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Adam Deen, a prominent Muslim intellectual and founder and director of the Deen Institute, counters Anne-Marie Waters by arguing that "if we approach Islamic teaching fairly and objectively, there is a golden thread that runs through whole Qur'an," an ideal of "justice" and "positive peace".
He argues that in fact the whole of Islam is compatible with "just war theory", in which "the virtue of avoiding violence is superseded by the virtue of justice." He then quotes from the Qur'an which states: "Fight in God's cause but do not overstep the limits. God does not love those who overstep the limits."
MOTION: THIS HOUSE BELIEVES ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE.
Yes's: 286
No's: 168
Filmed on 28/02/2013
ABOUT ADAM DEEN:
ADAM DEEN is a Muslim public intellectual who has spoken at more than 40 UK university campuses. He is founder and Director of the Deen Institute, and has debated against many atheists including Peter Atkins.
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Oxford Union yaar, at least number the videos so we know the order we're supposed to watch this in.
I'd say end with Mehdi. He did a final number on everyone. Good way to end it.
i think first is matthew, then this guy, and then medi.
lmaooo yes
I love this guy he said peace be upon him to prophet Muhammad (saw)
He might be muslim.
He is a Muslim, I think ... he's mixed race
@@Noora.Unfiltered his parents might be of different nationality and faith but he is still Caucasian so i wiuld not call him mixed race
@@rockstarsmg3632 Ahh right 😅
He's Muslim
Jabir reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The believer is kind and gracious, for there is no goodness in one who is neither kind nor gracious. The best of people are those who are most beneficial to people.”
There’s no peace when u draw Middle East Arabian Prophet
@@asiedukwartengannor366 Matthew 7:12
@John Connor prophet muhammed SAW was not a foreigner, they're all descendants of prophet Abraham.
Also, can you back up your claim please? prove to me that the Quran is not the word of God, enlighten me ^^
@John Connor right.. and your proof is? I actually was asking for proof that the Quran is not the word of God, but since you claim only descendants of prophet Isaac are prophets, I guess I will also need to ask you to enlighten me in that regard 😊
@John Connor and speaking of knowing the future, may I suggest you look into major and minor signs in islam, and please, maybe try to actually read without bias and see for yourself whether prophet Mohammed PBUH knew the future or not ^^
As a non-religous agnostic, I have to say Adam did a very good job here.
I disagree. Adam's argument was that Islam may focus on self-discipline and avoidance of war, but he failed to rebut the opposition's argument that the religion intrinsically & explicitly treats non-muslims like crap, and its laws are very gender biased.
Adam Deen said to ignore the bad places such as Saudi, but Anne-Marie was very right in that Saudi is NOT the extreme fringe of Islam, but the centre of it. Adam failed to rebut the gender mistreatment and instead focused on the Islam preaching and practice of war & Muhammad's treatment of certain prisoners of war. He failed to cover his ass regarding the use of sex slaves of women of captured cities.
In other words, Adam ignored the real world problems of Islam and only cherry picked the main messages of Islam to show that it has a peaceful message. He was totally cherry-picking scriptures/stories from the Quran, and failed to address poor human rights record found in Muslim countries today. Instead of addressing the opposition's arguments, he decided to preach about Islam to the audiences. He did a good job at preaching, but not at debating.
Yes, so it does have things that talk about violence,like being sent into hell, yes, but the real Muslims HAVE to keep tolerance with other religions. I have muslims near me, they are always so nice to approach, they always say peace be on you when ever I meet them, and they are constantly giving charity. People are cherry picking those verses that may refer to violence, and they explain it in a way the Quran doesn’t mean to explain. Other religions have the punishment of hell threat as well for rejecting faith, not just us.
@@dex7145 Most religions threaten the consequence of hell but Islam preaches violence against women, homosexuals and non believers. the Quran has at least 109 verses about war against non believers on the basis of their non muslim status. these include commands to cut off the heads and fingers of infidels and kill them and call muslims who do not join the fight "hypocrites". This is the teaching of islam and its not the opposition who were wrongly interpreting the teachings of the quran it was the proposition who were knowingly ignoring the true teachings of Islam.
@Akon Ali Your moon god is fooling you
@@harryrocke2762 give me a single verse...
"...distinguish the Muslim, the imperfect practicioner, from Islam, the spiritual message....allow Islam to define itself." Adam Deen
Ok so how does Islam “define itself”? Many parts of the Quran seem to be ambiguous because nobody can completely agree on what exactly they mean. Everybody claims they have the right interpretation. So which one is the “right” one?
Besides, what does “perfect” even mean? What does it mean to say that the Quran is morally “perfect”?
@@sorguvasfen2426 It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding. [3:7]
@@786sami786 so the Quran even admits that parts of it are ambiguous. That means nobody knows if they have the “right” interpretation of the ambiguous verses. Nobody will ever know what the ambiguous verses of the Quran are actually saying.
@@sorguvasfen2426 Pretty much. There are also some letters/words that no one knows the meaning of. It can't even be interpreted.
Logical man with a balanced point of view , justice and inner peace is what we need these days ... All of us
Peace at the expense of critical thinking
I'm sure you are a muslim
Well, except for the fact that the most just countries are also the least religious.
