The only time you will see a battle like this where one side is just picking off dozens of tanks with one-shot without losing a single tank and it's actually accurate to real life. The Golan tank war was insane.
Honestly, the dubbing is pretty accurate for a tank crew. Not too exaggerated, spiked octaves of stress but blanketed under a mixture of exhaustion and their training to maintain with composure sinking in.
@@SpanishAvenger IDF magach 7c tanker here. among other trainings I was trained to fight in this very scenario. the original voice is close enough albeit the scene is exaggerated somewhat for the unsuspecting viewer. but the translation is indeed somewhat of a "cringe" in my opinion.
I always figured tank crews used very specific drills and commands, like we did in an LAV3. These guys just seem to be chatting. I never knew tank procedures were so lax.
@@SpanishAvenger The dub may be correct but it still sounds and looks extremely out of place, thus trash. It's like those adverts that have been voiced over that are just janky as all fuck.
I was a tanker in the Marine Corps, '87 to '91; cut my teeth on the M60A1, went to SWA for Desert Storm as a gunner on an M1A1. Going through the basic armor course at Ft. Knox, our mix of Army and Marine Corps instructors frequently referenced the strategy, tactics, and real-world combat exploits of IDF tankers as examples to illustrate the way armor warfare ought to be conducted. They almost seemed to have nothing but glowing praise and profound respect for their skill and tenacity, as though they were the gold standard for tank warfare.
Thing of it is though that the Israeli army at the time, same as the Arab armies too, did not have combined arms units for its military. If there had been infantry and artillery units attached to this one then they’d have wiped the floor with the Syrians even harder and we’d be talking about the 4 Days War instead.
I was stationed at Knox in 1980 when the M1 was known as the XM1 and was undergoing trials. I remember being on road marches and seeing those monsters rolling by! It was impressive to say the least.
If you were ever near French Creek in Camp Lejeune on the tank trails from '90-'92 may have bumped into you a time or two. I was a 1345 Heavy Equip. Op and we liked to use the same tank trails to get to certain areas. We built and maintained some of your tank targets as well.
@@Joe-kj4dm That new and shiny Abrams you mentioned, a good chance it was brand spanking new off the testing line. The battery count being 8 large vehicle units doesn't surprise me with how much power you need just to spin up a turbine engine if it's a ground motor. Having to idle and restart more often than aircraft would be a reason for it I'm guessing? I know that every war is surreal. But Desert Shield and fully Storm, looked like the most surreal, and 'odd' war in the whole list.
This tank battle, is an outstanding example of the tremendous advantage a good defensive position can give you. These guys were severely outnumbered, but due to them being able to have the high ground and good cover, they were able to absolutely massacre the invaders.
@@jaeger9654 I'm gonna disagree with you, HG. Among those who study military tactics the standard ratio for a successful assault on a defended position is 3 attackers to one defender. The battle you quote shows is an example of that ratio. Second thing: the Israeli tankers were mostly **successful** combat veterans. Yes, they were surprised and outnumbered, but they had confidence in the cause they were fighting for, the officers they were fighting under, and the training and equipment they were fighting with. The Arabs did not have any of those advantages. Third thing: The Egyptians and Syrians in the Sinai and Golan Heights came within a hair's width of exterminating Israel. The Yom Kippur War was a VERY near thing and every single IDF veteran of that war will tell you the same thing. The Israelis had to kill every last vehicle before the Arabs retreated. The Arab soldier is a brave man with a long and honorable tradition. Just because they lost doesn't mean they are cowards.
I think it’s a much better example of technology and training over numbers. Don’t forget the T55 and T62s used by the Syrian forces were over a decade out of date and the Sho’t Kal tanks were a couple of years old and built around one of the best tanks of the time the centurion.
@@robertofulton The assault regiments of were equipped with T64's [although admittedly not very many -- less than 100] and the Arabs were trained in the absolute latest in Soviet doctrine. In many ways the Soviets used the Yom Kippur War as a 'Spanish Civil War' type testing ground for their doctrine and equipment. The Arabs had Soviet style ADA too, which was a HUGE surprise to the IAF.
The design of Centurion (or most Western tanks) is such that u can depress the main gun to fire from behind cover/reverse slope. Soviet's tank is famous for being low profile but can't depress their main gun much -- good for flat plains massive charging.
@@glib683 Yep Soviet tank philosophy of the time was to have tanks that could charge into Germany before the EU and Americans could mount an effective defence
I served 27 years in the ADF, many as a tanker, l loved the centurion, and then the Leopard AS1, got out just after the M1 came into our service. I bloody loved this series, especially in Hebrew with subtitles, I cannot wait till the next season is released.
Just that its hard to get realistic tank action onto a screen. They are doing good work here. But the IDF platoon is WAY to close for a defensive position and the T tanks are not doing a movement-to-contact...nor contact drills
imagine being soo entitled and a crybaby bitch. you cant even watch a youtube video of some crappy movie or whatever without finding something to bitch about.
Also, Israeli tank commanders suffered high casualty rate (head wounds) because they liked to expose themselves to observe the battlefield -- brave, efficient but dangerous.
same with the germans in WW2... sometimes the difference in living and dying is seeing the other guy first, which is far more difficult buttoned up if you don't have some other way of observing your surroundings.
The German tankers like Carius were of the opinion that the advantages of tactical awareness outweighed the risk of injury with having your head out of the cupola. Carius almost paid the price for this as he bent down inside his Tiger I (with prominent, exposed cupola) for someone to light his cigarette when a Soviet round hit the cupola and took it clean off the tank.
The series shows how the syrians closed their hatches which led to their downfall as the Israelis just moved in between them while they were driving blind.
@@peterhopewell9344 though not as much anymore, thanks to advances in technology. Basically, a sensor suite has been developed (called 'iron vision') where you can button up completely and lose little in terms of situational awareness. Meaning that things like this are going to be only taught in introductory courses in the coming years.
This seems like the battle of L ridge when the IDF decimated the Egyptian T-62 tanks and taking cover from the L shaped ridge. Kinda like sniping missions really. SADF also learned from IDF in the 60s of their armored tanks.
man you can not know the context of the show from the title and you talk about Arab-Israel war History we all make mistakes Golan Heights are former syrian land taken by Israel after they won the first war the Arabs managed to take it back in october war but syrians run away like cowards and left Moroccan and iraqi soldiers without Air support after 2 days iraq Air force helped the last arab forces to leave the area Moral of the story if you want to help and fight for Arab country do not go to syria my uncle was fighting in syria and he was wounded when he came back to Morocco he told my grandfather he will never go to fight for the Syrians any more He died in 2004
@@SuperSmeggs - There's more to that. The Golen Heights allowed Syrian Artillery to rake considerable portions of Israel. Both Howitzers and Rocket Artillery. It was therefore vital and natural that Israel would take the Golen Heights. Otherwise, they would be destroyed by entrenched Artillery. Moral of the story. Israel has literally had to fight to survive. The Arbs said there was to be no peace with Israel. If the Israelis take, it is to survive not conquer.
@@justamoroccandude2588 thats true ! i know two other guys when the order came from Hafiz al Hmar to retriet while the others where fighting. Thd syrian regime a long story ! Betrayal and lies.
@@FLJBeliever1776 yes every country have a way to make thier soldiers believe that the other side hates them israel was made by UK to stop the rise of a new Islamic caliphate in the east that is the truth
So, I'm an ex-tanker; I served with the US 11thACR in Germany on the first generation of M1 Abrams a decade after this battle took place. I'm also a lifelong military historian and pretty well read-in on the Arab Israeli Wars. Now, none of this makes me an 'expert'. The only experts on a given battle are the men who were there, everything else is just opinion. Among my kind [old geezer historians], there is constant discussion about who the greatest commander of tank forces of all time was. A lot of names get passed around, Patton, Montgomery, several Germans [Manstein and Rommel mostly] and often a couple of Russians just to prove that we're not biased. And to all that I say 'Bullshit!' In my studied opinion, the Greatest Tank Commander Ever was Sgan Aluf [Lt. Col.] Avigdor Kahalani, IDF. Why? Because no other tank commander in history has saved his nation and his people with a short brigade of tanks. With fewer than 54 tanks from three different battalions and with no room to maneuver, Kahalani fought his ad hoc 77th Armored Brigade against determined and motivated forces that outnumbered him 5:1. And won. This should be a legendary feat of arms that rivals Kursk or the Bulge, but few Westerners know anything about it. And that's a Goddamn shame. Kahalani's book, "The Heights of Courage", should be required reading before anyone begins any discussion of maneuver warfare. And while I am applauding Col. Kahalani, he would have been nothing without the courage and determination of the men he commanded, several of whom were awarded the Itur HaGvura, or 'Medal for Valor', one of the rarest decorations for bravery in the world. For one example, I encourage you to look up Capt. Zvi Greengold. And for the record, the greatest tank crewman ever was Feldwebel Kurt Knispel [503rd sch. Panzer Abt.], who killed nearly 170 Russian tanks before he quit counting. And because he held the Nazis in contempt, he was never awarded the RK. And the greatest horse cavalry commander ever was Chinggis Khakhan [Gengis Khan]. Any opinion to the contrary is utterly mistaken.
