Operation Igloo White
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- The Vietnam War was a testing ground for American military technology. But one particular operation received significant funds... and was kept a very big secret. From 1968 to 1973, the military spent nearly $1 billion a year on a modern, computer-powered initiative to win the war.
As most secret operations do, the plan went by many names, including Practice Nine, Muscle Shoals, Illinois City and Dye Marker. Today it's known as Operation Igloo White.
For almost five years, camouflaged electronic sensors, which were supposed to look like artificial vegetation, were dropped along the nearly 10,000 miles that comprised the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
These secret electronic monitors detected and transmitted enemy movements along the Trail to aircraft that patrolled the area. The pilots would then relay the data to air bases in Thailand.
Targeted strikes, however, wouldn't occur then and there. Instead, the data was fed into two supercomputers in a 200,000-square-foot facility to generate predictions about where along the Ho Chi Minh Trail the Viet Cong would appear next. It was the first real-time, computer-driven surveillance operation program set up for combat. And it was hoped that it would be the U.S. military's own version of "The Minority Report"...
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Can you speak each letter slowly so my inept brain can understand this? Haha just playin but since you caved to these clowns demands you might as well cave completely
I turned it to 1.25x speed and it's still off a bit but I cant do that super slow talking stuff
Very nice I love all your docs very informative for us that had hard time staying focus in history class
Glad to see you back! I follow you since i had to pause to read your content! 😁
This guy could narrate my morning coffee routine into a dark Cold War coverup
It sounds like Tom Green to me
@@tedeisner822 was the voice speeded up ? sounds weird
@@SWPG It is maybe 1.5 speed
LMAO
Even though the Kimchi robots were fully fueled with the proper amount of coffee,
they were unable to avoid the continuous stream of dark docs.
I worked on this in Viet Nam. I have a picture of the guys I trained with at Fort Huachuca in Arizona in 1969 (if any of you see this, give a shout out). This documentary leaves out a big part of the program and that was local defense. The sensors were placed around defensive perimeters for early attack warnings and were hard wired to the readouts inside the defenses. The hard part was changing the batteries without getting shot by our own guys and also having to crawl through all the razor wire and crusted over tear gas that billowed up when you crawled on it. I never heard that name "igloo White". We called it "McNamara's Folly".
Thank you for your service!
Kent S. Merrill Sounds intriguing and v much more than serious,,,i feel privileged to read your words and watch this piece,,,M😎
Thankyou!
My brother Ron was intel. He always said he was a cook. Till a couplethree years ago.
You’ve never heard that name bc you’re a lying clown
Don't forget the Special Forces guys that placed sensors "across the fence" while being "deniable" if captured/killed, they also planted recording devices on military communication lines outside of Vietnam, They carried out some insanely risky missions along with help from indigenous forces, with no medals or recognition, until after their 20 year silence contract expired, allowing the few that survived to share some of those stories 👍
THAT QAS THE STORY..
Macv sog are bad asses. Reading across the fence now actually.
yes they entered another sovreign country illegally carrying weapons with the intent to kill, worked there without immigration papers, vandalised parts of it and then scurried away. and a lot of americans moan about illegal immigrants.......
MAC V SOG
@@davidcleaver3300
So-called "indigenous forces" are actually US fronts.
Holy moly! When I was a kid, Robert McNamara seemed like such an old man. Now that I'm 70, McNamara in this video looks so young.
Time hurts us all brother
Like my boss always used to say. DONT GET OLD!!!! Never thought I would. Seems so far off but comes quick. McNamara is one of the smartest guys I’ve ever seen a interview with. Was fascinating hearing it all from him. All the things we had no clue about. It’s gotta be on here somewhere. He didn’t do many interviews
Haha! Same!
I was a crew member on the aircraft (EC121R) that flew the Igloo White missions (553rd Recon Wing). The 553rd Recon Wing patch is a black panther with bat wings hence batcat. The flight schedule was grueling 18 to 20 hour days every three days. I served as the RMT (Radio Maintenance Technician) or electronics tech to do repairs in flight when needed. I served in 1969 for a year at Korat RTAFB, Thailand the home base of the 553rd.
I was a member of the 21st SOS, flying on CH-3E's dropping the sensors on the Trail... Nov 67 - May 69
Respect to you Jim and all those that served and those we lost.
You know a capt rob johnson by chance...? Flew fighters that campaign.
