer! Tiger Woods is The GOAT!
ESPN put this rest. Google Nicklaus wins 'greatest player of all time' debate over Tiger, hands down. Source ESPN. In 50 years, people will see Nicklaus 18 Majors Woods 15. If a golfer ever wins 11 majors are they going to be asking, will the field play 0.8% worse or will he be the man to break Jack's major championship records? These will not be asterisks in the record books.
If Tiger Played the competition Jack played he would have won every one he entered.
Jack played against Casper, Palmer, Player, Trevino, Watson all in the hall of fame. Tiger played against Phil.
@@frustratedgolfer7988 You have it backward. The reason those people have recognizable names is not because they were tougher competition, it's because the rest of their competition was dog sh. It's easier to distinguish oneself in a weak field, which is exactly what the people you named did. The stats don't lie, Tiger had tougher competition AND better stats regardless.
@@frustratedgolfer7988dude get out of here. Not only was the avg tour player much better when tiger played, he played against some big competitors as well. Phil, Ernie, Vejay, retief, Padraig, Davis love, I could keep going on and on. Jack play against a handful of guys and the rest were just tour players part time. Some of them literally had other jobs and golfed when they could. To compare the 2 eras is laughable. Nobody with half a brain who has watched tiger woods actually golf and dominate and change an entire sport thinks Jack is even close to being the GOAT. 2000 tiger woods makes Jack quit golf forever. Jack can have the major record but we all know tiger woods is the best person to ever play this game.
What a stupid thought.
@@aftermath4096Well said. Remarkable how many people who fail to understand this logic in the TW vs JN debate
After the shot around the tree on the green ! It was over !
He had a lot of the best shots ever
Scottie will be in this conversation now
Let's put on our blinders and cheer for Tiger as the greatest......
Put simply he is Golf ❤🏌♂️
What’s Jack’s stats re cumulative score at majors? No real comparisons with Jack for some of these metrics.
did you misspell McIlroy on purpose? It seemed on purpose lol
So given some time, Tiger will have as many major wins and seconds?
Tiger has that haki. Lowers everyone’s stats by 0.8
Great video and an awesome breakdown.
BUT...
Grammar aside, you still lost me at the first sentence: "...There might not be anyone more GOAT'ier than Tiger Woods."
FTFY: Wayne Gretzky
Hate to bust your chops, but JACK IS THE GOAT!!
@@coophandluke3697 No he isn't
@@notoriouseagle1074 then please explain why??????
Twice as many points as everyone else except like 15 guys
Take away his goals (most ever BTW) and he still has the most points
He got bernie nichols to score 70+
Jordan > Gretzky
Your comment about Alabama 🤦🏻♂️
Hmmm…Nicklaus admitted Tiger was the best ever. 😂
Just as Tiger admitted Jack was the best ever.
@@RK831 The reciprocity is the tell tale sign. 👍
I like like Nicklaus but after seen the states objectively tiger is the goat. Just like Magic Johnson was a great basketball player, but he not Michael Jordan
Jack won 20% of every event played over 19 consecutive tears. Tiger 25% over 14. Jack finished second 19 times in majors and won 18. Tiger had the best ten year run in history, Jack had the best entire career in history.
@@frustratedgolfer7988 that's not true, Jack's win rate is much lower than that. In fact, the second best win rate on tour is Ben Hogan. Jack is not even third either.
well TW certainly has had a legion of millions of of fans worldwide for many years that would agree that such stats make him the g.o.a.t. and may even believe that when he joins the seniors tour he may yet equal JN major record
I bet you're right! All those tiger disciples out there probably don't understand that senior tour "majors" don't count!
@@danbergthold3481 nice reply!! JACK!!!!!!!
Alex Caruso?? 👀
Can you cover F1 please
We’re not super familiar with F1 but we’re open to anything. Any specific videos you’re looking for?
Ahh Alex Caruso, nice touch 😂
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What about the 1000’s of great golfers through history that couldn’t afford to go on tour & had to give up to go to work for a living.
What about them?
Like, sure, if you can point to the specific golfer who couldn’t afford to go on tour that actually could have had a better career than Tiger, and provide evidence to back it up, then we can talk. But Tiger has dominated at every level of play, so the odds that there is someone who COULD have been better but didn’t make it is, well, pretty low. Even then, until you can provide the example, it’s a hypothetical that has no bearing on the GOAT debate.