It's not a balanced point of view, it's demonstrably nonsensical. All he says is that Islam is great in theory.
Well, in practice, it sucks.
Countries with Islam-based laws are disastrously unjust, while the most irreligious countries are the most just and the most forward-thinking.
Quran 98:6 those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
Quran 9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
Quran 9:5, “When the forbidden (4) months of Islamic calendar have passed, then fight the polytheistic wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and prepare for them each, and every ambush. But if they repent, offer prayers perfectly, and give obligatory charity, then leave their way free. Surely Allah is forgiving merciful.”
Quran 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.
Quran 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”
Quran 2:216, “Fighting (in Allah's cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it. It may be that you dislike a thing and it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing and it us bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not know.”
Quran 4:76 "The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan"
Quran 48:29 "Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"
(8:65) O Prophet! Rouse the believers to fighting. If they be twenty of you who persevere they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there be of you a hundred, they shall vanquish a thousand of those who disbelieve, for they are a people who lack understanding.
Quran 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”
Quran 8:55 Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe
Quran 4:89 They wish that you should disbelieve, as they have disbelieved, and thus you become all alike. So, do not take friends from among them unless they migrate in the way of Allah. Then, if they turn away, seize them, and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take from among them a friend or helper.
Quran 9:123
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran 8:12 [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
When in majority :- Sariya law
When in minority :- secularism
2rs promotion from BJP/RSS andhbhakt 😂
except you're completely wrong lol, muslim empires have been historically documented even by western historians to have allowed christian and jewish communities to have their own courts and laws apart from sharia.
The main problem is those people who said islam is good for human being. Either they didnt read quran or hadis fully or they live in rich country where they live as minority. Well im form Bangladesh 🇧🇩🇧🇩 and i know the situation here. Its hell 100% hell to live in society where muslim is 80%+ and im also muslim by born. I hate my hypocrite islamic society. I hate my religion. I want to go other country where i can live like human not as muslim..but i cant coz i want to be an artist..so i have to live here. I love some people and i love this land also...
@@hokkotha5632 You're copying and pasting your comment all over the place but I don't think you've actually 'read the Qur'an and hadith fully' yourself
@@paddingtonbrown2181 have you?
He can see goodness when there is no goodness,that is a real talent.
Hhhh really.
It is very clear according to the data of 2000 years that
Christianity is the most violenat religiin on the earth planet as they did not not except murdering and raping and at the same time preaching that christinity is most peaceful.
Atheist is 2nd most violant religion in the world
Budhism is 3rd most violant religion on earth planet.
There are several religion like this.
For your kind information islam comes last or 2nd last in this list.
So, even if you consider those acts that are imperssible in islam but Muslim did then even inclusion of all that actions or wars that islam did not allow but Muslim still Islam is most or 2nd most peaceful religion on earth planet.
“The Susannah”? Is that the “...don’t you cry for me” Susannah, Abdel Mabrouk?
The younger generation are so stupid . They don't know what they are talking about at all . I had a positive attitude towards Islam until I accidently found out how moderate Muslims friends of mine really felt about people of other faith .
Can you elaborate?
@@sanjaysinghrathore99He is lying that is why he never responded to you for 3 years!.
@@5pointview717or maybe it’s because there was a seven year gap between the original comment and the question…
Adam Deen says we should let Islam define itself, but as Marx points out one must: "never judge a man by what he thinks of himself".
Please can you send this video with english substiles
I liked the phrase "islam is compatible with violence, but not identical to violence".
There are tens pf milions muslims in the middle east supporting violence knowing Islam is compatible with it.
Such a peaceful religion.
Osama Bin laden is friend & Business Partner of George Bush family !
In reality Christianity is compatible with Violence Their R Millions of Iraqi & Afghani Civilians r killed by Kafirs
Nice try lol
@@Fadumoabdikhadar Quran 98:6 those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
Quran 9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
Quran 9:5, “When the forbidden (4) months of Islamic calendar have passed, then fight the polytheistic wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and prepare for them each, and every ambush. But if they repent, offer prayers perfectly, and give obligatory charity, then leave their way free. Surely Allah is forgiving merciful.”
Quran 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.
Quran 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”
Quran 2:216, “Fighting (in Allah's cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it. It may be that you dislike a thing and it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing and it us bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not know.”
Quran 4:76 "The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan"
Quran 48:29 "Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"
(8:65) O Prophet! Rouse the believers to fighting. If they be twenty of you who persevere they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there be of you a hundred, they shall vanquish a thousand of those who disbelieve, for they are a people who lack understanding.
Quran 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”
Quran 8:55 Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe
Quran 4:89 They wish that you should disbelieve, as they have disbelieved, and thus you become all alike. So, do not take friends from among them unless they migrate in the way of Allah. Then, if they turn away, seize them, and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take from among them a friend or helper.
Quran 9:123
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran 8:12 [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
Hhhh really.
It is very clear according to the data of 2000 years that
Christianity is the most violenat religiin on the earth planet as they did not not except murdering and raping and at the same time preaching that christinity is most peaceful.
Atheist is 2nd most violant religion in the world
Budhism is 3rd most violant religion on earth planet.
There are several religion like this.
For your kind information islam comes last or 2nd last in this list.