Your a hero. I’m sorry the country you’ve fought for has devolved to what it has.,,,
Respect! A truly dangerous job in a very dangerous war.
Landup Skydown It was a disgrace of a War America has a lot to answer for
Hannibal Lectures Respect for invading a country and killing its people and for what playing politics disgraceful
"Let's throw harmless mines that can't hurt innocent people if they stepped on them...."
"... but also regular mines too"
Think of it as a witch trial. If you’re innocent you won’t step on a claymore but if you do well......
I'm assuming that's why Vietnam still is having people killed by mines 60 years after the war. Vietnam and Cambodia have some of the worst mine problems in the world.. I think only a few countries in like Africa are worse.
Despite my moral and ethical objections, I laughed a lot at this
@@michaelkemnerlin7834 the Middle East is the worst iirc
@@rockydubois2418 Do you know how a claymore mine works? The mines the US used were not stuff you stepped on unless is was a defensive mine field around a base. And these were fenced off. When you are out patrolling all the time you cannot scatter land mines around lest your own people become casualties. SO don't believe the BS you see on TV. It has been lying to you for decades.The communists were a different story. While we set out claymore mechanical ambushes on trails we picked up all the ones that did not detonate. For reasons stated. What the Arvn did I cannot say. Commies? They don't put much value on human life.
The “supercomputer” back then was significantly less powerful than a first gen gameboy.
2 asians who didnt graduate from cal-tech a box of cheetos and a calculator.
😆😅🤣
Todays simple calculators are more sofisticated 😁
@@mirishow it was 60s. The one who could slap "calculator" to missile, had huge advantage as enemy had only non guided missiles. Engineers could make nice things with that calculator.
@@effexon so true
I'm South African. In the 80's in our border war against communism we had basically the same system but smaller scale and more for parameter security setup. We were very successful. Great channel 👍🏻
Of all the Vietnam videos I've watched over the years, I've never heard of this. Fascinating!
me neither
Same here
Ditto!
I had
Read some books a read is just as good as a yt vid. Lot to the war than just “Fortunate Son”
But yes yt vids are epic I enjoy them to but books have the real information your missing .
In my mind, 1960s battery tech would be a major limiting problem and expense.
Now they'd probably add on some solar cells.
It was, severely.
It was, a lot of US soliders, special operators, ARVN, tribal defense forces, and CIA operatives risked life and limb to go out into the jungle to monitor those sensors, change the batteries, or replace them. Many did not make it back alive.
The same tech was also used for the US Navy's sonobuoy and hydro microphone programs.
I wonder how many people got beaned by one of those giant lawn darts?
I mean I know a lot of foot traffic didn't travel ON the trail, but along it in the jungle, right where those sensors were headed.
They used tape cassette back then and that was incredible technology for the time . People where still using 8 tracks etc so wow who knows what they had
i never knew these things had existed in the 60s until i saw them in the USAF museum, actually blew my mind we had that kind of capability in that era
Imagine where the military industrialized complex is today...
This is the era of the SR71 and the Apollo missions...
Alex jones tried to tell us but he was blacklisted
There was bombing computers in WW2
S Holzer maybe the 5G tech everyone calls others crazy for thinking could have ulterior motives
My father participated in this, as the communication officer with C/75 (LRRP) I remember him expressing his frustration on the government not following up on the information that he and his guys sent to them.
This is very interesting to me. In the summer of 1971 I was part of a artillery battery sent from Fort Benning Georgia to Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. Our purpose was to test out A new style of air drop sensors. The purpose of these sensors was to audibly detect the sound of artillery and triangulate that data to reveal the exact location of the artillery battery. I don’t know if this technology was ever used but it was a great three weeks for us 😉
While in the Air Force, I heard of Igloo White & the placement of sensors & monitors along the trail, but didn’t know it was this in-depth and secretive!
You had me at operation igloo white!
Could've named it nigga black tbh
@@pradeepkumar-qo8lu lol what
Yeeeaa
@@pradeepkumar-qo8lu haha
How? Hahaha
In 1970, I was stationed on a ship offshore of NVN. I received a notice to attend an interview with a civilian, he explained they needed someone with my skill set on a temporary assignment. My skill set was pre Navy experience with electronic Communications systems. I was sent to DaNang and from there by helo to a "Van", a towed equipment trailer filled with com gear used to listen to these sensors. After about a week of bad food and heat, I developed the shitts. one lovely swampy afternoon I went out into the grass to do my thing, about the third or fourth time that day, and while squatting in the grass, a mortar round hit the trailer, it was completely destroyed. no survivors. I stayed low, not moving for at least an hour and heard nothing so I stood up, my pant still down around my ankles. There in front of me was a little guy in black PJ's and an AK. While he was distracted by my naked legs I grabbed him by the throat and engaged in a strangulation while he dropped his AK and grabbed a knife. I still have the scar across my chest where the blade cut horizontally across my sternum but I won. walked out and found a unit that took me back to a base. From there, back to the ship.
