Engineering Technician or Engineer - Which Is Better For You in 2020?
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- Should you get an engineering degree or become an engineering technician? I enlist the help of the 1% Engineer to help answer this viewer's question!
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Happy new year everyone! It's been a while since I've posted but I have great reasons! First of all, I was on my honey moon for several weeks, returning around December. Then the holiday season hit! That said, I've got plenty of videos already queued up so please stay tuned for them.
I hope you all had a wonderful holiday season and i wish you a great year for 2018 :)
Okay, to the topic at hand. I got this question from a fellow viewer and he's asking if he should invest more time into getting an engineering degree or if he should just get his engineering technician diploma allowing him to get into the work place sooner.
Well, I'm not an engineer. No surprise! So I enlisted the help of a fellow CZcams, Jake Voorhies. His channel is the 1% Engineer and I'd recommend that anyone trying to get into engineering to check out his channel and subscribe.
So in this video, I turn it to Jake for his insight and experience!. Hope you all enjoy it!
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Since this guy seems to be confused… engineer simply means you know how to “theoretically build the button”… technician means that you can and actually know how the button works and can fix the button. Craftsman means… you don’t care what the button is… but you can actually build the button to do what it’s suppose to do. Operator means that you know how to push the button. Pay simply comes down to expertise, region and industry.
I disagree with some of the statements about Engineering Technicians. You can do pretty well with a 2-year degree. Its an uphill battle, sure, and its true you have to be okay with doing 'grunt work'. But at the same time you can earn up to six figs and be respected at your profession. The keys are to have real skills that get results. Also communication is huge. I get called "wizard" and things like that on the regular by Execs -- a great Technician is like the heart of the team -- its a good feeling.
Starts at about 1:40
Nice trick
Thanks a lot
Alright, I have the answers. I have been an electronics technician, a quality assurance technician, an electronics engineering technician, in the military, in manufacturing, and in engineering departments. I have worked with tons of engineers.
Role
Engineer: designs things, develops the schematics, looks for better-performing parts, nails down the design, and goes to meetings in a professional setting to bring the product to life.
A more elaborate college-educated, not so much of a blue-collar doer. Typically is interested at a deeper level of application of advanced subject material and topics. Will definitely be helping technicians understand the finer details of the subject material. Will be the manager over the tech any day. Will be giving techs direction on how they are going to do things and what needs to be done. Typically uses DESIGN software at some point. May be involved in publishing new subject material. May also scrape by, performing "intern"esque tasks lazy bums getting pa$$$id.
Figuring out the "how".
Technician: will build, test, or perform diagnostics on the product itself, by the boatload. Not as much pressure or involvement with the bottom line or results. If you are OK with repetitive tasks, may work inside or outside depending on the career field, then the technician role is for you. Also, the technician will NEVER make the money after 10 years of experience that an ENGINEER will. Typically is NOT involved with design or higher-level decision making. Can still be a leader and supervisor.
Do the "what".
BOTH: Interested in how things work. Will be able to talk about the technologies in conversation.
Education
Technician- any degree that has "technology" at the end of it. On-the-Job (OJT) training and 2-year tech schools + experience get Jobs. Can still become an engineer if things are clicking for the right person. Big companies these days are paying or reimbursing college; it's in their best interest to retain talent don't be scared of them (fearmongering supervisors).
Engineer - A more elaborate 4 year and Master/Ph.D. college-educated, not so much of a blue-collar doer. Typically is interested at a deeper level of application of advanced subject material and topics.
Salary
The Engineer makes ~1.75x the tech at every year of experience.
Year 1 - Tech ~$37,000 Engineer ~$64,750
Year 10 Tech ~$60,000 Engineer ~$105,000
The technician will NEVER make the money after 10 years of experience that an ENGINEER will.
A tech may make over $75,000 in some career fields, but it is advised to follow the industry or specific work you are drawn to.
THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE BUT A ROUGH GUIDELINE, UNDERSTAND THE POINT HERE. Results may vary. Management will make more $$$, providing a greater impact on the organization with their decisions.