So, even if you consider those acts that are imperssible in islam but Muslim did then even inclusion of all that actions or wars that islam did not allow but Muslim still Islam is most or 2nd most peaceful religion on earth planet.
It's amazing how we britains, have become tolerant, so tolerant, that many, many people in this country are unable to form substantiated views based on evidence for the fear of becoming intolerant! It's almost like these poor souls ignore the facts just to blindly convince themselves otherwise - Very sad state of affaires
KILLING AND ROBBING THE WORLD OF ITS TREASURES, now you tolerent, Do me a favour !!
What was the outcome of this debate?
Knowledge
He claim to be a former al-muhajiroun, but I don't recall meeting or knowing about him, form the time he claim to be an extremist
Marie is so funny to watch, each time istg 😂😭😭
Thank you Adam.
Why is Mehdi Hasan part of the video made private and not available to watch?
wow ... i didn't know they have a video in youtube about that already ... thx
Brilliant stuff. From his voice he sounds like Mehdi Hassan's brother
Quran 98:6 those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
Quran 9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
Quran 9:5, “When the forbidden (4) months of Islamic calendar have passed, then fight the polytheistic wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and prepare for them each, and every ambush. But if they repent, offer prayers perfectly, and give obligatory charity, then leave their way free. Surely Allah is forgiving merciful.”
Quran 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.
Quran 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”
Quran 2:216, “Fighting (in Allah's cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it. It may be that you dislike a thing and it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing and it us bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not know.”
Quran 4:76 "The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan"
Quran 48:29 "Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"
(8:65) O Prophet! Rouse the believers to fighting. If they be twenty of you who persevere they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there be of you a hundred, they shall vanquish a thousand of those who disbelieve, for they are a people who lack understanding.
Quran 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”
Quran 8:55 Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe
Quran 4:89 They wish that you should disbelieve, as they have disbelieved, and thus you become all alike. So, do not take friends from among them unless they migrate in the way of Allah. Then, if they turn away, seize them, and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take from among them a friend or helper.
Quran 9:123
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran 8:12 [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
If justice is achieved by being unjust to the other, then it is not worth it.
Peace
"we have to allow islam to define itself"....they've been defining themselves all right for 1300 years and the rest of the world is getting the hiccups😀
there is peace in Islam, unless you choose not to believe in it anymore, then there is a distinct lack of peace for you. A religion of peace doesn't have a death sentence for leaving, isn't that quite obvious ?
To everyone that’s fighting... It’s a debate 🤷♀️ To the people saying that his fact are this or that that’s not the point. Debate means convince me of something, whether you believe it or not, make me (the judge) believe what you’re saying.
Why there are many videos in the internet explaining islam is peaceful....... actions matter more than preaching
Quran 98:6 those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
Quran 9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
Quran 9:5, “When the forbidden (4) months of Islamic calendar have passed, then fight the polytheistic wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and prepare for them each, and every ambush. But if they repent, offer prayers perfectly, and give obligatory charity, then leave their way free. Surely Allah is forgiving merciful.”
Quran 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.
Quran 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”
Quran 2:216, “Fighting (in Allah's cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it. It may be that you dislike a thing and it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing and it us bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not know.”
Quran 4:76 "The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan"
Quran 48:29 "Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"
(8:65) O Prophet! Rouse the believers to fighting. If they be twenty of you who persevere they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there be of you a hundred, they shall vanquish a thousand of those who disbelieve, for they are a people who lack understanding.
Quran 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”
Quran 8:55 Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe
Quran 4:89 They wish that you should disbelieve, as they have disbelieved, and thus you become all alike. So, do not take friends from among them unless they migrate in the way of Allah. Then, if they turn away, seize them, and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take from among them a friend or helper.
Quran 9:123
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran 8:12 [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
Both r matter
Just think Why they need to Prove Izlam is peaceful ? It is very obvious and common to biased towards the religion which we belongs or we have connections with it. All religion were made and evolved to manage a particular society and traits. Now it is time to think about oneness, not your is inferior or mine is better. We should accept and improve those ancient rules, rather than to defend forcefully.
here is the link of the youtube video :
/watch?v=aIhK2yxzUng
when I see how Islam is everywhere even in Oxford University I feel overwhelmed with happiness and joy, thanks be to Allah, HamdulilAllah.
(4:104) -And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Theres verses are in the context of war, not like going out for shopping and striking peoples necks. Deluded man. U can only understand Quran through the prophetic tradition called ahadith not just by reading it. U think Quran is a fairytale? Its the most complete and perfect book. It has answers within itself.
@@Sher245 Quran 98:6 those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
Quran 9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
Quran 9:5, “When the forbidden (4) months of Islamic calendar have passed, then fight the polytheistic wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and prepare for them each, and every ambush. But if they repent, offer prayers perfectly, and give obligatory charity, then leave their way free. Surely Allah is forgiving merciful.”
Quran 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.
Quran 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”
Quran 2:216, “Fighting (in Allah's cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it. It may be that you dislike a thing and it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing and it us bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not know.”
Quran 4:76 "The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan"
Quran 48:29 "Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"
(8:65) O Prophet! Rouse the believers to fighting. If they be twenty of you who persevere they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there be of you a hundred, they shall vanquish a thousand of those who disbelieve, for they are a people who lack understanding.
