The "Will" of the Oratrice & Divine Judgement (Genshin Impact 4.0 Lore, Theory, & Speculation)
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- Spoilers for 4.0 Fontaine Archon Quest and also kinda requires knowledge of the Melusine WQ, the Narzissenkreuz Adventure Team WQ, and the Book of Revealing WQ.
MAJOR TINFOIL THEORIES AHEAD! I have once again somehow made this about King Irmin and I'm not sorry. He is now the "Cyan King"!
I know 4.1 is just around the corner and may potentially decimate all my ideas and theories, but I couldn't help myself. I'm all over the place with this one. Topics include: the Oratrice and how it works, Childe's guilty verdict, Alain Guillotin and annihilation reactions, King Deshret's technology, primal energy, the "will" of Khvarena and Abyssal energy, Divine Nails, the Chasm, Legend of the Shattered Halberd, seelies, Princess Fischl, King Irmin of Khaenri'ah, Irminsul, and random thoughts on Neuvillette. You've been warned. Major speculation and "creativity"!
(edit: I forgot to mention that Bloo on Twit/Hoyolab helped inspire this: www.hoyolab.com/article/21263724)
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
00:40 The Oratrice
02:52 Annihilation
06:57 The Will
11:04 Divine Halberds
16:14 King Irmin
20:52 Closing Thoughts
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✨ Flowers for Princess Fischl: • Khaenri’ah & the Etern...
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the cyan king my beloved
I love how you unite a lot of the different regions lore, soon you will recreate the World Formula and become as unhinged as Rene!
Cyan is a directly reverse color of red (scarlet) color btw.
I agree that Childe was given a guilty verdict by the Oratrice because of the taint of the Abyss within him. I also love the whole Cyan theory because with all the pieces shown it makes so much sense!
The Primordial sea, Fontaine's curse and the presence of Neuvillete are really intriguing, especially with the recent quests. Is Neuvillette the human incarnation of the Hydro Sovereign, whose heart was the primordial sea (I think)? Is his presence in Fontaine doing something to bring the prediction come about? And where does Childe's dream about a whale and a vast primordial sea come into play? There's so many new bits of info that have come out it's interesting to see the theories people have about how they fit together.
After his teaser that just released, I think it's pretty safe to say that he's the Hydro Sovereign
i have something to add! yelan's bracelet could also be arkhium then, it's kinda cyan-ish, creates triquetras, is described as jade, and takes on hydro like neuvillette does. her shot arrows are also unique in that a charged shot with the triquetra effect looks like a blue four pointed star in the distance.
And Yelan explicitly says her bracelet is not part of the kit of powers she got with her vision, it's a magical artifact of her people, same magic she used while creating the "opposing reaction" with Xiao. Also it struck me as odd that a simple hydro arrow could drop a divine nail, but if it was infused with primal energy thanks to her spellcasting, now that's a different story altogether.
19:51 yeah, and by this logic is why I am on the opinion that Neuvi is both a dragon and a human. The fact that he takes form as a human changes the essence of him as a dragon, and this is something he prob isn't settled with yet.
After all, the Narzissenkreuz Adventure Team members were based of memories of the story-teller regarding the humans. The nature of water in Tevyat is to reflect, as has been established time and time again, most recently the Veluriyam Mirage.
Your thought checks out with the example of Zhongli as another dragon-turned-human as well. Imo, his story deliberately takes time to show how his attitude changed when he abandoned the dragon form for good, and that he himself acknowledges it and is making effort to adapt to the change. Neuvilette’s situation is playing along this pattern as well. (Yep, I do realize Zhongli is not the same type of “being a dragon” as Neuvilette, but still, all that time of vibing in a Rex Lapis form _got_ to have had some influence on his mind)
I am not even sure that he remember his past memory if he is reincarnation of hydro dragon.
There are also a lot of hints that he is a male Melusine
National Olympics Committee representative overseeing Mental Gymnastics here. And I award thee with a Gold Medal. Your performance was spectacular.
wanted to let you know i really appreciate subtitles in your vids! lore is already not easy to follow and english isn't my first language AND a lot of the names ingame can be confusing without texts with how incosistent pronounciation in english is lol... this was a very fun vid too, thank you so much!
thanks so much! I want to see if I can go back and add them to more recent videos, but that may be difficult, but going forward I'll definitely keep including them.
It'd be very weird to me if the big fat Odin reference (that Irmin/Sinner is) turns out to be a dragon.
Fafnir did kinda become a dragon because of old one-eye's dedication to avoiding honestly paying him and his dad for provided labor, but thematically they're very different people driven by different things.
Odin being a very curious guy more than willing to sacrifice himself (literally) and others for more secret knowledge also fits the king of Khaenriah, so I presume hoyo is following the structure of these myths somewhat rather than just using the names.
I wonder if Irmin only became "The Sinner" after staging the Cataclysm as a sacrifice event of sorts (and pledging the souls of his people to the abyss), which is why Clothar doesn't just immediately recognise him.
That'd also imply that the abyss rather than Celestia is the true source of the curse. Being near the nail loosens the abyssal grip on the afflicted souls and "giving in" to the curse by fully embracing the Abyss fully removes the suffering it causes.