Did you still have the runs after that day?
Stories like these are what I like! My great uncles used to tell me about Iwo Jima. They lost a lot of friends and saw horrible things. Somehow they lived to tell about it.
Remembered another one from Aa Marine bud in Nam. NVA walked in, at night, on his camp. There were 6 Marines, and 12 NVA. It happened so fast, all they could use was knives. One minute later, there were 6 Marines left!
Look, you wrote well for a blurb on a paperback. But there is no way you can comment this very interesting account without answering some important questions :
Was the round that destroyed the van, the only one? And if the only one, did your position employ native labor? (Someone able to count off the emplacement without rasing suspicion)
Finally, was the "black pajamas" wearing man alone? If not, did you have a spork to finish off the others?
@@ElonMuckX I never mentioned this story to anyone till one day I was with an Army Medic, retired, who served in that area. we bonded I guess and we both unloaded, since then it has not bothered me to tell it. I was unarmed, although I did have a swiss army knife (Still carry one) and after, I took the AK and walked out
@@wildancrazy159 This was a van, like the trailer from a semi, no native labor. The antenna used was a long wire attached to a helium filled balloon that was supposed to look like a cloud (Yea, stupid but typical CIA). This made it easy to spot and yes, I only remember one detonation which I believed was from a mortar. I was a tech, not a jarhead. No, I did not stick around to see if he had friends in the area.
@@t5grrr Look, first of you aren't even using the account of the first post. Even if you are the same guy your story with the cloud sounds very made up.
I noticed they look real similar to motion sensors in black ops 1. Little things like that are really cool. Awesome documentary!
I lived through the Vietnam War. They did it all wrong. They didn't fight to win. It was a huge waste of blood and treasure.
When the goal is to sell as many bombs planes and military kit as possible, you don't fight to win. You just fight. American warfare in a nutshell.
Yes 100%, I have been saying this for years but the Americans just keep on trying to justify it. It was all just for a show of power, like the big bully at school picking on the little guy so everyone would go Oooooh am scared of him. I have traveled north to south twice in Vietnam & Cambodia & the people are so friendly & great food. I will return one day again.👍🇬🇧
It's a bit more complicated than that. Today the USA and Vietnam are allies against China. Given how China really wants to invade Vietnam and India. But back then, it was more of containment and experimentation against soviet technologies. Nevermind the rules of engagement preventing troops from advancing. The historical lenses is complicated and questionable. But at least today those wounds seem to have healed over.
This is very misleading. We absolutely fought to win. At least we fought much harder than our enemies did. The Soviets and Chinese committed very few combat troops and spent far less money on Vietnam. I mean sure we were also fighting the Vietnamese. And they fought harder than we did. But they were fighting over their own country. They are the wrong group to compare with. If we had escalated further so would the Chinese and Soviets.
We also lost by a lot. Even with 5X the troops and 5x the resources we would have probably lost. Afghanistan has shown us this. The Taliban is much less capable than the Vietcong was and is up against a much more advanced US. But they are still arguably winning. If we escalated not only would it have provoked China and the Soviet Union but the Vietnamese would have just scaled back and waited playing the same types of game the Taliban has turned into an art form. They always controlled the intensity of the war.
@@peterisawesomeplease us army in Europe had priority cause that's were the real war was to be fought
I, my younger brother, and an Australian friend went to the Peterson Air Force Museum in Colorado back in 2016. One of the aircraft - an EC-121 Warning Star - is open for tours, and our guide had flown that specific place during the Vietnam war. As he took us up forward the cockpit, he pointed out a small area on the starboard side and mentioned one mission where a couple CIA agents were seated there with confidential tech, and that they had the area blocked by a curtain so that even he couldn't see what they were doing. Fast forward to today, and my Australian friend sends me this video. Guess we know what they were up to now.