@World Movies Bog rot. Ask your friends in the Muslim world where all that oil money went. You know, the money the West gave them and they promised to the refugees of Israel's victory in the War of Independence. Try and find out where all those jobs, farms, education, and assimilation went. Imagine how many lives would have been saved if Nasser, Sadat, Hussein [both Iraqi and Jordanite], Pahlavi, Assad, and whoever was the murderer in charge of Lebanon this month had actually abided by UN Resolutions 194 and 273, recognizing the existence of Israel and granting them membership in the UN. Instead, multiple regimes in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, the KSA and Gulf States used the refugees, now called 'Palestinians', as whipping boys and wet back labor. Instead of peace, the Muslim world chose war and has spent 75 years getting their asses handed to them every single generation since. Before you preach jihad over Israel's right to exist, why don't you find out how much brotherhood there is in the Muslim Brotherhood.
1. You don't fire that many rounds without changing your position. 2. If you have a failure to fire, the corrective action starts with the gunner trying his alternative triggers/master blaster and not the loader opening the breech (which could be very problematic in the case of a hang fire). 3. If you have a failure to fire, you don't stay hull down while you sort the problem out. You go back to turret down. 4. Having tanks that close together provides a very juicy target for arty and makes you all easier to spot. Laterally disperse your tanks with at least 50 meters between vehicles (terrain permitting). 5. Crew procedures seems about right. 6. Nice hitting them where the terrain channelizes their movement. All in all, not bad given the limitations of movie...
Lol, I was going to say somethi g about the "flaming overwatch" position they were in til I saw it was 1973 and remembered how little time they had to prepare for that fight...
I agree with complaint of soldiers and tanks too close to each other. Bunching up actors and vehicles in war films is a necessary evil in making a movie, because you have to tell a story requiring everyone to be present in a scene for emotional impact. It makes it easier on the audience, so they don't get confused with so many angles and cuts to show a scattered unit that is realistically trying to avoid being a single huge target. Plus managing crowd control with lots of soldiers and tanks requires more camera crews and time. Making movies is like making hot dogs. Sometimes you don't what to know how they make them.
I served in vietnam and on a M-48 90mm main gun this thing was out standing in range with H.E. and very good with canaster (shot-gun). Armor recon. 4th div.
The real secret weapon that the Centurion had that proved so important in this action, was the 105mm L7 cannon. Many historians believe it was the best tank gun of the whole Cold war period, with a superb reputation for accuracy. This was long before laser range finders and computers!!!
The Sh'ot Meteor was still a mainstay in the IDF with its 20pdr (two of the five brigades that ended up fighting on the Golan in 1973 were still equipped with the Sh'ot Meteor - they were not all converted to the Sh'ot Kal until 1974) - the Sh;ot Meteor were the ones that took the initial brunt of the fighting as the two brigades were considered unfit to fight anywhere else with their short range petrol engined Mk 3's and Mk 5's. While the upgraded Sh'ot Kal was very useful and capable in the Sinai
This is a superb series. I was so engrossed by it, I watched the entire series in one day! It brings home how the IDF had their backs against the wall in 1973, facing extremely heavy odds. The IDF performed superbly and with great courage and tenacity. I fully comprehend why the Israelis have such a tough, uncompromising attitude, they literally had to fight for survival in 1973. As a Brit, it is extremely gratifying to see just how well the superb Centurion served the IDF. RESPECT to the IDF which ultimately prevailed in 1973 due to sheer professionalism, high levels of training and skill, and above all, the great courage and determination of IDF soldiers. Delighted to hear that the UK and Israel are now engaging in closer military co-operation and joint training exercises.
@@rorylyons1091 Was the IDF culpable for the bombing of the KD Hotel? Did the IDF kidnap and hang two British Sgt's with piano wire from an olive tree? No. The IDF did not. The Irgun were responsible for that atrocity.
@@rorylyons1091 nor blowing the Iraqi’s power plant (during Iraqi-Iranian’s war 1980-1988) and the 9/11 incident with a multiple assassinations on USMCs in Iraq in 2004 and more and more assassinations on Arabian sciences,doctors,engineers and so on
Damaged or destroyed. The first few days saw heavy Israeli losses. But they held on. Sometimes by sheer ballsy moves, dumb luck, or Syrian ineptitude and Soviet Junk failing at the wrong times or even injuring or killing their own users. For all that is made of their simplicity, Soviet equipment often lacked the complex safety systems of their Western Counterparts. Even the AK-47 wasn't immune. It was a noise maker because of its loose parts. In deafening quiet, that noise got users shot at, and killed, by others who heard it.
@@FLJBeliever1776 myths like the AK making noise are bullshit like the garand ping. You're a soldier. You're full of loose equipment bouncing on you as you move, especially back in the days. If you're moving you're making noise.
@@Galf506 - True. Which is why I said defeaning quiet. By that, most people have already jettisoned loose gear to sneak around. But rattles can still be unique. Japanese soldiers found their loose dust covers on their weapons to be both noisy and fraying on nerves. Not too loud to be heard from a distance, but notable enough. Though I did hear that the AKs internals were tightened at some point. Military forces do investigate that and sometimes issues slip through. Like the US Army DID seriously consider the ping to be concerning enough to develop a new clip just in case.
@@FLJBeliever1776 no that's bullshit trust me. The ping in particular. You have ever heard a rifle fire? You're not going to hear any ping. These are all dumb myths.
Its is not the numbers (how many tanks or jetfighters you have) IT.. IS HOW.. YOU .. ORGANIZE... YOUR ARMY, AIRFORCE,... NAVY.... The right men / Women at the right place at the right moment. Greetings, Rik
I love the little details - missing and correcting aim, malfunctions, chewing out the one crew that's wasting their shots... All happening at a fast pace, with a clearly expert leader and capable crews.
i was there 15 years ago as journalist, visiting the austrian un-soldiers on the golan. we were not allowed to leave the tarmac of the street because of mines everywhere, but you could see dozens of burned out and rusty, destroyed t55. it was spooky to say the least
British Centurions MK1 and MK2 were originally built in the final days of WW2, and were too late to press into service. After the '73 Yom Kippur war, it was rumored that many Israeli mothers wanting their sons to join tank units, under one condition that their sons will be assigned to Centurions unit (because of the tank high survival rate in combat). That is incredible that moms even knew about the reputation of Centurion tanks.
Israelis are known for unmatched battle tactics, thats my respect for Israel. They are good and disciplined Warriors.. and they are equiped with up to standard technique. No one try to set trap on Israelis, as yet......
@@discardingsabot5898 , iook at it, but tday......where is that onslaught....and im out at it, middle european, from ex kommie land who was directed to support US Israel....
Well considering at that point the Israelis were still using Shermans (granted with a big ass gun upgrade) the Centurion was the tank you would rather be in. Personally I'd opt to be in the M60 Patton but wouldn't complain if I found myself in a Centurion.
There are eye witsness that survived a tank blast and manage to tell the tale. Most of them said that the interior walls turn into "lava" and that splashes everything like a shotgun.
As a child I lived in Egypt for several years (my dad was an engineer and they were brought in to help rebuild). 45 years later I can still vividly an Egyptian veteran in Port Said, he sat on a wooden board with 4 small wheels under it (office furniture movers use something similar with a rope to pull when moving large items). Both his legs were missing, in fact there didn't seem to be much of anything below his waist. He had rags wrapped around the palms and backs of his hands as he moved around by pushing with his fists, the rags where there to save the skin. As the Egyptian army had no benefits for disabled veterans he was begging from passersby. My father gave him some money and asked him what had happened, his tank had been hit, the driver and gunner killed instantly, the loader and this man (the commander) were injured but making their way out of the now burning tank. He had just gotten his arms and torso out of the hatch when the ammunition blew vaporizing his legs and killing the loader. There were many like him in Egypt, my father always gave them money but never again asked what had happened to them.