But the nails were sent down to get rid of the forbidden knowledge. And the nails purify the forbidden knowledge, as seen in the Cataclysm. As far as we know, the nails are only meant to take care of forbidden knowledge and not abyssal power. Also when the Abyss lector went near the nail it didn't seem to affect him at all(I think hilichurls and Abyss mages/lector are very different. Also you will notice that the ones trying to find a final resting place do not include mages or lectors). So wouldn't the fact that the hilichurls go to the nails to find peace instead mean that their bodies are wracked with forbidden knowledge? I believe that the reason mages and lectors can talk in a language we understand and get special powers is because they have submitted themselves to the Abyss, which is what I believe Caribert did and made him "better"
It is everything spirits are based on memories. Memories are used by Irminsul to rebirth beings possibly because the world ended and everything is based on recollections of how the world used to be. That means that there can be multiple versions of the "same" thing. Since memory collections can exist opposite from each other. This is the reason why there are "evil" gods as well as a good version. It is based on what the people felt about gods at the time. Genshin makes no distinction between dream and reality or "spirit" liquid or solid. Heavily inspired by the idea of dualism as well as the original state of the world existing in a collective consciousness there are repeated attempts by humans to mimic this idea without success. According to dualism the soul can exist without the body, but the body cannot exist without the soul. This means that Genshin sees a body of a being as a form of prison and is likely the first sin that humans committed.
I really love how you deliver all the information and make it into awesome theory / speculation. Cant wait for 4.1 archon quest and world quest to see whether or not this all speculation has merit or not. Amazing video btw, as always 🍡🍡
cant wait for you to talk about Remuria civilisation, God King Remus and Dragon Prince Scylla
Giving the energy reaction part , that seem to be link with dilsolving primordial water in some way .
I think you're on the right track linking it all to "primordial energy" and the prevalence of cyan implying primordial things, as "Genshin" can be translated as "Primordial God(s)." Seems to me that as the game progresses and more lore is dropped, we're slowly approaching the knot where everything we've learned so far gets connected.
Honestly one of the most fun things to do in genshin is color matching and losing your marbles over rabbit holes
Gold metal awarded for best mental gymnastics, but in all seriousness you raise some good points especially about our most fair Iudex
About objects having a will. Remember one quest in the chasm about a miner's daughter? The wish granting capabilities of the divine nail? The ability of the nail to manifest its will as the ghost of the miner's daughter... yeah... those damn things might well be sentient
This might be wrong, but I always thought that the "missing" original divine nail that hit the Apep era Sumeru is actually under the main pyramid of Deshret (the Mausoleum). Since if you got to the bottom of it, you see a chasm that you "die" when you fell into but if you look into the depths it is indeed glowing cyan a.k.a divine nail color.
I think it would be a cool idea that Deshret discovered this nail and built a freaking Pyramid over it to study it away from the "watchful eyes" in the sky, eventually creating his cyan glowing machines.
I LOVE THIS, LET HER COOK!
I'm always looking forward to your lore theories!
I liked that you don't make unfounded speculations, stretching it to absurdity, unlike other lore theorists I used to watch but had to stop coz I can't stomach it 😔
So long as you have basis, keep cooking! You give warning beforehand so keep your unhinged theories coming!
LESS GO LORE MOM HAW UPLOADED 🎉🎉
This fits so well with your old theory about shattered halbert book: being nails and Khanriah taking one. (I still don’t know how to spell Khanriah so don’t snipe me..)
Maybe the energy from the nail couldn’t work for them because they didn’t have the god and they were out of bounds of Teyvat like Enka. Because they failed to use it gold probably figured that Abyssal power could since they were underground and way “closer” to the abyss (at least in my head) and honestly, to me, this just means that Khanriah indeed did take nail from Tsurumi island after the Ruin guards failed to take nail from Dragonspine due to low temperatures, it would also make sense why they wanted Before sun and moon, it wasn’t to prove that Celestia is ruled by fakes but maybe rather to try and research how Celestial power (aka glowing blue/cyan energy) works opposed to the abyssal one..
Yeah, i am sold on this one, great work as always 🙏🏻
LET THEM COOK. I’ve been waiting for a video on this. You have delivered. Some crazy theories but I think the overall analysis of the oratrices functions and source power was such a cool and sensible explanation. This was a very fun watch
When this is all laid out and confirmed in the archon quest many years down the line after kaenrieah (or maybe even just after Fontaine), and if any of your theories were proven true plzzz make another vid just going through these old vids and seeing what was confirmed from your crackpot theories cause I would love to see the amount of info that genshins background lore was able to provide to assist in foreshadowing the future plot
I'd be THRILLED with even a singular W looool but maybe some things will end up being kinda sorta ish correct!
There is one thing I want to say about this … very amazing video! Seriously, awesome to watch and listen to.
At 13:50, you mention Seelie’s being Cyan, just like the others, plus they can align to other elements. This brings up a rather interesting observation about the Seelies who are aligned to the elements, so far we’ve seen Warming, Electro, Dendro, and Light Seelie’s, plus the Mini-Seelie’s that we keep as a floating companion (not Paimon, but at the same time, she is also suspiciously Seelie-like but that is a whole other discussion, just don’t mind the fact that Mini Seelie’s and Paimon’s idle animations are very similar.)
Getting back to the topic, Seelie’s are a colorful bunch, but why exactly are they so colorful? We usually only see one color be the main symbol for one elemental power or the such, or at the very least it shows us that a being can manipulate the said elemental power.
Slimes can manipulate the elements that they become infused with, this infusion usually only happens when they are around an abundance of the said element, and so far we’ve only seen Slimes being infused with the 7 Main Elements.