You can use all the super computers you like,that won't prevent Washington from screwing it up with their insane limitation of pilots from hitting the really important targets such as air bases and SAM sites.397 F-105s were lost during the war,the vast majority of which would have survived had the air force been permitted to choose it's own targets.
It wasn't about winning, it was about milking that war for as long as possible. That's how capitalism does wars.
They all would have survived if we weren’t baited into a senseless war
@@alexcarter8807 The Vietnam war was much more complex and convoluted than you make it out to be...
Absolutely - one factor I didn't appreciate until I learned more about the air war, was just how limiting it seemed for pilots - must have been maddening, seeing good targets and having a better idea of what was actually going on.........but being told not to engage, not to take initiative. Madness.
Wasn't a member of the administration telling the north Vietnamese our targets as well .
The Ho Chi Minh trail was organized on a checkerboard basis, if one square was made impassable an adjacent or adjoining square was used.
Each square had its own maintenance
team which kept up that area of the trail and was based upon it, even to raising a substantial portion of their own food. Each team contributing to medical care, maintenance of fuel stockpiles.
The more it was bombed, the more terrain became available for engineering into the transport network.
Ants moving mountains, bicycles carrying kilos, trucks transporting hundred of pounds, fought against with weapons costing tens of millions of dollars.
We, Americans, never understood.
Your production quality keeps getting better. 'Good day to you, Sir. Good day.
@Acid Trip are you gae?
It's not good quality as long as the thumbnail contains a red circle lol
@Acid Trip LMFAO, coming from someone who can't work out how to use a fkn screwdriver!! Grab another joint ya fkn mud flap.
I absolutely love these videos, and only wish they were longer so I could fall asleep to them. It sounds strange, but your voice is extremely calming
I flew night recon missions over Laos in 1969. I remember hearing about sensors on the trail. USAF lost a lot of aircraft over the trail. I lost some good friends over southern Laos in 1969. I remember their names and what they looked like from 51 years ago.
Glad you made it home. Did you ever see anything very interesting or strange on those recon flights?
Their version of supercomputers probably wouldn’t even compare with the phone in our pocket in 2021.
GIGO= Garbage In, Garbage Out.
If you feed your computers garbage data, you will get garbage results.
Those things probably couldn't even run crysis.
@@hawksnake3372 lol
@@hawksnake3372 or Doom. 😉
All that 60's and 70's tech is the equivalent of those last 2 old cell phones you've got sitting in a shoe box, covered by "important" receipts and paperwork.
The Apollo capsule ran a computer of..... 640kb. That was less than a floppy disk (720kb, the large, flexible one - or the smaller, stiff 1.4MB one).
@@ibubezi7685 the moon landing was staged
Let me know why no one else ever stepped foot on the moon , even with such superior tech
Thanks
Every single video I watch
Based
My boi
Now they got people willingly lining up to buy these sensor devices. Next gen warfare isn't a conspiracy theory, its a frightening reality.
Not expecting to see you here, thank you for making such informative videos
Just getting around to seeing this...I was a Sub Unit One, 1st ANGLICO Marine in Binh Dinh, Vietnam 72-73. We had heard about the trail being wired but was not privy to the details. After Vietnam, (1974) I was sent to Ft. Huachuca for the Unattended Ground Sensor course and was designated a 8621 specialist in the SCAMP platoon, 2nd MarDiv., Camp Lejeune. We were sworn to secrecy concerning sensors and we kept our word for many decades but I can tell you we did some pretty cool things with sensors in conflicts most have long since forgotten about (like Cyprus) and others. We would be attached to recon units most often but also did helicopter delivered insertions of a sensor string by hanging out the side and physically dropping the aerial sensor using the toe of the skid as an aiming point to the ground. Its been 50 years now so I guess a lot of folks know about sensors now but I won't get into too many details as I would feel awful if I gave up any classified information.
How you found a narrator so apt at this specific field of study is beyond me. Props.
I was on the Laos desk of the MACV General Staff. I wrote the Laos portion of the MACV daily intel summary. Every briefing started with the sentence, “ In Laos on ...(date) there were x number of sensor string activations”. Lower level units and the Air Force probably made more tactical use of the information. A fellow staff officer was instrumental in calling in a B52 strike based on sensors and “people sniffers”. The BDA reported approx 40 water Buffalo KIA. We got an interrogation report that claimed an NVA soldier had taken a sensor apart and made a transistor radio to listen to rock and roll on AFVN. Just some random memories of Igloo White.
