Steve Erceg ROBBED vs Alexandre Pantoja!? Rob Whittaker SPEAKS Up! | MMArcade Podcast (Episode 41)
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- Welcome to Episode 41 of the MMArcade Podcast! Join Rob Whittaker and Jonny as they recap UFC 301, including Alexandre Pantoja vs Steve Erceg, José Aldo vs Jonathan Martinez, Anthony Smith vs Vitor Petrino, Michel Pereira vs Ihor Potieria and Paul Craig vs Caio Borralho. Plus, Helldivers 2 controversy and more!
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00:00 Intro
02:05 Alexandre Pantoja vs Steve Erceg
17:20 José Aldo vs Jonathan Martinez
20:56 Anthony Smith vs Vitor Petrino
23:17 Michel Pereira vs Ihor Potieria
26:52 Craig vs Caio Borralho
35:52 Video Game News
54:45 Viewer Questions - Sport
Not even 24hrs after the fight THE BOYS UPLOADED. Much love Rob & Jonny, what a way to start my morning.
Rob with a Soy take. Pathetic. It was a clearly robbery. Grow up
Legend! Thank you for the support
Yahushua HaMashiach is the Truth..
@@SatoshiShintoMe Yahushua HaMashiach is the Truth..
Rob giving Pantoja 4 rds is more disappointing than Helldivers.
😂
To be clear the controversy should be that effective damage is what is mainly what is scored by modern scoring criteria. And control time on it's own scores nothing at all, unless all other factors are equal, which they obviously were not.
(which is why Rob beat Izzy btw)
But since judges so often fail to follow the actual scoring criteria themselves and the UFC rarely talks about them, it's not surprising that most viewers don't know what they are either.
Commentary doesn't help using a criteria that doesn't exist to openly score fights live coupled with stats getting shown between rounds and at the end of fights that have very little to do with how fights are actually meant to be scored
They really need to move from the 10 point system to something similar to ONE FC that scores based on Near-knockout/near-submission, Damage (internal, accumulated, superficial), Striking combinations and cage/ring generalship (ground control and superior positioning), Earned takedowns or takedown defense and Aggression (As per ONE FC's Website)
"control time on it's own scores nothing at all"
Not quite. It's lower priority in scoring criteria, but still scores. Key distinction.
Thanks mate. I didn't explain it well enough in the video.
- Jonny
@@CitizenScottexactly and with the striking numbers being so close (Pantoja landed more) the control time and takedowns were the deciding factor
Paul Craig’s coach after the first round said. “Just keep throwing the kicks. The kicks are working”….
Like dude…. You’re throwing naked kicks, with 0 angles, in punching range, and eating big shots for it every time.
Lol yup
This upload time is soooo much better. Love hearing your takes so soon after the fights. Some of the hype wears off after a couple days usually
Fully agree mate
We're so glad!
Yahushua HaMashiach is the Truth..
@@ship3724 Yahushua HaMashiach is the Truth..
This podcast just wouldn't have the same feel without Rob's kids screaming in the background 😂
The fans are getting tired of it but also it's quite literally the scoring criteria, damage trumps control time yet for some reason its not being judged like that so the "meta" doesn't seem to be shifting
It doesn’t trump it, damage is heavily favoured against control- if you throw a single body kick but then get taken down and mauled with not much damage for the rest of the round, you lose the round
@@kelakogreenaddict1888 You added the word "mauled". That's a different thing entirely. Pantoja didn't maul Erceg.
@@MAT-wn5fr I’m not saying pantoja did- it’s just a general statement about the rules some people seem to not understand
@@kelakogreenaddict1888that’s not true at all. Control isn’t even in the criteria. Effective grappling is based on impact such as ground and pound and submissions not merely position
@@shaneg4388 nah, effective grappling also counts as advancing position a.k.a full mount or taking the back
Even if he didn’t win Erceg did AMAZING for his first fight against elite opposition and he’s young he’ll live and learn and I’m sure he’ll be back fighting for that belt in no time!
