I had to look at this clip since i didn't recognize the film, but I've seen it many times. Great stuff with Robert Mitchum and Curt Jergens. When the Navy was still really the Navy. I guess up till the early 1990s it stayed that way from my perspective.
Rank often depended on your billet. The Captain of the Ship was a Lt. Commander, was were most Commanding Officers of Destroyers and other smaller ship. Since he was just an Lt. Commander his XO could not be of a higher rank so Mr. Ware is a Double Bar Lt. Since Mr. Ware commands the other men and officers, none of then can hold a higher rank than him, hence all the Silver bar and butter officers. Now the doctor is an exception since he is medical staff and not command staff, he can actually have a higher rank than the Captain but cannot give orders outside his medical duties.
Those games were obviously made to inform the other ranking personnel. In a non-formal group, thing could be said that could not be said in the ubiquitous formal environment that was the rule of the day in any other circumstance. These games were important for that alone.
The J.G. said he was retired and living in Northern Nevada. People smoked back then and that aged people. BTW, I saw the exact same thing in 2006 when the US Army started getting retirees back into the Army for support of Iraq operations. I saw 55 year old warrant officers activated. They had no damn business on active duty. They were cycled through tactical training- honestly - well trained and physically fit early twenties women moved a hell of a lot better.
I recall seeing a tearful goodbye at Phoenix Sky Harbor then between a mother and her son....never seen a 50 year old NCO in full desert kit...his mother must have been 80. Bothered me...were we that short of leadership?
The men that were in the Monuments, Fine Arts and Archives Program were predominantly much older than the average grunt. Stout was a Navy reservist, activated specifically for the job. He was 47 years old in 1944.
I love how this movie shows that older German Officers were not the Brainwashed Hitler youth like the younger office. The Captain of the U-boat was just man doing his job.
It’s definitely one of the really interesting parts of the film, and definitely was a result of being made at a time where the US was trying to rebuild the image of Germany during the cold war, with the rearmament of West Germany. Small note, Curd Jürgens, the actor who plays the captain actually got sent to a labor camp during WW2 for being a vehement anti-nazi and arguing with the wrong people. Interesting guy, and a phenomenal movie.
I realize that script writers don't know anything about bridge. But they hire navel people to authenticate the navel scenes. Couldn't they have hired a bridge player to make sure the game had at least one player who hadn't learned the game seven seconds ago? I feel like Charley Brown listening to Lucy and going Ow Ow Ow
Interesting that gambling like this would be against regulations in the Royal Navy and yet the policy on alcohol consumption is far more liberal in the RN compared with the USN
It's the wardroom. The rules are different for the O's. If that Ensign walked in on a herd of sailors playing cards,he would declare that they were gambling for money,collect the money & order a sailor to tally the amount as he wrote down the names of everyone present to be brought before the Mast.
@@doughesson In an RN wardroom, you can indeed gamble and wager too, provided the stakes are trivial. This scene seems to involve some serious cash. I think there are rules in the USN against gambling with subordinates, but other than that? Obviously, serious gambling and intra-crew indebtedness is something that any sensible officer would want to discourage.
@@craigplatel813 Clearly, the officers playing cards in the clip did not consider themselves in violation of 133. Any cheating or dishonourable play would, of course, be covered.
I had to look at this clip since i didn't recognize the film, but I've seen it many times. Great stuff with Robert Mitchum and Curt Jergens. When the Navy was still really the Navy. I guess up till the early 1990s it stayed that way from my perspective.
Rank often depended on your billet. The Captain of the Ship was a Lt. Commander, was were most Commanding Officers of Destroyers and other smaller ship. Since he was just an Lt. Commander his XO could not be of a higher rank so Mr. Ware is a Double Bar Lt. Since Mr. Ware commands the other men and officers, none of then can hold a higher rank than him, hence all the Silver bar and butter officers. Now the doctor is an exception since he is medical staff and not command staff, he can actually have a higher rank than the Captain but cannot give orders outside his medical duties.
I sure miss rubber bridge. Even in the old days of duplicate one could still enjoy some light conversation without being shushed by the noise police.
Those games were obviously made to inform the other ranking personnel.
In a non-formal group, thing could be said that could not be said in the ubiquitous formal environment that was the rule of the day in any other circumstance.
These games were important for that alone.
Lol Captain Crane ( David Hedison /Sea view ) the early years ! I had not seen this film in a long time and forgot he was in it.
Excellent movie. Most times the Captain is made to play the fool and enlisted men and junior officers run the ship.
The J.G. said he was retired and living in Northern Nevada. People smoked back then and that aged people. BTW, I saw the exact same thing in 2006 when the US Army started getting retirees back into the Army for support of Iraq operations. I saw 55 year old warrant officers activated. They had no damn business on active duty. They were cycled through tactical training- honestly - well trained and physically fit early twenties women moved a hell of a lot better.
I recall seeing a tearful goodbye at Phoenix Sky Harbor then between a mother and her son....never seen a 50 year old NCO in full desert kit...his mother must have been 80. Bothered me...were we that short of leadership?
@@jimeditorialmore likely specialists. In the USMC we were always asking for translators, Intel, signals types to come back for a tour.
In Monuments Men, George Clooney was a 40 year old 1st Lt.
The men that were in the Monuments, Fine Arts and Archives Program were predominantly much older than the average grunt. Stout was a Navy reservist, activated specifically for the job. He was 47 years old in 1944.
I love how this movie shows that older German Officers were not the Brainwashed Hitler youth like the younger office. The Captain of the U-boat was just man doing his job.
It’s definitely one of the really interesting parts of the film, and definitely was a result of being made at a time where the US was trying to rebuild the image of Germany during the cold war, with the rearmament of West Germany.
Small note, Curd Jürgens, the actor who plays the captain actually got sent to a labor camp during WW2 for being a vehement anti-nazi and arguing with the wrong people.
Interesting guy, and a phenomenal movie.
The movie which inspired the Star Trek episode Balance of Terror.
I understood ship lights out came at 2130. My boo boo..
don't they have a war to fight on?
I realize that script writers don't know anything about bridge. But they hire navel people to authenticate the navel scenes. Couldn't they have hired a bridge player to make sure the game had at least one player who hadn't learned the game seven seconds ago? I feel like Charley Brown listening to Lucy and going Ow Ow Ow
Look at the Magnum (TM Plays Bridge?) clips I and II. Whoever wrote those knew bridge -- not just the game, but the players.
Naval. Navel is your belly button.
What movie is this?
"The Enemy Below" ( 1957) czcams.com/video/bXLzYVEVlE8/video.html
@@chrishasney2468 Thanks!
Interesting that gambling like this would be against regulations in the Royal Navy and yet the policy on alcohol consumption is far more liberal in the RN compared with the USN
It's the wardroom.
The rules are different for the O's.
If that Ensign walked in on a herd of sailors playing cards,he would declare that they were gambling for money,collect the money & order a sailor to tally the amount as he wrote down the names of everyone present to be brought before the Mast.
@@doughesson In an RN wardroom, you can indeed gamble and wager too, provided the stakes are trivial. This scene seems to involve some serious cash. I think there are rules in the USN against gambling with subordinates, but other than that? Obviously, serious gambling and intra-crew indebtedness is something that any sensible officer would want to discourage.
@@llewevarticle 133 conduct unbecoming an officer, article 134 gambling with a subordinate, applies to NCO's gambling with non rates
@@craigplatel813 Clearly, the officers playing cards in the clip did not consider themselves in violation of 133. Any cheating or dishonourable play would, of course, be covered.
Officers cheat or engage in dishonest acts?
Where's my inhaler?Perish the thought!@@llewev