For Seelie’s, they don’t need an abundance of Elements, we see this with Dragonspine and Chasm, where instead of an abundance of something influencing them, there is a lack of something that the Seelie’s make up for. Warmth and Light. (This opens up the interesting notion that despite being red, the Warming Seelie is indeed not a Pyro Seelie.) Despite losing their form and memories and many other things, Seelie’s still can hold together enough thought to manifest something from their current forms … and that is a very interesting thing to think about.
Now … another interesting thing to think about are the Electro Seelie’s, their manifestation of Electro changes their form and their Seelie Court. Considering how in the Nation of Electro, being applied with Electro helps the character out, tells us that Seelie’s self-manifested into Electro Seelie’s for this reason, plus various other Exploration/Puzzle reasons. The interesting observation here is that Seelie’s can also change the shape of their courts if so required.
From these observations, we can come to the conclusion that at the very basis of Seelie Powers, they all instinctively know how to Self-Manifest.
This also explains how the Goddess of Flowers was able to keep her shape and why she ended up dying when she told Deshret everything he wanted to know, but also raises the question of Why didn’t the other Seelie’s do the same? They all have the same power, but perhaps not the same mastery of said power? And if they have the Powers of Manifestation at their very core … then what exactly caused them to lose their shape? Manifestation is their specialty, what could possibly overpower that???
Now I was never able to test this out myself, but apparently Dendro Seelie’s resist the Withering Effect … the implications of this is also extensive, and also suggests that the thing that doomed the Seelie Race was not Forbidden Knowledge. (With that being said, Forbidden Knowledge might still have the capacity to hurt them, it just wouldn’t of been the key ingredient to wiping out their race.)
And … that is currently all I can think of. The Mini Seelie’s are also … very interesting, but the lore they imply may involve the fact that as a Race, Seelie’s are … born … obviously, and that Adult Seelie’s have Courts, but not Children Seelie’s, and that Children Seelie’s do not hold complete mastery of Manifestation, but they still posses the power at the very least.
(…….. Everyday, Paimon gets more and more suspiciously Seelie-like … wait a minute … Seelie’s look a bit like balloons, don’t they?)
ohhh, super good points about seelies! And regarding how so many seelies lost their form, my first thought was that it has to do with the curse that Arama spoke of? The one where they were cursed if they loved a human. But then that alone leads to even more questions...
Also I LOVE the idea that to the Melusine (or at least Canotila) Paimon is a Mini Seelie with omni-element coloration??
@@roozeveltfox I’ve made another rather interesting observation, but this one just hurts my head because … if it’s right, what does it mean for Paimon???
Strings that go beyond the sky … we see these strings before … they are the strings that appear above Ley Line Trees in domains, and they have a crown attached to them … just like Paimon … I’m half tempted to just enter a coma and wake up when Paimon Lore is officially released.
@@roozeveltfoxand to add something here too: wasnt Venti also a Seelie before and changed then his shape to look like his old friend (if i remember correctly). This lets me wonder if he can change his from back and if this could be important...
@@friendlyfellowfromspace7287 Venti simply said that he is a mere tiny elemental being, not a Seelie, or more accurately, a "formless wind spirit." By the time of the rebellion 2,600 years ago, he had taken the form of a wisp-like creature and was referred to as "the elf." Heck, we actually know nothing about all of the archon's background and identity, with the exception of Nahida and Rukkhadevata. Zhongli, for example, called his dragon body simply his "exuvia" and hinted that he does have a "true appearance."
8:42 I'm getting EVEN crazier! And I am defending "Tartaglia" on this one!
I love the idea of pure energy having a will of its own. And having the propensity to evolve!
We have seen it before with Vishaps, they are noted as being pure elemental being with the nature to evolve too!
For example, some Vishaps are just normal creatures that can absorb elements. Some are more knowledgeable and can communicate like Azdaha. And finally Sumi who is pretty much all human aside from her eyes.
Now here's where I get REALLY REALLY crazy!
What if its not just a "Will of Abyss", what if its actually the will of a BEING residing inside Childe! And its using him as a host/vehicle to escape from where it was in. Childe is borrowing it's power, because its residing in him. Remember the concept of Melusine's being able to "see what normal people cant see"? What if the Oratrice also has this ability, but especially for Abyssal energy?
So what if the Oratrice was able to see this other energy inside Childe, this other being with a will of its own, and it was able to figure out that it DID have a connection to the disappearance cases???
tl;dr What if there are 2 beings inside Tartaglia. Childe himself and then this Abyssal being. And the Abyssal being is the one who got the Guilty verdict?
Thank you for another thought provoking video. You raise some interesting possibilities. Looking forward to the next video!
Now hear me out:
We know that, when he was a teen, Childe fell into a bottomless abyss, right?
We also know that our next explorable sub region will be the remains of the fontanian research institute, right?
Now go look at said area. Looks familiar? The mostly disjointed floating structures, the broken pieces of bridges, the floating pillars...
We also know that they were researching some type of antigravity device.
Now look up in the sky, towards that big map hole between fontaine and monstadt: that's Celestia, right?
Mmmm actually I'm starting to think it's not.
First of all, when you look at "Celestia" what you see are literally random pieces of land with some buildings on it. If this was indeed the highest tier place for deities, made by the most powerful gods, wouldn't you think they would do a better job at it? And why does it need to have hanging pieces of land beneath it? It could literally be just floating roads and buildings.
What I think actually happened is, the giant floating water cubes are just the edges of the explosion. The center of the explosion was where the big black map hole is. And the explosion was so strong, it literally dug a chunk of land out of the continent and threw it in the sky. This, coupled with the anti gravity tech they were developing, created a small floating piece of land. We will probably see the huge hole beneath it when the map is unlocked east from Fontaine. And maybe that's the bottomless pit Childe fell into.
