A masterpiece of a monologue, it's hard to have a "by far" stand-out scene in a perfect anime, that's how good it was, the adoptive Mom with hardly any screen time the whole two seasons came in the end to wrap up this perfectly told story, with her raw thoughts not afraid to face the truth she just put every unsettled emotion to rest, we never knew we needed her point of view in all of this until we did, and the beauty is that even if they ended the story here it will be just fine.
It seems like a friendly and long-overdue visit to his adoptive mother, until you realize that the only one who loved Rei unconditionally in the Kouda household was the dog. He isn't ever moved to address Mrs. Kouda with any kind of affection, they're just non-hostile acquaintances, distant relatives at best, but when he says goodbye to the dog, he embraces the dog and begs him to be there for the next visit. This makes his found-family in the Kawamotos so important to him, and why he would move heaven and earth to comfort Hina.
To be honest, in real life i don’t even think even the dog would really care for him since he dedicated everything to the game. Doubt he was the type of kid to play fetch with a dog… or even play at all the way kids do.
@@Oyuki-Mayonesa Depends on the dog, depends on everything Rei did at his temporary home aside from shogi. Rei was helping out with chores like washing dishes, I'm sure he fed and walked the dog regularly.
He isn't begging the dog to be there for the next visit, he knows that the dog will die and he won't be there, which is why he's sad and hugs him one last time. I believe it's implied that Rei wont visit again.
All the amazing stuff shaft has made and this 8 minute vignette of mostly still images fucking kills me every time I watch it. This adaptation was so good.
When i first watched this scene it seemed like a whole movie... i had no words it's a masterpiece of storytelling in sangatsu and the fact this is just 8 mins really makes you realise the power of it
no no no. he can only show his true love to the dog because its the only one who wasnt affected by his presence in the house. everyone else he felt tremendous guilt. he cant even apologized if he wanted to because he knows its not his fault but nonetheless hes the reason the family is ruined.
@@zlee001he isn't the reason though, that family was doomed from the start. The father would always end up being disappointed in his children because he wanted shogi players, and Rei being adopted just made it happen quicker. It was always a broken home, and Rei was the straw that broke the camel's back, so everyone blamed it on him and never tried to accept him. The contrast is the Kawamoto family where he's also an outsider, but they accept him and so they're all bound even tighter as a family.
I love it honestly. I don't even mind if more anime make flashbacks in this kind of format. Some people might say "it's a lazy writing" when you put some narration voice, but it work for me.
IMO shogi was the father's way to try and show his love for his children, but because of his obsession with it he alienated them and they started rebelling because it only pulled him closer to Rei, treating him like the 'favorite son' because of his affinity with the game. He was selfish and never bothered to understand his kids' feelings, but he was also trying to reach out to them the best way he knew and eventually, he realized that it was doomed to fail.
The worst is really how he forced his daughter to stop playing. She was not a bad player by any means and could have easily become a women's professional or perhaps a normal pro. It was important to her too, both for her relationship with her father and also with Rei. Yet he forcefully made her drop out. It is clear that if not for Rei he likely would have continued supporting her. Rei knows this, which is why he feels especially guilty towards her and moved out to stop her from leaving so their family would have a chance to mend their relationships. Unfortunately the parents are emotionally absent idiots. Honestly, Kouda is the entire reason why his family is messed up. He is also the reason why Rei had such a toxic love/hate relationship with Kyouko and ultimately cut her off. I really hope the manga will revisit this plotline.
yeah i mean the father is not a good dad. responding "haha" to "making an effort is also a talent" ? he wasn't trying to understand them, he had his own childhood trauma which he didn't dealt with properly. "people who need other people to motivate them will eventually hit a brick wall" ok so help/motivate them to stand on their OWN two feet and also be supportive to them. that's not just shogi, that's how you raise kids. this one line depicts his problem perfectly (at least for me).