Nahh fam, judging's number one criteria is damage. Erceg clearly did the more damage with the elbows and the striking while pantoja didn't do any effective grappling, closest thing he got from finishing the fight is taking erceg's back and only had one hook in and erceg defended everything, pantoja just stayed in positions doing nothing but just sniffed his balls. Bllsht man, I am tired of these judges
Bro, what freaking fight did you watch ? Do you hear yourself? That's exacly what the controversy is!! Pantoja spending A LOT OF time on top of ursek. Then you say pantoja didn't do any effective grappling. .what?
@@jesusquinonez9294 DAMAGE, mma judging criteria is based on damage my brother. Pantoja just maintained a position and did nothing with it, barely ground and pound and no sub threat, while erceg reversed and got up from all positions. Plus erceg hurt him on the feet waaaayyy worse than pantoja hurt him. If you cannot threaten to finish the fight while in grappling positions, that means that its not effective grappling, erceg was close to finishing the fight (with elbows...) and pantoja survived just because he was tough and could take shots. So please, do your homework, you sound like a fckn casual.
@DarrenReddix-jw6hx Alright he landed 9 shots at the end of the fifth. Erceg still had the more damaging shots in the fifth. There is a video made by the weasle counting all the shots in the 3rd and 5th round, check it out
@@jesusquinonez9294I think the weasels breakdown would be good for you to watch. He explains how Erceg won
@@kevinboueri1051 if he could take the shots then erceg wasnt close to finish the fight, pantoja didnt woble one time
I'm Brazilian and i do think Pantoja won. I didn't like his performance but he did enough to edge the win. The thing that is absolutely blowing my mind is that people are making this fight sound like Erceg completely destroyed him on the feet. I mean, what? that just didn't happen. The difference is clear on how much more crispier on the feet Erceg looks, but when it comes to actual shots landed it wasn't a massacre as people are saying, it was pretty competitive. And when you see how much Pantoja dominated in the grappling department, that made the difference. Plus, the decision to take Pantoja down in the last round could not have been worse. maybe the visuals of how Pantoja fights made people think Erceg looked better and was clearly winning but Pantoja did enough to win. Erceg's corner agreed
I had money on Erceg and I still think Pantoja edged out a W
Loving the fast uploads
Great episode guys! Loved the fan question about Rob vs many Jonny’s 🤣 this recording time is perfect if it works for you guys
I don’t think people are tired of “champions winning through control time”, I think people are tired of judges not knowing the scoring criteria.
If they want to make control time more important that’s fine, but it’s not how you are supposed to score a fight under the current rules.
Erceg slapped that dude silly, when did it feel like he was ever in danger. Also great timing schedule boys
Kinda styled on him a little bit. After 2 rounds i saw patnz fights scared, such i ve never seen him do before.
If a rematch ever happens i got bedtime for a ko on pantz
He felt in danger every time he was on the ground. He showed a lot of skill to not get submitted. But I was biting my nails whenever pantoja took him down. Also he got punched cleanly a lot.
@@MJZA93 what are you talking about? Pantojas grappling worked less in this fight than his last 3/4 fights
Thanks mate 💪🏼
Lmfao cracked out much? @@MJZA93
That is the controversy, Erceg should have got the decision.
Erceg didn't think he won it. I wonder why anyone else did.
Great Takes guys !
I'm Aussie and I gave Erceg 2 and 4, but he got too many takedowns against him and got out grappled especially the last half of the 5th round.
Great effort but it was a good decision, he'll learn a lot and be a champ soon enough.
Takedowns don't matter if you don't do damage or get a advantageous position. Pantoja only got mount for a couple of seconds aside from that no points were scored by his grappling
Thought erceg edged 3, knew it could be 2-2 but honestly thought pantoja would need a finish in the 5th
You have to give erceg 3. He landed at least 3 huge shots. Massive slicing elbow followed by a hook. Biggest strikes of the WHOLE fight in that round 3 for erceg. That makes it 234 erceg with even an argument he won round 5 as well due to slightly edging damaging strikes. Ur a fake aussie. Ur saying that to give ur argument more validity but u lack eyes and knowledge of the scoring criteria. Damage trumps everything and visible damage and cuts r one of the biggest scoring actions in the sport. Wake up
Not how scoring works but I can't blame you, since that's how they judged it. Dmg takes priority over all.