This would also explain why Fontaine is thinking about making rockets to fly to "Celestia": they probably want to get back to the blasted pieces of land since it most likely hosts valuables/old precious Fontainian tech. I don't think they would so reckless if that thing was indeed Celestia: invading the house of the gods seems like a declaration of war.
Since day one, looking at "Celestia" I always thought to myself "that can't be it".
Thing it's even slightly tilted.
I can't believe gods would be fine with such a shambled looking place.
Either that, or it was abandoned centuries ago.
In any case, Fontaine is sus to say the least.
Noticed how it never, ever rains besides story bits?
Set your ingame time at night and teleport to other regions. Look at the sky. See how dark blue it is? Now do it in Fontaine. It's almost daylight there, in comparison. And no, it's not due to the elevation. I tried on the highest peak of the desert (higher than Fontaine's great lake) and the sky is dark blue.
Ps. What are Enkanomiya's ruins doing in Fontaine? (western side of elynas' island, into a cave. Look at the walls. That's enkanomiya's style)
The Cyan King !!! 😂 I just love this! Even if your theories are sort of unhinged, I did learn some things about the lore so thanks for that. Also isn't the seal that Neuvillette uses related to Primordial forms like we find it all over the ruins and under the element cubes ...
Oh I actually forgot that the same source that made me crack about Alain making the Oratrice had the word Lord Nevile along with it.
That would have helped my argument the other day.
my favorite youtuber back at it again!!!
I know I'm way late to this video, but you might read this. I've been saying since very early on that Leyline energy is unaligned elemental energy. The different elements are like different wavelengths of the Leyline energy, which may be more accurately called elemental energy, primordial energy, or light. Whatever you call it, we learn through the quests in Inazuma, and especially Sumeru, that these energies store memories. When the energy is used, the memories are lost, and when memories are gathered, so too is elemental energy. This may explain why substantial elemental power always seems to come with a form of consciousness.
While I don't think it's strictly followed in the world of the game, Cyan seems to be generally associated with spirits and soul, which explains why unaligned elemental energy often is cyan colored. However, I also think pure elemental energy is often represented with a golden light which is what I think the twins are wielding in the fight with Asmoday, and if you look for it, you can also find it everywhere throughout the story of Genshin.
I love you, Rooz! Your sense of humour is so sweet and your way of spreading out your theories is unparalleled 🎉
Salute for the Olympic level mental gymnastic, this is why I am here every time! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
the way u talk the way u lay things out its truly awesome!! big hollywood movie type shit
how tf u do this game even more interesting like that lmao everything makes sense tho its actually crazy 💯💯
lets keep on studying on that primordial cyan color scheme👨🏾🔬👨🏾🔬👨🏾🔬
Regarding objects having wills, I feel like Genshin has repeatedly visited that topic: Albedo/Albe2 being artificial, The Wanderer's entire storyline, Hanyuuda Chizuru (Inazuma's youkai lady from that event), Shiki Taishou and the other shikigami, etc.
great videos, please keep giving us the cool theories
I’m obsessed as always but really want to compliment you on your editing, I lost it at the “Aliens” dude and appreciate that I haven’t ever watched a video of yours and not laughed at least once. The humor is much appreciated amongst all the awesome ideas 😂
omg, thank you so much! It's an ABSOLUTE honor to be noticed by such a lore theorist as yourself. And I did spend extra time experimenting with editing on this one (since I figured a lot of it was kinda crack anyway, so less pressure / lower stakes ha). So your praise means so much 🥹
ohmygof she talking about legend of the shattered halberd again *crowd cheers*
19:45 the symbol reminds me of the symbol found on the "fragmented accessory" from the three realms event in Enkanomiya (its also the symbol of the "Aphotic Diffusial" quest). Thus I think that the triquetra isn’t inherently a celestial exclusive symbol.
you're right! I agree, and I think some of my ideas were lost in the cutting and editing and adding and cutting.... but basically I'm questioning if seelies are TRULY celestial in origin. If that makes sense. 😅 Especially since Enka seems to be a 'fragment' of the unified civilization, but seems more connected to dragons and snakes than seelies. Idk, just spitballin!
Amazing. I will have to watch everything again so I can understand something. But still amazing.
This makes me think the purple crystal on Dainsleif last archon quest also linked with abyssal power that gain a will or sentience. It can be abyssal power acumulated or fragmen from a being/thing that's so powerful.
Maybe in the end, both (celestial and abyssal) power can have sentience if they are densed enough??? Like from the beginning Teyvat already has its own law, life and death, the cyan and purple energy used to be balanced. Primordial one maybe crack this balance (by using the celestial resource maybe?) so Nibelung had to use the 'abyss' power (that one Deshret seek???) to counter him
Can’t wait for a Khanerian to be a playable character curious what their abilities will be.
I love your videos!
Another theory!! Let's go!!
I recently found your channel and binged all your videos while foaming at the mouth bc you've managed to connect so many lore questions and theories I've been thinking about in such an articulate and interesting way ! This video in particular is so interesting bc I've been thinking a lot lately about Fischl and also the ramifications of the connections between Sumeru and Fontaine 🤔Looking forward to more of your theories~! Also, what is the track at 20:00 ? I can't put my finger on which region it's from ;0;
omg thank you so much! i feel like since ive only been doing this rather recently the quality is... highly variable doing back ehehahah. I'm literally ALWAYS thinking about Fischl. The track at 20:00 is "Vestige of Dahri" - this is a unique track constrained to the 1) rainforest ruin golem area but also 2) when apep is talking to us!