****THE MOST IMPORTANT PART*****
The Technician is not considered a "professional" role. You may perform your duties professionally and to the best of your ability but the Engineer is the only one of the two considered a "professional" position. The Technician is THE HELP. So, if you want to help out and do some hands-on, easy come easy go work, dig in. If you are serious and want to get into designing and creating over the long haul using sophisticated software and working with other professionals people plotting, planning, and scheming how to build the next iPhone, Formula 1 car, space Shuttle, Mega Bridge, or the next cutting edge ANYTHING: ENGINEER.
Hope this helps.
I appreciate this comment but the numbers are a bit off. As an instrumentation & electrical tech I was making 52 base, 60 after OT🧐🧐 with a 2 year degree in a low paying state
Year 1
Currently re enrolling for my 4 year abet EET
Fantastic response, thank you
@@gregroche7323 I was doing research on engineering technician jobs near me and saw it range from 40's to high50's low-mid 60's. Also some might pay even higher but they'd want more years of experience and not a new technician.
I have met plenty of engineering technicians that are in leadership positions, so far up as business team leaders of a big plant. I have also met plenty of AAS engineer technician holders that have been promoted to full engineering
this gives me enthusiasm im going for degree in engineer technician
@@REEMIKS I disagree with some of this video. Depends on the strengths that you have as a technician. I'm quite good with PLCs and make more than some of our engineers due to overtime.
This video is misleading and seems to be void of any real world experience. The degree is cool but makes no difference in practice. Can you do the job or not is the reality of most places. Also education is only a small portion of the equation. Interpersonal skills, experience, and technical expertise mean quite a bit more.
So have I…… once you have work history alongside that technician. You’d be fine. There’s a E Tech at my job now. He’s in a full leadership role. He’s one of the big bosses. I talk to him all the time, questioning him on things. He’s been here 11 years now .
I may want to get promoted to the position then so that I can do the grunt work while I am young, and get paid more when I am older.
No offense but jake gives me Negative vibes he seems to have the type of character of a person that looks down on people
I got my electrical engineering degree back in the 70's. I first got a two year degree. First, because it was cheaper. Second, if I couldn't finish an engineering degree I had that to fall back on. It worked out great. I worked my way through college and when I started the university there was a technician position open at the research lab. I was a perfect fit with my technician degree beating out many students with better grades. Later in life I worked for GE many year. It helped me because I had real world experience.
Thanks for sharing!
I'm doing this now!
College degrees should be done away with. There give a superficial measure on intelligence, and it gives the illusion of being qualified.
100% agree. I have a friend who had two years of college, and had lots of experience in programming that had to fix a university graduates work. The university graduate over complicated everything to the point the computer program was not workable on the platform they wanted to put it on. The university student did not account for the programs that were already in place on the platform and was just writing everything and he did it the most complicated way too.
It is obvious the university knew how to write programs and complex ones, but he did not know the platform or know that simplified is better.
For example you can add one program that does the math, instead of writing it a over a thousand times, then go with the the one program. If you can write a formula in a few steps and is in the write format in the end, then do not add more steps. The more steps you add the more harder your making for yourself and the program.
In sort, he learned how to program but he still didn’t learn how to apply it properly in the real world.
@@tiffanyplacencia2296 University is primarily a bunch of theories and someone else's opinions. You will not learn too much about any field of study, he will just learn how to regurgitate what someone else tell you taught you.
Outside of the basics, they're proper way to think about computer science, which universities typically don't teach, you have to learn hands on.
Certifications gave you a better foundation than college degrees, and they are more focused on real World experience. They're not perfect, but you will get a better foundation
@@KevZen2000 Yeah... however University Graduates sometimes can be too argent to be able to get the right hands on experience to succeed, because they went to a top University.
I wonder if and when there will be a time where Universities are not so highly rated, because they will be less reliable to gain the right set of skills... or they just may require a masters degree before you can do anything.
They should exist for some professions but they shouldn't try to cram too much course material into it to the point of making them brutally competitive. Degree is only the beginning of lifelong learning and universities should never lose sight of this fact.