Great series! I've watched the entire show in one day. When visiting Israel some time ago I've taken some pics in Yad-La-Sharion museum in Latrun with my kid standing "inside" the tank which is cut in halves for observations - I was amazed when I knew they've shot all the scenes inside the tanks using that very cut-in-halves tank :-) Also I was admired at how Israeli society treats those who serve the army - even announcements in transport often begin with "Dear soldiers" - that is really touching. And also I remember one important thing in Yad-La-Sharion - there's a room where the one can type a name of his/her relative who is MIA or KIA and they'll show his/her photo on the wall so the one can spend some time remembering.
I lost two cousins ,one in the Golan Heights in 1967 war and the other in Sinai in 1973 both in tank /armored war. Note very Americans except ameri an jews can read or understand Hebrew.I am usa army infantry vet.
Israel appreciates the consequences of LOSING a conventional war. While, sure, they do have a credible NUCLEAR deterrent, they don't really want to have to resort to the "Samson Option". After all, things didn't work out so great for the Biblical Samson, did they?
Somehow, I feel like there was a missed opportunity to make this scene more suspenseful. The camera work could be different, and the guys should have more stress in their voices (yes, I know the way it was dubbed is part of the problem).
Agreed. Came out right at the end of WW2, yet so upgradable due to its size and layout. 105mm gun, now problem. More armor, no problem. Upgraded engines over the years. Great reliability. Considering the tanks the British had over the war, it was an amazing departure. Once the 105mm was on it is was one of the few tanks of its era capable of hitting targets reliably at 1500m+. Israelis make devastating effects of of the later as they got really good at long range gunnery in it. It wasn't until 1980s-era tanks with optics and ballistics computers did it get outpaced.
The IDF armor crews specialize in long range tank gunnery. Their Centurion tanks with the 105mm main gun was decisive in this engagement. Being able to range and hit the enemy at 2000 meters is very impressive.
British made 105mm Centurion Gun Tanks in the right hands they were very accurate and if you had a good loader then you could actually get rounds out of the barrel faster than a Chieftain.
That doesn't mean a thing when most of the audience doesn't understand Hebrew. It's such a minor language you have to dub if you want an international audience.
I prefer the dub. If there are subtitles, it is difficult to read, AND pay attention to the Action. There are a Lot of things occurring simultaneously!
The dubbing doesn't match the lip movements at all, and that's fine. It's honestly really good voice work for the most part. Really believable for a tank crew.
I had the utmost respect for Israelis soldiers. such a short time they learnt and build up a formidable military against bigger enemy and beat them. thank you to israel for helping Singapore build up our army when we first had our independence against a also very hostile environment. Thank you. I won’t forget
Former US Army M1A1 Gunner here. They sound waaaaaay too relaxed and their fire commands are waaaaay too stretched out (for example the "FIREEEEEEE !!" from the TC). It's not at all how this would go. Especially being outnumbered that hard. To give you an example of how this would sound inside an M1 Abrams in 2022 : Gunner : "Identified tank 1200 meters" *WHILE I AM STILL SAYING THIS, the TC already gives the "driver move up" command so the gun barrel is over the defilade (aKa poking over our cover/concealment position, so I can squeeze my trigger ASAP and save some precious seconds). TC : "Gunner SABOT Tank" (basically telling me to put a SABOT round in that tank). *At this point, our tank is almost done moving up.* Gunner : "On the way." *BOOM* *AS SOON AS THE GUN GOES OFF, TC watches the round impact on target and says "Target target driver back down." so as to minimize exposure time while confirming the kill to me.* *By this time I ALREADY swung the gun over to the next target without even observing the impact of my round on the first target, again to save precious seconds and take out AS MANY threats as possible in the least amount of time !* *Loader EMEDIATLY loads another SABOT round within 5 seconds time and yells "up!" Rinse & repeat... There's no bullshit chatter going on. There's no drawn out fire commands like "fiiireeeeee" (it actually sounds more like "Gunnersabottank onthew*BOOM*ay"). I wrote all this out because i'm honestly disappointed in how many people think (even swear) this is how shit really goes down. It absolutely does not. Tank on tank warfare is extremely fast, and for good reason. When you are shooting at each other with such devastating weaponry, usually the tank that shoots first is the one that wins. In other words, the fastest crew wins. Time slows down & every second feels like an eternity, and the whole situation is nerve-racking because you know if you get hit, you're probably not gonna just be wounded. No. Your guts and flesh will either splatter all over the place, or you will burn alive.
The Israelis were improvising at the time. Which is how they manage to outmaneuver 5x stronger enemies. Things weren't so structural at the time there. Maybe by today things are more formal and strict
I trained to be a tanker at 17. Being a tank crew member was one of the greatest experiences of my life. Tank Commander; Gunner, Sabot tank. Loader; up! Gunner; on the way! Tank commander; driver get us outta here! Tank Commander, Gunner Heat track! Loader; up! Gunner; on the way! T.C. Target, target! Chewing tobacco, chewing tobacco! Spit, spit, spit! If you ain’t a tanker! You ain’t shit!
@@dartmaster501 Until you die ... i too was in a tank crew as gunner/loader during the height of the Cold War. Leo 2 A3. When you realized that in case of a real war your average life expectancy in combat was only several hours ... not so funny anymore.
@@harzzachseniorgamer5516 Lighten up. You and I both survived. But, you never invaded Iraq twice facing an opponent that had the hardware to kill you. And I was in the lead elements in DS. So, if I want to joke about it (BTW the line is from the movie Fury), then I have every right to.
What they don’t show is when firing a HEAT (high explosive anti tank ) round, the front of the tank will come off the ground about a foot from the recoil.
[11/18/2021] Despite the misses in this portrayal; IDF tank gunnery was always superior to the Arab tankers. Back in the day Arab tank gunners using Soviet tank doctrine would only open fire at approx. 900m, whereas IDF crews would routinely practice, and open fire at 1,800m with their 105 mm.
Difference was in the shell type. Centurion (Sh-ot) had basically 2 type aside from smoke: APDS (high speed kinetic energy round and very flat trajectory hence easy 1st shot kill up to 2000 metres. After that iffy. This ammunition creates huge wear on the main gun.), and HESH (relatively slower and explosive, arced trajectory, hence range-finding and decent proficiency required to land shots at distances up to 5000Metres but is kinder to the barrel of the main gun.). When fighting tanks with the Centurion, the preferred round is APDS which sags about 1Metre over a kilometer, so is point and shoot with a fairly high likelihood of a 1st shot kill although double-tapping was common practice. Usually the mix of onboard battle load varied, but generally the APDS was in short(er) supply, so often crews were forced to use HESH more often. In this scene, the fire-dril used was for HESH (as can be heard when referring to Squash-Head round loaded.). Weird enough, some landed shots showed only impact )indicating APDS hits&misses while others showed a tell-tale external explosion indicating HESH. IDF extensively used HESH since it also is quite effective against blowing up area targets and longer ranges , whereas the APDS would only punch a neat hole and would lose a lot its potency, accuracy and effect over 2000 metres. Another defining advantage for defending IDF Centurions was that they had vastly better declination than the T-54/55 and T62 tanks. Thus they could stay deeper in cover (Hull-down and even partially Turret-down) which makes them a smaller target for an attacker and more difficult to place an effective hit. The Centurion was also decently armoured and thus very well suited for defense. This scene took place on the Golan-Heights against the Syrian army which fielded mostly T54/55 and only later deployed the theoretically superior (but failing and under-performing) T62. The Syrian army did not use ATGMs to the extent that the Egyptian army did in the Sinai, since those were mostly Infantry operated and the Syrian army by doctrine relied on the tank-force to do the break-in and exploit with Infantry mostly following in 2nd echelon.
@@Centurion101B3C Good to know that the IDF made effective use of the High Explosive Squash Head rounds. The Brits like it a lot, but otherwise it didn't seem very popular in the Western militaries. Saggers in the Sinai really did hammer the unsuspecting Israeli armour units. Saw some videos where guidance wires were all over the battlefield.