King Deshret is such a cool non playable character.
The part about THE will kinda jumped started something in my brain, Inazuma and Sumeru archon's quests both have a moment where the will of the people is super important for traveler to move foward. Those two moments being the fight with Raiden and the one with scaramouche (both puppets? humans vs puppets confirmed????). I don't know where this leads but it kinda fits with the themes.
YES i also don't know exactly how it fits, but the themes!!!
I love mental gymnastics like these :D
Divine Halberds being weapons and beings, reminds me of the Divine Keys. Those were weapons forged from the cores of the Herrscher. And though the Herrscher themselves were gone, their consciousnesses (or some form of them) were still inside the Herrscher cores. Herrscher cores look a lot like the glowing stone inside the Celestial Nails, but in different colors.
Yes, I like this level of Crack theory + the video was fun as hell. I'ma subscribe
3:57 okay, you got me there with Candace.
13:56 Seelies are cyan colored, except warming seelies in Dragonspine and there is also a bunch of pretty white seelies in Chasm Underground. Especially the second ones are interesting as they don't match any of known elements.
17:00 I don't see any connection between king Irmin and Irminsul by their name in chinese original of the game or any of its translations except English. Neither by sounds of these names, nor by meaning of the words. So I believe this is just a coincidence, an artifact of translation rather than intentional match. The only thing suggesting otherwise is the choice of Irminsul as the name of the tree since correct translation of the original name would be Yggdrasil. But I find it hard to believe this connection would be even known to translators early on in the game when these names were established so to me it's much more likely translators just did not like the sound of Yggdrasil and used Irminsul as next similar thing instead.
The translation issue is an interesting point because the difference between CN and EN is odd. There have certainly a lot of goofs in translation before, but the translators do get direction - and I'd think they'd certainly get specific instruction about Irminsul, ESPECIALLY because it's early on in the game and foundational to the lore. To me it wouldn't make sense for the translators to land on Irminsul when Irmin (which seems consistent across all languages) was also already in the game during 1.0/1.1. It seems too important to be coincidental.
But translation issues aside, Legend of the Shattered Halberd says that Irmin (not Irminsul) connected the nine worlds, which is what Yggdrasil does, so...
An amazing video that had me hooked on it and not wanting it to end! As I was watching this though all I could think about was Visions and their "will" they seem to have, could this be connected as well? Perhaps as Childe's "it" awakens inside him it is causing his vision some sort of distress, or perhaps it is simply reacting to the abyssal power inside him? I feel like there are stretches with this theory that could be made about how Visions are created and how they function. I would love to hear your thoughts on this :)
Thank you so much! Hmm, I'm just spitballin, but based on what I've said, maybe the will of the abyss is growing stronger for some reason and it's overtaking his own ambition (or will)? With his vision specifically I've heard a lot of interesting ideas about Fontaine/hydro sensitivity/primordial water/etc too, so I'm not sure! Buuuut I would be partial to this idea :)
Nice theories, not as so far-fetched as you'd think. Subscribed for good quality!
King Irmin is the primordial one. He made human
FIRST. LETS GO CANT WAIT IM HERE ON TIME FOR ONCE
Prior to the release of the 4.0 archon quest I really thought Neuvillette was an oceanid
And his coat tails in his animations look like oceanid wings to me + furina has smaller ones visible on the back of her dress
The discussion in the ann’s quest about if an oceanid could be a dragon + the whole “water can take any shape” thing makes me wonder if Neuvillettes dragon form would look similar to an oceanid
Crackpot theories aside... If the german word 'verurteilung' is anything like 'veroordeling' in dutch... then the Prinzessin der Verurteilung would mean 'Princess of Condemnation/Sentencing' instead of judgement. In dutch at least, the word is purely meant negatively.
Given she's the Princess of Condemnation in LotSH, it probably does have more of a 'condemnation/sentencing' connotation, as opposed to 'justice', I guess
I also had the same doubt about the age of the characters and the start of the Serial Disappearences Case.
Like, why did Furina accuse Lyney of being the prime suspect, besides what happened on stage? Like, how old is he? That stuff started happening 20 years ago, was he even alive? Same for Childe who was probably a...child. That didn't make sense to me. And it was weird that its wasn't brought up in the quests, haha!
I think Furina just accused Lyney as prime suspect because someone make Lyney look like as perpetrator. Most likely Marvel.
@@chrisanonym3473 At first I thought she was just excited and jumped to conclusions but...That'd be like accusing a teen for a crime that happend 30 years ago. And not even Neuvilette touched on the topic like, and nothing on the case mentioned it as well.
But I guess I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and maybe she was just excited or something.
Holly molly this theory was so good ? The hints and clues are there we just need to know how to connect them properly and I do believe you are not that far from the truth. We will have to wait and see.
Also did you get the "Wings of Merciful, Wrathful Waters" already ? Cause oh boy...
The Fontaine wings? Has it been long enough fro reputation we can get them in-game now?? 👁👄👁
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Think they were put in as soon as 4.0 dropped.
Great theory
cool video i am too lazy to do the quests 😓
furina "judjing all other gods" seems like maybe shes doing something conected to celestias work? i havent watched the whole video yet will update if i happen to develop aditional braincels
Agree on all, except annihilation. For my eyes, annihilation energy is more greenish than DN/Oratrice/Deshret machine/Seele glow.