Sure you'd like someone from the streetz to do surgery on your brain
Lol so his whole point is having a BS in Electrical engineering makes him feel better. When I was doing Fluid power engineering, many of the technicians made the same money has regular engineers, but simply were more hands on. Experience counts more than education often times, has schools mostly teach theory.
Technicians don't make the kind of money engineers make. It's totally different...
@@mindhunter8772 It depends on the branch of engineering and what you are doing. I agree with you in general, but I noticed years ago when I was taking Fluid power classes that there was a shortage of them. So often technicians started out above 50 or 60,000 a year that was like 7 year ago.
@@mindhunter8772 In the government sector it's surprisingly close and can exceed engineer pay. But the engineers are salaried and expected to do 40 hours and spend more time in the office working out issues and legally representing the agency and all of the paperwork that goes with it. Technicians are subject to overtime pay (double on Sundays and triple on holidays). With a big shortage of technicians, a lot of overtime seems pretty much universal in a lot of places. Most of the guys I work with have zero interest in being a P.E., there's also much greater saturation of P.E.s than qualified, certified technicians where I'm at. In some cases, P.E.s are acting as technicians without being engineer of record. Union benefits, state pension, it's not a bad gig. It is hard work and long days but also a lot of fun and pride when the project finally opens. Also FAR less professional liability if and when things go wrong.
@@seanhiatt6736 Yes, if you are mid-career it's 70k+ all day long and six figures is reachable with OT.
Degrees get you in the door. Practically they don't mean much, but it's a bullshit requirement you have to go through.
Professional experience, skills, amplitude, drive, passion, and how well you keep up with what's necessary matter.
amplitude?
@@thedillestpickle intuition
Hey man, thank you for the video. I only have the 2-year technology degree, and was an avionics technician in the army. I was an engineering technician for 17 years and truly loved it. I don't really regret not getting the full engineering degree to some extent, though I do have some regret. I am currently disabled due to a seizure disorder. If the seizures go away, I'm planning to go back into the technical fields, hopefully as an engineering technician again. Prior to an interview for an engineering tech job, what would you recommend that I study?
What kind of engineering technician were you?
Which is best??
I’m sure you’re not trashing the technician side, but! This video seems very biased towards becoming an engineer VS an engineering technician.
Some people are better at hands on than working with CAD software and attending meetings.
Perhaps you can delve a little further into the technician side of things. I have a few friends that were taken on as a “Junior Engineering Technician” with financial backing from the company to pursue your engineering degree.
Christiano Delgado do you think a degree in electrical engineering technology would be. A good move? It’s a 2 year degree. And I’m currently working as a maintenance technician.
Christiano Delgado what route did you take? You seem to be doing good for yourself. I feel like my plan is good. But I just want outside opinions. My current job as a maintenance technician offers some really good experience. Electrical troubleshooting, working with electric motors, and many types of machines in the manufacturing environment. If I go for this two year degree I can also be certified as a Journeyman electrician. I feel it will be a good bump up on my resume along with the experience I’m currently gaining.
Christiano Delgado tell him bro
@Christiano Delgado would you tell us what state?
@@Thomas-fc6gf how is it so far. i just started school last month going in for a similar degree.
Okay, but can you do BS is Mechanical Engineering Technology vs BS in Mechanical Engineering. I’m in MET, but have ME students in my classes, there doesn’t seem to be much of a difference in course work except Technologist are looked down on.
What about doing both? Has anyone here ever finished their Associates at a two year school, got a job as an engineering tech somewhere while they finished up at a four year school? This is the route I'd like to take, only because I hate my current job but it allows me to take classes full time. Plus the state I live in (NM), college is free technically.
What are your thoughts on a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering technology?
Here is my question: I have the option of getting a "BAS Engineering Technology" Degree at a Polytechnic 2 year college (trade school). While this is technically a 4 year engineering degree, is it better to get a degree from a University?
Or is a 4 year "Engineering Technology" degree worth getting?
I know about Civil. In that field some employers prefer civil engineering degree over technology degree but in reality, They both do the same job. I'm talking about getting a bachelor's degree in civil engineering technology
With military experience, you can now use that in lieu of a degree if your knowledge is proven. This goes for government jobs especially.