Putting the video playing speed to -0.75 makes him talk normal.
@Rooster Dog your an idioy
Bruh
He's the worst thing about this channel 😂
I agree it gets better although there's still something odd - the problem is not in the recording, he really speaks in a bizarre way
@@noahyamura9345 im not sure he's the idiot here.
10:42 that was seriously insane. War is always awful, but sometimes these videos really hit home.
I worked in Laos on the Nam Thuen II hydro-electric back from 2005 to 2010. The project covered quite a large geographical area. One of the items that was totally under estimated was the amount of unexploded ordnance (UXO) we had to clear. It's a sad legacy that the US & CIA secret air war still maims & kills thousands of Laotians each year. Considering that The United States eventually dropped the equivalent of a planeload of bombs every eight minutes, 24 hours a day, for nine years gives Laos the unfortunate moniker of being the most heavily bombed country in the world.under estimated
Igloo White is referenced in Ed Rasamus's book Palace Cobra which was written a few years after his second, (1972-73), Vietnam Tour when he flew F-4 Phantoms. The title refers to an Air Force Policy regarding second Vietnam deployments. FYI, his first book talking about his first deployment "When Thunder Rolled" is also an excellent read.
A war military contractors didn't want to win and didn't want to end
Johnson was making money off Bell helicopter and Sea-Land.
@Yoo Wat Idiot. Where did he say the contractors were in VN (thought some were at least early on).
Lots of families happy and munitions getting ready to go
@Yoo Wat He was talking about US companies. Those that had military contracts to make arms, bombs and everything else that's needed in war.
@Yoo Wat reporting someone for false information is everyone suppose to be a fact checker and know everything and know no wrong? this is the problem with society instead of explaining to him why he’s wrong you instead would rather report him risking his account. I’m not saying what he said is true or false but you know people can’t be 100% accurate on everything they say we aren’t robots.
Wow that was so AWESOME!!! thank you so much! So many things I like about your program so far in fact of the many reviews that I favor from time to time I have to admit that reading comments and others input is generally where I'd find any interest but on this particular one I found myself reading like 30 before even pushing play on the video so I want to thank everybody for such insight?
My dad was a mechanic for the 553rd Recon known as the Batcats. Cavete Cattam was their moto.
When I raised my hand to take the oath of enlistment at Ft. Hamilton Army Base in Brooklyn in 1965, I had no idea that my entire four-year Air Force enlistment would be devoted exclusively to Operation Igloo White. I started as a high school dropout. The military was required by law to take a percentage of us. I got my GED while training at McCoy AFB in Orlando. Few of us bothered to take advantage of our brutal avionics repair training, six days a week, 10 hours a day. There was a war. They pushed us through. I passed by sweating blood, even aceing my electronic formula “block” by memorizing 130 electronic formulas. I went on to obtain a First Class FCC License with Ship Radar Endorsement. I did maintenance on the great Lockheed RC-121 “Bat Cats.” The enemy couldn’t hide. Night, rain, jungle growth - nothing could stop us from “seeing” them. Three of my cousins were in the Marines in ‘Nam then. I like to think I did my part to help them get home alive. Later, I learned that when I was flying to my AF base in Thailand, Nixon had already decided we would abandon Vietnam. They didn’t tell us that! I also learned that just before surrendering, we had won the war militarily. We should never have pulled out. We left our South Vietnam allies, men and women, to the unimaginably brutal Communist “reeducation“ camps. Everybody knows about the Nazi concentration camps. How many know about the Communist Vietnamese camps? Journalism was dead then, and it is dead now. It would make the Administration look bad if Americans were told about them. Now, American tourists, including my kids, flock to Vietnam; “Hey, we’re on YOUR side!” Remember all those “peace marches”? It dawned on me that we were all hoodwinked. Those “peace” organizations such as SANE and the War Resisters League? They didn’t want peace at all. What they wanted was a Communists victory. Where are they now when Biden spends billions on a highly propagandized war to dismantle a non-WOKE Russia? Not a peep out of them.
Thank God your back !!! Happy New Year ❤
Wanna hear something funny? My dad was a door gunner on a huey Gunship in VN. His best friend was also a door gunner and crew chief of the ship they flew on. His name was Shepherd. After hearing some bs orders from Westmoreland, Shepherd decided to have a little fun, as well as send a giant middle finger to the brass. While performing some boring mission, my dad noticed Shepherd had something hidden underneath a tarp at his feet. He asked him about it over the comms, but got "shushed" down. Pretty soon, they flew over central command in Saigon. All of the sudden, Shepherd reached down, pulled back the tarp, and kicked the object out the side of the ship. It was a crate of CS grenades. All the pins were pulled, the crate walls holding the spoons in.