@@hajiee I feel like the judges are still stuck in 2016 with the old scoring. You never know what you’re gonna get with these inconsistent judges. Worst of all if there is a robbery, that guy also got robbed of a win bonus
Awesome episode, you two. Really hoping we see a co-op playthrough from you two.
Question for both, at the start of every podcast, it seems you two are already laughing it up and having a good time. What goes on moments before you hit the record button?
Erceg deserved the win he did more damage
It was baffling why he'd go for takedowns. Def blew it/shot himself in the foot MULTIPLE times. Like why? He was doing so well on the feet
Did you watch the fight?
@@kam556trwtf💀, did you?
@@FlakBoxing I don't think you watched fight
@@kam556tr bro did YOU watch the fight?
Nah Helldivers 2 lost me and all my buds with their constant nerfs. Its not a PvP game. They should not nerf anything, let alone buff the enemies on top of making the guns weaker and have less ammo. Just annoying💯
I fucking agree! The guns already were weak minus 2 of them. They nerfed the slugger and rail! Then buffed the enemies!
Pantojas chin won him the fight. He took some straight up clean shots that would have at least wobbled others. I felt like 2/3/4 was Erceg and he gave away the 5th. 3rd was close. So for me Erceg gave it away.
Pantojas forward blitz was neutralised with elbows and uppercuts. His ground game wasn’t a big threat and Steve put himself there multiple times. Steve did the visible damage etc. I just think Steve made some bad mistakes and Pantojas chin held up insanely well.
Erceg won the fifth despite his strategic blunder.
@@nigelmacquillan7211 Future is looking bright. He'll have another crack at the champ, who ever it is at the time.
Your comment kind of proves that Erceg won if you have read the scoring criteria at all. He did the majority of the damage for most of the rounds, including round 5.Pantojas chin did great work, and control time scores for zero.
Completely agree. Pantoja made of granite
Rob you gotta watch that back brother!! Thanks guys!!
Thank you!
appreciate the quick upload
Question:
Rob, what are some signs an opponent has an injury (before or during the fight) that a casual watcher might not see. Are there certain subtle things you notice before you swarm an opponent for a finish?
(Reference, I noticed from watching the Cannonier and Gastelum fights you had a sense for when your headkick got through their defenses before you advanced, and even though the commentary team is ringside, they still can't tell accurately what the biggest shots are.)
They are sore and start limping
Good question I’d be curious too.
@@beetlejews In the recent Jiri fight he was limping, and Rogan was saying 'he cannot walk right now!', but then he went on for multiple rounds. Rogans been watching fights for decades and was ringside and couldn't judge the damage accurately. Clearly a fighter in the cage see's something more nuanced than spectators.
This channel and Jack Slack has become my weekly routine. Love the content, appreciate it very much!
The noise of Rob’s kids in the background resonates to strongly to my household noises 😅
Us fans aren’t tired of the style of control time it’s more how that’s trumping damage these days when that’s literally against the proper scoring criteria. Erceg did the better damage across the fight.
Damnn didn't know you had a mma podcast with Whittaker. Big fan of your fallout videos and love mma too. Subscribed.
id have to watch it back but it didnt feel like a robbery live , felt like a close fight . still think they need to change the socring tho takedowns should be there own reward like defence is
@DarrenReddix-jw6hx still did more damage than pantoja being a wet blanket so he won the round
Erceg had great distance management and timing which pieced Pantoja up and was a great counter to pantoja’s chaotic swarms and scrambles. Erceg deserved the W
Its kinda hilarious how Rob's kids are basically guest starring for the last handful of episodes with all the hollering they do in the background.
Regarding the Helldiver stuff, not only is there a high potential that people will lose access to a game they paid for if they're from specific regions but they might be victims of cyberattacks because Sony has a terrible track record when it comes to their cybersecurity.