Helps that you have a gun and shell that's ACCURATE at that range. Soviet-made tank guns were notoriously inaccurate, due to "slop" in gun manufacture (emphasizing production quantity over quality), and likewise the tank rounds. This had been a problem during the "Great Patriotic War" as well, especially once the Germans were almost always on the defensive, and had their tanks and tank destroyers "lie in wait" for Soviet armor to advance, picking them off with the greater range and accuracy of THEIR guns, and counting on typically THICKER frontal armor to keep the Soviet response from being effective even if they managed to score a hit. The STAVKA was well aware of this, but the demands of the war forced them to make do with what they could mass produce, including TANKERS. For THEM, "quantity" DID have the necessary "quality" all its own...including the Germans having to fight the UK and the USA as well, who matched them for "quality" overall. The Arabs weren't so fortunate when employing that strategy against the IDF.
And Montgomery's tactic and how Monty manage to use Alam Halfa Ridge to his advantage against Rommel's forces back in north africa ww2. Let the Ridge beats up against them. Much in this siuation, where they use their dug out and them the Syrian come close and let the dug out beats up against the syrian, who didn't even know where they being firing at.
Stirring, yes. But I don't think it is the tank commander in real life who yells, "Fire!" The gunner would determine when he should fire. He is the one lining up the sights. But it is more exciting this way.
The scene is English-dubbed, In the original Hebrew voicing, those command are as follow: Gunner: "Al!"= "On!" (Sight on target) TC: "Esh!"="Fire!" (Upon confirmation TC give order to gunner) Gunner: [couldn't exactly spelled it right other than trying to pronounce it phonetically] "Yowe!" = "Firing" (Gunner's way of saying "On the Way")
Centurions FTW! A good sequence. The crew chat seems fairly on for armoured folks. Too bad they felt compelled to use the fake, black figure 8 binocular POV that so many movie makers use. Sheesh. Memo to film makers: take 30 secs and actually look through a set of binos and see what it looks like! I don't know why Hollywood et al insist on using this old gimmick. Likely because they think the audience is stupid. IIRC, Fauda got it right. So why can't Valley? Interesting fact, Canada was replacing its Centurions in the 70s and gave them to Israel. The Israelis up-gunned and up-engined them and wound up with pretty good tanks in the end.
This series is one of the best war series ever made. Though it should be seen in the original language as should all movies and shows. Dubbing should just be banned period!
I don't agree, while a lot of movies are surely worth watching in the original language, a lot of people simply can't keep up reading the subtitles and watching the scene and it ends up just reading the subtitles without enjoying the movie. Also in some cases subtitles are too long for the screen so they write a simplified version of the character line and you lose some some details of it. Sometimes the dubbing can even improve the movie/ serie, as bad acting can be compensated by great dubbing. There is a reason they are called voice *actors* right?
@@Josh-bf6ht All the more reason to dub. Even those with low reading skills should be able to watch this and learn. That said, I'm going to look for this, didn't know this was a thing.
@@Josh-bf6ht you do understand there are people with brain injuries like me who have trouble reading words on anything but black text with a white background? Or like me before that and worked too damn long to read subtitles on their entertainment choices... Just saying...
The only time you will see a battle like this where one side is just picking off dozens of tanks with one-shot without losing a single tank and it's actually accurate to real life. The Golan tank war was insane.
well that and desert storm.
So you’ve never heard of Medina Ridge or 73 Easting eh?
@@freakingabagool3510 Fucking 73 Easting man. Absolute slaughter.
Desert storm. An not tanks but the defence kf port Stanley, the Royal marines pimp slapped the invading argues
Kursk was insene. That was nothing big.
Honestly, the dubbing is pretty accurate for a tank crew. Not too exaggerated, spiked octaves of stress but blanketed under a mixture of exhaustion and their training to maintain with composure sinking in.
Exactly. I don’t know what the people raging over the dubbing are expecting exactly, like… why the fuck are they calling it “trash”!?
Yeah, luckily here, in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium (and The Netherlands), we hardly ever use dubbing, except for kids movies maybe.....
@@SpanishAvenger IDF magach 7c tanker here. among other trainings I was trained to fight in this very scenario. the original voice is close enough albeit the scene is exaggerated somewhat for the unsuspecting viewer. but the translation is indeed somewhat of a "cringe" in my opinion.
I always figured tank crews used very specific drills and commands, like we did in an LAV3. These guys just seem to be chatting. I never knew tank procedures were so lax.
@@SpanishAvenger The dub may be correct but it still sounds and looks extremely out of place, thus trash.
It's like those adverts that have been voiced over that are just janky as all fuck.
I was a tanker in the Marine Corps, '87 to '91; cut my teeth on the M60A1, went to SWA for Desert Storm as a gunner on an M1A1.
Going through the basic armor course at Ft. Knox, our mix of Army and Marine Corps instructors frequently referenced the strategy, tactics, and real-world combat exploits of IDF tankers as examples to illustrate the way armor warfare ought to be conducted. They almost seemed to have nothing but glowing praise and profound respect for their skill and tenacity, as though they were the gold standard for tank warfare.
And they weren't even trained in world class academies at the time. This was pure brains and tenacity.
Thing of it is though that the Israeli army at the time, same as the Arab armies too, did not have combined arms units for its military. If there had been infantry and artillery units attached to this one then they’d have wiped the floor with the Syrians even harder and we’d be talking about the 4 Days War instead.
I was stationed at Knox in 1980 when the M1 was known as the XM1 and was undergoing trials. I remember being on road marches and seeing those monsters rolling by! It was impressive to say the least.
If you were ever near French Creek in Camp Lejeune on the tank trails from '90-'92 may have bumped into you a time or two. I was a 1345 Heavy Equip. Op and we liked to use the same tank trails to get to certain areas. We built and maintained some of your tank targets as well.
@@Joe-kj4dm That new and shiny Abrams you mentioned, a good chance it was brand spanking new off the testing line. The battery count being 8 large vehicle units doesn't surprise me with how much power you need just to spin up a turbine engine if it's a ground motor. Having to idle and restart more often than aircraft would be a reason for it I'm guessing? I know that every war is surreal. But Desert Shield and fully Storm, looked like the most surreal, and 'odd' war in the whole list.
This tank battle, is an outstanding example of the tremendous advantage a good defensive position can give you. These guys were severely outnumbered, but due to them being able to have the high ground and good cover, they were able to absolutely massacre the invaders.
If u read about the knight where 2 Israeli tank wreck havoc dosen arab tank. Its the ara who are noob
@@jaeger9654 I'm gonna disagree with you, HG.
Among those who study military tactics the standard ratio for a successful assault on a defended position is 3 attackers to one defender. The battle you quote shows is an example of that ratio.
Second thing: the Israeli tankers were mostly **successful** combat veterans. Yes, they were surprised and outnumbered, but they had confidence in the cause they were fighting for, the officers they were fighting under, and the training and equipment they were fighting with. The Arabs did not have any of those advantages.
Third thing: The Egyptians and Syrians in the Sinai and Golan Heights came within a hair's width of exterminating Israel. The Yom Kippur War was a VERY near thing and every single IDF veteran of that war will tell you the same thing. The Israelis had to kill every last vehicle before the Arabs retreated. The Arab soldier is a brave man with a long and honorable tradition. Just because they lost doesn't mean they are cowards.
Bullshit, it is a farce. A comedy. Not real.
I think it’s a much better example of technology and training over numbers. Don’t forget the T55 and T62s used by the Syrian forces were over a decade out of date and the Sho’t Kal tanks were a couple of years old and built around one of the best tanks of the time the centurion.
@@robertofulton The assault regiments of were equipped with T64's [although admittedly not very many -- less than 100] and the Arabs were trained in the absolute latest in Soviet doctrine. In many ways the Soviets used the Yom Kippur War as a 'Spanish Civil War' type testing ground for their doctrine and equipment. The Arabs had Soviet style ADA too, which was a HUGE surprise to the IAF.
The design of Centurion (or most Western tanks) is such that u can depress the main gun to fire from behind cover/reverse slope. Soviet's tank is famous for being low profile but can't depress their main gun much -- good for flat plains massive charging.
Yeah the USSR simply operated with a different doctrine. They saw tanks as an offensive rather than defensive weapon.
@@glib683 Yep Soviet tank philosophy of the time was to have tanks that could charge into Germany before the EU and Americans could mount an effective defence
Most T-72s have dozer and they can prepare sloped trench quickly.