It’s Jack and it’s not that close. Tiger Woods had the greatest run of any golfer who’s ever picked up a club, but Jack Nicklaus put together a career that, from start to finish, was unparalleled.
That’s not an indictment of Tiger. The only leaderboard that matters is the one on the 72nd hole. It just says that Tiger’s peers never put pressure on him on a Sunday and he never put pressure on them. He dominated in an era of chokers. Jack dominated in an era of legends. Look at Jacks Top 3 finishes and its not close at all not to mention More majors. Tiger will never pass him.
Roger that
Jack played against minor league players.
Sorry ! Deal with it !
So in the future we can come across a golfer who will have won, say, five majors that qualifies or disregards performance in the majors and yet we can declare him the GOAT even over Tiger or Jack? For example, if a golfer wins thirty FedEx Cups in a row, can you declare him the GOAT even if he won five majors?
There is only one stat that matters and this stat clearly defines Jack as the GOAT. (18 majors)
I’d take tigers 82 tour wins and 15 majors over jacks 73 and 18 majors anyday
@@maxpower6706 hmmm. Me personally I think they are equals on top on pluses and minuses. But I suspect if Woods was given the option on either he'd take 73 & 18.
@@marknorris1381
Given the option I think Jack would take winning FOUR MAJORS IN A ROW and 82 PGA TOUR WINS over 18 Majors against weaker competition than Tiger and 73 PGA Tour wins ..
@@brenjbradshaw
Given the option I think Jack would take winning FOUR MAJORS IN A ROW and 82 PGA TOUR WINS over 18 Majors against weaker competition than Tiger and 73 PGA Tour wins ..
We can assume u forgot about Jack Nicklaus
Sure
Of course respectfully so!
He didnt. Jack's stats dont come close to Tiger's. Either does his competetion, fitness, training, and health regime like the guys Tiger played against. They all were playing to beat Tiger. But no one could.
wtf does alabama have anything to do with this....nice try at a bad joke
Enough with the GOAT BS lmao... Jack Nicklaus played against much better competition, CLUTCH ones. Gary Player 9 Majors, Watson 8, Palmer 7, Travino 6, Ballesteros 5, Floys 4, and others. They were hungry and got paid little finishing 2nd, 3rd, etc... Today players become millionaires finishing top 10 in a few events lol...
Um... ok. 🤣
Wrong...
@@brenjbradshaw I explained my view, explain yours lmao...
incorrect
@@167kinggam Explain lol...
Gary Player won 160 tournaments. Jack Nicklaus won 18 majors and finished 2nd in 19 majors. No way is Tiger the GOAT, not even close.
You have to understand the competition and impact. Tiger woods made the game to what it is today. He brought the crowd in, and also tiger had way more competition then both of those players. Jack played in a era with plastic balls and wooden clubs that you really could never spin or adjust
The competition wasnt even close. 60 players could win when Tiger played. Only about a dozen had a chnace to win when Jack played
@@omgDavidGlasperexactly. Jack literally played against guys who had other jobs in addition to being golfers.
Lol "not even close" you're clueless
It's Jack, and Tigers competition when he was at his peak was weak, all those guys were old and past their prime.
Tiger Tiger Tiger Blah Blah Blah............Jack has 18 majors and 19 second place finishes in majors!! All while making sure that his family came first!!
Adjusted this percentage that, more blah blah blah..... It's called word salad!! Tiger owns all kinds of numbers and percentages except for one thing....... majors and second-place finishes in majors so just stop!!!!
Tiger's cumulative scores obliterated Jack's in the Majors! Tiger shot a collective score of 193 UNDER PAR while Jack shot 97 UNDER PAR in the 18 Majors that he won!
The ONLY reason that Tiger has not exceeded twenty plus Majors have been injuries and surgeries that kept him from playing. And to trail bY only THREE is amazing.
Runner up finishes are not wins, but LOSSES! You fans of Jack's find ways to pad his stats with meaningless nonsense. Tiger mopped the floor with him and all the rest...
@@brenjbradshaw excuses excuses........ You can go on forever the score is 18 to 15 and 19 to 6. If a person or a team wins by one point or a thousand points they're still crowned champion and there's still a loser. Sorry tiger second place finisher forever! Bridesmaid runner-up!
@@jonhenke1504 you forget overall wins at 82 tying Sam Snead, Golf is nothing like a team sport so stop comparing them, each match is on a different playing field and it's a free for all, majors are huge but so is overall wins, Sam Snead is an all time great because of his 82 wins not 6 majors.