Question for Rob! Hey Rob, I was at your last fight with Paulo Costa, great job! I was wondering if you could describe the feelings you got while walking out to an arena of people cheering you on, but also facing a tough killer like Costa? Have the nerves changed after so many other fights? Thanks!
Erceg's corner had him lost all the first 3 rounds. That was strange. I had him won 2nd amd 4th rounds going to 5th which he lost it at the end.
Damn forgot that these got switched to Sundays. I’ve been up all night with a boys night, watched the card, played some games, had some fun.
Look forward to giving this episode a watch after I’m able to get some sleep, interested to hear y’all’s take on Steve getting robbed.
Rob is such a good dad, very wholesome and bittersweet message at the end about his kids sometimes breaking or losing his collectibles. Might be a bit upsetting but at least his kids are having fun!
Pantoja won the 1st, 3rd and the 5th. He was outstruck and out Grappled.
It was his own fault for losing the 5th. That was as stupid as Petrino going for a TD when Smith was hurt.
Rob, Johnny is starting his mma career and you are in charge of facilitating his training, how do you devise his training? Going more striking/grappling focused? Striking wise you setting him up with boxing, karate, kickboxing or muay thai? Grappling are you having him favour wrestling, jiu jitsu or BJJ?
The holding him up from boxing can be very true. GSP wanted to box Oscar De La Hoya when he had been retired for years but his contract with the UFC was preventing him from doing it.
He even asked for permission to get released and they declined it.
I love you guys, so watching the beginning of this cast is for that love cause it was a lot nothing.
It’s absolutely insane that judges seem to be the only ones who can’t read the scoring criteria.
Fights like Dricus and Sean are close fights that would be tough to score- damage went both ways. No one can tell me that Pantoja out-damaged Steve in any round other than 1.
I was rooting for Pantoja but those Erceg elbows that cut Pantoja were huge. Everyone’s been talking about damage being the criteria for winning and it did feel like Erceg landed the bigger shots.
I had it 2-2 going into the 5th, Steve going for that takedown and losing position and letting Pantoja control him that last minute made me give the 5th round to Pantoja. I don't see how anyone gives him a third round.
I had it
Round 1: Pantoja
Round 2: Erceg
Round 3: Pantoja
Round 4: Erceg
Round 5: Pantoja
So calling it a robbery is a bit ridiculous as hell. I have no bias for one or the other, just wanted a good fight. Which is what we got last night for the belt, good fight. The right person won the fight, Erceg showed he has championship heart. Had Erceg not went for that takedown in the 5th round, I would have said he won that last round. But him getting reversed and controlled for the last 90 seconds of the 5th round. Made him lose a close fight, he'll look back at the moment and regret not just keeping it on the feet in that moment.
Will we be able to see it when do this bg3 play through you promised.
Ufc judging is a complete joke. Anytime it goes to the judges you know its a 50/50 coin flip. Its a fight not a hugging match. No way Pantoja won that fight with zero damage done. That judge that scored it 49-46 should be fired.
Another great podcast
the controversy comes from the lack of consistency in the implementation of the scoring criteria. If control time was deemed important according to the scoring criteria, no one would have a problem. Damage trumps all. Control time only matters if everything else is dead even (which it was not). 3-2 Erceg or 4-1 Erceg. Pantoja could only realistically get round 1 and 3 (3 being a swing round). 5 was close but pantoja didnt do much with the control time and the takedowns were actually ercegs takedowns. Also Ercegs cutting elbow in the 5th seals round 5.
Hi guys. Question for both of you, what changes and/or new features are you hoping for in TES6?
MMA wise, do yall really not want a 195lb and 220lb (super middle weight, cruiser weight)?
Im your height and reach but heavy set, no way im ever getting to 84kg, even 93kg is a stretch but youve got 6.4ft, 80inch reach monsters in there that would probably be better suited to cruiserweight.
Also, who in your experience is more ellusive and technical between izzy and wonderboy? And which of them wins if their weight reach and height were even?
Honest question for Rob, how hard is it to really tell how well you are doing in a fight? With Erceg taking down Pantoja after getting success on the feet, is it just to difficult for sme guys to tell when they are hurting their opponents?