Quran 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”
Quran 8:55 Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe
Quran 4:89 They wish that you should disbelieve, as they have disbelieved, and thus you become all alike. So, do not take friends from among them unless they migrate in the way of Allah. Then, if they turn away, seize them, and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take from among them a friend or helper.
Quran 9:123
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran 8:12 [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
Yea those verses are in the context of war. Cause if you have an entire tribe fighting, opposing, and harassing you for over 20 years for no reason but you are preaching a message different to their principles, it is only logical that you would fight back
Do people think that the Quran is a children’s book or something? It’s literally a RELIGIOUS revelation, of course it would include serious matters like wars and some things of those senses as commandments. People are so naive nowadays that they forget that the Bible and Torah have the same, even more violent commandments and stories than that of the Quran.
EAST ASIAN TODAY CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT INFIDELS MEAN I WASNT AWARE OF THIS WORD WHEN I WAS AT SCHOOL
TWO QUOTES ON THE SUBJECT
1) The learned know that their lives give their degrees value rather than the other way around. One doesn’t argue that pudding is good because its recipe is. If pudding tastes bad, its recipe won’t make it tasty. Your degree isn’t who you are. What you’re doing with your life is.
2) What would the world think of Jesus or the Buddha being awarded a posthumous honorary doctorate? Or what would the world think if either had bothered to earn a doctorate had one been...
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom......
So uplifting and inspirational
Feeling the peace after that for sure
Did you purposely ignore the “striving for corruption in the land” or are y’all both illiterate.
@@Latifa1111-o6t They define anyone who questions or challenges Islam to be "striving for corruption in the land". Islam is a totalitarian system that destroys human freedom.
Adam just basically destroyed his own argument. He brought up the parts where violence is not only permitted but encouraged. Therefore he shows that Islam is violent. It makes no difference whatsoever if there is a certain context to it. It gives specific instructions on violence.
That's before going into the stuff about apostasy and how they treat women. Or even the bits about how Islam first spread
That's based on your interpretation, which is the problem with any religion. But let's face facts, the Koran encourages the killing of apostates and blasphemers. So it is not about fighting what peaceful people would think of as injustice. Never in the history of the world has religion used that interpretation of Jihad. Islam became a larger religion through conquest. Not because it used violence in self defence.
My original point stands.
He also didn't tackle Islam's division of the world into two opposing parts; the House of Islam and the House of War. We in the West live in the 'House of War'.. I would have ejoyed listening to his thoughts about these concepts.
Adam Deen says, “Islam must be allowed to define itself...” but then goes on to say, “not like Saudi Arabia and all these other horrible places.” Who in that case is the legitimate voice of Islam? When you mention the Saudi State, Yemen, Iran, Pakistan we are told that these systems do not represent Islam. Who or what does then? Any mention of terror or misogynistic treatment of women, etc; we are always told that these things are all being done by the wrong type of Muslims. How convenient.
Peace doesn't mean absence of war and presence of justuce ❤
Advice: Read your comment again
Over 5 million converts just in the US.
Yeah....*rolls eyes* They were non uniformed combatants. the emperor himself called them all his warriors. They ran the factories,made munitions,raised troops,and even trained to fight when the US invaded. They were not innocent victims in truth,but of course you will deny it.
2:216 Yusuf Ali: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
When is the debate regarding whether Buddhism as a religion of peace happening?
Just imagine, this girl that said islam is bad. Said buddhist is bad based on rohingya issue. Same issue, they will point to some one misspractice religion to blame totally
Google: rohingya and the argument falls apart
Pocopong Pong preach
Go on, tell me again how you think the rantings of a rapist , child molester,wife beater, looter, blood thirsty pirate, mass murderer, hate spreader, liar, self appointed prophet, and war monger, are all the signs of a prophet.
Best laugh i have had for ages.
+fmuta1 first of all there are no documents to show he raped anyone, beat anyone or anything like that.
secondly, the reason he killed people is because he was a political leader who had to please the general public and they wanted to expand the empire so he used his genius as a general
Samuel Skinner
Yeah, keep on believing that.
those are facts that I stated
@@fmuta1when you have nothing to prove so you put everything on the table. Best laugh I have had for ages…
Defending Islam as a lawyer would a criminal 🤔
Who did win this debate?
Pew Research (2010):
84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
That’s peace for yah
Where are you getting these polls from? I'm an Egyptian Muslim I and everyone I know were never asked that.
It is not for peace rather for war and hateful violence.
THE FOUR MOST COMMON FEATURES OF MUSLIM RESPONSES TO RESISTANT INFIDELS:
1) no verbal case for Islam to begin with;
2) rapid onset of intolerance for resistance;
3) indignation over that resistance;
4) anger, at times threateningly, over that resistance.
The first produces the second, which produces the third and fourth. Islam features jihād because it has no VERBAL defense. Muslims defend Islam violently because Muhammad couldn’t defend it verbally. Qur'ān 5:101-02 INEVITABLY produces violence.
Point1, quran speak a lot about justice
Point2, war in quran is only in the context of... just war and forbids to overstep limits
He made it really clear n put on evidence from al-qur'an ♥️🔥
Adam Deen: "Islam avoids violence"... LMFO. The only thing it avoids is progress.