It's important to remember, there are no heroes or villains in this manga/anime. Kouda's love was conditional, yes, and this made him neglectful to the point of borderline abuse, it's as though he based his entire parenting philosophy on some of the really terrible parenting advice books published over here in the US, the ones that said babies and young children were not to be shown any more affection than a firm handshake. But if it weren't for Kouda, Rei would have been abused far worse at a distant relative's household, then sent to a facility for orphans until he turned 16-- to put it bluntly, he would have been discarded by his own extended family, doomed to forever be disadvantaged educationally, socially, and emotionally. You've seen them in the funeral flashback, their priorities were the patriarch's hospital and who would inherit it, they didn't give a damn that _a young boy had become an orphan._ Kouda ending his daughter's shogi career is also out of love, though his delivery left much to be desired. Remember what he said to her in that scene: "There are hundreds of professionals who are _better than Rei_ that you will go up against; if you can't hold a candle to Rei, there's no way you could [make a living as a shogi player]." Professional shogi is gender-segregated in Japan (which is ridiculous); Kouda wasn't talking about Souya or Shimada or Goto, he was talking about the women's professional league (which receives nowhere near the media coverage of the men's league, which is just one of the things about Japan that is absurdly bigoted). If she didn't stand a chance against a C-rank player, there's no way she could keep up and reach B rank, let alone A rank or title holder; she would be burning away her youth in exchange for sorrow, pain, and poverty. And while her pride would never accept it, Kyouko knew he was right. Kouda's idea that an inexperienced player shouldn't be advised stems from the concept that a shogi player regularly has to exceed his own limits, Rei and other players mention this in inner monologue. Rei is able to force his way to better and better games because _he quite literally has nothing left to lose._ By contrast, Ayumu is in a position where he doesn't have to see the need to spend all-nighters studying game logs and endgame puzzles. Again, terrible approach to parenting, but in a way it would be crueler to allow Ayumu to have a false sense of his own skill, only for a competitive professional to crush him. And the worst part is, it's unlikely that Kouda's kids would ever see him as a father again, even if Kouda realized the error of his ways and tried to make amends-- Kouda's idea of discipline was also borderline abuse and neglect. Umino's message here is that more often than we think, families can be fraught with egos, power plays, resentments, disappointment, abuse, and trauma, and because every family member thinks they're not wrong, all this horrible stuff can drag on for decades and sometimes it's better to just walk away and start fresh.
their father comes from a cruel world of reality.... he was aware of harsh reality of shougi world.... His kids are weak, they were not willing to spend that much of hardwork to shougi. On the other hand, Rei was desperate....his life was depending on it. Can you compete someone like him... instead of work harder than Rei, kids just choosed complain and escape from that reality. Their father also understood this, and decided to gave up on them regarding to pro player. Kids didnt had the necessary dedication/will power to stay alive in professional shougi world. Their father did a favor for them, but way of doing this choice wounded kids severely. In the end everyone had misery of their share... Their mother explained the situation flawlessly in this outstanding monolouge... In last scene I always thought that, Rei said his goodbye to his childhood when he hugs the tarou. He was quite unfortunate child with no fault at all....
Siempre me a gustado el trabajo de esta autora. Me enamoro con Honey and Clover y ahora de Sangatsu Lion; sus historias son muy complejas, calidas, tristes, pero de alguna manera te llenan el corazon.
Que este sea el inicio de episodio final de la serie (tristemente cada año que pasa pierdo la fe en que tenga una tercera temporada) hace un trabajo estupendo para hacer un contraste del enorme crecimiento de Rei. Mostrado y expuesto desde un punto de vista que jamás habíamos escuchado antes, el cual es la madre de los Kouda, una persona que no supo como actuar ante una situación tan bizarra, que años después, y con arrepentimiento en el corazon al no haberle dado un lugar seguro al pobre niño que había perdido toda su familia, lo ve y reconoce el enorme viaje que ha tenido Rei, entre tanto sufrimiento y dolor ver a este joven con una sonrisa genuina y cálida le dio una alivio enorme, y a nosotros como espectador nos da la oportunidad de reflexionar en el progreso de Rei durante las dos temporada sin necesidad de recaer en lo repetitivo, sin duda una masterclass de chica umino y del studio shaft.