@@xmeda I've never seen a dozer on a T-72
Soviets are all about speed
I served 27 years in the ADF, many as a tanker, l loved the centurion, and then the Leopard AS1, got out just after the M1 came into our service. I bloody loved this series, especially in Hebrew with subtitles, I cannot wait till the next season is released.
Just that its hard to get realistic tank action onto a screen. They are doing good work here. But the IDF platoon is WAY to close for a defensive position and the T tanks are not doing a movement-to-contact...nor contact drills
ADF?
@@perperson199 Australian Defence Force
@@perperson199 right.......
I haven't seen this series I might take a look at it as I love tanks 😍
My Granddad used to Drive Centurions, but then he tragically got fed up with them after WoT nerfed them.
God damn Russian BIAS!!!
I'm here for the tanks, not for the acting.Those Centurions are sweet.
Shot Kal*
better than those crappy Soviet made T-62s
Better you see the Olifant Mk2, the final form of the Centurion
@@lukasbauer586 Humm not so crappy. But yeah I would say "old" by this time T-72 was already out.
And effective to, definitely one of the great post WW2 tanks.
Just have English subtitles and have them speaking in Hebrew because the dubbing was about as good as a 1970’s Kung Fu Movie.
Not even close. Their lip sync was too good.
The bad dubbing makes it better.
This is insulting 1970's Kung Fu movies.
This sounds like the auto-generated commands you get playing World of Tanks. Terrible.
imagine being soo entitled and a crybaby bitch. you cant even watch a youtube video of some crappy movie or whatever without finding something to bitch about.
One of the best war series ever made.
Also, Israeli tank commanders suffered high casualty rate (head wounds) because they liked to expose themselves to observe the battlefield -- brave, efficient but dangerous.
same with the germans in WW2... sometimes the difference in living and dying is seeing the other guy first, which is far more difficult buttoned up if you don't have some other way of observing your surroundings.
The German tankers like Carius were of the opinion that the advantages of tactical awareness outweighed the risk of injury with having your head out of the cupola. Carius almost paid the price for this as he bent down inside his Tiger I (with prominent, exposed cupola) for someone to light his cigarette when a Soviet round hit the cupola and took it clean off the tank.
Fighting open hatch means you can see the terrain much better. Fighting buttoned up puts you at a distinct disadvantage.
The series shows how the syrians closed their hatches which led to their downfall as the Israelis just moved in between them while they were driving blind.
@@peterhopewell9344 though not as much anymore, thanks to advances in technology.
Basically, a sensor suite has been developed (called 'iron vision') where you can button up completely and lose little in terms of situational awareness. Meaning that things like this are going to be only taught in introductory courses in the coming years.
This seems like the battle of L ridge when the IDF decimated the Egyptian T-62 tanks and taking cover from the L shaped ridge. Kinda like sniping missions really. SADF also learned from IDF in the 60s of their armored tanks.
man you can not know the context of the show from the title and you talk about Arab-Israel war History
we all make mistakes Golan Heights are former syrian land taken by Israel after they won the first war
the Arabs managed to take it back in october war but syrians run away like cowards and left Moroccan and iraqi soldiers without Air support after 2 days iraq Air force helped the last arab forces to leave the area
Moral of the story if you want to help and fight for Arab country do not go to syria
my uncle was fighting in syria and he was wounded when he came back to Morocco he told my grandfather he will never go to fight for the Syrians any more He died in 2004
@@justamoroccandude2588 you and your grandfather are Jewish imperialists
@@SuperSmeggs - There's more to that. The Golen Heights allowed Syrian Artillery to rake considerable portions of Israel. Both Howitzers and Rocket Artillery. It was therefore vital and natural that Israel would take the Golen Heights.
Otherwise, they would be destroyed by entrenched Artillery.
Moral of the story. Israel has literally had to fight to survive. The Arbs said there was to be no peace with Israel. If the Israelis take, it is to survive not conquer.
@@justamoroccandude2588 thats true ! i know two other guys when the order came from Hafiz al Hmar to retriet while the others where fighting. Thd syrian regime a long story ! Betrayal and lies.
@@FLJBeliever1776 yes every country have a way to make thier soldiers believe that the other side hates them israel was made by UK to stop the rise of a new Islamic caliphate in the east that is the truth
So, I'm an ex-tanker; I served with the US 11thACR in Germany on the first generation of M1 Abrams a decade after this battle took place.
I'm also a lifelong military historian and pretty well read-in on the Arab Israeli Wars. Now, none of this makes me an 'expert'. The only experts on a given battle are the men who were there, everything else is just opinion.
Among my kind [old geezer historians], there is constant discussion about who the greatest commander of tank forces of all time was. A lot of names get passed around, Patton, Montgomery, several Germans [Manstein and Rommel mostly] and often a couple of Russians just to prove that we're not biased.
And to all that I say 'Bullshit!'
In my studied opinion, the Greatest Tank Commander Ever was Sgan Aluf [Lt. Col.] Avigdor Kahalani, IDF.
Why? Because no other tank commander in history has saved his nation and his people with a short brigade of tanks. With fewer than 54 tanks from three different battalions and with no room to maneuver, Kahalani fought his ad hoc 77th Armored Brigade against determined and motivated forces that outnumbered him 5:1. And won.
This should be a legendary feat of arms that rivals Kursk or the Bulge, but few Westerners know anything about it. And that's a Goddamn shame. Kahalani's book, "The Heights of Courage", should be required reading before anyone begins any discussion of maneuver warfare.
And while I am applauding Col. Kahalani, he would have been nothing without the courage and determination of the men he commanded, several of whom were awarded the Itur HaGvura, or 'Medal for Valor', one of the rarest decorations for bravery in the world. For one example, I encourage you to look up Capt. Zvi Greengold.
And for the record, the greatest tank crewman ever was Feldwebel Kurt Knispel [503rd sch. Panzer Abt.], who killed nearly 170 Russian tanks before he quit counting. And because he held the Nazis in contempt, he was never awarded the RK.
And the greatest horse cavalry commander ever was Chinggis Khakhan [Gengis Khan]. Any opinion to the contrary is utterly mistaken.
How does an old USMC 8541 subscribe to your newsletter?
@@DavidAR101 Well, I appreciate the thought, but I don't have one 🙂
I agree and look forward to additional studies.
@World Movies So are the Palestinians. So what?
@World Movies Bog rot.
Ask your friends in the Muslim world where all that oil money went. You know, the money the West gave them and they promised to the refugees of Israel's victory in the War of Independence. Try and find out where all those jobs, farms, education, and assimilation went. Imagine how many lives would have been saved if Nasser, Sadat, Hussein [both Iraqi and Jordanite], Pahlavi, Assad, and whoever was the murderer in charge of Lebanon this month had actually abided by UN Resolutions 194 and 273, recognizing the existence of Israel and granting them membership in the UN.
Instead, multiple regimes in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, the KSA and Gulf States used the refugees, now called 'Palestinians', as whipping boys and wet back labor. Instead of peace, the Muslim world chose war and has spent 75 years getting their asses handed to them every single generation since.
Before you preach jihad over Israel's right to exist, why don't you find out how much brotherhood there is in the Muslim Brotherhood.
Great depiction of alternating between hull down and turret down positions.
The Centurion went from being a great tank to an absolute legend.
When you're back is against the wall, you simply must win.
1. You don't fire that many rounds without changing your position.
2. If you have a failure to fire, the corrective action starts with the gunner trying his alternative triggers/master blaster and not the loader opening the breech (which could be very problematic in the case of a hang fire).
3. If you have a failure to fire, you don't stay hull down while you sort the problem out. You go back to turret down.
4. Having tanks that close together provides a very juicy target for arty and makes you all easier to spot. Laterally disperse your tanks with at least 50 meters between vehicles (terrain permitting).
5. Crew procedures seems about right.
6. Nice hitting them where the terrain channelizes their movement.
All in all, not bad given the limitations of movie...
Yeah, I was yelling "racehorse, racehorse!" at the screen after those first two rounds...
@@russwatson8275 Its terrible being a tanker watching tank movies.
Can't just enjoy the moment...
Lol, I was going to say somethi g about the "flaming overwatch" position they were in til I saw it was 1973 and remembered how little time they had to prepare for that fight...
Yeah, I wondered why they didn't back up immediately after the gun jammed!