Lmaoooooooooooo. Islam civilized Europe and gave you your Renaissance
@@Latifa1111-o6t Derp.
Muslims invented everything you use till this day.
The fact that u commented this is because of Algorithms thanks to a Muslim mathematician named Al khwarizmi. So u can take ur opinion and shove it where it came from.
@@Sher245 At one point in history Christianity was progressive too.
Mate if I go out bombing others shouting Mr. Bean It's Mr. Bean's fault?
If Mr Bean wrote a book saying, if you bomb a school in my name. I will give you 72 virgins. And someone goes and bombs a school in his name to get 72 virgins. Who caused the bombing?
@@Anthony1uk They try hard to deflect the blame away from the religion. I just wonder if they think Trump is responsible for every racist attack.
If Mr. Bean tells you that it is a reasonable response for exercising freedom of speech, Mr. Bean is not peaceful
Pretty sure passiveness and violence are not the only two options in the resolution of disputes...
He hits the nail on the head- "We need to differentiate between the Muslim; the imperfect practitioner, from Islam and its practices." Alhumdulillah
But the imperfect Muslim can always claim to be acting according to the practices of Islam.
No he didn’t, the Quran is still disgusting and contradictory regardless of what muslims say or do, even if every Muslim was an angel, islam would still be disgusting and false
@@jeffallcock4561 Islam says pork haram yet some muslims still eat pork, use your intellect.
disgusting religion
Masha’Allah my brother Adam Deen. May Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala bless you with Jannatul Ferdous for the Love of His Beloved Habib Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam.
Amin and may Allah blles all of us and guide us to the right path
Meowsuke 123 Ameen.
@@michaelscottland4239 allah bless you
Do you condemn the rape and murder of innocents underaged woman by government in muslim countries? Islam is a dictatorship that silences anything that speaks about it. FREE IRAN FROM THE TERROR.
So the argument that justice is intrinsic to Islam, and that violence is prescribed in Islam to uphold justice, doesn't equate to an argument that Islam, a religion requiring that justice be upheld, prescribes violence? Oxford's standards are slipping, I reckon. It is not righteous to fetishize the idea of a law which says that it must be upheld at any costs, including the lives of those who disagree.
" ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION. PEACEFUL WAVES OF ISLAM ! 80% PROVED TO BE 100% CORRECT.".
"If you can't decide the religion of Terrorist today, Terrorist will decide your religion tomorrow"
-Eminent Intellectual
This debate is definitely a hydrogen fission bomb on hindu extremists who always have problems with Islam and the growing trend of Islam.
Yup but force conversion is haram bro,, they may face hellfire for that.. ❤
Ma Sha Allah
I wonder how Adam feels about these views now 2015
Is it justice for those who reject Islam as well or just for the Muslims?
Well done bro
mashallah islam mean this not what Social Media shows 👏👏
Why Islam need a assertion as a Peaceful Religion ? That itself shows that, Islam reached in such a situation, because of its acts contradict to the claim as a peaceful religion!!!
No other religion expect Islam need this type of propaganda for convince the World that Islam is a peaceful religion!!!
The World need not these type of claims but the action from Islam to establish that it is a peaceful religion like other religions.
@Alphi Joseph - the propaganda is actually from the islamaphobes, governments and mainstream media against Islam. It is these sources that portray Islam as a violent religion because a minority of individuals who happen to be Muslims commit an act of terror. This does not make Islam a religion of violence but that is the narrative being pushed all over the world. Unfortunately most people do believe, without questioning, what they see and hear on the mainstream media. This, together with lack of knowledge on Islam leads them to believe that Islam is a religion of violence. This video is part of Oxford University's debate where there were people debating that Islam is a religion of violence and this video is the opposing view that Islam is a religion of peace. Even if this video was not part of a debate, there is nothing wrong in informing people about the misconceptions they hold, in this case about Islam. Especially as mainstream media is misguiding people about Islam and in doing so creating fear and violence in the way of hate crimes. It is better to correct their misconceptions about Islam rather than leaving them to believe what is untrue and hopefully end their fear and phobia about Islam and show them what they see/hear in the media about Islam is not true but actually the opposite. That it is a peaceful religion but allows war in self defence but within just rules and if there is a peaceful solution then choose this peaceful solution.
Saying "Islam is a religion of peace and the extremists who kill in the name of Allah are only a minority of the Muslim population" is like saying "cigarettes are safe to smoke because only a minority of cigarette smokers suffer from lung cancer and other related cigarette smoking pulmonary diseases"
wow , that’s a very powerful presentation , no wonder Islam is growing so very very fast .
Breeding fast you mean
Islam is the religion of peace, those who said otherwise will be put to rest in peace ☝🏻
Such "peace"
You’ve just proved all the other’s side correct
Islam is religion of rest in peace. Well I suppose the dead are usually peaceful.
@@carbon-1486 Quran 98:6 those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
Quran 9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
Quran 9:5, “When the forbidden (4) months of Islamic calendar have passed, then fight the polytheistic wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and prepare for them each, and every ambush. But if they repent, offer prayers perfectly, and give obligatory charity, then leave their way free. Surely Allah is forgiving merciful.”