I noticed that the only portion that adoptive mom didn't narrate over was between Tarou and Kiriyama. Which to me seems more like Tarou was the only one Kiriyama could ever really talk to without fear.
I find that this is more "forgiving" than it is "moving on". In my opinion he shows that he forgave them by bothering to check in on them at all. Moving on would be to give the family a place in your past through therapy, but refusing to engage with them in your daily life. One of the thing that bothered me about Rei's family is that no one in that house apologised to him. Apologised for taking him in with the promise of family and then tossing him out when they realised having him there made their children unhappy (for which the dad was at fault, not Rei). They all interact with him knowing that they wronged him, but no one in that family had the balls to say "sorry" to him. @@MMuraseofSandvich
A masterpiece of a monologue, it's hard to have a "by far" stand-out scene in a perfect anime, that's how good it was, the adoptive Mom with hardly any screen time the whole two seasons came in the end to wrap up this perfectly told story, with her raw thoughts not afraid to face the truth she just put every unsettled emotion to rest, we never knew we needed her point of view in all of this until we did, and the beauty is that even if they ended the story here it will be just fine.
Exactly my thoughts! Aah, I love this show! One of my favorites of all time and one that I watched at the right time in my life.
It seems like a friendly and long-overdue visit to his adoptive mother, until you realize that the only one who loved Rei unconditionally in the Kouda household was the dog. He isn't ever moved to address Mrs. Kouda with any kind of affection, they're just non-hostile acquaintances, distant relatives at best, but when he says goodbye to the dog, he embraces the dog and begs him to be there for the next visit.
This makes his found-family in the Kawamotos so important to him, and why he would move heaven and earth to comfort Hina.
To be honest, in real life i don’t even think even the dog would really care for him since he dedicated everything to the game. Doubt he was the type of kid to play fetch with a dog… or even play at all the way kids do.
@@Oyuki-Mayonesa Depends on the dog, depends on everything Rei did at his temporary home aside from shogi. Rei was helping out with chores like washing dishes, I'm sure he fed and walked the dog regularly.
@@MMuraseofSandvich good point about feeding the dog
He isn't begging the dog to be there for the next visit, he knows that the dog will die and he won't be there, which is why he's sad and hugs him one last time. I believe it's implied that Rei wont visit again.
All the amazing stuff shaft has made and this 8 minute vignette of mostly still images fucking kills me every time I watch it. This adaptation was so good.
This anime accurately describe the thought of human in various circumstances. No one is perfect and they have their own reason
When i first watched this scene it seemed like a whole movie... i had no words it's a masterpiece of storytelling in sangatsu and the fact this is just 8 mins really makes you realise the power of it
he came back for the one who truly loves him in this house
Tarou right?
@@blackwhite9936yes 😂😂
no no no. he can only show his true love to the dog because its the only one who wasnt affected by his presence in the house. everyone else he felt tremendous guilt. he cant even apologized if he wanted to because he knows its not his fault but nonetheless hes the reason the family is ruined.
@@zlee001he isn't the reason though, that family was doomed from the start. The father would always end up being disappointed in his children because he wanted shogi players, and Rei being adopted just made it happen quicker. It was always a broken home, and Rei was the straw that broke the camel's back, so everyone blamed it on him and never tried to accept him. The contrast is the Kawamoto family where he's also an outsider, but they accept him and so they're all bound even tighter as a family.
Literally one of the best episodes and chapters ive seen in an anime or manga
one of the best scenes ive seen in both manga and anime form, and the anime version is literally just a slideshow
I love it honestly. I don't even mind if more anime make flashbacks in this kind of format. Some people might say "it's a lazy writing" when you put some narration voice, but it work for me.