Hours later, all forces in Vietnam were notified that any aircraft flying directly over the US Embassy in Vietnam were subject to being shot down.
Turns out, the CS gas had landed near the AC system and had been sucked in, leading to a complex full of hilarity.
True story.
What is 'funny'? Criminal is the better term.
The narrator’s voice reminds me of some actor, but I cannot nail it down as to who. His voice bothered me first video, but the content was good, so I kept coming back. Now I dig his voice and presentation. I might have to subscribe. Good content, wish the videos were a little longer though, interesting stuff.
Kudos
Leonard Nimoy
Same. It'll come to me in a year or two.
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@@theogdirkdiggler what?! Lmao NO! This guy sounds nothing like Leonard Nimoy. Made me laugh though.
He's speaking way too fast.... almost cutting his own words. Not sure why... to sound 'resolute'? To hypnotize us? If he slowed down, it would make the video maybe 1 minute longer? Perfect trade-off for me...
My step dad made nat geo. He was rescued ...two days in a tree above ho chi Minh trail. In full view a Mile. so up a mountain he called help in two days ...finally.. then they almost pulled him in half but he made it ok. Thankful for the green jollies. Thanks fellows. Good job. William C Griffirh Col. AF retired... one the good guys
What's really amazing is that the whole super computer would fit in my phone today.
Jim F
: Wow.You must have a really big phone...
@@ebayerr no, normal size ... XS
the computer in your credit card (the tiny chip) is more powerful than the computer used to land men on the moon
That footage of that f4 dropping napalm on a convoy is amazing
My Col. in the Marine Corp ROTC flew the missions that dropped the sensors
Great video
The cost of the Vietnam war forced the US off the gold standard and on to a 100% fiat currency system-the US is now reaping the 'rewards' of that system.
Anyone else catch the guy fake typing at 8:07?
Yes 😂
No but I am going to look out for it now
"Stealth typing".
You really do well made content. I have just recently found your channel and am enjoying it quite a bit.
You guys ruined him! 😑 always complaining about the speed of delivery, which is exactly what i love - no nonsense, quick and clear history channel, unique these days.
Now i notice longer pause and spacing between sentences...
Way to go mukes, go watch some history channel but keep Mister Dark on high octane for me (please 🥺)
I disagree. I don't have to be on Ritalin to hear him now 😂🇦🇺
I completely agree. Now I have him on 1.25 playback speed.
Not sure if it was directly related to Op Igloo White, but I did have the opportunity to interview a vet, who’s mos was electronic warfare. He was stationed on Fire base Fuller and dealt with these sensors and reported enemy movements back to HQ.
Imagine Go Pros, solar charging batteries and computer technology today...
Nah today it would just be thermal satellite imaging haha
they use unattended ground sensors these days
They would botch it up still today
How do you think the Islamic State was wiped out - albeit with help from the Kurds on the ground !
My grandfather, against his will had his invention used for these sensors during this operation. He was in the North Korean War and earned a Purple Heart. He was against war during Vietnam due to what he experienced. Interesting this is all history now.
You had me at operation.
I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work!
Remember you didnt listen to PATTON.
The Vietnam War - an absolute text book case study on how NOT to conduct warfare 😒
True but it was a learning experience (a very costly one). But every single conflict is different....even if you learn something from one war it may not even apply in the next one. It’s best to just avoid war at all costs.
@@lucast3006 - sorry dude, but it was conducted with absolute incompetence from both military and civilian leadership standpoint. If Johnson had conducted the intense bombing campaign directly against the North Vietnam capital in 1967 that Nixon did in 1975, the war would have been over then and we would have saved half of the 40K lives we lost 😔
I would like to see DD's take on the Dennis Martin case, very interesting.
Still putting out the best content on yt thanks for all the awesome uploads
The only thing I love more then early surveillance is just as effective counter surveillance
You've slowed down a bit and the narration is vastly improved. I hope one day after the investigations are over you'll cover the infamous attack on the U.S. Capitol Building. The one that occurred way back January 6th 2021.