Quran 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.
Quran 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”
Quran 2:216, “Fighting (in Allah's cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it. It may be that you dislike a thing and it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing and it us bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not know.”
Quran 4:76 "The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan"
Quran 48:29 "Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"
(8:65) O Prophet! Rouse the believers to fighting. If they be twenty of you who persevere they shall vanquish two hundred; and if there be of you a hundred, they shall vanquish a thousand of those who disbelieve, for they are a people who lack understanding.
Quran 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”
Quran 8:55 Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe
Quran 4:89 They wish that you should disbelieve, as they have disbelieved, and thus you become all alike. So, do not take friends from among them unless they migrate in the way of Allah. Then, if they turn away, seize them, and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take from among them a friend or helper.
Quran 9:123
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran 8:12 [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
Yet somehow this was never said by the majority of Muslims, the West has always been good at speaking for us
The only argument used here is the widely disproved, "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Maybe if they learned that the no true scot fallacy is a horrendous lack of debate skill, they might actually make sense.
No, he clearly provides evidence from the Quran, Hadith, and basic logic that shows how Muslims are supposed to act. "Share food with prisoners" not stale bread and water. That alone should be enough to show the true character of Islam. Why would they do that if they were evil? You can say that he is simply lying if you wish, but then you forfeit the claim to no true scotsman. Furthermore, disregarding his statements without good faith efforts to discover the truth will never be a just way to evaluate Islam. Only you will know in your heart what truly constitutes good faith efforts.
@@hereturbie7458 He makes a decent case for just war theory, but he denies the values of pacifism that led Ghandi to defeat the British Empire & Martin L King to defeat racial segregation in the US. The speaker denies the validity of pacifism as a moral failing but does not back up this statement with any evidence of any kind. This is a big hole in the argument.
Napalm6b yes he does rather crudely condemn pacifism as a whole. But i suspect, given the limited time, he was approaching it in the narrow context of the debate at hand and islam’s historical inception. Islam isn’t against pacifism per say; this is evident from the makkan period when tremendous violence against muslims was not met with equal violence but restraint and pacifism by the muslims and the prophet. Now of course it did not work in the way it did for mlk and ghandi; but that is the hit and miss nature of it.
Now because islam is a 360 religion, it draws a line between pacifism and appeasement. For example, pacifism against hitler would not work. This is where islam draws the line for purposes of self defense and fighting back. Ghandi and mlk would look rather foolish, indeed unethical doing what they did against hitler.
Point out misrepresentations of yours Ideas cannot be seen as a "no true Scotsman" fallacy, to demonstrate that you have to show us what was not a misrepresentation of the opposition, what you failed to do.
What is the punishment for apostasy, as prescribed by Islam?
I think that the debate as to whether Islam is a religion of peace or not ends with the answer to this question.
you my friend have read quentin taranino´s script not the quran .
I love how this man argues that the Qur'an is not passive, and thank God for that. It fully acknowledges that turning a blind eye to injust conflict, and the oppressed is immoral. That only when you have been wronged and you've taken every approach possible is it okay to take up arms. It then goes on to stress violence should not be a resort to solving every problem that arises. This isn't a world full of clouds and unicorns; injustice happens on the daily which one must stand up to.
The main problem is those people who said islam is good for human being. Either they didnt read quran or hadis fully or they live in rich country where they live as minority. Well im form Bangladesh 🇧🇩🇧🇩 and i know the situation here. Its hell 100% hell to live in society where muslim is 80%+ and im also muslim by born. I hate my hypocrite islamic society. I hate my religion. I want to go other country where i can live like human not as muslim..but i cant coz i want to be an artist..so i have to live here. I love some people and i love this land also...
@@hokkotha5632 u hate islam because of how it has been presented to you
@@hokkotha5632 have you read the quran and the hadith
@@hokkotha5632 u will earn more as an artist in non muslim countries than in islamic countries
So I can I draw cartoons of Muhammed?
Adam quotes Al-Quran
And Annie has the dare to talk about "eVidEnCe"
I mean, Quran is NOT evidence for the rest of the world.
@@disturbed0insane The quran is what muslims follow, it's the best evidence for whether or not islam is a peaceful religion.
@@sawcrab2249 Quran may be an evidence for muslims but for the rest of us, it's just a book.
On August 21, a Pakistani cleric near Multan hacked his wife, 36, to pieces for refusing to wear a veil. (“For bucking his authority” would be more accurate.) He, 42, told law-enforcement personnel that he’d had to kill her to avoid responsibility for her sins. The couple had three children.
Islam has NO redeeming features and should be eliminated from this planet. What good can be said for it? Nothing makes humanity less human. Everything done under the Islamic banner seems to require an excuse
With all the interst in islam not one of you seem to be able to answer saynototheilluminate question why
Terrifying religion at all, don't pretend and it's clear to everyone
????
And Muslims try to make us believe there is only a small group who are extremist
Libya army in Benghazi clashes with Ansar al-Sharia MILITANT
The government has struggled to contain militias in control of parts of Libya.