I agree with complaint of soldiers and tanks too close to each other. Bunching up actors and vehicles in war films is a necessary evil in making a movie, because you have to tell a story requiring everyone to be present in a scene for emotional impact. It makes it easier on the audience, so they don't get confused with so many angles and cuts to show a scattered unit that is realistically trying to avoid being a single huge target. Plus managing crowd control with lots of soldiers and tanks requires more camera crews and time. Making movies is like making hot dogs. Sometimes you don't what to know how they make them.
I served in vietnam and on a M-48 90mm main gun this thing was out standing in range with H.E. and very good with canaster (shot-gun). Armor recon. 4th div.
Dubbing should be criminalised
There's a special place in hell for the people who do it.
Why
I don’t understand
In English? Definitely
Ikr. But people are too lazy or dumb to read subtitles and see the screen at the same time.
The real secret weapon that the Centurion had that proved so important in this action, was the 105mm L7 cannon.
Many historians believe it was the best tank gun of the whole Cold war period, with a superb reputation for accuracy.
This was long before laser range finders and computers!!!
The L7 gun was the best in its day. APDS and HESH were the perfect ammo combination.
Further to that, the L64 APFSDS made the L7 a World beater in its day. The Israelis had their own version developed by IMI.
Seems 2km is max range to engage today its much further up to 4kms
And the IDF didn't even have great NIGHT VISION in the '73 war. They FIXED that!
The Sh'ot Meteor was still a mainstay in the IDF with its 20pdr (two of the five brigades that ended up fighting on the Golan in 1973 were still equipped with the Sh'ot Meteor - they were not all converted to the Sh'ot Kal until 1974) - the Sh;ot Meteor were the ones that took the initial brunt of the fighting as the two brigades were considered unfit to fight anywhere else with their short range petrol engined Mk 3's and Mk 5's. While the upgraded Sh'ot Kal was very useful and capable in the Sinai
Centurion.....say no more.......simply the best.
But there only one problem. Back in those day, Israel have far too few of them. the rest, is either M50 super sherman or Magach or M48 Patton
This is Schlomturiom!
@@vladimirvojtaml What?
yes it was good vs export version russian tanks with no good opticks end no trained crew
This is a superb series. I was so engrossed by it, I watched the entire series in one day! It brings home how the IDF had their backs against the wall in 1973, facing extremely heavy odds. The IDF performed superbly and with great courage and tenacity. I fully comprehend why the Israelis have such a tough, uncompromising attitude, they literally had to fight for survival in 1973. As a Brit, it is extremely gratifying to see just how well the superb Centurion served the IDF. RESPECT to the IDF which ultimately prevailed in 1973 due to sheer professionalism, high levels of training and skill, and above all, the great courage and determination of IDF soldiers. Delighted to hear that the UK and Israel are now engaging in closer military co-operation and joint training exercises.
Why don't you blow them a big kiss for blowing up the King David hotel and hanging British squaddie's in olive groves while you're at it.
@@rorylyons1091 Was the IDF culpable for the bombing of the KD Hotel? Did the IDF kidnap and hang two British Sgt's with piano wire from an olive tree? No. The IDF did not. The Irgun were responsible for that atrocity.
@@liverpoolscottish6430 same thing
@@rorylyons1091 nor blowing the Iraqi’s power plant (during Iraqi-Iranian’s war 1980-1988) and the 9/11 incident with a multiple assassinations on USMCs in Iraq in 2004 and more and more assassinations on Arabian sciences,doctors,engineers and so on
Hope the Brits dont have a "USS Liberty".
I believe every IDF tank was actually damaged in that engagement.
Damaged or destroyed. The first few days saw heavy Israeli losses. But they held on. Sometimes by sheer ballsy moves, dumb luck, or Syrian ineptitude and Soviet Junk failing at the wrong times or even injuring or killing their own users.
For all that is made of their simplicity, Soviet equipment often lacked the complex safety systems of their Western Counterparts.
Even the AK-47 wasn't immune. It was a noise maker because of its loose parts. In deafening quiet, that noise got users shot at, and killed, by others who heard it.
@@FLJBeliever1776 myths like the AK making noise are bullshit like the garand ping. You're a soldier. You're full of loose equipment bouncing on you as you move, especially back in the days. If you're moving you're making noise.
@@Galf506 - True. Which is why I said defeaning quiet. By that, most people have already jettisoned loose gear to sneak around. But rattles can still be unique.
Japanese soldiers found their loose dust covers on their weapons to be both noisy and fraying on nerves.
Not too loud to be heard from a distance, but notable enough.
Though I did hear that the AKs internals were tightened at some point. Military forces do investigate that and sometimes issues slip through. Like the US Army DID seriously consider the ping to be concerning enough to develop a new clip just in case.
@@Galf506 There is a reason machine gunners were often killed within seconds of a battle. They are very very loud!
@@FLJBeliever1776 no that's bullshit trust me. The ping in particular. You have ever heard a rifle fire? You're not going to hear any ping. These are all dumb myths.
Its is not the numbers (how many tanks or jetfighters you have) IT.. IS HOW.. YOU .. ORGANIZE... YOUR ARMY, AIRFORCE,... NAVY.... The right men / Women at the right place at the right moment.
Greetings, Rik
Very nicely donw movie. Reminded me a bit of "Zulu" from 1964
I love the little details - missing and correcting aim, malfunctions, chewing out the one crew that's wasting their shots... All happening at a fast pace, with a clearly expert leader and capable crews.
It points out that these Israeli tankers weren't "supermen", they were MEN...who did a SUPER-lative job!
Massive Crew cuts, for dysfunctional crew dialog.. but for non-tankers, this is a semi-good brief/visual of tactical tanker gunnery.
i was there 15 years ago as journalist, visiting the austrian un-soldiers on the golan. we were not allowed to leave the tarmac of the street because of mines everywhere, but you could see dozens of burned out and rusty, destroyed t55. it was spooky to say the least
Just shows how important visibility and training are, 2 critical weaknesses in Soviet-style armoured doctrine
My uncle was a Centurion tank commander back in the 80s. He loved them
I liked this depiction of a tank battle. Good use of the berm on top of the ridge.
No greater love hath a man, than that when he shall give his life for them.
British Centurions MK1 and MK2 were originally built in the final days of WW2, and were too late to press into service. After the '73 Yom Kippur war, it was rumored that many Israeli mothers wanting their sons to join tank units, under one condition that their sons will be assigned to Centurions unit (because of the tank high survival rate in combat). That is incredible that moms even knew about the reputation of Centurion tanks.
Israelis are known for unmatched battle tactics, thats my respect for Israel. They are good and disciplined Warriors.. and they are equiped with up to standard technique. No one try to set trap on Israelis, as yet......
@@miroslavdockal9468 Look up Egyptians sagger missiles and the Yom Kippur war, you moron
@@miroslavdockal9468 If they lose there families will be slaughtered, quite motivated too.
@@discardingsabot5898 , iook at it, but tday......where is that onslaught....and im out at it, middle european, from ex kommie land who was directed to support US Israel....
Well considering at that point the Israelis were still using Shermans (granted with a big ass gun upgrade) the Centurion was the tank you would rather be in. Personally I'd opt to be in the M60 Patton but wouldn't complain if I found myself in a Centurion.
Tanking is all fun and games until you take a look at what happens at the receiving end.
Well, War is hell.
war is war. hell is hell.
There are eye witsness that survived a tank blast and manage to tell the tale. Most of them said that the interior walls turn into "lava" and that splashes everything like a shotgun.
As a child I lived in Egypt for several years (my dad was an engineer and they were brought in to help rebuild). 45 years later I can still vividly an Egyptian veteran in Port Said, he sat on a wooden board with 4 small wheels under it (office furniture movers use something similar with a rope to pull when moving large items). Both his legs were missing, in fact there didn't seem to be much of anything below his waist. He had rags wrapped around the palms and backs of his hands as he moved around by pushing with his fists, the rags where there to save the skin. As the Egyptian army had no benefits for disabled veterans he was begging from passersby. My father gave him some money and asked him what had happened, his tank had been hit, the driver and gunner killed instantly, the loader and this man (the commander) were injured but making their way out of the now burning tank. He had just gotten his arms and torso out of the hatch when the ammunition blew vaporizing his legs and killing the loader. There were many like him in Egypt, my father always gave them money but never again asked what had happened to them.
@@forbeshutton5487 Thank you for sharing your story.
Tanker here...this is pretty accurate!! Clearly someone in the studio knew about tank tactics.