It wasn't an attack. It was a statement of civil disobedience against stolen election by the disenfranchised people
Conservative Immigrant seriously... I hope OP doesn’t ignore all the hours of witness testimony like most people do... there’s a very good reason that protest happened
@@CoercedJab The protest happened because people were fedup with Congress taking them for a ride and trying to destroy their livelihoods while living off our tax dollars... And btw, protesting is not illegal and unless you are a amnesiac leftist you must remember how ANTIFA/BLM thugs burned down whole cities and police departments in the summer and media called them 'mostly peaceful protests'...
You mean the federal court house in Portland that they tried buring down for a week? Or the 130 days or so of mostly peaceful protesting when 30 people died, and around 2 billion dollars of damage. Or the the chaz, were I think 3 people died? Or the womens march that stormed the capital building interrupting the Kavanagh interrogation of false accusations?🤔🤔
The information you provide is amazing. If you could talk, read just a little bit slower. That would be great.
I’m assuming we used this experiment to further our urine detection systems after the war?
Thankyou. More excellent work.
Let us not forget the approx 3 million Vietnamese people who died during the conflict and are still dying due to UXO up ti today.
RIP the old announcer to this channel. I can't listen to the current one.
Then what are you doing here? We all know you watched and LISTENED.
@@brandoncourtney8134 are you the voice fairy?
This video has a serious Command & Conquer vibe to it.
The flange voice effect, the music, the images on the screen.
Feels like I'm being briefed on a mission to destroy a Nod base.
Can you do a video on operation “Eldest son”. Read about it years ago and was always intrigued. Vietnam era op
yes, good one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son
@@ibubezi7685 didnt know it had an entry on wikipedia. Thanks mate!
I served in Vietnam never heard anything about this I do note that from your commentary American deaths were superfluous the cause a lot of friends died for the military industrial complex
This program is the example I use to demonstrate how massive the effort to win was by the US
The troops over there put on massive effort, but civilian leadership back home wouldn't let them do what was needed to win
@@Dwendele no doubt the troops gave everything...but what do you think the civilian leadership didn’t do or did do to let them win?
@@Brittjones Look up: 'Rules of Engagement' (under Johnson) e.g.: you were shot at, and then the enemy crosses a river, into Cambodia - you're not allowed to shoot at him, but if he turns around, he still can shoot at you... The Air Force restrictions (for North Vietnam) were equally debilitating. LBJ basically was Hanoi's 'Agent One', in the Oval Office.
@@ibubezi7685 Yep...good point right there
For some reason your videos makes me sleepy. I watch these as I sleep
The USA: "We'll spend all this money to win a war"
Rice Farmers: "AK go brrr"
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More like: China: "We'll spend all this money to win a war, too, and won't have to cross an ocean to do it."
@@brianhaygood183 Russians jumped in too.. But still, it's funny because the US lost to a 3rd world country.
@@utbdoug ...but we just established we didn't lose to a 3rd world country, even despite our ineptitude. We lost to a 3rd world country lying on the border of China with China and Russia both supporting the North just as much or more than we could support the South.
We lost when we didnt support a better government after ww2 and let ho go commie
Thank God, I saw these things all over the place in Vientiane Military Museum, it is nice to understand what they were used for. Good to hear the truth instead of the BS Propaganda.
I wonder how many of those sensors are still over there sticking out of the ground in the jungle
Depends if they were made of aluminum or not. Steel casings will have rusted out by now. Vietnam is very humid.
@Osama Bin Laden m16s don't rust you fool. Their made out of plastic and aluminum
Pretty clever, especially in light of the tech of the time.
Whoever chose the intro music, I'd like to buy you a beer 🍺
One of my close friends worked on this project. He was a scientist and programmed the sensors to work at just the right detection rating. Thousands of hours it took to do that. Something to mention, there were three separate groups all working on this project, but none of them knew of each. So if one were to try an obtain info on the project they couldn't. Not unless you had the code word.
Little story he told me. Will call him White, the middle man Tan, and the other guy Brown. So White goes to this party and there is a heck of a bunch of people, games, drinks, and food, a great amout of distraction and noise. White sees Tan and says "Aye whats up how you doin" and Tan says "Good to see you, hey I have someone I want you to meet". So Tan introduces White to Brown and they talk about the usual. All of a sudden Brown intertwines Cowboy into one of his sentences and White remembers the code, so he repeats it back "Cowboy". At that moment Tan says you both have "Cowboy" clearance so you two can talk about the "Code Black".