It is such simple ideas yet honestly amazing. Shaft found the perfect recipe for the monologue; the shots, the arts, just perfectly enpictured.
Calling it a slideshow seems pretty disrepectful considering it's not
IMO shogi was the father's way to try and show his love for his children, but because of his obsession with it he alienated them and they started rebelling because it only pulled him closer to Rei, treating him like the 'favorite son' because of his affinity with the game. He was selfish and never bothered to understand his kids' feelings, but he was also trying to reach out to them the best way he knew and eventually, he realized that it was doomed to fail.
The worst is really how he forced his daughter to stop playing. She was not a bad player by any means and could have easily become a women's professional or perhaps a normal pro. It was important to her too, both for her relationship with her father and also with Rei. Yet he forcefully made her drop out. It is clear that if not for Rei he likely would have continued supporting her. Rei knows this, which is why he feels especially guilty towards her and moved out to stop her from leaving so their family would have a chance to mend their relationships. Unfortunately the parents are emotionally absent idiots.
Honestly, Kouda is the entire reason why his family is messed up. He is also the reason why Rei had such a toxic love/hate relationship with Kyouko and ultimately cut her off. I really hope the manga will revisit this plotline.
yeah i mean the father is not a good dad.
responding "haha" to "making an effort is also a talent" ?
he wasn't trying to understand them, he had his own childhood trauma which he didn't dealt with properly.
"people who need other people to motivate them will eventually hit a brick wall" ok so help/motivate them to stand on their OWN two feet and also be supportive to them. that's not just shogi, that's how you raise kids.
this one line depicts his problem perfectly (at least for me).
It's important to remember, there are no heroes or villains in this manga/anime. Kouda's love was conditional, yes, and this made him neglectful to the point of borderline abuse, it's as though he based his entire parenting philosophy on some of the really terrible parenting advice books published over here in the US, the ones that said babies and young children were not to be shown any more affection than a firm handshake.
But if it weren't for Kouda, Rei would have been abused far worse at a distant relative's household, then sent to a facility for orphans until he turned 16-- to put it bluntly, he would have been discarded by his own extended family, doomed to forever be disadvantaged educationally, socially, and emotionally. You've seen them in the funeral flashback, their priorities were the patriarch's hospital and who would inherit it, they didn't give a damn that _a young boy had become an orphan._
Kouda ending his daughter's shogi career is also out of love, though his delivery left much to be desired. Remember what he said to her in that scene: "There are hundreds of professionals who are _better than Rei_ that you will go up against; if you can't hold a candle to Rei, there's no way you could [make a living as a shogi player]." Professional shogi is gender-segregated in Japan (which is ridiculous); Kouda wasn't talking about Souya or Shimada or Goto, he was talking about the women's professional league (which receives nowhere near the media coverage of the men's league, which is just one of the things about Japan that is absurdly bigoted). If she didn't stand a chance against a C-rank player, there's no way she could keep up and reach B rank, let alone A rank or title holder; she would be burning away her youth in exchange for sorrow, pain, and poverty. And while her pride would never accept it, Kyouko knew he was right.
Kouda's idea that an inexperienced player shouldn't be advised stems from the concept that a shogi player regularly has to exceed his own limits, Rei and other players mention this in inner monologue. Rei is able to force his way to better and better games because _he quite literally has nothing left to lose._ By contrast, Ayumu is in a position where he doesn't have to see the need to spend all-nighters studying game logs and endgame puzzles. Again, terrible approach to parenting, but in a way it would be crueler to allow Ayumu to have a false sense of his own skill, only for a competitive professional to crush him.