I think this is a great perspective from Jake. I follow him, too, and he's got great information. I like his insight on the versatility of an engineering degree. That's a good point. But I also think technicians are extremely valuable when it comes to helping engineers optimize designs from a maintenance perspective. Depending on the industry, they won't just be working on a computer, they'll be hands-on, fixing things up, doing maintenance, troubleshooting, and the knowledge they gain from that alone can be used by engineers towards better designs (I've seen electricians with 40 years on the field shaking their heads from side to side when they looked at some drawings developed by young electrical engineers. The difference between wisdom and knowledge).
What is fresher sallary for civil engineer technician and civil engineer ???? And how much sallary will increase after getting experience in both ??????
Can you please! Do a comparison between Electrical Engineering technology B.S vs Electrical Engineer B.S degrees
Is there an engineering discipline that would be better to OR NOT to do online? Is engineering not a good thing to do online?
I'm more into engineering both solid state and vacuum tube amplifier technology. Is it worth the schooling for a 50 year old male with no kids or girlfriend or wife in my area (Charleston, WV) as I'm interested guitar amp engineering and understanding the industry. I'm struggling with the basics of guitar science and amplifier engineering. I watch videos and come out with more questions than answers. Ugh.
As an engineering tech, do company’s often pay/ tuition reimbursement for you to get your B.S. part time between your job? Like 1 or 2 classes per semester as you work as a tech?
Yes, it’s a common benefit companies offer
It is not uncommon
My friends, PLEASE HELP! I’m stuck between going for computer engineering technology at university, or computer engineering at same university but different branch location. Thank you!
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Fucking depressing.. and I already have a 4 yr degree. Wish I would have become a tech and started working years ago.
It’s so annoying that this dude is trying to discourage people from going into these positions
His whole reason to not go for tech is status respect and money kind of shallow
If you want money go into business
Is ECPI University an accredited degree for Mechanical Engineering especially for taking exams for the FE and PE?
Hello sir, what does a 'Special Grade' technician means or rank?
Thanks in advance.
But do they get promoted if I was a mechanical engineering technician
I think that if you're exceptional, the rules will be bent for you (of course, this is good or bad depending on how you look at it). I saw this when I was working with a "Marine Engineer" once a couple of years ago. He never got his engineering degree, but in order for the company to pay him more, his title had to be changed to Marine Engineering Consultant or something like that. Technically, he never got his engineering degree (that's what he told us), so the company went the extra mile just to keep him.
you do not need to go to school to become an engineering tech, but you do need experience and you can move up to be an engineer if you work hard and continue to develop..
Don't know where you're from but to become a tech in Australia it's a 4 year apprenticeship which involves about a year of school.
@@JackMartin100 which apprenticeship is this?
@@CHASA Any apprenticeship in Australia. My Trade is Mechanical Fitting. For instance a small part of what we do is rebuilding pumps as well as the construction, commissioning, install, and maintenance of hydraulic systems. This defiantly requires some level of education. To minimise plant down time and accurately fault find is not something you just walk into. It is often why the Techs here are often paid more than the engineers, especially techs on site/in the field. Respect goes both ways though, there is a lot of theory learning behind engineering which the engineers study hard for, however, give them a practical situation and they often fall the same way we do when it comes to a theoretical problem.
@@JackMartin100 I am from the US specifically California. Here the work force is open to you as long as you have experience and for the most part if they like you they will teach you. A degree here is no longer a necessity its for higher realm jobs like doctors, surgeons, etc.
The problem is having a 4 year degree and still not getting call backs from job applications. Nothing is guaranteed.
If that’s the case, then your resume and job application approach is the area to focus in on for sure !
I watched this with my 3d glasses on and you kept poking me in the eye
Oh man good thing the glasses were on to protect your eyeballs ;)
Haha good point. Can i ask you for some guidance?
@@michaelstone2379 yes of course! i'll try my best to answer it here, on a video or you may want a faster answer - so one can reach me with my paid services too for fast turn around help :) plenty of options, no pressure which one you go with
I work for a small machinist company. I want to be able ti build one of these cnc's from scratch. Would i need to look for some schooling in mechanical, electrical and industrial engineering? Or are there other options i need to be looking at
I want to better understand the hydraulics, electrical working and everything else needed. There is a school nearby that offers a 2 year industrial technician corse. Would that by up my alley? Or do i need something more advanced?