White said he was so overjoyed to finally talk with someone in regards to the project. "It was just a relief". Hope you enjoyed my little rant reader and good day to you.
You should do a video on the battle of Xuan Loc
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1:19 "The data was fed into two super computers" In the Late 1960s/ Early 1970s, that "Super Computer" probably had all the power of a Commodore 64.
This was LONG before the Commodore 64
@@tomroderick6041 I realize that, I meant that the "Super Computer" of that era probably had the computing power of a home computer 10 to 15 years later.
And the size of a basketball court
Good chance the C64 had MORE processor capacity. It even had a video coprocessor, which by the standards of the day was pretty impressive.
"supercomputer" was overkill added, I suppose, for dramatic effect. It was a couple of IBM 360 mainframes.
Interesting! I'd never heard of Igloo White before.
All this technology they used and didn’t turn out to well .
Kill death ratio shows us kicked ass. As well as vc generals stating they were losing the war when we left
The only positive of the Vietnam war was the good guys won in the end
@@chebb3699 yet they won
@@demonprinces17 Only after North Vietnam expressly violated the terms of the Paris ceasefire agreement, two whole years after the withdrawal of US combat forces.
The Vietnam war wasn't won/lost (whatever your opinion is) in Vietnam.
The name “Igloo White” grabbed my attention. I was assigned to a G2 in PHU BAI for most of 1969. Many other sensor code names are permanently burned into my memory.
@Ban this youtube There were many units in PHU BAI “combat base” as it was called. I was with XXIV Corps. Your grandfather probably worked in conjunction with G2.
Remember, the United States pulled out of South Vietnam after the 1973 Peace Accords, it was the Communists that broke the agreement and invaded the South and the ARVN collapse in March-April 1975.
They invaded SVN from 1954, after the French left - communist troops remaining in the south, to build the VC. They also broke the cease-fire during TET '68 - you never read about it as the press was biased back then already.
This is the beginning of AWACS. Great stuff!
They definitely could build road fast.
The north Vietnamese army had hundreds of civilians working for them , to repair bomb damaged roads etc . They killed those who refused
There's a patent for a device from the 50's I believe, called the "senceorama" or "senceamatic" or something along those lines...
It was one of the first VR devices produced. It even included smells I think...
Most people think VR is a recent technology when it's actually one known about for generations...
The same thing applies to the technology in this video...
It was tried and tested for generations before ever being deployed in theater...
Love your videos man I've watched everyone on almost each channel, due to me having alot of free time and always love the quality over quantity uploads, Keep it UP!
This was my MOS in the 70's. It works pretty good. The even had microphones that would pick up chatter. Most of mine were hand placed. That makes a heavy ruck....
There's a holiday in Cambodia.
"Don't forget to pack a wife".
@@darkknight1340 DK's!!!!!!!!! hells jeah!!!!
If anyone is curious it really saddens me that these doc series don't have millions of views our youth and our Americans need to know this history!!
Meanwhile, The Vietnamese used hand-cranked generators for their radio transmitters, sharpened bamboo sticks for booby traps and old bolt action Russian rifles......and won the war.
They were more well equipped than you think
True
And communism has kept this country in a third world status only killing those that objected to the 'State". Progress.
@@auburnalum9019 We were looking in the wrong place for the Communist threat, while we sent our best young men to die in these sheethole countries the real threat was infesting our universities and institutions, I am English, but the same is true for the US.
@@dellawrence4323 that is true. we ended up losing the war after all, if you count that half of young adults are turning commie by the day
I only clicked on this video because of how the US military named a project Igloo but this is very interesting and I am hooked
RIP headphones users when the title hits.
good video as always , however, it seems as though the editing is different than usual... the timing and pace the narration is a bit too slow... maybe it's just me but I have watched nearly every episode among all your channels and thought I would comment. Thank you for your time and work!
Its nice to catch what hes saying
"In a nuclear war, war is the enemy" ; Dr Nuclear Bomb
I read a very good, in-depth book about this called "Wiring Vietnam: The Electronic Wall." I highly recommend it. I wonder how many of these old sensors are still buried all over Vietnam & Laos.
Why do u talk so fast? Lay off the speed.
Speed up your comprehension, 👍.
Your documentaries are amazing keep em coming bro
why would the veitcong record themselves making bobby traps? sure looks like a cia propaganda film...