When an aussies fighting im so proud. Steve and Jack are both MAJOR problems in their divisions. Perth represent!
Question for Rob and Jonny, if you can combine 2 different games into 1, what would it be?
For me, I’d love to have the gothic atmosphere and combat system from Bloodborne combined with the world, quest design and story from The Witcher 3.
Dear Mr Knuckles and Mr Wanderer.
This episode was stellar as always!
Question: What game would you like to be an NPC type character in, and what game you definitely wouldn't want to be one?
Are you guys going to play the new Souls like game, No Rest for the Wicked? It's in Early Access, but it's amazing. I think Rob would love it.
Isn't DAMAGE the most important criteria? So the controversy might be that the judges aren't scoring according to the criteria??
Not a robbery pantoja did enough. In a rematch I dont see pantoja winning
Clip some of the interesting viewer questions into separate videos/shorts. A good one would be both of your anime recommendations
What game have you both spent the most time on you believe (if you haven't answered that already)
I've asked this question before, but I forgot an important part. So, I'll ask it again. ROB! Are you going to play No Rest for the Wicked? It's a Souls like game, but done as a Diablo style ARPG. It plays like a Souls game, VERY punishing and based on the weapon you use more than anything else. But it's a top down, Diablo style view and has loot like a Diablo game. If it's somehow flying under your radar, GIVE IT A CRACK!
lets go mmarcade
I really like Pantoja, he seems like a stand-up guy and represents the sport with honor. That being said… Steve won. His championship reign should’ve just started.
Jose Aldo is stupid fast for a 37 year old bantamweight. I think he could beat Chito again, if they fought tomorrow. What a legend.
I work Sunday mornings, so I’m loving this new time slot for the show! Not to mention, I feel like you beat everyone else to the punch.
What a soy why to speak. The host speaks the same too. Be a man and speak your actual mind. It was a robbery and Pantoja is boring asf. It’s damage based rules, not holding based. So Rob needs to pull his head in too.
32:32 Cannonier is fighting Imavov apparently
Please play BG3 together. Rob doing his thing and pissing off Jonny would be hilarious to watch
The way Robert talkin abt BG3 makes it sound like he’d go ham on any of the Fallouts 🤣
Erceg had Pantoja walking backwards the whole fight. Dude must’ve moonwalked 2km. Not once did Pantoja do anything that caused any stress or struggle to Erceg. Erceg had the pressure, the damage, everything.
Respect to Rob for continuing to record the podcast while being in the Jurassic Park.
Hope he survived, praying for him. 🙏
Canonnier has a fight scheduled with Imavov
Stop with the aussie bias in the comments, Erceg did not do enough to take the belt simple as
I bet you also think Reyes didn't do enough to beat Jones.
Erceg fought a good fight! If you think he did deserved to win, you’re completely biased. BEST case scenario it was 2 to 2 going into the fifth and Pantoja CLEARLY won the 5th
Hey guys podcast question here, have you guys ever played sea of theives?
I hate seeing all this argument for control time. Damage is the number one criteria that is to be judged before anything else. That is literally just how the current set of rules say fights need to be judged. Damage above all. Damage decides fights. I get why people would want control to be worth more, but it isn't weighted the same under the current rules if you don't do something with it (i.e. damage or sub attempts). Control time and takedowns only come into play if there was no clear damage done to one fighter over over the other. Competitive fight, but because of the damage done and sig strikes landed, this was not in any way close. Clear robbery.
I have played Fallout 4 extensively damn near 10 times.. I finally tried survival mode cause of robs thoughts on it. Man, what a breath of fresh air and anger it's brought to my life.. Can't wait to see you mop chamzat in June!
Rob's tangents are excellent, it turns out he has plenty to say, when he's not furiously holding back. He's very sensible and fair, has a dry sense of humour... free the tangents!
18:24 to clear the confusion. Jose himself said that he was offered a fight on the Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson card. He still had one fight remaining on his UFC contract which means he would have to bring the boxing contract to the UFC and they would have to approve of it and probably even take a cut. I think the UFC doesn’t like when contracted fighters box. That was one of the issues Francis had with the UFC.