I stuck in between manufacturing/ industrial engineering and chemical engineering. I simply cannot choose one.
I like the types of job chemical engineering offers & I also believe that chemical engineering gives you more opportunities, but I’m still not sure! Besides I’m I bit concerned about my math skills for chemE!!!
Manufacturing/ industrial sounds existing but some how I think optimizing the production process all the time could be boring if that’s what IE is al about.
I really need some advice 🙏🏻
2 years later what did you end up doing?
chem E is actually made for manufacturing industrial because chem E focuses on improving processes , efficiancy, quality, product, manufacturing, lean, and so forth that is all applied in that field. I though chem e was like chemistry but it is NOT
Is it correct to assume that engineering technicians are more hands-on while engineers are more mathematical?
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But Engineering Technicians can also be mathematical
Engineers do not learn mathematics. They do not use maths, they only know how to compute.
from what I understand, technicians are more hands-on, and engineers are usually more of the planners, and bosses of the technicians.
engineers are theories,technicians are handson,technologists are the managers/bosses..
Which is best to establish a technology company
Definitely an engineering degree. There's a lot of things that you will know that you wouldn't know with only the two-year degree. I've only got the two-year degree and was an engineering technician for quite some time and really loved it, though I wouldn't have felt comfortable establishing a technology company with my level of knowledge. Hope this helps.
6 years later this has changed
what is mechanic and mechanical engineering
This guy for the most part is telling the truth. That 4 year degree means a lot. Having said that, I work for an electronics manufacturer as an engineering technician I have been there for 3 years. In one more year I’ll be eligible to be an “Engineer” in the company. I currently make more per year than every engineer in my group because I get paid overtime. They put in more hours than I do. I work 45-50 hours per week so nothing insane and bring home more money. The last technician that got asked to move up turned it down because it would be a pay cut for him. I acknowledge that if he took the pay cut, then he could potentially earn more some day.
tstandri did you need some kind of certificate to be a technician
@@marcusj1167 to be a technician you need an associate degree which is 2 year degree
I mean this pretty accurate especially if your doing government contract work. I have seen EET making 150 k a year (before overtime) where as engineer supervisors capping out at around 120 k. this is mostly because if you want a system to not crap out for something mission critical it really comes down to a good tech. an EET with 10 years experience will get very enticing job offers any aerospace or space jobs. I mean I can respect Jake but man he described what a dead end EET job is and probably didn't look any farther than entery level EET with Indeed as lone data.
Sidney Smith I’m considering pursuing a degree in electrical engineering technology. I do not want to be in an office setting or attend meetings. But rather to be as hands on as possible.
@@Thomas-fc6gf man this sounds like me lets go for it bro lol
You can make a difference with any job
Every job is important
Are there companies that hire engineering technologists right out of community college with no experience?
Not really…there might be, but it’s more position related than company related. If you have a target list of companies, then start there and see what posts they have open and target their recruiters from a networking standpoint.
What if I become an engineering technician and proved myself competent for Masters of Science in Electrical Engineering Degree? Which I am actually doing now!
I did thermodynamics in my first two years of engineering alongside Differential equations and higher level courses.
I was doing BSc (Psych.) and BEng (Electrical Engineering) concurrently. Once I finished my BSc (Psych) program, I applied to Med school and got in. Went there and COVID-19 hit. So, I did clinical Research Professional Certification to work on Clinical Trials and left med school.
However, I have an extensive background and I even have understanding of business concepts.
So, my question is ..... Should I become a certified engineering technologist while I go to graduate school for MSc (Electrical Engineering)? And find part time work and apply afterwards for EIT? Would my experience as an engineering technologist count towards my PEng?
I even received emails from associates through LinkedIn, asking about Network/Data Engineer positions being available for me to apply.
What are some good engineering careers though?
Great question. It would, to some extent, depend on where you want to work. Any ideas? I can then ask my network for you
Seriously, My Dream would be to work at Microsoft or Tesla.