The BBC's Rana Jawad in Tripoli says the latest fighting is seen as one of the most serious and direct confrontations between official forces and this militia
IN IRAQ, The UN says 979 people - including 158 police and 127 military personnel - were killed in violent attacks in October. More than 6,500 civilians have died since January, the highest annual toll since 2008
How Islamist militancy threatens Africa
The countries of North and West Africa have become embroiled in a new war waged by violent Islamist militants - a conflict that has no front line
Egypt confrontation between Brotherhood extremist and the Army
Syrian women 'raped and tortured' by Muslims extremist
Some 6,000 women have been raped since the start of the conflict in March 2011, the Euro Mediterranean Human Rights Network (EMHRN) says
Syria conflict: CHILDREN ‘TARGETED BY SNIPERS' and Muslim tribes cruelties on children
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PALESTINIENS USE THEIR CHILDREN AS SUICIDE BOMBERS
Muslim extremists are all over the world including Russia and China
Islam/Muslims have never been peaceful within themselves let alone with other religions/cultures since the start until today. In fact, it's getting worse with terrorism attacks and islamization attempts of the world especially the West and Africa.
Boko Haram is fighting to establish an Islamic state in Nigeria's mainly Muslim north.
Muslims, Please stop to lie to us, and do something about your extremists
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims
Islam Twofaces “all terrorists are muslism” that is so ignorant
The speaker defends Islam tenets in war situations, the issue is that these tenets are fundamentals of the faith, not context based. What part of war is beating your wife as the Quran recommends? An-Nisa 4:34, what part of war is advocating marriage and sex with children as the holy prophet of Islam did? The people that disagree with these teachings are declared to be executed....those debating the peace of Islam don't ever address this.
If it was 'peaceful', then you people wouldn't have needed to give any clarification.
Who started world war 1 & 2.is tat muslims???
NO
Christians duh
Shubham Lele You shouldn’t blame their religion for it.
Zakaziko Ziko dont call muslims terrorists
Mohamed Akbar Im on the same side.
Muslims say Qur'an teaches peace and freedom of opinion. I agree. But can you name any Islamic country where the penalty for apostasy is not death?
Have Islamic countries have made up the "death for apostasy" law on their own and are misrepresenting Qur'an?
If it is the responsibility of a Muslim to make sure that Qur'an is not misrepresented, why don't the Muslims put their effort in encouraging those Islamic countries not to misrepresent Qur'an by making up "death for apostasy" laws?
What guarantee is there that promoting a peaceful Islam in a non-Islamic country will not eventually lead to "death for apostasy" law once the whole country becomes Islamic?
***** In what context?
***** if qur'an is teaching violance, who is teaching to kill innocent muslims that atheists/anti-islamic goveernment are killing in countries like bangladesh?
***** thats my point!!! its a muslim country with no sharia law but the government is anti-islamist, killing, beating, shooting innocent muslims in the street, mosque and just everywhere. its very sad to see that men in beard and caps, women in veil, are getting killed for being... well,,, a muslim. so why they get no justice? why no one talks about them? why no one fights for them instead of bashing religions? why no one cares about them? what happened to the world? humanity? DOOMED. and most importantly, if Qur'an teaches violence then who is teaching those bastards to kill innocent muslims for no good reason?
Muslims say Qur'an teaches peace and freedom of opinion. I do not agree.
I read it. I felt sick.
The word LOVE is not written in the Quran, not even once.
The words SLAVE, KILL, BOOTY, WAR, SLAUGHTER, etc... are written many times.
In Islam there is only one opinion, Sharia tells you what to eat, how to dress, what to do, what not to do, how to think. Islam is not a religion, it is a political system which uses the Divine to impose its totalitarian ideology.
Its is a religion.Quran is the guidance to Man-Kind.One question,Do you hate Islam?
Thank you Adam Deen. Muslims LOVE you.
If Islam is a religion of peace then tell me which country under Islamic ruler-ship can I as an Atheist live safely????
Fight does not necissarily mean with violence. A fight could be in the mind and soul. Even if a sword is mentioned it could be interpreted metaforically.
Elin Hägglund - in Islam there's nothing like fight within one's mind ..it's literally fighting n slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent non Muslims ...The one who practices this cult ends up hating the Jews n the Christians ..but sadly the west are becoming dumbass to this dirty tactics of white washing Islam ...Why weren't the western countries not being attacked or susceptible to violence up until the 20 th century?? Cause they had lived up the standards n ethos which shaped Europe n the rest of the west ..The destruction started since they allowed entry for Middle easterners n Asians migrants n refugees who are not indigenous Muslims of Europe ...Am i sounding islamophobic ? No definitely not cause it's the Muslims who are hurted by the Christian Cross and it's teachings ... A Jew or a Christian or a Hindu or any other non Muslim couldn't practice freely his/her religion in a Muslim dominant country and stamping islamophobia on the west when it comes to protecting it's people against Islam is downright hypocrisy of the Muslims
@@aegontargaeryan Well it's even more astonishing that the egotistical governers of the west can kill an even greater number of people in these eastern lands all for selfish western needs, and they don't need a book to have any implications for them do it.