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Intense battle but I'm with the others here; I'll take the original Hebrew dialogue.
Bless them, amazing scene.
Time to watch this again
As an IDF veteran, this scene brought tears to my eyes.
Did you swear your oath atop Masada?
@@donarthiazi2443 well that's a random question. No I did not. My tekes hashba'a was at the Kotel.
@@Impulset0
So you were not a tanker then?
@@donarthiazi2443 No. Infantry.
@@Impulset0
Cool. I was too. Infantryman with the 7th ID at Fort Ord, California(back when there still WAS a Fort Ord).
Centurion design was so far ahead of its time. Still a great looking tank.
Great series! I've watched the entire show in one day. When visiting Israel some time ago I've taken some pics in Yad-La-Sharion museum in Latrun with my kid standing "inside" the tank which is cut in halves for observations - I was amazed when I knew they've shot all the scenes inside the tanks using that very cut-in-halves tank :-) Also I was admired at how Israeli society treats those who serve the army - even announcements in transport often begin with "Dear soldiers" - that is really touching. And also I remember one important thing in Yad-La-Sharion - there's a room where the one can type a name of his/her relative who is MIA or KIA and they'll show his/her photo on the wall so the one can spend some time remembering.
For Israelis, they truly owe their lives to their soldiers. A loss in any of the Arab-Israeli wars would mean total destruction for Israel
I lost two cousins ,one in the Golan Heights in 1967 war and the other in Sinai in 1973 both in tank /armored war. Note very Americans except ameri an jews can read or understand Hebrew.I am usa army infantry vet.
Israel appreciates the consequences of LOSING a conventional war. While, sure, they do have a credible NUCLEAR deterrent, they don't really want to have to resort to the "Samson Option". After all, things didn't work out so great for the Biblical Samson, did they?
I remember this was in epic tank battles of history! What a fight!
Always awed by mere kids fighting so valiantly.
The point of the show it's to watch it in Hebrew cant English speakers read subtitles?
It's really bad dubbing too
@@sinarouhi3966 true
@@sinarouhi3966 Let's not kid ourselves. All dubbings are awful, no matter the language or the film.
Americans cannot. Rest of the English speaking world can.
Cannot as well. There fixed it for you.
"Adjusting to the left"
*moves turret to the right*
Hebrew is written from right to left.
So?
@@gpwnedable How does that change which way left is?
Left is still
At the beginning, it looked like the loader (up) a sabot round. Army vet; 8 Infantry (mechanized) M60A1 & M60A2.
Wonderful
Seeing those tanks crest the IV line, my tank commander would be like “gunner,sabot,tank!” Laze n blaze.
Somehow, I feel like there was a missed opportunity to make this scene more suspenseful. The camera work could be different, and the guys should have more stress in their voices (yes, I know the way it was dubbed is part of the problem).
after the initial couple of minutes (or seconds!) there is not much open emotion: guys are busy doing their job, staying alert and cohesive.
Professionals don't tend to freak out. See actual war videos for proof.
It's way better in Hebrew. Great acting carries a scene far better than anything else.
I don't remember us crew jumping around so much on Cheiftain when we fire the main armament and that was a 120 mm!!
Success through superior firepower!
The Centurion was a seriously good tank
Agreed. Came out right at the end of WW2, yet so upgradable due to its size and layout. 105mm gun, now problem. More armor, no problem. Upgraded engines over the years. Great reliability. Considering the tanks the British had over the war, it was an amazing departure. Once the 105mm was on it is was one of the few tanks of its era capable of hitting targets reliably at 1500m+. Israelis make devastating effects of of the later as they got really good at long range gunnery in it. It wasn't until 1980s-era tanks with optics and ballistics computers did it get outpaced.
@@BW022 Long range gunnery skills and the Centurion..scary.
@@BW022 The British Cars were so problematic, yet the Centurion & it's variations is a Gem.
@@biggerhammer Cars designed for the Northern Hemisphere.. not the middle east..British Tanks not so.
As an American tank enjoyer, yes the Centurion is the best cold war MBT
The IDF armor crews specialize in long range tank gunnery. Their Centurion tanks with the 105mm main gun was decisive in this engagement. Being able to range and hit the enemy at 2000 meters is very impressive.
Did a paper on this battle back in the 90s. Want to see this movie now.
Great series
British made 105mm Centurion Gun Tanks in the right hands they were very accurate and if you had a good loader then you could actually get rounds out of the barrel faster than a Chieftain.
It just doesn't have the samw impact as it has in hebrew...
6/10
That doesn't mean a thing when most of the audience doesn't understand Hebrew. It's such a minor language you have to dub if you want an international audience.
I prefer the dub. If there are subtitles, it is difficult to read, AND pay attention to the Action.
There are a Lot of things occurring simultaneously!
@@paladinsix9285 Yup, and I think most people would agree with you.
You should have heard it in it's original Klingon!
Gee why has the algorithm suddenly started pushing this ... _now?_
Судя по отрывку, неплохой фильм. Думаю, стоит его поискать.
they had the best tank in the world at the time and were a lot smarter
The dubbing doesn't match the lip movements at all, and that's fine. It's honestly really good voice work for the most part. Really believable for a tank crew.
Why would you expect English dubbing to match Hebrew lip movements? What a ridiculous observation.
I had a Dinky toy model of a Centurion Tank..... what a great tank it was ..
This conflict was over 50 years ago and its consequences are still echoing to the unfortunate conflict brewing rn.
It's been listed for 2 weeks on channel 4 in the UK and never broadcast, very odd
Doesn't suit the left wing anti Semitic agenda, obs...
I had the utmost respect for Israelis soldiers. such a short time they learnt and build up a formidable military against bigger enemy and beat them. thank you to israel for helping Singapore build up our army when we first had our independence against a also very hostile environment. Thank you. I won’t forget
You did good, boys.
Incredible, extremely realistic.
Former US Army M1A1 Gunner here.
They sound waaaaaay too relaxed and their fire commands are waaaaay too stretched out (for example the "FIREEEEEEE !!" from the TC).
It's not at all how this would go. Especially being outnumbered that hard.
To give you an example of how this would sound inside an M1 Abrams in 2022 :
Gunner : "Identified tank 1200 meters"
*WHILE I AM STILL SAYING THIS, the TC already gives the "driver move up" command so the gun barrel is over the defilade (aKa poking over our cover/concealment position, so I can squeeze my trigger ASAP and save some precious seconds).
TC : "Gunner SABOT Tank" (basically telling me to put a SABOT round in that tank). *At this point, our tank is almost done moving up.*
Gunner : "On the way." *BOOM*
*AS SOON AS THE GUN GOES OFF, TC watches the round impact on target and says "Target target driver back down." so as to minimize exposure time while confirming the kill to me.*
*By this time I ALREADY swung the gun over to the next target without even observing the impact of my round on the first target, again to save precious seconds and take out AS MANY threats as possible in the least amount of time !*
*Loader EMEDIATLY loads another SABOT round within 5 seconds time and yells "up!"
Rinse & repeat...
There's no bullshit chatter going on. There's no drawn out fire commands like "fiiireeeeee" (it actually sounds more like "Gunnersabottank onthew*BOOM*ay").
I wrote all this out because i'm honestly disappointed in how many people think (even swear) this is how shit really goes down. It absolutely does not. Tank on tank warfare is extremely fast, and for good reason. When you are shooting at each other with such devastating weaponry, usually the tank that shoots first is the one that wins. In other words, the fastest crew wins. Time slows down & every second feels like an eternity, and the whole situation is nerve-racking because you know if you get hit, you're probably not gonna just be wounded. No. Your guts and flesh will either splatter all over the place, or you will burn alive.
The Israelis were improvising at the time. Which is how they manage to outmaneuver 5x stronger enemies. Things weren't so structural at the time there. Maybe by today things are more formal and strict
I trained to be a tanker at 17. Being a tank crew member was one of the greatest experiences of my life. Tank Commander; Gunner, Sabot tank. Loader; up! Gunner; on the way! Tank commander; driver get us outta here! Tank Commander, Gunner Heat track! Loader; up! Gunner; on the way! T.C. Target, target! Chewing tobacco, chewing tobacco! Spit, spit, spit! If you ain’t a tanker! You ain’t shit!
Best job ever.
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Until you die ... i too was in a tank crew as gunner/loader during the height of the Cold War. Leo 2 A3. When you realized that in case of a real war your average life expectancy in combat was only several hours ... not so funny anymore.