Jack is still the goat, but tiger is like mike tyson, the best innthier prime.
How can anyone see their side by stats and believe that?
In my opinion, Jack is and will always be the GOAT. He also conducted himself as the ultimate professional on and off the course. Remember Jack used a ball that was sub par to his competitors. In my book Tiger is not in the top 10 list.
Jack used the same ball everyone else at the time was using. What are you talking about?
All of these reasons never qualified anyone for the GOAT status, they were invented in a post Wood's failed to catch Nicklaus world. Reason 1 = 0. Sam Snead was never called the GOAT with 82 wins, for it was Jacks 18. 2. Reason #5, belongs to Jack, do the research. In 1988 they started to calculate adjusted scoring average, something irrelevant to what made Nicklaus that GOAT. Reason 3, How long he was ranked #1, MEANS = 0. Luke Donald was ranked #1 for over a year and never won a major, and there are golfers than won a major, like Ye Yang, that were never ranked in the top 20. Was never a benchmark, reason or consideration for what ranks as the GOAT. Reason 2. Players play 0.8 % worse when he played? Since when was that a benchmark for qualifying for the GOAT? Why did you skip these stats? Oh, they still belong to Jack.. anyone can cherry pick out things .. Nicklaus holds the record for most runner-up finishes in majors with 19… Nicklaus holds the record for most top-five finishes in major championships with 56.,,,, Nicklaus holds the record for most top-10 finishes in major championships with 73…. Nicklaus finished in the top-10 in his final three professional major championships as an amateur… Nicklaus holds the record for most top-10 finishes at Augusta with 22, as well as cuts made, with 37. He also holds the record for wins with six, and runner-up finishes with four…. For his career, Nicklaus has 68 finishes of seventh or better at majors…. From the 1970 Open Championship to the 1978 Open Championship, Nicklaus finished outside the top 10 just twice in majors…. Google Tiger Woods Won't Pass Jack Nicklaus: How His Inevitable Failure Unfolds from 2010, if those 5 reasons were relevant, why are there a ton of articles pre 2018 calling Wood's career an Inevitable Failure? When Jack was Labeled the GOAT was it for those 5 reasons? These ALTERNATE reasons are only being said and found in a POST Woods will not break Nicklaus world. Question for up & coming 18 year old golfer, What is your career goal? Will his answer be A: To be the most competative in tounamanets I didn’t win.. B: To have other golfers play 0.8% worse than I play.. or C. To break Jack Nicklaus major championship record? Stop moving the goalposts and stop crying in your Cheerios, he failed. Listen to Tiger's own word when asked.. Tiger, would you trade your 82 PGA Tour wins and 15 majors for 70-something wins and 19 majors? Tiger Woods: Yes. Woods would rank himself second for a simple reason.
Tiger also said in 2012, 'I am four majors back,' he said. We can pull out the stats of the records that Dan Marino still holds, guess what... see how far that gets you in the GOAT debate with Brady.
Couldn't have said it better!!! WELL DONE!
I guess Jack's 18 majors and 19 second place finishes mean nothing .. jack played against 23 hall of farmers, tiger 6.. the GOAT IS JACK!!!!!!
And that all you are looking you can keep that stat cause they didn’t let some people play also !
@@louiswilliams4657 who the fuck are referring to?? Charlie Sifford??
@@louiswilliams4657 I really don't think you know much about golf, you must be a malinial
I have live long enough to see both so I am real good with it !
@@coophandluke3697 TIGER is Still the GOAT !
Tiger (and not even Jack) can not be considered the best ever golfer...
We all know that in sport it is easier to win at home than winning away from home. Jack and Tiger only won 3 Majors each away from home. I would even say it's debatable if Tom Watson, even if he didn't get the grand slam, isn't maybe the best ever American golfer because he won 5 Majors away from home.
But in my opinion Gary Player is the best ever golfer. He won all 9 of his Major Titles away from home. And he also won the South African Open (the 2nd oldest Open in golf after British Open) a record 13 times!!
Player won tournaments in 27 consecutive years, and 163 tournaments total worldwide (Jack 117 wins in total and Tiger 110 wins in total)...compare Tiger's numbers (and Jack's) against that...numbers don't lie!
Martina Navratilova is the GOAT of all GOATS.
It isn’t even close!
She is the greatest athlete in the history of sports.
Woods is not the GOAT. Nicklaus is. Period.