Weirdly, I always thought Deshret's was sliiightly more greenish than the nail (or the Nail is more true-cyan-blue?), but if the whole "Arkhe being derivative of Deshret, Deshret being derivative of the Nail" is a thing, maybe it's related to how far removed it is from the source. Idk though, but that's the problem with color matching 😅
I'm just waiting for this quest to finally give some conclusive evidence on the nature of the abyss, because that will really be the key to understanding it all. I think the golden energy or pneuma is quite obviously the "will" of humans or something similar, and for the oratrice to create this "primal energy" it will harvest this idea of justice from people. But I'm still just so confused on abyss and otherworldy energy. And would the oratrice actually be holding something abyssal inside of it for the other half of the annihilation? Or is abyssal similar in nature to guilt or negative ideas or something? That could potentially make the oratrice create annihilation reactions whenever someone guilty is present OR whenever someone possessing abyssal energy is present. That would perfectly explain childe's judgement. His abyssal powers being unstable also seemed to create negative emotions within him.
sorry for incoherent text I just haven't fully formed my thoughts on this yet
ALSO I just remembered the abyssal dragons were very clearly stated to be feeling positive emotions and it seems like people of teyvat and abyssal creatures will perceive negative and positive ideas as opposites. But they will be able to understand each other through communication. I think that really represents the annihiliation reaction and the resulting cyan energy that is able to purify the abyss WITHOUT requiring additional positive energy, like the nails. It represents sort of harmony or mutual understanding.
Purina transferred the "wiser" part of her consciousness to the Oratrice. The Purina we've met is just the dumb shell that remained.
And Cyan being one of the colors that represents anemo 🧍🏽♀️
I remember the Oceanid saying water can take any shape. So a shape of a seelie or dragon is possible
Hehehe I enjoyed this one, delicious crack!
What if the name "The Primordial One" is accidental wordplay? Like, the people of Teyvat talk about "that one dude" but it was actually "that one thing, that became many things" (coughThePrimordialSeacoughTHECYANSEACOUGH)
Also did you call the citizens of Fontaine the FRONCE asdfghjjkl 😂😂😂
Bit of a different idea but related. In Brandon Sanderson’s extended universe of the Cosmere, there is this idea of divine power known as Investiture. Investiture is everywhere and depending on where you get it it has an Intent.
In small quantities this divine power is simply a power source for the magic system in that area. However, in greater and greater quantities, investiture can take on sentience and have a mind and will of its own. That mind is still influenced by the original Intent of the investiture that makes it up, but it still has a mind of its own.
Not sure how related it truly is, but it’s an interesting similarity that enough focused energy can bloom into its own being
ooo, that's interesting! Thanks for pointing that out, that's neat!!
My thought is that the machine in opera epiclesse is powered by the gnosis
Crack thought; perhaps Celestia is taking energy from Teyvat with this annihilation reaction stuff.
That's actually an angle I was thinking about going for, but I already had so much going on in the video I didn't lol. Yeah, basically, I was wondering/thinking that all this cyan energy is autochthonous to Teyvat's planet, may be the dragon king's power, and PO/HP/Celestia descended and took it as their own after conquering. Neat to think about!
"Why cant seelies be dragons if they're all seaslugs anyway" - best line lmao
I think you should expand the divine nail lore further, if you want to base the connection of everything on the color cyan.
- Leyline is actually a variant of cyan, albeit it's also light indigo-ish? You mentioned the connection with memory in your Shattered Halberd vid and also here, but you didn't expound on them.
- Crystal Chunk is cyan, and is the same spectrum as the seelie.
- Magical Crystal Chunk is blue, but they said it is eroded by energy of ley lines. As such, it needs resin (which is crescent moon)
- Divine Nail's cyan is more blue than the other cyans, actually. But same blue as irminsul.
Does anyone even know who accused Childe of being the culprit in the first place? I feel like I’m the only one trying to figure it out or mention it but when Furina accused the magic dude, she had to be present and provide her own side of the story. However, when Navia got to the court nobody was there and it was just Childe getting accused, and the person who informed Navia didn’t give a name.
I just noticed that Venti's original form is very cyan based so as the tips of his braids which makes me wonder if he too poses primal energy considering that there is an established conection between venti & istaroth and well istaroth herself is a shade of the primordial one
Further tinfoil hat time to tie in from me watching a bunch of lore videos. I’m basically making my own follow-up reasonings and predictions focusing on arke, the primordial sea, the prophecy, the sovereigns, the whale, Childe, Parsifal, and Skirk
Somehow the primordial sea when touched is able to discern Fontaine heritage. It has been said that Fontaine characters each have their own arke types, and so what if the primordial sea contains concentrations of both pneuma and ouisa energy that when enough comes into contact with a Fontainian’s arke is what triggers an annihilation reaction, dissolving them?
The prophecy said something like the first sin is the fairest and that every Fontaine is born with sin, and so being born with an arke type as the sin in question would make sense. To tie this back biblically it could be a ‘mark of cane’ equivalent.