And the worst part is, it's unlikely that Kouda's kids would ever see him as a father again, even if Kouda realized the error of his ways and tried to make amends-- Kouda's idea of discipline was also borderline abuse and neglect. Umino's message here is that more often than we think, families can be fraught with egos, power plays, resentments, disappointment, abuse, and trauma, and because every family member thinks they're not wrong, all this horrible stuff can drag on for decades and sometimes it's better to just walk away and start fresh.
their father comes from a cruel world of reality.... he was aware of harsh reality of shougi world.... His kids are weak, they were not willing to spend that much of hardwork to shougi. On the other hand, Rei was desperate....his life was depending on it. Can you compete someone like him... instead of work harder than Rei, kids just choosed complain and escape from that reality. Their father also understood this, and decided to gave up on them regarding to pro player. Kids didnt had the necessary dedication/will power to stay alive in professional shougi world. Their father did a favor for them, but way of doing this choice wounded kids severely. In the end everyone had misery of their share... Their mother explained the situation flawlessly in this outstanding monolouge... In last scene I always thought that, Rei said his goodbye to his childhood when he hugs the tarou. He was quite unfortunate child with no fault at all....
Siempre me a gustado el trabajo de esta autora.
Me enamoro con Honey and Clover y ahora de Sangatsu Lion; sus historias son muy complejas, calidas, tristes, pero de alguna manera te llenan el corazon.
Isn’t this March comes in like a Lion?
Who the fuck is cutting onions?
This is deeply emotional and beautiful bro
wow. Oh shit. The mother basically believed anything that was too close to her was polluted. Doomed to fail. So sad. Thats so sad. :(
Que este sea el inicio de episodio final de la serie (tristemente cada año que pasa pierdo la fe en que tenga una tercera temporada) hace un trabajo estupendo para hacer un contraste del enorme crecimiento de Rei. Mostrado y expuesto desde un punto de vista que jamás habíamos escuchado antes, el cual es la madre de los Kouda, una persona que no supo como actuar ante una situación tan bizarra, que años después, y con arrepentimiento en el corazon al no haberle dado un lugar seguro al pobre niño que había perdido toda su familia, lo ve y reconoce el enorme viaje que ha tenido Rei, entre tanto sufrimiento y dolor ver a este joven con una sonrisa genuina y cálida le dio una alivio enorme, y a nosotros como espectador nos da la oportunidad de reflexionar en el progreso de Rei durante las dos temporada sin necesidad de recaer en lo repetitivo, sin duda una masterclass de chica umino y del studio shaft.
Ok om du säger det så, men vad hände med cykeln? Nu när vi har valt att prata våra egna språk istället för något alla kan förstå.
So beautiful
Try not to cry challenge: impossible
Love this scene
I noticed that the only portion that adoptive mom didn't narrate over was between Tarou and Kiriyama. Which to me seems more like Tarou was the only one Kiriyama could ever really talk to without fear.
Good VA
Siempre es tan doloroso ver esta parte, pero es un buen cierre. Espero continúen la hsitoria, el manga es fabuloso ❤
can someone tell me the ost name from 7:14 ?
Cold flow
June8
its not cold flow, cold flow has vocals
This family did not deserve to be forgiven by Rei imo. However, I'm happy for him.
It's more like he's moved on.
I find that this is more "forgiving" than it is "moving on". In my opinion he shows that he forgave them by bothering to check in on them at all. Moving on would be to give the family a place in your past through therapy, but refusing to engage with them in your daily life. One of the thing that bothered me about Rei's family is that no one in that house apologised to him. Apologised for taking him in with the promise of family and then tossing him out when they realised having him there made their children unhappy (for which the dad was at fault, not Rei). They all interact with him knowing that they wronged him, but no one in that family had the balls to say "sorry" to him.
@@MMuraseofSandvich
forgiveness is not something that is deserved. It's something that's given out of the good will, often for the sake of the giver.
Man they did Rei so dirty :(
Can someone tell me the name of the ost of this scene pls
June 8 6月8日 - OST 1
As far as I know in order:
Bridge
Whereabouts
Shogi House
June 8th
Episode?
3-gatsu no Lion 2nd Season, E22, First half.