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Rob and Jonny, if you could bring any anime rival and/or ally into real life, who would you choose?
Criteria refresh because it changed years ago and it seems like alot of people haven't clued on yet
1 effective striking/grappling
2 effective aggression
3 octagon control
Keep in mind we don't use the lower tiers unless the above teirs are exactly the same not close exact
Take downs and control time are not considered effective grappling only backtakes,mount,sub attempts and anything that inflicts damage
This should be common knowledge amongst the fans,commentator's,coach's and fighter's
Erceg won that fight 4-1
Its common knowledge that fighters cant box if they are still owing UFC a fight.
Same with Rob, hes been in the game for so long and in the conversation i was shock to find out hes only 33 🤯
The kids screaming in the background and the deep sigh... 🤣🤣
Was that robs kids having a war with eachother in the background at about 55: minutes ? Hahaha
Pls stream when u play video games. U could prob get sponsors and ur chill enough that I’d watch a full playthrough of an rpg.
Just stream on CZcams it helps the channel so much. I’m subbed to u but it’s barely in my recommendations bcz the lack of volume.
It’s silly not to stream tbh
A friend and I beat bg3 on honor mode and the gnoll vs zhentarim battle was like the number 1 fight I was worried about ending the run
I stand corrected .
I'm in the joe rogan camp of "if you don't like being controlled in the grappling then do something about it"
🙏
Rob raising his finger for a wee break is hilarious..
Viewer question : Rob at any point in the journey of your career did you have any moments that made you think it was never gonna work out in the persuit of your dream?
Rob: I didn't really watch the fight
Also Rob : I think pantoja did enough.
C'mon man
S/o to Rob . He’s a straight shooter 💯
Drakus does the same thing he looks tired, but he isn’t. He keeps going and he does the same thing
A few of those Jonny’s… not going home hahahahhahahhah
Boys Aldo been boxing… several fights now.
UFC gave him their blessing
Erceg 100% won that fight caused way more damage the entire time. Rob saying Pantoja won the first 3 is insane to me lol there's no way he lost that second round.
Its an MMA competetion, not a bleeding competition.
@@callumadams3663 its a fight and damage is literally the entire purpose
It was literally 2-2 going into the 5th. Not sure what the fuck your saying
@callumadams3663 read the scoring criteria, cuddles shouldn't win fights.
@@stambo1983 not cuddling though is it ?? its high level mixed martial arts grappling. If erceg wanted the fight on the feet he should have out grappled pantoja to put the fight on the feet.
Steve put on a great perfomance, he didnt get robbed, elbow and stand up damage was great but he should not have shot on pantoja. he got controlled on the ground for like 6 minutes over 25 . Pantoja had his back for minutes upon minutes over multiple rounds. Erceg put up an incredible fight but he did not win the fight . Erceg vs Kai Kara next is the one to make
More content plz
PlayStation needs to get right, we don’t stand for corporate bullying today like that
Steven Erceg also made terrible decisions trying to take Pantoa down when he was moving Pantoja back. It was inexperience for sure. He will come back and be a champ
Reallly thought steve won 2,3,4 watching it live will have to rewatch and score it again properly. Regardless it was a helluva showing from him. Aldo coming back and winning really made my day.
I was just thinking when Pantoja would get a takedown after getting lit up by a combo and winning that round in the judges eyes. Well if ddp can win a championship with takedowns and a few shots off the side of the head while behind on numbers takedowns seem to change a judges perspective even if the opponent was getting lit up before the takedown.
Damage outweighs control without advancing unless it’s someone they want to lose. Erceg won that scrap 😩 feel for him man
I thought Steve did enough to win but it was close. Overall Steve should end up champ in the future
Going off the back of devs copping massive backlash from gamers, have you guys seen or heard about the same type of situation going on at escape from takarov? And if so what's your guys take/opinions?
Also I think this is the best gaming podcast there is on spotify. I've listened to all the pods on the too 10 charts and it honestly feels like they bought their spot, they dont even talk proper gaming.