Now youtuber PoisonVision has a great video about the Sovereigns and talks about the Leviathan relating to Neuvilette’s line release in his drip. They also found I believe it was a Russian folktale that described a sea serpent as being a whale and having swallowed an entire sea. Maybe the primordial sea? Now going over to Childe, this could be the whale he saw, dragons can be whales now I guess, and this dragon could be one of the seven original sovereigns. Conversely, talk of Scylla from Remuria times said I think that it was sealed in the dark sea/potentially down in the abyss/void realm, and so maybe Childe got infected with the energy/will/entity of Scylla? But the greek myth of Scylla is also interesting bc a god wanted to save the nymph but the person they asked was jealous and gave them a drink that instead turned them into a monster. So next we go connect this to the Parsifal lore that Ashikai made a video about with Mondstadt lore connections. And Parsifal comes with the blue-eyed witch who was his girlfriend at one point. Ashikai said that the witch was also known to share a body (two consciences) I believe with a sister (also similar to a HI3 character I think) and that there is a spell to transfer consciences/transform beings. Now further over fo Childe’s bloodlust and sudden personality shift upon his return from the abyss may be a competing consciousness he can’t articulate (he says he is in an inexplicable foul mood which could be the other consciousness mad at Fontaine). And Parsifal apparently died at sea from a sea monster/Kraken, but maybe ex-girlfriend saved Parsifal’s consciousness somehow and idk if the timelines match up but maybe Parsifals’s conscienceness was first transferred to a vishap/water dragon as Scylla but the spell turned his consciousness monstrous? Then when Scylla was sealed down in the abyss/void/whatever Skirk transferred Parsifals’s consciousness again (or at least a part of it) into maybe what she considered a more stable body (Ajax/Childe as a human when he fell in at 14 instead of a vishap). That would then explain why Skirk trained Childe since he had the consciousness bits of her ex, so a but more beholden/attached to train him. And this second transfer (of tge whole or part of a consciousness) could have also made the Parsifal consciousness a different kind of monstrous, bloodthirsty which was indeed a huge departure from Ajax’s original personality. Ajax’s personality of contradictions could indeed be two different consciousnesses (Ajax being the sweet one with kids, Parsifal/Scylla’s the bloodlusty unhinged one). Skirk did tell Childe that he had ‘it’ on him, but that doesn’t necessarily preclude that she WASN’T the one that put it there hahaha
*takes a deep breath* theorizing is so much fun, thanks to everyone that made it this far.
I still can’t reconcile the ‘tainted’ water of Fontaine, how it affected the creation of oceanids/eidelons, how it is making Childe’s vision act up (going off the annihilation reaction of abyssal versus divine energy repelling, some people are calling it abyssal puberty which I find hysterical), and what the hell kind of entity Neuvillette is (especially with his Melusine connections) but that is what I’m continuing to ponder.
Love, a neurodivergent Genshin fan that has made Childe their newesthyperfixation/special interest.
Great video! I am a little weary of the idea of Neuvilette being just a dragon after 4.1 trailer, because it's somehow too simple and hinted in a such almost heavy-handed manner. Because the final reveal would then be so anticlimactic lol. I too was thinking about that dialogue about dragons and oceanids and hope there will be something more complicated about him.
I know I said very casually "yeah yeah he's a dragon" but given the context of everything I said after that, I do wonder if and what twists they'll add to his character. I'm excited!!! We've had speculations of dragon, oceanid, seelie, otter... watch him be a Flatcrest Fulmar (the big blue bird in Fontaine, i think that's its name) 😭
If Neuvillette turn out not to be dragon, it would feel like betrayal. I mean after all this time Mihoyo hype the character. Of course, nothing can stop Mihoyo if that's the direction they are going to go. Sooner or later, fans will accept it and move on. But it will ruined Neuvillette character moving forward.
There is a connection between one's will, memory, and elemental powers. (actually will and memory has a more similar meaning?)
Take a vision for example, it forms out of someone's strong will and gives elemental power to its wielder. Also, the moment you take the vision away (ref. Inazuma Vision Hunt) the wielder loses part of their memory related to their will. In this way, people's memory, which holds their will is transformed into energy.
There is also a bigger picture, the Irminsul. The tree holds all the memory of the world, and distributes elemental powers through its branches or roots? (i forgot which is which). Curioys where that elemental powers come from no?
Anyways I might be wrong, but yah I just remembered about Inazuma
The opposing forces does provide some credence however. What does Scarlet (Red) and Cyan (Blue) make. Purple/Violet. The colour of the Abyss. It up to somethin' season. Scarlet King vs the Cyan King.
BIG SPOILERS BELOW!!
If you have Neuvillette and go to his voiceover "feeling about ascension: conclusion", he will tell you he now "reclaimed one of the seven authorities" and is now a "fully fledged dragon, powerful enough to judge other gods and the usurper-king in the heavens". This might be big leak/oversight on Hoyoverse part, heavily implying that Furina will give/he will obtain the Hydro gnosis and get his full power back. (In the 4.1 story he claims he can't solve the primordial sea issue without his full power, also implying this to be the case)
You do Gymnastics? Cool if that’s true I used to do Marching band when I was in high school back in the day.
ALL HAIL THE CYAN KING
Yayyy!!!
Looking back on all the major phenomena in the story from the beginning, being able to identify "Gold", "Purple", and "Cyan", really, REALLY seems to connect a lot of dots. Now that we have decent names if not placeholders for gold and purple (Pneuma and Ousia respectively), I wonder what the name of cyan energy would be (besides Indemnitium? unless?), if we attribute "Annihilation" to its creation (ironic as it is to say)
Would that imply that all Abyssal energy is essentially Ousia, and that Celestial energy is Pneuma? Did King Deshret discover Ousia energy, and was it the same energy that Childe carries in him? Do the current Ousia-aligned characters have ties to the Abyss? Are the traveler twins aligned with Pneuma and Ousia, and is their inevitable reunion going to create some sort of event akin to Annihilation?? Are Fischl and Kaeya part dragon, hiding their matching revelatory eyes behind eyepatches??????