@@harzzachseniorgamer5516 Lighten up. You and I both survived. But, you never invaded Iraq twice facing an opponent that had the hardware to kill you. And I was in the lead elements in DS. So, if I want to joke about it (BTW the line is from the movie Fury), then I have every right to.
Salve os Cavalarianos dos anos 80's!!!
centurions vs t-55s well that bombastic disaster
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So, this is what War Thunder in real life looks like
Nice looking shot-cal centurion tanks .
This was a good movie
When the enemy is powerful but stupid
Barbaric unstoppable Gog and Magog; The W Kh Ash zio.
battle of bint jbiel
The kill ratio is pretty accurate, check out this video about how one tank managed to hold the Golan heights czcams.com/video/GwJ4zk_t-Z4/video.html
Kill ratio for Golan heights is 80 israeli vs some 500 Syrian AFVs total, so about 5,5 to 1.
Good old times...when tanks sometimes missed and when tank-crews thought that a Javelin was an old historic spear.
Centurion tank was a real game-changer.
What they don’t show is when firing a HEAT (high explosive anti tank ) round, the front of the tank will come off the ground about a foot from the recoil.
You been watching too many Sheridan's firing? HEAT or SABOT both recoil ALOT!
Aren't they firiing HESH though?
@@TheCaptainfordo yes, he said fire squash head.
@@larryhelstrom1881 No. But I have been in an M60A4 tank when it was firing everything from WP to HEAT
The 20pdr never had HEAT it had APDS - the L7 at the time mostly used APDS and HESH
[11/18/2021] Despite the misses in this portrayal; IDF tank gunnery was always superior to the Arab tankers. Back in the day Arab tank gunners using Soviet tank doctrine would only open fire at approx. 900m, whereas IDF crews would routinely practice, and open fire at 1,800m with their 105 mm.
Difference was in the shell type. Centurion (Sh-ot) had basically 2 type aside from smoke: APDS (high speed kinetic energy round and very flat trajectory hence easy 1st shot kill up to 2000 metres. After that iffy. This ammunition creates huge wear on the main gun.), and HESH (relatively slower and explosive, arced trajectory, hence range-finding and decent proficiency required to land shots at distances up to 5000Metres but is kinder to the barrel of the main gun.).
When fighting tanks with the Centurion, the preferred round is APDS which sags about 1Metre over a kilometer, so is point and shoot with a fairly high likelihood of a 1st shot kill although double-tapping was common practice.
Usually the mix of onboard battle load varied, but generally the APDS was in short(er) supply, so often crews were forced to use HESH more often.
In this scene, the fire-dril used was for HESH (as can be heard when referring to Squash-Head round loaded.).
Weird enough, some landed shots showed only impact )indicating APDS hits&misses while others showed a tell-tale external explosion indicating HESH.
IDF extensively used HESH since it also is quite effective against blowing up area targets and longer ranges , whereas the APDS would only punch a neat hole and would lose a lot its potency, accuracy and effect over 2000 metres.
Another defining advantage for defending IDF Centurions was that they had vastly better declination than the T-54/55 and T62 tanks. Thus they could stay deeper in cover (Hull-down and even partially Turret-down) which makes them a smaller target for an attacker and more difficult to place an effective hit. The Centurion was also decently armoured and thus very well suited for defense.
This scene took place on the Golan-Heights against the Syrian army which fielded mostly T54/55 and only later deployed the theoretically superior (but failing and under-performing) T62. The Syrian army did not use ATGMs to the extent that the Egyptian army did in the Sinai, since those were mostly Infantry operated and the Syrian army by doctrine relied on the tank-force to do the break-in and exploit with Infantry mostly following in 2nd echelon.
@@Centurion101B3C Good to know that the IDF made effective use of the High Explosive Squash Head rounds. The Brits like it a lot, but otherwise it didn't seem very popular in the Western militaries. Saggers in the Sinai really did hammer the unsuspecting Israeli armour units. Saw some videos where guidance wires were all over the battlefield.
Helps that you have a gun and shell that's ACCURATE at that range. Soviet-made tank guns were notoriously inaccurate, due to "slop" in gun manufacture (emphasizing production quantity over quality), and likewise the tank rounds. This had been a problem during the "Great Patriotic War" as well, especially once the Germans were almost always on the defensive, and had their tanks and tank destroyers "lie in wait" for Soviet armor to advance, picking them off with the greater range and accuracy of THEIR guns, and counting on typically THICKER frontal armor to keep the Soviet response from being effective even if they managed to score a hit. The STAVKA was well aware of this, but the demands of the war forced them to make do with what they could mass produce, including TANKERS. For THEM, "quantity" DID have the necessary "quality" all its own...including the Germans having to fight the UK and the USA as well, who matched them for "quality" overall.
The Arabs weren't so fortunate when employing that strategy against the IDF.
So much is own to so very few!
Wrote my research paper on this battle while at US Army Infantry Officers Advanced Course.
No computer, no automatic calibration only manual operation, skill and courage.
Dubbed version sucks
Yeah lol
The best..👌👌👌👌
The series was great.
They read Rommel's book!
And Montgomery's tactic and how Monty manage to use Alam Halfa Ridge to his advantage against Rommel's forces back in north africa ww2. Let the Ridge beats up against them. Much in this siuation, where they use their dug out and them the Syrian come close and let the dug out beats up against the syrian, who didn't even know where they being firing at.
Those magnificent bastards!
Historically inaccurate but still fun to watch
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Stirring, yes. But I don't think it is the tank commander in real life who yells, "Fire!"
The gunner would determine when he should fire. He is the one lining up the sights. But it is more exciting this way.
The scene is English-dubbed, In the original Hebrew voicing, those command are as follow:
Gunner: "Al!"= "On!" (Sight on target)
TC: "Esh!"="Fire!" (Upon confirmation TC give order to gunner)
Gunner: [couldn't exactly spelled it right other than trying to pronounce it phonetically] "Yowe!" = "Firing" (Gunner's way of saying "On the Way")
Either the director, or the screenwriter didn't have a faintest idea of what advance means.
Centurions FTW! A good sequence. The crew chat seems fairly on for armoured folks. Too bad they felt compelled to use the fake, black figure 8 binocular POV that so many movie makers use. Sheesh. Memo to film makers: take 30 secs and actually look through a set of binos and see what it looks like! I don't know why Hollywood et al insist on using this old gimmick. Likely because they think the audience is stupid. IIRC, Fauda got it right. So why can't Valley?
Interesting fact, Canada was replacing its Centurions in the 70s and gave them to Israel. The Israelis up-gunned and up-engined them and wound up with pretty good tanks in the end.
"upgunned"to what?Canadians used the L7 105 mm,same as the IDF
@@stevenbreach2561 I'm certainly no expert. I was told or read that they put better main guns in them. Perhaps I'm wrong.
What's IIRC?
@@sometimesgamer If I recall correctly... a common acronym in mil/vet circles.
ישראל מושהו ?
כן
זה מלחמת יום כיפור? ראיתי טנק בשם 1ב
אולי שעת נעילה?
I wish that Tank games are like this, one shot one kill!
JFC, the binocular scenes.
The tanks would be ~300m away if they were that big in binos.
This series is one of the best war series ever made. Though it should be seen in the original language as should all movies and shows. Dubbing should just be banned period!
I don't agree, while a lot of movies are surely worth watching in the original language, a lot of people simply can't keep up reading the subtitles and watching the scene and it ends up just reading the subtitles without enjoying the movie.
Also in some cases subtitles are too long for the screen so they write a simplified version of the character line and you lose some some details of it.
Sometimes the dubbing can even improve the movie/ serie, as bad acting can be compensated by great dubbing. There is a reason they are called voice *actors* right?
@@redacted2713 just shows lack of reading comprehension skills
@@Josh-bf6ht I am not wrong though
@@Josh-bf6ht All the more reason to dub. Even those with low reading skills should be able to watch this and learn.
That said, I'm going to look for this, didn't know this was a thing.
@@Josh-bf6ht you do understand there are people with brain injuries like me who have trouble reading words on anything but black text with a white background? Or like me before that and worked too damn long to read subtitles on their entertainment choices... Just saying...
That sounds like a Vietnam War, not a war in the Middle East...
Wait is the horizontal asymptote -2 or 3, the video doesn't make it clear?
Do yourself a favour and watch the undubbed version of this excellent series for a greatly enhanced experience.