@@dan4856 be careful tho, just because a company makes awesome products doesn’t mean it’s a great place to work at. I’ve heard people online who’ve worked at tesla say they work hard and for long hours too. So be careful and see jobs and see what might be right for you
@@simonhenthorn1851 this is very true
Join the IBEW become a Union Electrician. Make over 6 figures a yr as a Journey, You'll have access to some of the best health insurance, you'll get an annuity and pension.
Most guys don't know how to read or write. Living their best lives.
I wanted to but the contract is like for 5 years 😬, I don’t wanna trap myself
@@khalilbraswell7083
What state are you from?
@@Midnitedreary88 Georgia, Grayson
I thought that this would have been an interesting video, but alas, to me it was not worth the time as I am not living and working in America (neither North-, South- or the United States of America). It would have been nice if it started with here in the USA these are the options.
You're on an American platform how bout you shut up
This guy really doesn’t like technicians hahaha
Everything you said about being an Engineer is superficial, Narcissistic, and I would even go as far to say Racist. This entire industry needs to be destroyed. A piece of paper merits someone all that much more respect. Based on the income of being a suburban person who benefitted from growing up in a Green Zone. I hope the entire system comes down. Engineers are just Narcissists.
I can see this. I once heard a reputable technician say, "engineers are just suits who don't know how to repair."
Arghghg summary Associate vs Bachelor degree no relation to the title.
Hi sir, Am koshall 26yo,....I know lot of people messaging you for the same question that am also asking for.
*Done 10th CBSE in 2011.
*3years Government College Diploma in Mechanical Engineering from Indian State Technical board 2011-2014.
*Now at present working for a Steel Industry(India) as a Production Engineer since 4years.
""""""Please let me know about the gap of years that i am facing after completion of my diploma as it was completed in 2014. How can i apply for 2years Diploma Mechanical Technician in Industrial OR Heat Refrigeration and Air Conditioning. Also i don't have 12th, because I've done diploma after 10th. Would they allow, after all these 6years of my study gap."""""??
Please make a positive response dear.
Call the schools you are interested in, make sure it’s a tech or community college theses ones are more affordable, only these schools credits get transferred to 4 year colleges.
I am an Indian who’s living in America. I have had a lot of confusion before I enrolled in a tech college.
Hope this was helpful.
You will need to certify your indian degrees or evaluate them you should be fine without a high school diploma.
But again call the school you are interested in
Some of the things he is saying is true but some are kind of half truth. I know people that have a bachelors in business admin and they are working in DRS as a quality engineer, he got on the job training but his degree was not in engineering. Also were I use to work at which was contracted by the military they also were willing to do on the job training for process engineers as long as you had a bachelors which it did not need to be an engineering degree. And they were the ones that were putting on that "stamp" of finally approval on the design and such. I hear what he is saying but it was some what arrogant in his delivery in terms of detering someone from not getting a degree in engineering. Seems like he was a little hung up on that "prestige" that he feels from having his engineering degree which i dont descriminate against going for that whats so ever, by all means if you can then go for it if thats what you want for yourself. But for those who didnt understand you can still be an engineer with out that because ive seen it done within the industry time and time again if the company is willing to do on the job training. Good luck to you all in your future endevours.
Can someone please explain the 2+2 program?
seriously what the F was he talking about lol
Thanks for this!
That guy is very ignorant.he doesn't know what is studied in a eng diploma,here in my country it is done for 3yrs and there is little to no practicals in that program, almost all of it is just theory.they are good designers. don't seek advice from him he is just flexing his ignorance
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That guy moves his hands a lot...
that‘s what I would like to say
He must be Italian
No he thinks its an effective way of communication, shows confidence etc. but its not when you doing it wrong :D He looks like 10 years old girl trying to dance
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Engineer techs are grunts
Not me 😂 I'm a network engineering technician and a screwdriver, laptop w vpn and cell phone is my main tools
Most academia engineers are just spoiled idiots that don’t know how to apply science into something practical. They’ll dream up a bunch of nonsensical theories that waste time instead of practically implementing their own ideas themselves. In my opinion engineers should require equal hands on training.