Sorry if this made zero sense I've got the caffeine jitters and this crack you're serving is delicioussss >:3c
Hi roosevelt! In this line of thought, what do you think King Irmin's sickness was? He got sick and was replaced by the counsel right before the cataclysm, could it be forbidden knowledge? Abissal Power? Irminsul corruption?
I don't know what it's in CN or other languages, but iirc he's alwasy been vaguely described as "his strength failing" or he was "indisposed." I've always assumed it was Forbidden Knowledge (and we do know that Irminsul had a FK problem during the cataclysm)!
I think it's pretty obvious that Oraticre(or however it's spelled) aka Judge AI is made out of Furina.
I think she used power of the gnosis to split her consciousness into 2 beings.
1. Human Furina,
2. God Furina
God Furina is the one that's inside Oratirice with the gnosis. I imagine that she is sort of a conduit for people's faith in the archon/justice. Converting their beliefs into energy.
Blew my mind
OKAY so this is based on pretty much nothing and has very little to do with the video but you got me thinking about a Neo-human Childe. One of the reasons that Scaramouche was often sent to do Abyss expeditions was because he's a puppet so the abyss wouldn't have affected him. Yes, not everywhere in the abyss is toxic to humans (Enkanomiya is in the abyss and humans lived there fine enough) but a normal 14yr old boy falling into the abyss AND developing a psychic link between him and some cosmic whale (or whatever the "it" really is) can't be something all humans are capable of.
Furthermore, Skirk was able to teach this boy Foul Legacy within 3 months. He didn't have a vision (maybe) or a delusion yet, how did he learn something that powerful, that quickly? The foul legacy transformation also looks a whole lot like abyss lectors/heralds. Jakob is a neo-human who turned into an abyss lector...hmmmm. Maybe there's some common ancestor these neo-humans share that gave them this gene much like how pure Khaenri'ahns spawned from a single bloodline. Maybe the "Sinner" has something to do with these neo-humans since Chlothar first encountered a lector randomly in the chasm. MAYBE all abysslings started as neo-humans and the more they were exposed to abyssal energy, the stronger their power grew thus gaining the ability to transform.
Sooooo back to Ajax/Childe/Tartaglia, if any of my insane ramblings is right, he has the neo-human gene that allowed him to gain a link to whatever being he woke up. The three months he spent in the abyss allowed for his dormant powers to grow and Skirk was able to teach him Foul legacy with ease. Also also idk where to put this but the fact that he got a SCRATCH on Neuvillette the HYDRO DRAGON SOVEREIGN is craazy. That joke voiceline between the traveller and Paimon about how Tartaglia could take 3 hits of the musou no hitotachi doesn't look like much of a joke anymore. I refuse to believe he's a regular human.
Alright I'm done now. I put the crack away lol. This is a fun theory. Crazy how so much can be linked to Cyan King even if it's a little crack. Can't wait for the next theory about where he's actually the primordial one lol.
btw "Fonch" is hilarious
OMG YAYY
In dehyas story quest domain we actuly use pnuema and ousia
no but... it makes sense
Great Olympic level mental gymnastics!
by the way I wanted to ask if you knew what the kids estella, olivier and manet who are downstairs by lyneys house going about some "the hearth in your home has been burning brightly I see. my hearth is strong, and the fire wood sufficient etc " meant, is this like a riddle or some sort of hint about the stuff going on in the house of hearth?
All the theories are welcomed, talking about the oratrice sentience or consciousness i just want to point out 3 things: 1.The Hydro archon is the justice Archon as such should be fierce and powerful to enable or dictate justice 2. Furina so far seems to be an actress 3. Lynney said he heard a woman on the oratrices room. From this and how Furinas is kinda beggin mercy i just think that the Archon is actually powering or smth the oratrice and acting Archon is just putting up a facade either that or Furina is the archon and shes totally useless as a warrior lol.
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Wait, so if primal energy is the result of 2 opposing energies (celestial and abyss), how do the celestial nails still oppose tbe abyss? Essentially, that would mean celestial energy and abyssal energy result in celestial energy, which doesn't make any sense. Arkhe annihilation results in a neutral energy, right?
Admittedly that part wasn't explained explicitly, mostly because it's very unclear. IMHO it's not "celestial" energy, it's primal energy, so perhaps it's easier to think of it as "uncorrupted" vs. "corrupted." And I'd say the main difference between the energy of the Nails / that swirly cyan boy in the Gaokerena vs Arkhe reactions is that it's energy with a "Will." I think the "will" part is the key to opposing the abyss - the energy alone doesn't cause an annihilation with the abyss.
Sorry if that makes no sense. I could be completely off base with all this, too. 🤷♀
The majestic SCARLET KING
and the goofy ahh cyan king
was listening to the audio but not watching the video cuz I was playing the game but I kept getting confused as to why you kept referring to things as scion or the scion king. Turns out you were saying cyan. That was confusing
LOOOOL im so sorry haha I guess "scion" has been used more in genshin than "cyan" ....
03:10 You mean a “Cyno” Glow haha 😂
You mean the “Cyno” King ;3
wow i'm hella early
what about the cerulean or azure king?
Dammmn, "Azure King" sounds AWESOME. I'm gonna cope with the fact I didn't think of a cool name like this by saying that Azure is uh.... too blue. (I'm coping)