@@farhaanahmed8924 Well it's not astonishing why the middle easterners need Western support as well to a great extend just for survival and protection from their own folks cause islamists themselves will slaughter , destroy the people and land and the leaders of the middle East knows that well . If US protection and technical support given is what you meant then the withdrawal of the west ,be it army or technical assistance will only mean the utter destruction of middle East . Instances of defending the western allies in the middle East is often regarded as an attack orchestrated by the west on Arabs and on the other hand Arabs want huge Western support is quite one of the greatest examples of Islamic hypocrisy . Yeah the west may not have turned to a book for it's implications because they don't have one but certainly the Arabs mostly turn to a so called holy book for justifying rape ,mass killings etc on the west .This double standard hypocrisy is what should be condemned .
@@aegontargaeryan You really called it Islamic Hypocrisy? I guess by that analogy, America is Christianity?
@@aegontargaeryan jihad is a huge part of islam which refers to the inner fight and struggle a muslim experiences in their daily life so saying 'theres nothing like fight within ones mind' is completely wrong. Please go educate yourself
As I told This lady she doesn't have to mention my country Mali because we haven't got any trouble due to Muslims but because of you western media which is also present in our countries.
And thanks so much Brother for this sentence "we must leave Islam defend itself not Saudi Arabia or wherever "Because Islam has came for the Arabs but the whole mankind whether you accept or not.
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled" quran 9;29..... islam itself is the problem
he was specifically talking about hostile tribes that were attacking his tribe
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
He reads well!!!
Thanks for that. Readers can find more about it at a video called “Condemnation of Shias by Sunni leaders lead to new attacks.”
In it, Abdusshomad Buchori says “We from the Islamic Council want peace. That’s why the Sunni community in Indonesia has to be defended. There’s no advantage to allow another group with a very different religious opinion to grow. This will lead to conflict, and that’s dangerous for our country.”
In Islam, every Muslim is right, and disagrees with every other Muslim.
Go to sleep............. like for a nice long decade or two.
I don't get you ?? Are you referring to something he said in the lecture??
He says that Islam says that aversion to war is a virtue and, supposedly as evidence, he quotes "you must fight, even though you dislike it."
Seriously?
This is a far more coherent argument than the first one for this side was. Whether or not the man is correct about the "essence" of Islam being peaceful, I would like wish him success in spreading this view among believers.
But rather, this is where the problem is with this proposition: the essentialist claim that it is peaceful distorts the realities of what "peaceful" means and/or of what Islam is and has been, since if someone accepts this claim and sees things in Islam that should not be viewed as peaceful, they might adjust their views of what "peaceful" means so that "peaceful" is no longer "peaceful". Better to acknowledge that the religion is ancient and massive and contains contradicting values, and picking which values to accept and which to reject. Although, I am speaking from my position as an atheist, of course. This method is quite a bit more difficult as an actual believer, I suppose. But hopefully it is still a view that can be accepted as valid and appreciated even by theists who do wish to claim that this is "the essence" of the religion.
Cheers.
While I agree that it would be best for our society, picking what "is" and what "isn't" is exactly what invalidates a religion. For if the Holy book was written by God it must be taken as the truth and whatever is altered by humans later on can not replace the "word of God" since a human is not above God.
God is all knowing and perfect from the beginning so there should be no need for any moral updates anyways.
twaddle!
Great speech, honest, direct and to the point
Al-muwatta, volume 21, Hadith 9 and 10
How very disappointing that no one from Nation of Islam or anyone from Minister Farrakhan's brand of Islam was not represented in this debate.
Bible, Luke19:27 says"Who didnot want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them".. Peacefull religion.
Yes exactly. You can find lots of violence in old testament. It is all what you make of it. And books of religion might be interpreted not litterally and it also might be taken into consideration when they where written and that the word of God, Allah could also have been combined with the person who wrote it's words...
Those words of Jesus was quoting a character in a parable, not telling his people to kill anyone. Jesus was never violent, even when violence was done to him. He specifically commanded his followers to not be violent.
Matthew 26:52 "Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword."
YOU DON,T KNOW THE BIBLE AT ALL
LOL YOU DONT HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
WOMAN ARE SLAVES IN ISLAM, WHY WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD WOULD WANT THAT FOR YOU .
Mashallah great speech
Hilarity. "Just war" and "Muhammed". Lets forget about Khaybar and about the Muslims shouting and praising it even today.
If it existed before religon my point is that its not th efault of religon then is it?
Wish you the best. 🙂God bless you
allah*
The no true Muslim fallacy again.
Yawn.
Well does 99.9% of Muslims fare better?
@@nl8509 Yeah of course there is no true Muslims. Most Muslims would be peace loving, and are compliant because they are ruled by fear and all the critics are imprisoned/beheaded. Even apostacy requires capital punishment. How can Muslims be true Muslims if they are not allowed to given basic human rights, the liberty to freely criticise theire religion or have equal rights among different genders?
Exactly thats what the speaker said
Separate islam and muslim
Judge islam by quran and the prophet
idiot
acash93
What? That’s complete nonsense. I choose to be a Muslim and no one is forcing me to. Stop acting like all Muslim countries are the same country. There’s a drastic difference between Iraq and UAE for example. One country is currently in a war and the other isn’t. Yes sure they are countries like Yemen and Iraq where the people are oppressed but that’s two counties out of dozens. There is religious freedom in most Islamic countries.
When you talk about peace of God, it has no borders.. if still there is "but" it is not naturally peace
no religion should call themselves as peaceful